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i wonder who owns the majority of Diebold?
last i knew they were heavy into voting machings.
if it's carlos slim or jeff bezos, i think i'll puke.
this is one area where old tech wins every time, just count paper ballets, so it takes a little longer than the 9 seconds of the current millenials attention span.
must be a case of a rising tide lifts all ships, in reverse.
been lucky last couple weeks, once even buying at low penny of the day, and once having an order in at 10.072, only to watch it trade at 10.07, some sells, for about an hour before mine finally got swept up in one of those big 175,000 and up orders. that was a bit frustrating seeing them pass over best price for their customers....guess i wasn't in on the right computer trading program, ha.
sorry about that, don't remember how i came across it, but thought it was reed.
watching show on how google search alledgedly distorted search results during the primaries, similar to how facebooks feed was questioned.
seems if you typed hillary clinton cri on bing or yahoo you would get hrc criminal behavior, or on goole, hrc ind, you would get hrc in india, or indiana, even though hrc inditment was searched for 8x more times and the cri would not bring up a criminal story on her with google.
unreal, and how many times did google visit the white house during the current presidents terms?????
pathetic response from google, but like all things clinton, they will just wait till it blows over and the usa citizens, looked on as dupes, move on.
hdge looks like it had a 550,000 share buy around 10.37 about an hour and a half ago. lots of funds taking positions I guess.
Rating Action: Moody's downgrades Waddell & Reed Financial's issuer rating to Baa3, maintains negative outlook
Global Credit Research - 06 Jun 2016
https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-downgrades-Waddell-Reed-Financials-issuer-rating-to-Baa3-maintains--PR_349173?WT.mc_
New York, June 06, 2016 -- Moody's Investors Service, ("Moody's") has downgraded the issuer rating of Waddell & Reed Financial, Inc. (Waddell & Reed) to Baa3 from Baa2. The outlook remains negative.
The key drivers of today's rating downgrade are the following:
1) Despite some recent performance improvement, continued underperformance of the firm's flagship funds
2) Acceleration of net client outflows over the last three quarters combined with our expectation that new sales in the unaffiliated distribution channel will remain depressed
3) High turnover in the company's senior management ranks including the recent announcement of a CEO change
4) High exposure to the Department of Labor's Fiduciary Rule within the firm's Advisor's channel relative to peers
RATINGS RATIONALE
The downgrade is driven by sustained weakness in Waddell & Reed's operating fundamentals. This has resulted from a sharp decline in the firm's assets under management (AUM) and deterioration in its historically strong AUM retention and replacement rates. The company ended with $95.2 billion of AUM as of 31 March 2016, down from $104.4 billion as of 31 December 2015 and a peak year-end level of $126.5 billion as of 31 December 2013. In the last twelve months, ending 31 March 2016, Waddell and Reed has experienced $16.5 billion of net outflows. The magnitude and persistency of net outflows has materially weakened the company's revenue generation and profitability, and Waddell and Reed's historically solid financial profile faces the pressure of significant cost cutting in order to maintain its profitability level. The firm is attempting to address this contraction through targeted cost cutting and the implementation of Project E -- an efficiency project aimed at updating its technology and advisory operations.
The negative outlook reflects our concern that Waddell and Reed is likely to continue to experience weak AUM resilience over the next 12-18 months. We believe that several issues weigh on the ability of the firm to raise assets going forward -- 1) underperformance of the firm's flagship funds, 2) a decidedly active product lineup, 3) key personnel changes, 4) the Department of Labor's Fiduciary Rule.
The majority of the firm's flagship funds have underperformed their peers, and most significantly the firm's largest fund, Ivy Asset Strategy, has shown lackluster returns. Last quarter, Waddell and Reed reported that an important broker-dealer suspended sales of this fund, as well as been advising clients to liquidate existing positions. Continued poor investment performance may decelerate future sales and further pressure the firm's retention and replacement rates in the near-term.
