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Get real you guys, no s on martin....lol
http://www.billymartin.com/
OO7,
agreed, Wish we could get the RB BLYM board going, they just won't fix the dam thing after many times I have asked...
OO7,
Good to see sone new posters on this board, my average is at .0003 now. What do you expect pps if get major jeans deal?
I'm thinking .002 minimum
LetHerRun,
Out of interest what is your hope for pps. and out.
tia TTR
LOL,
I like that!, Since I'm from NY.
I see said the blind man, so they need to have some shares in the float to satisfy the SEC?
TTR
We need the average investor who likes what he sees and looks up the company and then buys the stock. With the right news and product it will happen.
JMO
TTR
Didn't get enough volume to move it. In my opinion will need over 1 billion shares traded a day.
Don't know about .01 but .004 is my goal. Just bought another 10 million. With my luck will probably regret it. lol
ttr
LetHerRun,
I guess we just got to let it be. IMO, not the worst news. If it's a good deal we'll get a good run.
TTR
Ok thanks for the inside info.
Also reg D has some limits on how many shares can be sold in a 1 year time. If anyone knows the facts about this please post.
Hope he only did it to retain control of the company, at these prices they could be taken over cheap. If they end up in the float he is a POS!
I agree, the others aren't household names as stated in the last pr...
is this new?
By: willy1_12
06 Jul 2006, 10:34 PM EDT
Msg. 55065 of 55151
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I'm wondering if Phoenix has convertible debentures issued and whether they then consider CD's to not be instititutional long term debt: "Phoenix currently has no institutional related long term debt."
This would explain why the volume is at 8 million and the price hardly budges... the CD holder could be converting his balance (owed to him by PBLS) to shares @.03???
-Willy
USC Cowboy,
I'm still waiting to download this file...
"Download a detailed business summary of our Murphy Sand & Gravel business unit (you must have Adobe Acrobat®), or visit the company’s photo gallery to see Murphy assets in action."
Hope this doesn’t constitute being a whiner, lol, just kidding. I agree with your post…
TTR
Everyone is hoping to get the share structure soon as stated in the previous pr.
"Mr. Alonzo commented further, "We have made the decision to make the full capitalization structure of Phoenix public very soon so as to set shareholders concerns to rest."
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/news.jsp?url=fis_story.asp%3Ftextpath%3DCOMTEX%5Ciw%5C2006%5C06%5C20...
Paul Alonzo
pnew,
Nice post, I agree, but profits would also be good to see. I think we get some movement in pps. The company is certainly undervalued IMO.
59,085,982,872
Quiet,
I think 59 billion sounds good for 2006.
For 2006 we need to add revenues from these recently acquired companies and also presume the construction and gravel business will well outperform 2005.
From Chairman’s Letter
“On May 1, 2006, Phoenix completed the acquisition of three Texas oil and gas field service companies. Sam's Oil Country Inspections Services, Inc., CM Ideal Energy, Inc. and Ideal Energy Directional Drilling Services, Inc. are located in Kilgore, TX. Based on information provided to Phoenix by the sellers, we anticipate these acquisitions to contribute revenues of approximately $11,000,000 and operating profits of $1,900,000 in 2006.
We have also purchased United Soils, Inc. and Earth Products, Inc., located in Michigan and Louisiana, to help in the expansion of our mining and trucking operations.”
Haley,
I must admit, I'm really not sure what will happen tomorrow, this is news most of us longs have expected. If word gets out that a pink exists with great revenue and with great revenue increases from 04 to 05, with spectacular earnings potential for 06 and 07 and beyond, we might see that big gap and a solid run in the pps.
The company has estimated revenues may exceed 1 billion for 06.
I'm in long, good luck to you......
TTR
For the immediate future, our price per share will all depend on the OS and float, when we get some solid information on this we might have another great surprise.
JMO
Thanks asus for the information. I was wondering what the deal was..
I sent him this e-mail today see if I get any response.
