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C:I've been wondering that same thing. About 1/4 million shares traded since the low was made on 12/21 and the price is about 50% higher...that's accumulation. Who is accumulating stock, and why are they buying, when they know insiders and funding investors are preparing to unload stock? BTW: I talked to Soros, and he's only buying gold, commodities, and Japanese equities, but he does like Cryoport's technology. He wanted me to ask you, if he could use the shipper to transport frozen, stuffed cabbage and Hungarian Goulash, from Budapest to N.Y.
dwalrus:
Don't you wish you could attach a sound file of a toilet flushing?
Whooosh...
It's good to be Larry...
CEO: Thank you, for the explanation, and your knowledgeable insight into this matter.
You got a great deal to worry about. This isn't exactly a vote of confidence for the stock price. If investors and insiders are looking for an exit at these levels, it is alarming to say the least. It means they don't hold much hope of getting out at a higher price, so they are willing to puke here.
All of the shares of common stock offered by this prospectus are being sold by the selling security holders. It is anticipated that the selling security holders will sell these shares of common stock from time to time in one or more transactions, in negotiated transactions or otherwise, at prevailing market prices or at prices otherwise negotiated. We will not receive any proceeds from the sales of shares of common stock by the selling security holders
This kind of non-dilutive type of follow-on offering is when privately held shares are offered for sale by company directors or other insiders (such as venture capitalists) who may be looking to diversify their holdings. Because no new shares are created, the offering is not dilutive to existing shareholders, but the proceeds from the sale do not benefit the company in any way.
DILUTION
We are not selling any of the shares of common stock in this offering. All of the shares sold in this offering will be held by the Selling Security Holders at the time of the sale, so that no dilution will result from the sale of the shares.
Good catch. In the literal sense, I don't believe this was an example of a death spiral, but it might as well as have been...unfortunately.
C:
Wouldn't it be something if Da Mighty Bears met the Slumping Jets, in Super Bowl XLV? Actually, the odds of that happening are better than the odds of Cryoport, even getting into the game, anytime soon.
dwalrus:
Gotta love an overly cynical assessment. Very nice, and perhaps accurate...for the most part. I can't find much to fault in your analysis. Although, I'm not quite sure about the conspiratorial theory you posit. It just might have been business as usual, but anything is possible. Look at Lehman and Bear.
dwalrus:
I'm not saying you're incorrect in your assessment, but would you care to elaborate on what you said?
What was it that finally made your instincts kick in? Was it the 0.04 cent stock price or LS's pathetic conference call? Don't fool yourself again, by thinking LS is a competent CEO, or at least the right guy for this company. If you haven't noticed quite yet, CYRX appears to be negatively correlated with the rest of the markets, and small caps just happen to be leading the way.
This is not only happening under LS's watch, but under his direction. As CEO, he is directly responsible for the company's performance. If the business plan is flawed, it's the CEO's responsibility to correct the problem. If the target market is slow or unwilling to adopt the company's emerging technology, it's up to the CEO to figure out a way to overcome this problem. And, if he is incapable or unqualified to perform these functions, he should be humble enough to admit it, and find someone that is capable of getting the job done.
It is very rare that you find a CEO that possesses all the skills, or is fully qualified to run a company. Most CEOs have certain areas of expertise that they have developed over the years. Bill Gates knew that his expertise was in technology and planning, but not in marketing, so he delegated that responsibility to Steve Ballmer. Competent CEOs possess the vision to develop strategies that will insure a company's success. Furthermore, truly successful CEOs know how to effectively transfer that vision to managers and staffers, who execute the plan and do the work. While the jury may still be out, the evidence suggests that LS is guilty of incompetence in both disciplines.
Actually, I first brought it up 10 months ago. (posts #6149 & #6248) But you got it!
The story of the famous French play, Cyrano De Bergerec, by Edmund Rostand is as follows; A dashing officer of the guard and romantic poet, Cyrano de Bergerac falls in love with his cousin Roxane without her knowing. His one fault in his life, he feels, is his large nose and although it may have been a forming influence in his rapier-sharp wit, he believes that Roxane will reject him. He resorts to writing letters to her on behalf of one of his cadets, Christian, who is also in love with Roxane but just doesn't know how to tell her. She falls for the poetic charm of the letters but believes that they were written by Christian.