The negative outlook also considers risks associated with the departure of key personnel and regulatory pressures. On 21 May 2016, the company announced the retirement of its CEO Hank Herrmann, to be replaced by Philip Sanders, who currently holds the role of CIO. Earlier this year, the company also announced that its President and lead Portfolio Manager for Asset Strategy, Mike Avery, would be retiring. Personal departures at this level of seniority create significant uncertainty in the management of the business going forward and may cause investors to increase due-diligence prior to committing investments to the firm. Finally, regulatory risk may weigh on the firm now that the Department of Labor's Fiduciary Rule has been finalized. Though this regulation may negatively impact all asset managers, Waddell and Reed greater regulatory exposure within the firm's Advisor's Channel, historically the firm's most stable business segment, given its unique retail distribution sales force and high client exposure to proprietary products.
Waddell & Reed Financial, Inc.'s Baa3 issuer rating reflects the company's modest scale, unique distribution model, conservative balance sheet management and good profitability relative to its rating level. The rating also takes into account the concentration risks associated with the firm's focus on equity products and AUM concentration in a single fund, Asset Strategy.
WHAT COULD CHANGE RATING UP / DOWN
Although upward pressure on the rating is unlikely in the near term in light of our expectation for deteriorating metrics over the coming 12 to 18 months, upward pressure on the rating could result from (1) a sustained increase in net flows with replacement rates over 115%; and (2) retention rates over 80%.
Negative pressure would build on the rating if (1) net outflows continue, (2) investment performance worsens and (3) regulatory risks related to the Department of Labor's Fiduciary Rule increase. These concerns are balanced by the firm's solid liquidity position, albeit deteriorating, and low leverage.
Waddell & Reed Financial, Inc. is a holding company that provides investment management services to individuals and institutions. The company is headquartered in Overland Park, Kansas, and has $95.2 billion of assets under management as of 31 March 2016. The company has outstanding $190 million of unsecured notes, maturing in 2018 and 2021.
Moody's took the following rating action on Waddell & Reed Financial, Inc.
-- Issuer Rating, downgraded to Baa3 from Baa2
-- Outlook is Negative
PRINCIPAL METHODOLOGY
The principal methodology used in this rating was Asset Managers: Traditional and Alternative published in December 2015. Please see the Ratings Methodologies page on www.moodys.com for a copy of this methodology.
REGULATORY DISCLOSURES
For ratings issued on a program, series or category/class of debt, this announcement provides certain regulatory disclosures in relation to each rating of a subsequently issued bond or note of the same series or category/class of debt or pursuant to a program for which the ratings are derived exclusively from existing ratings in accordance with Moody's rating practices. For ratings issued on a support provider, this announcement provides certain regulatory disclosures in relation to the credit rating action on the support provider and in relation to each particular credit rating action for securities that derive their credit ratings from the support provider's credit rating. For provisional ratings, this announcement provides certain regulatory disclosures in relation to the provisional rating assigned, and in relation to a definitive rating that may be assigned subsequent to the final issuance of the debt, in each case where the transaction structure and terms have not changed prior to the assignment of the definitive rating in a manner that would have affected the rating. For further information please see the ratings tab on the issuer/entity page for the respective issuer on www.moodys.com.
For any affected securities or rated entities receiving direct credit support from the primary entity(ies) of this credit rating action, and whose ratings may change as a result of this credit rating action, the associated regulatory disclosures will be those of the guarantor entity. Exceptions to this approach exist for the following disclosures, if applicable to jurisdiction: Ancillary Services, Disclosure to rated entity, Disclosure from rated entity.
Regulatory disclosures contained in this press release apply to the credit rating and, if applicable, the related rating outlook or rating review.
Please see www.moodys.com for any updates on changes to the lead rating analyst and to the Moody's legal entity that has issued the rating.
Please see the ratings tab on the issuer/entity page on www.moodys.com for additional regulatory disclosures for each credit rating.
sold most a while back, kept 6k shares to see what happens with it. watched it drop to .32 a few weeks ago, thought about getting 20-50k more shares, and got busy doing something else, then watched it go to .54. LOL, about my speed lately.
hdge has been getting huge play lately, or at least above average. think i saw a 384k share sell and a 175k buy flash by this morning, where it had traded nearly a million shares by maybe 11am? some days trades 100-200k total.
saw a news guy this morning say how he could put 100 dollars in his bank account and exactly 1 year later get back something like 101.24, or he could buy 100 dollars of a 1 year USA treasury bond, and get back 100.59 after the same year. That didn't used to happen.
paper means almost nothing, when it goes totally useless the big red reset button will be pushed, we all suffer, while our elected reps, many in the best job of their lives, and may be bagging food or waiting tables without the gov. handouts, lifetime healthcare, retirement, pension, maybe even dancing girls/boys on a beach somewhere.
saw a bernie supporter on the tube couple days ago, her second visit. she was rallying for an 83% tax on the "1%." then the tv talking head said, "didn't you say you are from a very wealthy family the last time you were here?" her face went bright red, she said yes, the tv guy said, "well i am glad they were able to keep the money they made so they could raise you." "ok, bye bye now."
ha.
