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Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention. I did get a notice from Ameritrade the other day but didn't open it 'till now. As memory serves the only thing I ever received with ANY connection was a pump mailing (not E-mail) on PPBV. Checked it on a whim and noticed it was Farnsworths ( remember ? Bev. network of Maryland boss, Perrings cohort before he became pres. of GBVS ). Made some inquires even though I wasn't going to invest. Scb and others gave me an earful. Not sure if Sheptycki/Lankford were involved with the boys on that one but it smelled to me anyways. Don't know about any Ameritrade connection to this either.
Both are still on the run since the Bahamian judge kicked Dean free on a time tech. so if they were involved might be a looong time for payback if they were connected to the Ameritrade deal.
I hear of anything that relates to your initial inquiry I'll post it.
Have a good weekend !
Not that I'm aware of Matt. Actually I first learned of it when a poster on another company stock board ( believe it was SMD in '06 ) mentioned to all that they should check out GBVS and a few other comments.
If you'd like I could do some digging but I think ??? in my past checking that Lankfords group did the initial standard pumping BEFORE the fax blast stuff started Wouldn't doubt that fat John was involved too. I do emphasis think ?
Just an FYI - Reskin has his pre sentencing hearing next week and Lindberg gets the gavel on February 28th. This looks like it could easily go into next year before things start wrapping up.
Thank you again for the update. Hope they're able to pinch ALL of those who made out with some cash from the Smanjak caper.
Think a few picked up a little cash to stash away while they were readying themselves for a unwanted vacation from work.
Another dozen indictments or so and I think the Govt. should have the whole mess covered. That is if they're so inclined.
Damn, wish I could add a plane ticket to my Christmas Wish List. What a gift it would make to be able to attend the speech with some select board bro's here. Could have a little fun with some audience Q & A at the end of his speech.
Just thought of a few Christmas presents I'd love to give him.
Hope he gets paid well for his appearance. Hope he has to make a few other appearances here and there in the near future.
NEVER QUIT ! G-damn right.........................
My pleasure Jami. Have a little list established of known investors losses that included what I got from you and Bob. All told at this point somewhere in the neighborhood of 1/2 mil. when you include the GBVS side which as most know I do. IMHO, Change the name of the same game so to speak.
Again: Best to you, yours and Bobs and his this holiday season and let's see what '11 brings as a gift from the government concerning the matter at hand. Maybe in could be delivered by a sleigh being pulled by 11 reindeer. <:o)>
Wonder if " J " and maybe even his 'bro may go down on this one ?
" No longer " think I can guess why.
Hell, this could top 20 if they wanted.
Not to much interest here which I understand but if anyone wants to have some fun they should take a real good look at SIGNATURE STOCK TRANSFER which was the transfer agent for Rudn. If interested google them and see what you can find concerning their last announcement on their company policy.
Guess a bunch thought they had ALL their basis covered ? Soup to nuts so to speak.
Panama ? Fairplay ? and a slew more.
Everywhere you look, filth !
Looks like ten down thus far.
Think it could easily go to 20 IF the govt. wanted it to.
Vista: who are you trying to sh-t here with those posts ?
There's more indicments comming down the pike and a whole can of worms will be opened. GBVS is toast and you know it. The only way GBVS can get a pop in the pps is if enough " penny players like you can pump it " to the unknowing. You should be ashamed of yourself. But like those contained in the article your not.
Now Clark filed an appeal, figures.
I'd give a fancy dinner to find out who CD 1, 2 & 3 are in the Smanjak indictment. Also wonder if it will run into the double-digits when all is said and done ?
Lol : 'Ya probably right. I would suspect he was salting some of his gains away SOMEWHERE thinking his day would come to answer. He had nearly four years of a heads-up on it so maybe there is a few piasters in reserve.
Actually I think he got off with a fair sentence. Would think the Govt. has more dirt in the background to go after him for if he wants to play hardball.
No surprise really but just received information that
George David Gordon filed an appeal on his latest convictions. No doubt it will take years. Wonder if he'll represent himself ?
Phoenix - Sorry, almost forgot.
If you want somebody who posted on this board that " Rudy did nothing wrong " then review the posts of my old friend LOUCHIP.
He likes to show up from time to time, take shots at me and then put the blame on the investors while pretty much exonerating company people. Hell he was just here last month after a long pause in posting. Not sure he'll be back though after the recent announcements.
Uhhhhhh ! Phoenix - suggest you go back and read the posts again. Can't quite figure out where you came up with that opinion of what you apparently believe was suggested in the recent posts. ( IE - " nothing wrong " ).