While there are numerous themes that run throughout the play, the story line revolves around the plot device of self-promotion by proxy. Ironically, it is not unlike the story of Cryoport (remarkably similar in spelling to “Cyrano”), who is utilizing FedEx to do it’s courting. In the case of “Cyrano”, his love for Roxane, is the message that is trying to be conveyed, and in the case of Cryoport, the message they are trying to spread is their value proposition. Despite moments of fleeting success, Cyrano never attains his goals or realizes his dreams, and dies at the end of the play.Tragically, Roxane comes to know his secret and love him only after he has been mortally wounded and is dying.
Although there has been some sales, Cryoport’s revenue growth could best be described as utterly disappointing. If steps aren’t taken to alter the way they are marketing their product, their story could end as tragically as Cyrano’s. Obviously, the lesson to be learned is; using a substitute is no substitute, for doing it yourself. You must communicate your value proposition and promote your product, directly to the end user. Don’t rely on a proxy to communicate your message, and brand your name. Cryoport needs to have the end user wanting to use FedEx, because FedEx is using the Cryoport Shipper... not the other way around! If the customer realizes that the real value, lies in using the Cryoport’s Shipper, (in addition to the support of FedEx), the customer will enthusiastically endorse Cryoport and spread it’s word. They will also instinctively, be looking to use The Cryoport Shipper, and will be looking to use FedEx, because they use the Cryoport shipper.
Merry Christmas!
jcoukr:
Very good point. The timing of the call is certainly questionable, but I see no reason why it would have been maliciously motivated.
4 more tax loss selling days remain... share price could go even lower, as CYRX is not technically over-sold. Has anyone considered conveying to LS, the fact that investors are disillusioned, or has anyone offered LS, a possible solution to the problem ?
stockdude: Cryoport doesn't need to get the word out to the public. It's not a consumer product - it's a B2B product. They need to get the word out to the end-user. A fundamentally different kind of marketing strategy is required for B2B commercialization, and a fundamentally different kind of approach must be taken, when selling to an early adopter of an emerging technology.
Cryoport cannot rely solely on FedEx to convey their value proposition. Cryoport needs to take a more direct, "hands-on", market-driven approach, in order to get the proper foothold in the market.
dwalrus:
I know it may seem counter-intuitive, but at this point in time, I believe it's more important "to whom" Cryoport is selling to, rather than "how much" they are selling. Cryoport needs a customer that is a "marquee" company within their target market's industry. The bigger the reputation of the company, and the greater the amount of respect this company commands, the more advantageous for Cryoport.
This customer would help spread the Cryoport word, and communicate the benfits of using the Express Shipper, so that other end users would feel compelled to use it. Only in this way will Cryoport's product become accepted as the de facto standard in the frozen shipping space.
LJT: Don't make me laugh! Your last post was a grammatical and syntactical travesty that displayed your obvious lack of a formal education. The words you culled out of the thesaurus, (in what was obliviously a feeble attempt at impressing readers with your prodigious vocabulary), were plugged in with a near total disregard for the context of the sentence. Here's a hint for your future reference. Words that end in "ous", like impecunious are adjectives. Adjectives qualify nouns, and therefore cannot be used in lieu of a noun.
"Listening to LS giving his update is inexplicable. He is totally out of his element and should be removed at once. Seemingly after two years as CEO he seems to be confused and uncertain as to his next step. Assuming the product is market ready, we need someone to make the results match the hype. Nothing happens until someone sells something and we do not seemingly have that individual. Apparently the board is as inimical as LS. While they dither, we will be soon become closer to the state of impecunious."
It is very difficult for a new company with a new technology, to break into an established industry. References and relationships are very important, and existing businesses are concerned with the quality of the product they are buying, the infrastructure of supporting products and system interfaces, and the reliability of the service they are going to get. Ironically, they won't buy from you until you are established, yet you can't get established until they buy from you.
Larry Stambaugh may or may not have been the best choice to take Cryoport to the next level. While he is an experienced CEO and adept at raising capital, he may be lacking the marketing expertise and vision that is necessary to bring an emerging technology to market; or he may still be able to convince Cryoport’s target market, that Cryoport’s technology represents a strategic opportunity.