Think I mentioned to you before how I got to see him live, as an opening act for BB King, when he was just starting out. You could have heard a pin drop as he ranted out a cuss riddled tirade on religion, or some other forbidden topic, it might have been around his "hippy dippy weather man," routine, or even before. It was sometime after that when folks realized he had a way above average iq.....or what I call, "near photographic," memory.
I can remember my Dad telling me 20-30 some odd years ago that water is where the future was going, and he put his money where his mouth was by investing in Hartford Steam Boiler, since taken over, that had something to do with fresh water. I was too focused on oil to listen closely. Funny how the young think they have all the answers, then, as they age, they realize how stupid some of their younger positions were.....
====So pure luck on that one,===
You are being too modest, i remember those dndn days as you being right on.
fwiw....
Pretty much set on silver for now. box at bank full, but still dollar cost averaging hdge, down 2.2% at one point today with dow flat, huge sell at open. didn't see any news so stuck neck out for couple orders.
stepped back into by ole favorite yesterday, just 10k shares to go to zero or sell for fun, kind of bored with what used to be market, now just numbers on ppp computers, till something gives....
might vacation if in your shoes come summer this year, gets so hot and sticky there and tempers flare on normal day.
take care.
I just don't get how any Bernie supporter can look at what is going on in South America right now, as Socialism burns down and ruins MILLIONS of lives, just how can they still support the :take care of me, we are all the same: mantra?
People eating out of garbage cans, robbing food trucks while the military stands by and lets them get a few bags to feed their kids with, as basic foods go up 900% in a day.
It starts coming unglued, then happens fast, every time. just a few days ago there were mile long lines at their supermarkets, watched over by armed military. And this is a country with Modern cities, Americans just don't think it can happen here. They are mistaken, it can happen anywhere, and usually, eventually, does, when the people turn over too much self motivation in return for the gov to take care of them.
Yikes. If you are a pray'er out there, now is the time.
"Take Out"=====hummmmm....time for more security when these guys get talking.....jeeze, right out in the open like that, enough crazies to plant the seeds out there....burning horses, yuck.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/26/glenn-beck-guest-asks-whether-patriot-would-remove-trump-from-white-house.html?intcmp=hplnws
Glenn Beck guest asks whether 'patriot' would remove Trump from White House
Conservative talk-radio host Glenn Beck and best-selling suspense author Brad Thor say they were misunderstood over comments they made on air Wednesday about a “hypothetical” situation where Donald Trump was president and abusing his power.
“I am about to suggest something very bad,” Thor said. “It is a hypothetical I am going to ask as a thriller writer.”
He went on to question whether someone would remove Trump from office though he did not go into specifics.
“With the feckless, spineless Congress we have, who will stand in the way of Donald Trump overstepping his constitutional authority as president? If Congress won’t remove him from office, what patriot will step up and do that if, if, he oversteps his mandate as president, his constitution-mandated authority as president, I should say.
“If he oversteps that, how do we get him out of office? And I don’t think there is a legal means available. I think it will be a terrible, terrible position the American people will be in to get Trump out of office, because you won’t be able to do it through Congress.”
Beck responded to Thor, saying, “I would agree with you on that.”
Conservative news outlet The Drudge Report ran a story with the headline “GLENN BECK, AUTHOR TALK ‘PATRIOT’ TAKING OUT TRUMP” with a link to a piece from The American Mirror.
Beck and his co-host Pat Gray fired back on their Facebook page, calling Matt Drudge of The Drudge Report “a total fraud and an embarrassment” and a “despicable lying scumbag.”
The post also said Thor’s words did not advocate the assassination of Trump.
“NOBODY stated or implied any harm coming to Trump, that’s not something we joke about.”
