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Pretty novice at this BS. Is ML a million? and if so is that good? what are we looking to close at?
is that good or bad?
Anyone forcast a high for today?
what does this mean?
I coupled my statement with the words no offense. as in I ment no offense. I do my DD on stocks not members of this board. I call it like I see it and for that feel no shame. so once again NO OFFENSE but let's all enjoy this rally BoA is giving us! up nearly 4%!!
Can but doesn't? serious?
now that we have that out of the way. Any thoughts on tomorrow?
bad for all banks, still an equal playing field
again all I see is speculation. A lot of "coulds" and "mays". come on now. And if all the big players got downgraded we still have a level playing field it seems. Doesn't seem like BoA has a problem with loans. They get it from the gov.
NO offense but you seem to be tryin to drive this stock down? I'm going to assume you came up short on youe shorts? A credit downgrading is nothing but a grading. I got a B in economics but a stronger portfolio then my professors... Just a grading. It should have scared investors away but at this price BoA is a steal for the long. Seems to me you have no intention on this board but to try to drive the market down. Anyone on this board already knows about the downgrade and you keep rubbing in our faces as if to try to help this thing drop...
so does the selling of their credit accounts to the canadians equal a good thing? I'm ignorant at this level of investing. I'm hoping this will have one more up day. I couldn't bring myself to sell for a profit of 40 dollars. Anyone else see this going up again tomorrow? After hours trading the stock is up... Anyone have opinions about tomorrow? No dooms day scenarios about how the company is going under it damn sure isn't going to do that tomorrow imo. Anyone have actual thoughts on what tomorrow should bring?
I was planning on dumping after grabbing 1 or 2% over 5.50 just in case it drops I can get in at a lower price
Are we looking at major sell off tomorrow or continuing trend?
WTFudge is up with this? BAC is up nearly 6 percent when I leave the house to run errand I return and it's only around 2.5%. Is this thing moving or not?
Come BAC my flying machine going up she goes, up she goes... :) 5.52%
I just wanted to make sure I was on the same page as some other people. Just to clarify... They did get bailed out once and they already paid back the government right?
I'm about $200 from initial investment. I bought in at 5.50 but I see us pusing 5% up. I'm just hoping it is a very bouncy stock that is still dragging down. I feel the company should at least be around 6 a share but all speculation that is scaring the market
Is this a second chance to get out or are we looking prospective on getting over 5.50? Seems to me the sell offs we've seen were panic investors trying to cut losses. No suprise it fell sharply after a bounce play.
I've been a holder of thi stock for a couple years now. I bought $1000 dollars worth at .05 a share. Since then they have r\s so many times I can't even count which has left me with 1 "one" share of this stock. My question is this. Is it possible for my stock value to be worth the $1,000 I put in? For those of you holding this position I am sorry to say though this company has potential on paper they are horrible with investor relations and it is my opinion they are using this as a shell. Every now and again you get a few PRs that should drive the price but then no 10q to back their claims.Back to my question, if it is possible what would it require the stock to do?
Good bounce today seems to want to drag down still though. Does anyone see over 5.50?
Incubus is awesome
I agree that this isn't a stock that performs like a penny stock. I feel superman and pennystockinvestor both make valid points. But you both are on complete opposite sides of the spectrum. I feel 8-9 a share is extremely optimistic and 2-4, although realistic is pretty pessimistic. I doubt buffet has 5 bill in a penny stock. He has plans for boa and not just the 6% dividend. He's a politician of sorts and banks are power. Can anyone other then the two complete opposites shed some light on some realistic outcomes for this stock. Monday being a pop isn't what I'm asking. The stocks have been tumbling for over a week and boa is on a multi day , going on multi week drop. A pop tomorrow seems just about right but do we see sustained pps or a pop and drop? I am a news when dealing with this "long term" of investing and am trying to formulate a good exit strategy on my position.
I appreciate the honest opinion. I'm a day trader who grabs a percent or two at a time. I'm out of my comfort zone when I hold a stock more then a week.
Forgive the newbness but does anyone see this breaking 6 at all in the near future?
I hope so thanks for the cheering up
I appreciate the advice. I am a day trader and I saw BAC a quick bounce play but now I am in this multi week downward spiral it seems. I am looking to sell around $6.00. Any idea how long my "day trade" is going to turn into to get this return?
I got in at $5.50 anyone see me making my money back or should I dump if it breaks 5.00?
For all of you newbs that have joined this char listen carfefully. I (myself) have done EXTENSIVE DD onthis company, however much I think this company is good and will eventually return a profit, Charhorse and Nayo are absolutly correct, this company has screwed initial investors such as my self. I've been in this stock for over a year now and with nothing in return but anxious nights of what is supposed to happen and then nothing but prices being driven down. I still hold my shares because I believe it eventually may turn a profit but there is nothing different about this PR from the others. The company has a handful of employees if that and they don't return investor calls. This stock IS however, showing forward movement if you research it from a year ago today. Baby steps, very small ones... Don't expect that ride to the moon, it's far off in my honest opinion. The only thing I see intriguing is that they have someone in charge of investor relaions now, stationed in california if I read correctly. This next week seems hopefully but I will believe it when I see it.