The one correct step he did take when making a marketing choice, was making a specific market segment commitment. He strategically concentrated his sales effort to the frozen shipping segment and didn’t try to reach into other markets. However his initial target niche within the strategic market segment, may have been too large for the company’s initial foray into it’s marketing campaign.
Established businesses in niche markets tend to be vertically oriented, i.e, these businesses communicate with others like themselves, along industry lines by word-of- mouth. By taking the shotgun approach and trying to appeal to a large, spread-out, FedEx customer base, Larry made it infinitely more difficult to create a word-of mouth effect.
The consequences of being sales-driven at such an early stage in a company’s marketing effort can be disastrous. The sole goal of a company during this stage of it's marketing development is to secure a small but loyal customer base who will adopt and embrace the company’s emerging technology. This kind of end-user sponsorship will allow the company to establish a beachhead within the target market.
By focusing exclusively on achieving a dominant position in one narrowly bounded market segment, Cryoport would be better able to effectively convey it’s message, and establish a perceived market leadership role in the frozen shipping space. They can then move beyond the initial target niche using this an entry point, into a larger segment.
That being said, the one marketing choice Larry shied away from making, was an organic direct sales commitment. His reluctance to adopt a direct sales approach, is probably because it is a very expensive way to sell. Larry may nod in all the right places and say all the right things when it comes to his decision to confine Cryoport’s marketing and distribution channels to the efforts of FedEx, but this may have been a critical error.
Direct sales is arguably the optimal channel for both introducing a new product to a market, and for bringing a cutting-edge product to progressively larger markets. The reason, is that a direct sales force is optimized for creating demand. It can concentrate it's initial efforts on a strategic target market segment, instead of taking a “shotgun” approach. By being committed to focusing exclusively on achieving a dominant position in one or two narrowly bounded market niches, the odds are increased for getting your emerging technology adopted into the mainstream market.
The efficiency of this marketing process is very logical when you think about it. It is simply a function of the size of the adopter market segment. The smaller and more concentrated the market you are trying to reach, and the more direct the approach you take in communicating you value proposition, the easier it will be, and faster it will take, to spread the word, develop a solid base of references, and gain broader market acceptance.
Tonew:
Your thoughts are spot on. On paper, Cryoport appears to satisfy, not only all the criteria for acceptance, of what is an arguably very innovative product, but possesses the kind of product benefit that would call for a rapid penetration into the target market.
On top of having this innovative product, their business model employs an integrated approach for controlling marketing resources and supply chain management, by leveraging the assets of one the premiere freight companies, through it's agreement with FedEx.
On the surface, it would appear that Cryoport has the perfect formula for a successful company. Yet, their sales figures contradicts this assumption. So, why is Cryoport's "disruptive" product having trouble gaining market share?
While there is a defined (5 stage) adoption process for new technologies, the rates of adoption for innovations are determined by the individual's adopter category. There are individuals or individual industries that are willing to take more risk than others, when it comes to adopting new technologies, and there are those that are very traditional, and have an aversion to change. And then there are those groups that lie somewhere in between these two extremes.
Cryoport's target market is a B2B specialized niche market that is being expanded, by encompassing emerging markets into their model. FedEx should have the assets necessary to accomplish this endeavor, but even for a company with the global reach of FedEx, this will take an inordinate amount of time. Combine that with the structural change that Cryoport is attempting to introduce to the frozen shipping space, and you have a very long time horizon until profitability.
In order to facilitate and accelerate the adoption process, it is important that Cryoport /FedEx has the Cryoshipper adopted by a highly respected company within it's target market. This would provide positive reactions, and help communicate the benefits of it's product so that other early adopters/customers would develop an instinctive desire for the shipper.
That being said, there are obviously very important concerns that should be considered due to the extended time-frame involved in this investment. Will Cryoport need another round of financing, and will they be able to raise the necessary capital to stay in business? Is the dilution that is the result of another raise, justify the potential return on investment?
yeah, it's much better when the share price goes down,
sure sign things are looking up, and the future is bright
just wait; you should be ecstatic in another week or so,
when you can load up in the 0.40s...w00t! w00t!, Dude.