It added, “As you know if you were listening this morning, Brad was discussing the possibility that if Trump ever got completely out-of-control as President, there would be no way the Republican Congress would ever impeach him. So, even if it were necessary, patriots have no way to get him out of office.”
Thor defended himself on Twitter, tweeting, “What @glennbeck & I discussed was a hypothetical scenario in which a President Trump goes full dictator.”
thanks for the heads up on reed. i owned it once, near 5.00. have it on watchlist screen but haven't noticed it in a while..... still wanting to see wnr fall below 10 and being forgotten about again so i can dollar cost average and keep 1000 shares no matter what, or 50 first, ha.
take care.
so what did the post say? i thought they would take down my end of species post due to some gay objecting and not felling safe and coddled, they are only words people, to be debated. no fear.
none too soon. EOM
yea, i had read that....would love to have been a fly on the wall of some of those meetings as they discussed the "stupid american public," but then again would likely have shown up dead, "accidently" drowned in lime jello while visiting canyon lands utah.
makes perfect sense.
Kinda like the NYT majority owned by Carlos Slim, The Mexican Richest man in the world.....I love getting my news from foriegn sources trying to influence our elections....oppps, Telenova reporting.
Or maybe the Washington Post, owned in majority by Amazons Bezo's. Put 20 top reporters to dig up dirt on republican nominee, and would not respond to how many he had put on Clinton, saying only it was the "Quality" of the people. He is all kinds of issues with the current dem led executive branch, antitrust and other, own the world issues, and he donates 90% of his donating dollars to dems. He should not own a major usa newspaper, in our beltway of politics in the country, clearly favoring those that can help him get even richer.
The american public is less and less inclined to lay down for this same old same old, crap put out by so few, to attemp to influence so many.
Now Zuckerberg, as left as they come and reportedly created facebook to get laid more, according to some, is being outed for controlling the news feed of over 1 billion people. He is making token gesture to invite "conseritive" leaders to shown them how they are on the up and up and the 20 somethings really aren't steering liberal stories to the feed. Yea, I believe him as 80% of his companies employees political donations go to the dems. One consevative who declined his invitation said, we invited facebook to meet with us a long time ago about the news feed and they laughed at us, I don't need to go to them, so they can put on a dog and pony show, (paraphrasing,) showing me how stupid I am, when his own people are the ones saying stories are being held off the feed the don't support liberal causes.
Control the press and you control the conversation, we keep getting closer to China and Russia's State owned press, that does away completely with any counter opinions, maybe with a bullet to the back of the head, or steps of the Kremlin, maybe a little radioactive isitope in your coffee, that you can then drag through several countries. I am sure that was just an accident, all done before the average age of those feeding us our left wing gruel, that they feel are SO IMPORTANT that we all be schooled on.
yuck. ( not proof read, sorry for typo's )
I think there is likely a lot more coming out of the panama papers, even though the institution vexed with releasing info has been shown to be funded by soro's.......ouch.
====We don’t know what the eventual effects of gay marriage on the social order====
I do, we all die, no reproduction.
wnr started falling again, near 20, half that and i am dollar cost averaging for sure......
what pc idiot is allowing men, or anyone identifying as a man, into the ladies room? it goes beyond those planned distractions like tv idiots and sports teams, this one can hurt people, for not offending .3% of the population, so much so, the feds are suing NC, with more coming, using taxpayer dollars and just more attempts to keep our eye off the ball....... you are what's on your birth certificate, unless you have an operation, and the paperwork, to prove it.
Cops: Man Choked 8-Year-Old Girl in Restaurant Bathroom
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/13/cops-man-choked-8-year-old-girl-restaurant-bathroom
Police in Chicago say a man choked an eight-year-old girl until she passed out in the bathroom of a restaurant.
According to WLS-TV, the girl was with her mother at a Jason's Deli restaurant in Chicago's South Loop when she went by herself to use the restroom on May 7.
Her mom reportedly heard a scream from the bathroom and ran in to find a man carrying her unconscious daughter into a stall.
Reese Hartstirn, 33, was subdued by others inside the eatery until police arrived.
The girl was hospitalized, but there's been no word on her condition.
Hartstirn, who's being held without bond, was charged with aggravated kidnapping of a child, aggravated battery of a child and battery causing bodily harm.
Police say he later tried to punch an officer during his booking.
Anti American leadership yet again.
