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flum
Ever heard of Freeman Dyson? The list goes on and on of top notch scientists who say the science is flawed. For each point you make there's a counter argument from someone who doesn't depend on grants, tenure or government money.
Let's not clog this board with something that can't be resolved here.
Tenchu
Somewhat of a cross between simulation and real silicon, emulation is where we program the design onto FPGAs and run it like an actual chip
Those were around in my day too.
flum
Other that #1, each and every one of your points has very qualified and respected scientists who say this simply isn't so, or at least not the way it's being portrayed. Which is correct? I won't get into that on here but the claim that 98% of scientists concur is simply nonsense, so #2 is not established science. #3 is contradicted or confirmed by which set of data you choose to include and which you choose to exclude, so saying it's established science is also nonsense. You didn't say that but that's the politics speaking.
What I can't prove is that humans are causing all of this
I can't either but those who claim they can are full of it.
Let's just agree to disagree.
flem
I love how climate deniers love to invoke the inadequacy of climate models
Only an idiot can't tell the difference between a denier and a skeptic. Skepticism is one of the foundations of science.
flem
What an idiot you are.
flum
There's no need to be defensive, you certainly implied that you placed faith in climate models since that is what the pseudo science of man made global warming is based on and you included the snarky line about it all being a liberal conspiracy. If you didn't mean it that way and were being sarcastic then I misunderstood your post, but it certainly looked to be snarky.
Now stop the insults. They make you look childish.
Tenchu
Thanks much for your indepth explanation. It just reinforces the absurdity of putting any faith in climate models from a science stand point and it sure explains them from a political standpoint.
Tenchu
We need to put our faith in simulations that only amount to maybe 15 minutes of CPU operation before the design makes it to silicon
Help me out here, I've been away for awhile. Is that for a single CPU or a multicore device? Is that 15 minutes of RTL simulation or gatelevel simulation with parametrics? How long do such simulations take of wall clock time and how many System CPUs are involved in running those simulations? I'd like to catch up on my understanding.I know the fault models I used to run took months with no parametrics.
Climate models, on the other hand, don't need to be accurate
They need to not be accurate. Otherwise who would get a grant to make a better one?
What he said...
flux
Climate models show that the Pacific Northwest will become a coastal desert
We can't simulate more than a few seconds of CPU operation and you put faith in climate models that project out decades/centuries?
Of course, climate change is just a liberal myth..now isn't it?
What I do know is that it isn't science.
Record heat yesterday in Spokane 96f, 93f previous.
All time record or just for the day?
104 here yesterday. A friend came down here from Phoenix to get away from the heat...
Koog
We're not trying to deal with it at all.
Koog
Somehow the Israelis have managed to deal with it.
I live 55 miles from the border.
Unkwn
Thank you for clarifying.
I'm done now.
morrowwinder
When Trump called all mexicans rapists. Do you want to discuss muslims?
He never said that. That's pure nonsense. But my point was about immigration. Trump is completely for immigrating under the law. Same for Hillary. Anyone who says otherwise simply doesn't know what they're talking about. All Republicans and All Democrats are for immigration under the law as far as I know. None in either party have ever said a word against it. I don't know a single American against immigration under the law.
TCAE
They're easy.
No worries.
II
So boards will support it, but where is it? Still unknown.
muzohub
Sorry, I didn't mean to single you out. You did not start it.
Why was the leader of a company that has been a huge advocate for diversity in tech hosting a fundraiser for a candidate who has been so strongly anti-immigrant and has had, shall we say, a fair number of issues with regard to women?
I hear this all the time and it's just not true. The candidate has never made an anti-immigrant statement that I am aware of.
This post is not an endorsement one way or the other. Just setting the record straight.
muzohub
Please don't start a political food fight. We bicker enough already.
II
The icing on the cake would be 3DXP - if it is released on time and rapidly adopted
What is "on time"?
We've been waiting a long time already and it doesn't seem any closer to fruition.