Dear Mr. Newton,
I have been a shareholder of BLYM for some time now. I’m not in the habit of attempting to interfere in the day to day operations of businesses I invest in. I usually trust after doing my usual amount of due diligence, the people in charge know what they are doing and have the best interest of the company in mind. I believe that to be the case with Billy Martin’s USA. I do hold a sizeable investment with your company and have been disappointed with the more recent performance of the stock as I’m sure you are also disappointed. When I first invested in Billy Martin’s the share structure was much different than it is today with a float of around 700,000,000. I accepted the increase in the outstanding shares as it was done to increase revenues. I think the share price should be much higher considering the HBO deal and fragrance deals and the deal with a major jeans manufacturer. My concern is with potential investors. If potential investors think you are continuing to dilute the share structure, the share price may never recover. I’m asking you to consider making an announcement that the dilution of the outstanding shares has stopped. This alone will allow the share price to make a substantial recovery. I applaud the deals you have made and the ones I believe we will see soon. A great addition would be to put an end to the dilution in the next pr. Please let me know your thoughts on this matter.
FYI
http://www.leejeans.com/about.asp
"The VF Corporation, Lee Jeans parent company, is the largest publicly held apparel company in the world. It is traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol VFC. The VF Corporation is the parent company to many apparel brands including Lee, Wrangler, Riders, Jantzen, JanSport, Healthtex, and Vanity Fair Intimates. VF is structured under coalitions: the Jeanswear Coalition, the Intimate Apparel Coalition, and the International Coalition. VF Jeanswear consists of the VF jeans brands: Lee (Lee Pipes, Lee Dungarees, Lee Riveted, One True Fit, Lee 1889), Wrangler, Riders, and Rustler."
Quiet,
Thanks for this post, nice to see the information laid out this way..
Just having some fun, I removed the image. Now I really have them guessing..
Funny, I didn't see this?
Also carefully placed debt is not a bad thing, most successful companies have debt..
They know the true numbers, this makes me think that when they are made public, the analysis will be proven correct. I don't think they would have included that if it weren't true. JMO GLTA
Don't think you will ever see that, but who knows, you may loose your entire investment..It's the chance we all take..
If I could buy 1 billion shares at .0002 or 3 I would, I will also be buying on Monday. Great weekend to all.
You have summed it up perfectly!!
This is the person who received the e-mail on RB LFWK board: The e-mail was from Kore to that poster.
By: vincenza93035
27 Jun 2006, 03:48 PM EDT
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I have an email response this morning from KORE that Raging Bull will not let me post . If someone will give me an email to send it to I will be happy to .
Very interesting !
By: joshgets46
27 Jun 2006, 03:49 PM EDT
Msg. 31507 of 31900
(This msg. is a reply to 31505 by vincenza93035.)
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vincenza---try mine joshgets46@aol.com
ThanksBy: joshgets46
27 Jun 2006, 03:57 PM EDT
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That was from Kore to Vincense
Good post from RB...
By: bobbybdb011
29 Jun 2006, 08:25 PM EDT
Msg. 54509 of 54510
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EXCELLENT ARTICLE FOR WHOLE BOARD;
More and more investors are winning the game
nowadays despite all bashers that float through the
Internet that has become part of the game. Floor
traders of market makers often watch CNBC, news
wires and bulletin boards in order to follow the
market during trading session. OTC BB market makers
(MMs) don't use fundamental and technical analysis.
However, what they do realize is a lot of dumb
money does use this newest niche charting or TA
(Technical Analysis) to run a stock either up or
down. To the MMs this is like taking candy from a
baby. Simply they will paint the tape and use
whatever tactic to affect the charting bands. Thus
the public and dumb money they will have eating out
of their hands. Effectively the MMs can show a
strong stock growing weak by manipulating the close
price in order to generate selling volume, delaying
trading time to manipulate trading activities, or
even stalling the ask without honoring orders to
hold a stock price.
MMs follow a simple code of business when making a
market in a stock especially an OTC BB / PS. That is the
level that stocks will seek that yields the most
volume. Now this is very important because they
make money on the volume buying at the bid and
selling at the ask. In other words, by making the
market they are buying low and selling high. Now
smart money adheres to that rule, so do all the
market makers. They could careless whether the
stock is at $22 or at $0.0002. All they care about
is the action thus being able to sell stock at the
offer (The high) and buy stock at the bid (The
low). To increase their profitability, they make
the spread as great as possible on as many shares
as they can especially if the volume falls off.