I'm not implying you should short the stock; I doubt you would be able to short it, even if that's what you wanted to do. I was just pointing out that RODM had dropped it's bid, and is not aggressively supporting the stock at this point in time. Most likely, they are finished unloading the stock to their retail customers, and they don't feel the need to support the stock anymore.
I was also pointing out that certain market makers, may see this as an opportunity to short the stock because the "support" has moved away. It's what those particular MMs do, and it's purely a technical play. From a valuation standpoint, they might also feel that CYRX is rich at almost 20X revenues, and might short the stock based on that reasoning.
Or...on the positive side they may be short already, and are looking to cover here.
RODM dropped their bid down to 0.45 and the short sellers may seize this opportunity to short the stock. Keep an eye on CHDN and STXG to see if come in on the offer. They also like to work with SSGI, NOBL, and PUMA. They like to short stocks with over valued market caps, and stocks they think are vulnerable to short selling. Or they may be short already, and are looking to knock the SP down, so that they can cover.
If I didn't have 6 kids, and locking myself in my office with my computer wasn't my only refuge and link to a sane world, I wouldn't be posting as much as I do. Personally, I had to give up sparring when I woke up one morning after having sparred with my trainer Miguel, and the bed wouldn't stop spinning. The vertigo lasted for 10 days. The neurologist told me that if I didn't quit sparring, I'd end up like speaking like Freddy Roach, or worse; not speaking.
If the posts on this Board were limited to only "new" information, or events directly related to Cryoport, you would have about one or two posts a quarter. Heck, I would even rather read your posts, than nothing at all..lol.
Walrus: Thanks for the positive comments.
I couldn’t agree with you more in reference to your criticism of censorship. Censorship accomplishes nothing, other than the promotion of ignorance. With all due respect to OT and BBF, those in control often suppress the speech of others in an arbitrary, subjective, and prejudicial manner.
I’ve seen posts on this board that could best be described as inane. They were rambling, incoherent statements, that were borderline incomprehensible, and at no point in time could they have been considered a rational thought. Everybody on the board was somehow dumber for having read them; yet they were not deleted because their message wasn’t something they, didn’t want to hear.
You understand better than anyone, that there are external factors that have an effect on CYRX’s share price; the overall economy and business climate, for example. You understand that if QE2 caused a further debasement of the dollar, it would continue to prolong the dollar carry trade and continue to force “hot money” overseas. If capital is not flowing into the domestic equity market, it’s virtually a moot point if Cryoport starts generating revenues. There won’t be anyone around to buy the stock.
So I write a post on QE2 which explains how a second quantitative easing could affect the economy, market, Cryoport, and CYRX, and it gets summarily dismissed and deleted.. .with extreme prejudice. Once again the promotion of ignorance is duly served by arbitrary censorship. Apparently, it’s much better to have post after post, after post, stating IF only FedEx would generate some sales we would have revenues... because that is what everybody wants to hear.
They certainly don’t want to hear that LS may be incompetent, or consider the possibility that LS is sleazy, and gets kick-backs when he sources capital. Or that last week saw the 29th consecutive outflow from domestic mutual funds and record insider selling. No, it’s much easier to hide-your-head-in-the-sand, and delete and censor posts like that, in favor of hope-and-pray posts.
That's a very lovely sentiment, but I don't believe it is one that is shared by the majority of the CYRX shareholders. I seriously doubt that when your typical CYRX investor looks at his statement and figures out his ROI over the last 5years, 4years, or whatever time-frame it may be, he is comforted by the fact, that at least the doors are still open in Lake Forest.
It's kind of like, if the Jets were 2-8 this year instead of 8-2. Hey, at least they got 2 wins and they are showing up on Sundays to play. It's really not all their fault, because they have had so many injuries and faced a really tough schedule. Or is it just maybe, that the team isn't as good as everyone had envisioned, or maybe the head coach isn't what he was cracked up to be. But look, if they run the table on their remaining games, they will be 8-8 and just maybe, that will be good for a wild card berth. Meanwhile you've been betting on them to win every week and you are getting your ass handed to you. And even though they suck, you continue to bet on them, because if they can just begin to play better, they just might win some games.