II
Someone posted here earlier today that Intel demoed Kaby Lake at Computex. Can anyone confirm that? I'm not seeing anything in the press.
This Causes an Error
Intel showed Kaby Lake silicon running Windows 10 at Computex.
Aren't those supposed to come out at roughly the same time? Intel's next generation is showing far more functionality on an already mature process...
In the video the AMD CEO held up a part and proudly said "This Zen"... The silence was deafening until someone probably held up a "applaud" sign and the audience begrudgingly gave an embarrassingly tepid applause.
She finished by saying "You haven't seen anything yet". I tend to agree.
Chipguy
What we can be pretty sure of is that Zen is not stable enough to do a live demo where people can see the system running something, anything. That speaks volumes and I think AMD would have been better off not showing anything.
I can remember Intel demos more complicated than this on the day first silicon arrived. Live screen shots.
fpg
I think there's another component.
Assuming AMD actually delivers in late June, it will show an actual achievement happening somewhere near the scheduled date. That will be a big turnaround for AMD.
I just watched the video:
Pick up at about 1:08:20
On another board I am hearing that AMD demoed ZEN via a video supposedly of it having rendered something. I can't believe this is true because they would be laughed out of the place.
Can anyone elaborate>
fpg
The list of caveins by the FTC has been thoroughly documented numerous times. Go take this to the whiners board and I'll give you another beating there. Everybody here is sick of your complaints over ancient history. You lost. Nothing will ever change that.
Koog
For example, I am concerned about Intel's ability to execute with the incredible blood-letting of laying off 12,000 employees. These are not just dead wood employees. It will have a profound structural impact.
We've seen this happen before, a number of times. Somehow Intel survived.
FPG
The FTC caved in when they couldn't prove their case. They settled rather than go to Court. The wording is pure hyperbole to cover their embarrassed butts. Find a dictionary and look up the difference between an allegation and a finding.
Now move on. You've been proven wrong so many times no one can keep count.
Sigh....
Bozo, I'm not going to argue this with you anymore.
You lost. Whining won't change it.
No Bozo they did not.
Rebates were and still are perfectly legal.
Why don't you and fpg start a "whiners from days gone" by board?
Bozo
You're simply mistaken. Rebates were and are legal. You are stuck many years in the past. Get over it. You're boring everybody and looking like a fool.
Bozo
When Intel got behind not only would they not admit it, but bribed MD to praise the emperor's non marvelous wardrobe (P4)
You can not bribe someone with their own money. You need you find another catch phrase. Something like "I lost and I just can't let it go". Or maybe "Intel's rebates were perfectly legal but I'm too big a baby to accept it after more than 10 years".
Now, having corrected you on this for the millionth time, I must admit you have a point about owning another company's shares that is worthy of discussion. I knew if you tried hard enough eventually you'd hit on something that is. I see no reason why an Intel employee couldn't own AMD stock. Intel Executives own and trade Intel stock, so why not AMD?
flem
Will you stop bashing the moderators. It's the Admins who are deleting your posts.
You are your own worst enemy.
And since it is the first mainstream 16nm product for GPU?CPU it might give some clues as to process maturity
That's what I was getting at too in an around about way.
morrowinder
If cards are available no matter how few it means the functionality is there. It must be yield problems. Is there something specific to this product or does that tell us 16nm is in trouble?
There are two separate graphs. What you say surely holds true to the first. Not so sure about the second
The second graph has no scale for the y axis so nothing meaningful can be known. If you didn't know better you'd think they put it next to the first graph so you'd assume it was the same scale, but AMD would never do something deceitful would they?
Bozo
In the article Ashraf "assumes" the performance numbers are multi-threaded, but there's no need to assume. Just zoom in on the graph and it says multi-threaded.
Bozo
as you know I have used your warnings as an inverse indicator
Yes, and in 10 years AMD has gone from over $41 to the low single digits. I'm sure it worked very well for you...