When they have mostly all "buy" orders, that's not
the price that's going to yield the most volume.
They need both buy and sells to get the maximum
action. Remember, MMs play the volume. If the
volume decreases and there are mostly Buys that
become a one way volume, Buy volume. So what they
do is let the stock run up to a price where it runs
out of steam. They fill all the buy orders there
that they can and then comes the pullback one way
or another naturally or induced. During the pull
back they can buy tons of shares and flip them to
those averaging down or trying to catch the bounce.
At some price, the stock will be relatively stable
and yield the most volume. Now that is the average
price you will see
The average price is the point where a stock seeks
a level where MMs can profit on the most volume.
So during the day that is the price that MMs and
momentum/day traders want to see the stock at. Why?
Because they know the public and dumb money was
chasing the price thing up. Most of the time, the
MMs love a flurry of Market Orders which is a dead
sign of an artificial run or momentum. Merely it
is money in the bank for them. Most get hung in a
momentum or day trade or by the tactics of Market
makers, who are in the business to screw the public
every chance they get. They are merely making the
market liquid is their reasoning.
The market makers have created an added
complication to the OTCBB's /PS chaos of the already
volatile intra-day price movements created by dumb
money, momentum and day-traders. MMs can not relate
to long-term holders in the OTC BB / PS. That makes
absolutely no sense what so ever. They feel a large
percentage of trades in the OTC BB / PS market consist
of short-term or day-trades, MMs merely view the
barrage of buy and sell orders as relatively
neutral to the market. How they figure it is when
the average dumb money buys shares in a company,
the MMs feel or rather know with some certainty it
is very likely that dumb money will want to sell
back those shares relatively quick on the slightest
drop.
Now somewhat comfortable with this logic the MMs
merely short sells into the buying and attempts to
take the stock down in an effort to "shake out" the
weak. Since it is tough to know for sure whether a
move is the beginning of a trend, or a routine
shake out, this type of deception works quite well
for the MMs. What the long-termers do to a stock
is surprise the MMs because instead of falling, the
shorting has no effect and the price goes up. Now
that puts the MM at selling low through shorting
and thus having to buy high in order to cover.
Boy, when this happens, the MMs are not very happy
campers. The investors and traders aren't supposed to
be doing that to them. Now it becomes time to pull
out every trick and tactic in the book in order to
attempt to get a Bear Raid at every dollar/cent mark or
percent from where the stock started. Could be a
fraction of a penny in smaller priced securities.
What MMs do is give you a chance to make a small amount
of money for your momentum and day trading style by
shorting it at these levels and trying to get a bear raid
each time. Each failure is compounding the MMs
short position so they let it go to the next level.
Now come more deliberate tactics MMs use to coerce
Bear Raid or panic selling.
Once the MM is caught short and the strength of the
buy is overpowering the MM will want to cover his
short position. So the MMs call up one of his
friendly MMs and says some like "the weather is
sure rough today." The MM along with the other
"friendly MM initiates a down tick about the same
time. Now this can also be done with a certain
amount of shares such as an infamous 100 shares
flag. This down tick gives the illusion of weakness
designed to hopefully begin the bear raid of
selling. The fickle, fearful, day trader, momentum
and short term begin to sell out allowing the MM
to cover his short position at lower prices. They
will move it down quickly to get it to a price of
least financial damage. Problem they have is
long-term investors in the OTC BB / PS. They start
accumulating and buying comes flying in when they
take it too far thus the MMs took it to the point
of volume again and not only investors the other
MMs step in the make money on the spread.
Alas the poor MM does not get to cover. Now comes
various tactics like stalling, boxing, or even
locking the Bid and Ask for a while.
Of course, MMs aggressively deny any sort of
collusion designed to fix quotes or spreads.
MMs have a vast resource of tactics and it would
take probably more than a lifetime to figure them
all out.
So how do investors somehow manage to overcome the
obvious deception in OTCBB arena? One answer is
indirection trading style by going long which the
MMs do not expect. In the war between investors and
public companies on the OTC BB / PS vs the MMs, if the
MMs have all the advantages due to position or
other factors, direct confrontation such as
momentum or day trading hitting the stock is a
definite death sentence.