Ok the stock sucks, we get that... Is it worth the close examination we've been putting in? I don't think so, why are still following this company's actions so closely ?
Forward movement, just remember that. This company STILL is showing forward movement. I would have to 100% agree that this company is worth more then it is selling for. Soon it's value will be undeniable if the news holds true. They are progressing as a company and the 10k should have some indication of that.
Anxiously waiting for the 10k
I am only being optimistic. I am 98% sure we got screwed on this one. I am a beginner too and it is discouraging to have gotten screwed this way. This was not a beginner mistake. We were straight lied to and it is unfair. Your hypothesis sounds about right, I wouldn't be suprised if that was what he was doing. Nevertheless, Vital Products, Inc. is the parent company here. Vital bought Den, not the other way around. the only thing I can see happening now is Michael Levine taking our investment money and putting it into a brand new company in a different sector. Any other transfer would require us to still be entitled to it.
Either way I find it hard to believe that is legal for people to screw others the way we may have been. If that is the case I am more PO'ed at the organizations that are supposed to be looking out for us. The SEC mainly is an aid in this kind of criminal activity if that is the case and that is messed up.
Hello all!
I am just as disappointed as all of you. I have lost just about all of my initial investment which was invested given good information. We have been lied to, deceived in some way. If not lied to then we are being withheld of some information. We can continue to post on this board complaining how BS it is or we do something. I am sure there is some legal action we can take to get to the bottom of this, if nothing else atleast figure out what happened. I am not a lawyer and have no knowledge on what to do in this situation. If someone figures out what we can do I will support it because this is not fair what has happened to us.
Secondly, if this is a victim of short selling or any other situation listed in your link then we can only have faith in our original position that the company is viable and good and was worth investing in. A company like Microsoft, when starting out, if it were short sold, it's business results break from that. The company has FINALLY released a name to go along with their phantom cooperations.
Above all, direguarding the stocks performance, the information that has been coming out of the company, although shady, stick indicates forward motion. This company may not sky rocket as we originally thought but I still have confidense it will yield profits. The company could be reporting horrible news but they aren't, they seem optimistic and nothing gives me indication that I don't agree with them given there business model\plan. This may take WAYY longer then we think however, still I have optimism.
Before we didn't have any orders, then we got orders, then we didn't have any company names, now we have a name.
::{{ FORWARD MOTION}}::
i hate to admit it but it does seem like they have us in a check mate. They are following the requirements under the SEC OTC market. If there were something I could do, I would do it but I know of nothing, the dominos are pushed over and we'll have to wait for it to finish knocking the others down...
either way, there is way too much activity for me to capitalise on my investment which is now worth about $40. I would much rather risk loosing my 40 dollars and watch this thing sink like the titanic, tragic, I know. There is enough BS going around this stock to send off red flags that SOMETHING (out of the ordinary) is happening here. To me $40 dollars is worth figuring out. Everything comes full circle and what goes around, comes around. From day one I lost money on this, but it still intrigues me and that says a lot considering how ticked off I am that the SEC allows this kind of BS to happen!
Hello all. We all get screwed on this. I do believe the picture is bigger then we are assuming. Someone is shorting this stock considerably. Not good for the company so why would the company do it? Because they owe oobers amounts of money to loans. They company is waiting for the stock to drop to a target price, how much lower could it go though? They are deliberatly bringing the price down yet the company is still investing in itself with advertising etc. This stock is related to the S&P500 board. I believe after finalizations of acquistions or whatver they are doing because they are keeping us in the dark, there is a huge explosion for this company. This company was "failing 8 months ago" according to most, yet the company is still making an effort to stay alive. Someone knows what most of don't and I see profitability in the long term future. I still hold because reguardlesss my 3k investment is worth 50 dollars now. I flush that away in my toilet... I hold and keep my hopes high. something is going on here that we don't know about and thats enough to keep me hopeful. Otherwise invest in other worthwhile companies and replace your deficit that went to VTPI (liars and tricksters).
we finally agree on something.
I say we blow their effing phone up. Everyone call everyday, every hour on the hour. This is BS!
I'm holding a bunch of others too, but this one has brought me great disappointment. I will hold on to this until the ship sinks to hell. When you learn your lesson learn it right :P
and just stumble upon millions of dollars. ha ha ha :P
0 Volume for at 2:00 P.M. so far is very out of the ordinary. No shares what so ever? I'm taking it as a good sign. Something is happening here...