OT- gfp, I just saw this listed, 38 dollar round trip from phil to chicago. forgot if it's you or bw with connections up that way.
http://slickdeals.net/f/8738679-chicago-to-philadelphia-round-trip-38?v=1&src=tdw
Utah is beautiful. Dated a girl when I was 18, and can still remember helping her Mom unload groceries and watching her routinely rotate the canned goods, first in, first out. They always kept a 6 month supply of food on hand, when I asked why, she said it was her religion. It's where I got the idea and now have a year or two at all times, actually likely a couple months, if I have to care for extended family. I always joke you are always welcome here, just bring your own food. I've got about everything else covered, ha.
sign up for a class
get student visa
over stay it
like everyone does to the usa
never find them
====ITEM 2.03 Creation of a Direct Financial Obligation or an Obligation under an Off-Balance Sheet Arrangement of a Registrant
The disclosure included above under “Item 1.01. Entry into a Material Definitive Agreement” is incorporated herein by reference. ====
Hello Dew,
I was wondering if you get a minute, you might be able to clarify this Item 2.03 in today's 8k?
Item 9.xx had to do with pcl's debt business, but I am clueless about this off-balance sheet mention???????
Not a big deal if you don't get a chance, if you don't believe in management you likely shouldn't be in a serious stock anyway....very happy with the pcl-now wy stock I accumulated.
Thanks and hope you are doing well.
it's a high beta one for sure.....i have mental stop that equals a few decades in a bank acct. for it in my head, which is not much. fun to watch for sure and no matter what,i'll keep a piece of it in case of another wnr situation, left 50k sitting on the table on that one for a song.
anyway, hope you have good weekend, don't know what happened to us but other half been sleepy/sleeping all day and I fell asleep at my 7 screen stock machine for the first time ever, sitting up. then took nap, then fell asleep again sitting up in tv tube chair, (not all that uncommon, but still, not likely on day with so much sleep!)
yikes and take care, thanks for the posts, most have no clue of the unseemly underbelly of the market workings, or endgames. 70% no human intervention, what could go wrong?????? outright theft by renting from one of the exchanges to gain 1/10000 of a second on the comp., by being one foot closer......ugg.
best investment in a while was listening to you and big world on gdxj. got in at 21.xx, now just a few weeks later 37.86.
need more like that, ha.
would like to see wnr go back to 4-6, ha.
take care.
Hot Sauce
Ever since that interview a few days ago, I have seen two of three Black men say how offended they felt when she said that, obviously pandering to the Black vote when asked, by a panel of three black people, what one item do you always carry with you? She said, "Hot Sauce." The Interviewers just laughed it off.
The hindsite men sounded like she might have well said Watermelon or Fried Chicken, yet almost no response publicly. Guess she learned a thing or two from Slick Willy.....
===Jon Corzine stole over a Billion Dollars ===
Don't forget the Jersey Turnpike.
Thx,U know I like the long forgotten.EOM
nope, just thinking about it as it soared....ha. did get some gdxj though at 21.xx just before it took off. between that and wy I am treading water, even as I add to hdge at these depressed prices... not lot but dollar cost averaging for sure. vix at 12.50 usually not for long....
never found it a particularly good time when intel is laying off 12,000, on top of the borrowing money to buy back stock game that has been going of so long now, even for crap companies that are losing market share, shrinking, dying industries, laying off, blow off top at some point.
NO CLUE how that came out 2x. EOM
===There would have been no significant spillover effect.===
Not sure I can agree with ole David S. on this one. While hindsight is 20-20, I think even at the time many can agree that the fed went WAY overboard in their response, overheated by a party in office known for never seeing a free buck they could resist. Free meaning of course borrowed on the taxpayers backs. Still, I am one of those that believes some type of limited response was needed for "shovel ready" jobs.
It's been the same kick the can down the road for 40+ years, and 2008 was the dead end ahead sign.
When I was young, maybe eight, my father sat me down and was very serious and said, rule number one in newspapers is, "don't believe everything you read, EVERYONE has an angle, weather they know it or not. How true those words proved to be over my lifetime.