Don't see anything exculpatory myself. Don't see anyone making direct personal accusations towards any one particular person either. No need to address the legitimacy of the " announcement ", the govt. did that quite nicely for us who you could politely say where doubters.
Think we reached a junction here where we who are actually injured investors and accurately portray ourselves as such can just sit back now and watch our enforcement people do their thing and expose the criminal wrong doing of those who deserve to be exposed.
But just a 'lil fyi, only seeing that it was a post to me. Notice how I like to keep doors open ? Should be obvious, so should why.
Just got a E- from Tulsa stating that Gordon was sentenced to 10 years and Clark 12 ???
This is not the same information I received earlier from another source.
Don't know where the confusion lies but either way anything over a decade is sweet ( and just ).
I'll update if there is a clarification.
Oh those are two GREAT questions upon which I'd love to respond in a IMHO fashion. However discretion prompts me to stay mute.
I'd love to hear their explanation too. Me and a s--t load of others I suspect. Kind'a suspect MAYBE we will eventually IMHO.
Linked ??? - LMAO (not at you), I suspect you can only speculate at this point.
Will quote from a respected old time board buddy of mine.
" Then maybe disclosure is optional as well " .
doesn't address the matter at hand specifically but comically it appears to encompass much of the show.
Oh hell ! maybe they thought they would be bought out and didn't think they would have to address that annoying paperwork.
or ?
or ?
etc.
First: your more than welcome. On the " fund for victims " matter to the best of my knowledge the SEC acts in conjunction with the U.S.AGO REP. who keeps tabs on what the sentencing judge allocates for a victims reimbursement fund. I BELIEVE the SEC can also when settling a complaint civilly (they don't do criminal per se) can seek a specified amount of gains of which a portion MAY be specified for a victims fund.
Far as Long Beach, remember, so far there have only been indictments and a few residual pinches THUS FAR ! 'Till you have convictions either by judge, jury or plea your pretty much S.O.L. because a fund is yet to be established 'cuz no judgement has been made. Besides that you directly lost money with RUNU/RUDN, would say some corporate people would have to be joined, tagged and bagged along with " skippy " and friends in a conspiracy type action that puts them all before the judge and judgement. Does A connect to B ?. Better yet how can A NOT connect to B ?. I'll sit back and watch the show.
Then there's seizable assets to consider. Just for example Def. # 1 spent a good portion of his or her ill gotten gains building a escape tunnel. Then he or she failed to pay all of the bills to the builder and others connected to it being built.
Then the stiffed parties all filed judgements against the tunnel owner. How much is the tunnel worth to the Govt. once those liens are satisfied. Is it worth it ? Just one example.
Try googling your question and I believe there's some sites that may answer your questions far better than I can.
BOL
Cel: The problem as I see it for the Runu/Rudn investors AT THIS POINT is that at present you only have an indictment of a few individuals who are not as of yet " officially joined " to the company itself as far as public knowledge goes. Who knows what tomorrow brings however. Your going to just have to wait and see what fruit gets shaken from the tree and go from there. Should there come a time where company people were PROVEN to have conspired or furthered the criminal act and get convicted for same then you have to wait to see what comes with any sentencing provisions, restitution to a victims fund etc. It will basically be no different than what is going on at present with the conclusion of the Tulsa Cartel Crew.
Not sure exactly what you mean when you refer to the SEC being aware and having some sort of liability ??? The SEC became aware when people brought it to their attention. The reporter most likely didn't have proof positive but just mere suspicion I would say. That means the SEC had to add another investigation to the pile and address it ( investigate it ) as they could. They got an indictment in less than two years. Takes a long time to investigate when that involves identifying and locating targets who avoid you, lawyers who won't let you speak to their clients without them. Establishing paper trails, meetings with prosecutors, grand jury proceedings etc. etc. etc. Two years ? THAT WAS QUICK from my experience I give them a job well done just for that. And remember this was not just a domestic investigation, that alone compounds things 10 fold.
My advice at this point is to just monitor this board from time to time 'less you see something on the news concerning the arrest of a certin person or group somehow attached to the matter at hand.
Either way your in for a longggggggg wait should anything ever come your way due to a court ordered restitution fund.
BAC: IMHO I don't know how they can't. I don't see any way out for the boys. I believe they pretty much painted themselves into a corner and just like the Tulsa boys I think enough will roll over to lessen their own fall and give up the works.
If you step back and look at a historical profile you just have to shake your head. Educated people executed these maneuvers which just amazes me. Sure, I'm pretty sure there was some improvisation along the way but still for Jezuz sake the unbelievable arrogance for them to think they could get away with it. You could connect the dots in the dark. Last weeks news was the key to the safe I believe. Spin it anyway you want and your DNA is still all over it.