However, an indirect approach tends to weaken the
path of least resistance before slowly overcoming
it. The most effective way is long-term investors
slowly accumulating and holding thus drawing the
MMs out of its defenses making them as naked as
their short position. This is war so this slow
accumulation and holding for the long term easily
achieves the desired effect to force MMs to cover
and knock off the tactics or bury themselves
deeper.
The MMs when caught will especially use every trick
and tactic in the book to get a Bear Raid thus
playing on the individual fear of most people. The
MMs feel they have information and position
advantages over the investors as long as the
holding of the stock is in weak hands or short term
holders. Since they are OTC BB MMs who believe all
OTCBB companies are not worth investing and
management is ineffective regardless what is
happening within the company. Furthermore, MMs know
they are in the position to impose a great deal of
influence in OTC BB stocks trading when it suits
their needs.
This inherent power of position enables the MMs to
move the markets at any time up or down. As a
result, the only way to draw them out of their
favorable position is going long. Now this does not
mean just any company but to effectively nail the
MMs, Longs must find the great company on the floor
and accumulate long before the MM tactics and games
begin.
Good post from RB...
By: bobbybdb011
29 Jun 2006, 08:25 PM EDT
Msg. 54509 of 54510
Jump to msg. #
EXCELLENT ARTICLE FOR WHOLE BOARD;
More and more investors are winning the game
nowadays despite all bashers that float through the
Internet that has become part of the game. Floor
traders of market makers often watch CNBC, news
wires and bulletin boards in order to follow the
market during trading session. OTC BB market makers
(MMs) don't use fundamental and technical analysis.
However, what they do realize is a lot of dumb
money does use this newest niche charting or TA
(Technical Analysis) to run a stock either up or
down. To the MMs this is like taking candy from a
baby. Simply they will paint the tape and use
whatever tactic to affect the charting bands. Thus
the public and dumb money they will have eating out
of their hands. Effectively the MMs can show a
strong stock growing weak by manipulating the close
price in order to generate selling volume, delaying
trading time to manipulate trading activities, or
even stalling the ask without honoring orders to
hold a stock price.
MMs follow a simple code of business when making a
market in a stock especially an OTC BB / PS. That is the
level that stocks will seek that yields the most
volume. Now this is very important because they
make money on the volume buying at the bid and
selling at the ask. In other words, by making the
market they are buying low and selling high. Now
smart money adheres to that rule, so do all the
market makers. They could careless whether the
stock is at $22 or at $0.0002. All they care about
is the action thus being able to sell stock at the
offer (The high) and buy stock at the bid (The
low). To increase their profitability, they make
the spread as great as possible on as many shares
as they can especially if the volume falls off.
When they have mostly all "buy" orders, that's not
the price that's going to yield the most volume.
They need both buy and sells to get the maximum
action. Remember, MMs play the volume. If the
volume decreases and there are mostly Buys that
become a one way volume, Buy volume. So what they
do is let the stock run up to a price where it runs
out of steam. They fill all the buy orders there
that they can and then comes the pullback one way
or another naturally or induced. During the pull
back they can buy tons of shares and flip them to
those averaging down or trying to catch the bounce.
At some price, the stock will be relatively stable
and yield the most volume. Now that is the average
price you will see
The average price is the point where a stock seeks
a level where MMs can profit on the most volume.
So during the day that is the price that MMs and
momentum/day traders want to see the stock at. Why?
Because they know the public and dumb money was
chasing the price thing up. Most of the time, the
MMs love a flurry of Market Orders which is a dead
sign of an artificial run or momentum. Merely it
is money in the bank for them. Most get hung in a
momentum or day trade or by the tactics of Market
makers, who are in the business to screw the public
every chance they get. They are merely making the
market liquid is their reasoning.
The market makers have created an added
complication to the OTCBB's /PS chaos of the already
volatile intra-day price movements created by dumb
money, momentum and day-traders. MMs can not relate
to long-term holders in the OTC BB / PS. That makes
absolutely no sense what so ever. They feel a large
percentage of trades in the OTC BB / PS market consist
of short-term or day-trades, MMs merely view the
barrage of buy and sell orders as relatively
neutral to the market. How they figure it is when
the average dumb money buys shares in a company,
the MMs feel or rather know with some certainty it
is very likely that dumb money will want to sell
back those shares relatively quick on the slightest
drop.