Obviously PB had no place running the company, and of course, compared to PB, Larry Stambaugh may appear to be the second coming of Steve Jobs. Unfortunately his performance and especially the SP's performance belies this assumption. The follow-on offering/reverse split was a a total fiasco, and was devastating to the shareholders. It not only happened on Larry's watch, it was orchestrated by Larry. You can defend him all you want, but the results of his actions are plainly evident. Everyone made money on that deal but the shareholders. It was not only mishandled, but there is a very distinct possibility that the shareholders were played and essentially sold down the river.
The company has been blooded(sic), but their(sic)still standing, and in my opinion, stronger then ever. You do realize this is the standard refrain of all investors, whose investments are deep in the hole? That is, along with " at least they are still in business" and "I don't worry about the stock price on a daily basis". Yeah, the company is still in business, and LS and others continue to make mucho dinero and award themselves stock options, while the stockholders continue to get diluted, and the SP continues to deteriorate. I'm sure LS will more than happy to keep cutting deals with PIPE investors, even if it means there will be downward pressure on SP, in an effort to keep this party going.
I am not at liberty to discuss WFWL in a public forum, because the company and it's chairman are the subject of a federal investigation (which is the result of a complaint filed by yours truly). I stopped touting the company when I realized it was a scam. I already apologized to the members of this board, if my recommendations caused them to lose any money.
Like I stated before, I don't risk more than 5-10% of my risk capital on any one trade or investment. I took a 5% hit on the WFWL trade...no biggie. I make a lot of trades and have a lot of investments, not all of them are going to be winners. In fact, my winning trade percentage averages between 70-75% on the app. 2000 trades I make in a month. My investments are usually late stage private equity deals, where most of the business risk has already been mitigated, so my success rate in that space has been higher.
I have never criticized those on this board who might have invested 5-10% of their risk capital CYRX, because the Cryoport story is a compelling one. However, due to the uncertainties of the current economy and the poor success rate of immature companies, I warned them about being fully invested in this company.
On paper Cryoport's business model/plan made sense, but past and present management has fallen far short in the execution of that plan. The former CEO was obviously unqualified to run the company, and while LS appeared to have what it takes to take the company to the next level, he was handcuffed by the recession and credit crunch.
Nevertheless, he mishandled the follow-on offering and reverse split, and further exacerbated the problem by resorting to alternative financing methods that may have led to illegal shorting of the company's stock. Personally, I have questions about LS's integrity, and the possibility of his cutting "back-room" deals with Rodman and others that would be to the detriment of the shareholders.
No matter how you look at it, Cryoport is not where it should be revenue wise, at this point in it's development. The high growth company that it was portrayed to be should be generating $20MM in revenues by now, which would still be less than what was projected by management to investors.
Just because I make a macroeconomic prediction or statement doesn't mean it will come to fruition the very next day, or the next week, or even the next month. Just take a look at how long it took CYRX to reach the lofty heights of 0.07 cents.
Keep your powder dry and wait for events to play out; geopolitical/macro-economic events take time to develop before their effects are finally felt.That's why I recommended options, which allow you the luxury of being able to hold your position for a longer period of time.
Once again , you are taking statements out of context and totally distorting them. Do you really think you are fooling anyone? All people have to do is go over your archive of past posts to see how wrong you've been in reference to everything about this company. It's a compendium of ludicrous assumptions and factually incorrect statements whose only real benefit is to serve as a testament to your near total ignorance of the capital markets, and business.
For the S&P futures 1,204/1,213 is the area where you want to take a shot at fading this bounce 11/18 2010 8:41 PM. Actual high was 1206.00 on 11/21/2010 @ 11:21PM
Walrus: Be very careful chasing the market from the short side, by selling into weakness. Just because the market is breaking hard, doesn't mean it's going to collapse. It could very easily reverse from the 1176 level. 11/23/2010 11.56AM. Actual bottom of the move was 1174.75 on 11/23/2010 @ 11.45AM
If I can call moves 3 days before they occur and recognize bottoms being made within 11 minutes of them forming, I'll take it.
BTW: The 1/2 a brain comment was intended solely for you, and was just a ballpark estimation. Admittedly, after the fact, it may have been overly generous in it's estimation.
I guess you didn't read this post...Walrus: Be very careful chasing the market from the short side, by selling into weakness. Just because the market is breaking hard, doesn't mean it's going to collapse. It could very easily reverse from the 1176 level. The market is still in a trading range and had already broken substantially, in front of today's news.