Know what Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Jose Feliciano all have in common ? ( besides the obvious ). Even they could see this coming from a mile away.
The whole affair makes me sick ! Plenty of $ to go around for everybody involved and a great beverage destroyed. Some people ask why and my most common answer is " the same reason my male dog licks his privates " " why ? cuz' he can and they could ".
And that is my unofficial opinion. And that I regret.
ACT 1 is now pretty much complete. Few more to be sentenced and the curtain comes down in Tulsa Town.
Just may be the Smanjak indictment is the prelude to act 2. A whole lot of the stage and its scenery just got exposed before the curtain was fully open. The stage lighting is still a tad too low to identify with certainty who the lead actors are at this point but with the gradual illumination of their silhouettes
all in the audiance should be able to identify them soon.
Kind'a sucks when you buy a very expensive ticket to a show that you never wanted to attend.
Matt: received only one in the box at 1551 hrs. Started out with " I've been watching this very - - - ". First Initial from sender matches. Don't know the middle and last so I could use a little confirmation. Would now make sense when connected to your initial post but would like to be sure. Paranoid me read a thousand possibilities into the mover post.
If that was you in my mail box I can only say thank you very much and appreciate such information from someone as knowledgeable as you on such matters. Do intend to read through it again. Initial reaction to content is that it tends to confirm some feelings I've possessed but couldn't refine. Hope by the end of the night some ground work will be laid to derail the comming train.
Very nice gesture if that was yours. If not then I've just made myself look like a total idiot. (nothing new).
PS- SCB asked me to say hello for him and hopes your doing well.
Enjoy it ??? That is to be seen. Am waiting with anticipation of the unknown however. Regardless I appreciate your input whatever that may be to include what I assume is a possible weather forecast. Wise words from a wise man should not go unheeded.
Naturally I'll let you know my thoughts.
Why do I get the feeling I should either go to the mattresses,
prepare to go to the mattresses,
buy a mattress
or start sleeping on the floor ?
That's correct my friend. I'll check it regularly for your E.
Thanx in advance.
Just one more teeny weensy point of interest. I see in the indictment the mention of SIGNATURE STOCK TRANSFER of Plano Texas as the clearing house.
Now don't get me wrong I'm not throwing and dispersions on this company at all. But from what I recall if one were to have contacted this agency for the latest share count of RUNU in the summer of 2008 you were quite uniquely informed by e- mail that
" Effective 7-9-2008 we have been advised that the COMPANY will be disseminating ALL INFORMATION regarding the SHARES OUTSTANDING for RUDY NUTRITION. Please contact the following email - goirish@kquinn.net regarding the shares outstanding or authorized.
Just a coincidence I would think that the FairPlay announcement comes out on May 29th. '08 and a little while later ( 5 weeks or so ) per S.S.T. they were no longer disseminating share count
information, only the company was giving this info. out !
Unique product, unique way of doing business I guess ?
WHAT DO YOU THINK COLO ??????
SCION - BTW - You ever get up to the home of wings, beef on wick, sponge candy etc. you got a plate full of each on me for your attention to this matter.
Hold on there a minute Bob-a-loo....
If you go by the FairPlay announcement (5/29/08) that shows the old A.V.C.G. I/R firm and James Romero ( Investor Relations Contact ). Just going by what I read on the origional announcement. I'm just going by that mind you.
Oh my goodness ! Just read the indictment. One of the announcements was Fairplay International Enterprises LLC.
Where did I see that before ? Ironic it's name is FairPlay isn't it ! Guess I'll just have to google past announcements to refresh my memory.
I'll be right back.
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Alrighty then, found it. Yep .25 PPS one year restriction. 800,000 grand fronted for it.
Hummmmmm, and I quote " WE ARE NOW WELL CAPITALIZED AND POISED TO CAPTURE SIGNIFICANT CONSUMER ATTENTION. WE ARE EXCITED TO EXECUTE OUR MARKETING PLANS, FURTHER OUR EXPANSION, AND CONTINUE TO FULFILL NEW ORDERS ".
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Double hummmmmmm ! Assuming that the indictment is true one could then surmise that not only did the company fail to notify its shareholders of this false announcement, which shows up every time you would do a pps check, but also........ ?
AHHH GIT - I hope you accidently just posted on the wrong board. You got me all cornfuzed with that response (doesn't take much ). Geez, I thought we were board buddies too.
Who b Bruno ?
OK then boys and girls here's the skinny for those sentenced yesterday....