Now somewhat comfortable with this logic the MMs
merely short sells into the buying and attempts to
take the stock down in an effort to "shake out" the
weak. Since it is tough to know for sure whether a
move is the beginning of a trend, or a routine
shake out, this type of deception works quite well
for the MMs. What the long-termers do to a stock
is surprise the MMs because instead of falling, the
shorting has no effect and the price goes up. Now
that puts the MM at selling low through shorting
and thus having to buy high in order to cover.
Boy, when this happens, the MMs are not very happy
campers. The investors and traders aren't supposed to
be doing that to them. Now it becomes time to pull
out every trick and tactic in the book in order to
attempt to get a Bear Raid at every dollar/cent mark or
percent from where the stock started. Could be a
fraction of a penny in smaller priced securities.
What MMs do is give you a chance to make a small amount
of money for your momentum and day trading style by
shorting it at these levels and trying to get a bear raid
each time. Each failure is compounding the MMs
short position so they let it go to the next level.
Now come more deliberate tactics MMs use to coerce
Bear Raid or panic selling.
Once the MM is caught short and the strength of the
buy is overpowering the MM will want to cover his
short position. So the MMs call up one of his
friendly MMs and says some like "the weather is
sure rough today." The MM along with the other
"friendly MM initiates a down tick about the same
time. Now this can also be done with a certain
amount of shares such as an infamous 100 shares
flag. This down tick gives the illusion of weakness
designed to hopefully begin the bear raid of
selling. The fickle, fearful, day trader, momentum
and short term begin to sell out allowing the MM
to cover his short position at lower prices. They
will move it down quickly to get it to a price of
least financial damage. Problem they have is
long-term investors in the OTC BB / PS. They start
accumulating and buying comes flying in when they
take it too far thus the MMs took it to the point
of volume again and not only investors the other
MMs step in the make money on the spread.
Alas the poor MM does not get to cover. Now comes
various tactics like stalling, boxing, or even
locking the Bid and Ask for a while.
Of course, MMs aggressively deny any sort of
collusion designed to fix quotes or spreads.
MMs have a vast resource of tactics and it would
take probably more than a lifetime to figure them
all out.
So how do investors somehow manage to overcome the
obvious deception in OTCBB arena? One answer is
indirection trading style by going long which the
MMs do not expect. In the war between investors and
public companies on the OTC BB / PS vs the MMs, if the
MMs have all the advantages due to position or
other factors, direct confrontation such as
momentum or day trading hitting the stock is a
definite death sentence.
However, an indirect approach tends to weaken the
path of least resistance before slowly overcoming
it. The most effective way is long-term investors
slowly accumulating and holding thus drawing the
MMs out of its defenses making them as naked as
their short position. This is war so this slow
accumulation and holding for the long term easily
achieves the desired effect to force MMs to cover
and knock off the tactics or bury themselves
deeper.
The MMs when caught will especially use every trick
and tactic in the book to get a Bear Raid thus
playing on the individual fear of most people. The
MMs feel they have information and position
advantages over the investors as long as the
holding of the stock is in weak hands or short term
holders. Since they are OTC BB MMs who believe all
OTCBB companies are not worth investing and
management is ineffective regardless what is
happening within the company. Furthermore, MMs know
they are in the position to impose a great deal of
influence in OTC BB stocks trading when it suits
their needs.
This inherent power of position enables the MMs to
move the markets at any time up or down. As a
result, the only way to draw them out of their
favorable position is going long. Now this does not
mean just any company but to effectively nail the
MMs, Longs must find the great company on the floor
and accumulate long before the MM tactics and games
begin.
I like this quote,
"Regional Economy Moving Forward
Even with higher industry-wide costs, most notably fuel, the economic performance of the region and country as a whole have kept the fleet’s performance moving. Trucking is a tough business, complete with consolidation, personnel shortages and heavy competition. But strong demand--and the processes, relationships and efficiencies Bayou State Trucking has put into play--has kept it running in the black."
This is a great start. IMO
TTR