When markets discount bearish news, it is a sign of bullishness, so I am on-the-lookout for a potential resumption of the intermediate term rally, which would take advantage of a bullish seasonality that comes into play late tomorrow and continues through the X-mas holidays, and includes the Santa Claus rally.
I am sure "O" would agree with me that the aforementioned PIPE funds are exactly what I portrayed them to be. They couldn't give a damn about the company they are funding or the company's share price once they are out of the trade. If it means they have to short the company's stock off-shore to avoid detection/prosecution, in order to make money, then that is exactly what they will do. And do you think this kind of behavior is limited to OTC stocks and the smaller firms? It's not! Goldman and J.P., and other big firms play the game even dirtier with listed stocks and derivatives.
As far as I am concerned; when I am part of a capital raise for a portfolio company, my compensation is 2 and 20. Considering the fact that I am receiving 20% on the back end of the deal, why would I want to force the share price down by shorting the stock when I can buy protection for my position in the options market?
You're pretty hilarious yourself...
Omphalos - Please forgive me. My post was addressed to you, but it was intended for the edification of others on this board. I realize that you are cognizant of the machinations that pervade this industry.
I agree with you. These systemic abuses, perpetrated by the bottom-feeders you make reference to, all the way up to the biggest manipulator of the system and the markets (the Fed), will result in a backlash of historic proportions.
As you stated, these firms have perverted and nearly destroyed the very essence of the capital markets; capital formation and price discovery. Until something is done to restore the integrity and credibility of the markets, the risk will continue to be pervasive.
Omphalos: As CEO explained in his last post, it's all about the volume of deal flow. Don't confuse what these funds do with investing, because that is not their goal.
As I am sure you are aware, the "institutional investors" that baseball fan was so kind enough to provide us with, are all funds whose raison d'etre is to participate in PIPE deals. Along with the investment banking firm (Rodman) that LS chose to underwrite Cryoport's follow on offering, these investment funds are among the biggest whores in the industry.
They are not focused on the fundamentals, current operations, or potential for the future growth of the company they are investing in, rather than technical aspects such as the float, volatility, and volume and liquidity of the company's stock. Most importantly is how the PIPE will be priced (discounted), and if there will be warrants attached to the deal.
As CEO explained, it is the "law of large numbers" at play; it's about doing as many deals as possible with the biggest edge they can negotiate. Whether any of these funds hedged themselves by selling the stock short is open to debate, but as CEO contends, the deal was done at a big enough discount to the current market price, to both make the deal more attractive to investors and to make short selling of the company's stock less attractive. Either way, no matter whether the PIPE is structured to provide price protection to the investors or not, the company's common stockholders are still subject to the risk of significant dilution, and a decline in share price.
Bottom line, is that if a company and it's CEO are willing to commit to financing their company through a PIPE transaction with these kind of funds, then they have desperate capital needs that can't be achieved through more traditional financing, and should be prepared to pay the price.
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Walrus: Be very careful chasing the market from the short side, by selling into weakness. Just because the market is breaking hard, doesn't mean it's going to collapse. It could very easily reverse from the 1176 level. The market is still in a trading range and had already broken substantially, in front of today's news.
When markets discount bearish news, it is a sign of bullishness, so I am on-the-lookout for a potential resumption of the intermediate term rally, which would take advantage of a bullish seasonality that comes into play late tomorrow and continues through the X-mas holidays, and includes the Santa Claus rally.
Keep an eye on the SPX for a close below 1157.00 which would then cast serious doubt about the bulls regaining the upper hand and would pretty much insure lights out for the market. Conversely, a close above 1206.25 would cinch a resumption of the intermediate rally.
It's North Korea, it's Ireland and Europe, it's China, it's QE2, it's all of the above...and it's none of the above. The market is simply no good, or at the very least, over-priced and over-valued; and is adjusting accordingly. Rock on!!!
We're only gonna die for our own arrogance,
that's why we might as well take our time...Sublime
however,
RODM, et al, are only going to be there for so long...
walrus: Relax, watch some football, eat some turduken, and get some of whatever StockDude is smoking and enjoy the holiday.