GEORGE DAVID GORDON - 15 years 8 months.
By federal standards he could get 6 months knocked off for good behavior. 1 day for every month served.
+ 3 years supervised probation.
+ the 2.7 million criminal forfeiture
+ criminal forfeiture against both Gordon and Clark both to contribute towards a $ 6.1 million restitution fund.
Also a $ 43.9 million shared criminal forfeiture judgement against the two
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
RICHARD CLARK - 12 years 7 months.
Same federal standards as stated above.
+ 3 years supervised probation.
And their lawyers blame it all on the " FALSE " testimony of Mark Lindberg. :o)
In a just world most defense lawyers could be charged with subordinating perjury. To bad the later is referred to as " good lawyering ".
Why I am shocked beyond belief !!!!!
But I'm kind'a wondering about some other announcements from another p/r outfit too.
Thank you as always for your time.
But if I may ? What do you think about my previous post ? Is my wondering rational ??
Shouldn't somebody in Toon Town have rectified the situation, or maybe they just thought it was too insignificant to address.
You know what I wonder ?
I wonder about the following - " THE INDICTMENT ALLEGES THAT SMANJAK ( AND OTHERES ) OBTAINED MILLIONS OF SHARES OF STOCK IN RUDY NUTRITION ( RUNU & RUDN ) AND THEN " PUMPED " THE STOCK BY ISSUING FALSE AND MISLEADING ' P R E S S R E L E A S E S ' " etc. etc. etc.
False and misleading press releases on both RUNU and RUDN. That's quite a block of time there when you add the transition from one to the other 'till its intentional, oooops, strike that ! eventual demise.
But what I wonder is why didn't the homies jump on these " false press releases " right away ? Must have known about them. After all there was more than one I suspect ? Yet unless memory fails nobody took any steps to inform the investors they were bogus announcements. No warnings, no retractions, no clarifications. Nope, just going along during this period offering " real deals " if you bought a truck load of juice. Free shares too. Just ask the Overland boys how good a deal that was.
Hell you'd think the I/R guy would have been on this right away. But then again maybe he was. Or maybe somehow I just missed someone or ANYONE posting info. about these obviously known FALSE PRESS RELEASES.
Too bad avcg can't be contacted for an explanation. Tried reaching out for one of the former guys but seems he's not interested in speaking with me ? But maybe that's just a miscommunication.
Got an idea about the announcements though. Guess people just have to learn how to play fair in this world 'eh.
Please correct me if you feel I'm off base with my wondering.
OOOOPs ! Almost forgot 'bout Pan American Capital from Vegas.
And thank you again.
Nice to see a little activity being generated here.
Tomorrow should be interesting if the calender still holds.
This just may start to get fun again ?
Jeez: Just wonder if they used the name PAN AMERICAN CAPITAL GROUP as it appeared in Rudy Nutrition's 10-K from 10/14/08 showing that they held 17 million shares ( 7.6 % ) of the outstanding.
Funny, There is a PAN AMERICA CAPITAL GROUP (America not American) that describes itself in its disclaimer as " NOT A NASD LICENSED BROKER " ---- and ---- " WILL NOT PROVIDE ITS SERVICES TO U.S. PERSONS OR RESIDENTS ". Wonder if sometimes people make errors in the recording of selected business names ? Perhaps for a variety of reasons.
Then there is (was) PAN AMERICAN GLOBAL connected to Peter Pintarics (Pres.) which was tied in with HAMPTON BROADSTONE AND OLIVER INC. who had a nice little play going called the HAMPTON BOND PROGRAM 'till the suits caught up with them. Another little gem from out of Tulsa OK. Old Peter went to Naples Fl. where the local news did a very damning article on him.
Then yet there's www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/S-00-0-06-F0o2.pdf (some legal eagles from Tulsa).
Talk about hiding the pea sometimes 'eh ?
Thank you btw - your post just gave me a stiffy better than a double Viagra for a few reasons. Sooooo happy to see the suits connect those dots, thus far !
Kudos to the K and staff.
OOOOPs ! sorry C, can't send private messages 'less you be a paying member. Not enough skin in the game for me to be dishing out more cash on this. Spent almost a grand already on this crusade. Over half a years pension since I first saw the announcement.
Any other means is ok by me should your curiosity get the best of you.
Just a weak theory of mine. Maybe just wishful thinking from a jaded mind that's reading a chapter that will never be written.
BUT just maybe there's a chance that something will come along that will explain why one atty. pled to only one charge ( out of many laid ) and had his sentencing seperated from the others by four months. Experience suggests one good reason but that doesn't necessarily make it so. Did hear that one of the legal eagles hated the other one with a passion though. Could be that it was just in exchange for his cooperation during the trial however. But could just as well be for his ( and maybe Markies ) cooperation on other matters of interest too. Only wish I knew.