At the movies yesterday, I had to sit through, having paid for the movie, an intro snippet, they spelled out in 8 foot letters what the male role in life has been, and how it is changing, meaning, metrosexual. It was advertising a book, and asking "are you ready for the change?" Could have been written by ISIS, or anyone else who wanted us to believe that we are weakening as a people and we might as well accept it. What freaking garbage was being spewed, basically saying, why resist the left, and what we want you to believe about yourself. Now I have to pay to listen to how I should view myself. The theater should be ashamed....And now states are having to pass laws on what bathroom you can use based on the junk your birth certificate says. When did the 4-10% become so powerful. Suck it up, you are the minority, lift up your skirt, pull out your balls, and pee. jeez.
===There would have been no significant spillover effect.===
Not sure I can agree with ole David S. on this one. While hindsight is 20-20, I think even at the time many can agree that the fed went WAY overboard in their response, overheated by a party in office known for never seeing a free buck they could resist. Free meaning of course borrowed on the taxpayers backs. Still, I am one of those that believes some type of limited response was needed for "shovel ready" jobs.
It's been the same kick the can down the road for 40+ years, and 2008 was the dead end ahead sign.
When I was young, maybe eight, my father sat me down and was very serious and said, rule number one in newspapers is, "don't believe everything you read, EVERYONE has an angle, weather they know it or not. How true those words proved to be over my lifetime.
At the movies yesterday, I had to sit through, having paid for the movie, an intro snippet, they spelled out in 8 foot letters what the male role in life has been, and how it is changing, meaning, metrosexual. It was advertising a book, and asking "are you ready for the change?" Could have been written by ISIS, or anyone else who wanted us to believe that we are weakening as a people and we might as well accept it. What freaking garbage was being spewed, basically saying, why resist the left, and what we want you to believe about yourself. Now I have to pay to listen to how I should view myself. The theater should be ashamed....And now states are having to pass laws on what bathroom you can use based on the junk your birth certificate says. When did the 4-10% become so powerful. Suck it up, you are the minority, lift up your skirt, pull out your balls, and pee. jeez.
Thanks, will put on watch list. EOM
===liked the chart and the $150 mil in cash.====
I'm with you 100% on that comment, cash is king in that field, and thanks to Dr. Tracy, years ago, painting that picture of the man, hat in hand, begging to be able to speak to plead his case for his bio, saved me a bundle, and continues to work in this free money world.
Take Care.
ps. read long article about those Iceland married couple at the top of the chain, if that's the one the person posted about here. While campaining on no taxes, his wife inherits a fortune from an auto dealership, and they invest it in a hedge fund, buying Iceland debt for pennies on the dollar. Then he, the head dude, does a 180 and suddenly SUPPORTS a tax increase for Iceland folks, so timely for he and his wife. I hope it was them he was referring to. The article was long, detailed, and showed how easy, and scummy, those at the top can become influenced by their power and wealth, screwing their constituents in the process. Eye opening for sure to see it so plainly, a convoluted relationship to those that put him in office. ugg.
gfp, I am beginning to wonder if the funds/ppp/others are beginning to forget about old wnr ?
27.xx, about half way from top to bottom when we last watched them kind of carefully. drifting down, my favorite nyse stock to play....still too early for me, but hoping they forget about it off the map, ha.
good as any I suppose, that's the million dollar question, what to do, what to do....right where they want us,
ha
66% short
8% metal stocks
13% lumber
<10% bios
<10% cash
trading acount only
Thanks, First to go that I know of. China scrubbing as fast as the censors can keep XI clear. Going on all over the world, ouch....
every time that small box pops up, usually when i click on the general stock ideas link, i close it by "X"ing it out before it can fully load. a few weeks ago, i missed it, was listening to tube music at the time, and had the windows media program open. the pop up box took over the machine and started playing some ad right in a new window it opened in windows media.
i emailed the ihub help people, they said it was a new one on them, and now i am pretty fast waiting for the box to show, and i X it out before much loads into it. never had the problem again. ran avast, and malwarebytes, and neither found anything. i run CCleaner after every computer session. can be found at cnet, or their download.com website, cleans stuff up pretty well, much better than the windows internet tool alone i think the download.com website might try to load it's own kind of "malware," that keeps track of what you download, so i used the windows programs and features link in the control panel and removed that program right after getting ccleaner.
hate you are having issues.....
loving the 60% free wy shares since the merger, plus the locked in near 5% dividend, now 4.xx%.