Hell I'd even consider the pay to play membership for this board if things got interesting again.
Did I mention YONG to you ? got that from SCB a little while ago.
See what you think if your so inclined.
Best always either way.
COOl !
I'll be in touch soon.
Visitation for the family ? No doubt. But which one ?
'Least no need to bring Halloween costumes this year. Think both will be wearing the same one ( color anyways ) for the foreseeable future. I would think they would be changing colors fairly soon though. Green to orange, red to white, or whatever the transition is from temp. holding to club fed.
The darkest hearts can hide anywhere can't they. Always cut me to the quick when there's no geographical, racial or socioeconomic hindrances. Won't include physiological in cases such as these. This shit comes from the heart and the heads just there to assist.
Matt: Thank you for addressing Short the way you did. Saved me retort time with a similar theme.
NO ! NO ! NO !!! - Lucky never filed suit. I addressed that matter with a few people but believe I already know the answer.
You do to.
TulsaWorld should have an article or two on the sentencing by the end of the week. Friday morn. should be the wrap on at least Clark/Gordon. Please if you get time read it from top to bottom.
The article and all that follows.
Thanks for the tip as usual. Mined if I pass it on to SCB and Gorudy ?
Mediocre garden results this year myself.
Mind if I send you a private message on this board ?
Be well and onward Christian Soldiers.
Hey GIT'. Have no fear I'll be here to the old " fat lady sings " which I've mentioned numerous times before. Happy that a few people still monitor. Get's a little frustrating when your hear alone.
Really something that there were two web-sites dealing with the matter. From what I've been told the BADRUDY site created by GORUDY was the first of its kind in being the most comprehensive data collection base dealing with alleged fraud and sending gathered info. directly to the various government agencies. Damn sad it was necessary.
ACUP - children of Sherman Mazur were on top of that one. Google that name some time and you'll smell the blood. Just amazing when you see the whole play on paper and the improvisation injected when needed to keep the show going. Believe me ACUP was nothing in the overall picture.
Yep! Some of the fck's are going to be wearing " the greens " for some time I suspect. Should know about them on the 29th. Just keep your fingers crossed that maybe it's not over. I can think of a minimum of 6 more who should have to stand before the man ( or woman ) to bring real closure to this case. What a message it would send !!!
The Govt. guys and gals have done a great job thus far. Kev. M from the SEC deserves kudos for his work. If things would have been on the up and up from the start RBI would have easily been a household name and billion dollar company by now. Just think, Coke bought V/WATER for 4.3 billion CASH in '07. What would RBI be
worth today with Revolution/flying colors etc.etc. . - Easier to dump the beverage guys and just concentrate on selling stock and reaping those gains rather than have to put in all those annoying work hours and have to wait for the big payoff.
Think I'll throw out a little tidbit I've been holding. Wasn't insider info. cuz I didn't have my suspicions confirmed on it 'till sometime after the demise. I was curious about the Arcadia Farms expansion ( new wing $ 2 mil. worth ) WHY ? had my private thoughts but then it all came together. Know why ?
Cuz' Arcadia and RBI were going to be ONE. Think about that !
So much more too. Follow your schemes ( ooops, follow your dreams ). Hope you stay tuned.
Koko: I've got a list that shows between GBVS & RUDN over a half a million was lost by either investors I personally know or have personal knowledge of ( names, amounts etc. ).
The two top GBVS guys I'll bet are going down HEAVY. I'm thinking somewhere around 15 or more each.
The others I would think will go for 5 + perhaps due to their cooperation. Reskin deserves at min. 10 in my opinion even though I posted I didn't think he was a culpable as the rest which was a bogus statement. I was hoping to draw out some more info. with that statement but nobody countered it. Reskin was Zinns attorney in the past and Zinn was Lindbers connection with the Bulgarian Sniffex deal. Let them all rot in hell !!!!
12 days and the sentences for Clark/Gordon should be complete. I'll post them soon as I hear and try and get the info. on the others. Remember that Reskins isn't till Jan.
Bunch more as we know still need to get pinched in this CONNECTED series of scams. Keep your fingers crossed that they eventually will. The Govt.s got the keys to that should they decide to open that door.
Glad you still monitor, wish others would also. I don't think this is near completion yet.
Even the article Short-This posted doesn't do justice to the tangled web these and their cohorts in the background spun.
You could play connect the dots for a whole day and still not have a completed picture.