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You can't have it both ways. The share price of APRU is the LVVV asset. It's pretty simple. If APRU tanks, so does LVVVs investment. But I'm pretty sure you already know that. Good luck surfin for your cheapies.
You call everyone who post facts a pumper. lol
He seems to be missing a very important fact and that is that APRU is LVVV. At least it's part of it. He doesn't seem to get the concept of what a subsidiary is.
Agree :) Thank you Jspila but I think you accidentally put Yeardmans name in there lol just kidding..
Think I'll start an APRU LVVV RSHN BLOG.
More made up numbers. :)
Yes, half. and half have not been converted. Therefore they do not get counted in the total outstanding shares. It's really quite simple.
I posted the most current outstanding share total earlier today.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=104023147
The most recent most accurate number of outstanding common stock of APRU is 21,144,695,086
Once again, if anyone has more current numbers than this show me the link.
LVVV themselves don't consider the preferred shares to be part of the common share count. 77% of the number above is nearly exactly the number they claim to own. Approximately 77% was the words they used. The numbers are supported in the link above.
Nope. An accurate count of the outstanding common shares does not include, what if someone converts something, or this or that is possible, or maybe in the future something will happen. These are all things that have not happened yet or may not happen and are never never ever in the outstanding share totals.
If someone were to say that there are preferred shares out that could be converted, I have no problem with that. But what's being said on the board is that the outstanding balance is 32 billion and that's about 10 billion to high.
There's a big difference between 21 or 22 billion and 32 billion.
The new numbers being thrown around is 16 to 19 billion more new shares which has absolutely nothing to support it and looks like a completely fabricated set of numbers.
If I was to post that the outstanding share balance was 32 billion and then come back in a later post and say that there are 5 million preferred shares that can be converted into 9 plus billion shares, as a new reader this would be very confusing giving a total of about 42 billion.. and then in a later post state that there's a potential for 16 to 19 billion new shares coming. None of this is accurate and none of this is supported with fact. It's all confusing to new readers and it's very misleading.
In short, it's not true.
I'm not saying that the preferred shares don't exist and I never have. I'm saying that they do not get included in the outstanding totals unless they have been converted.
"Working hard at $APRU building a real company. Read my shareholder letter on otc markets to get a feel for where we are going."
Tony Torgerud @movinfast
https://twitter.com/movinfast
I post the most resent twitter post about APRU and you say it is irrelevant.
I post the most current outstanding share balance and you say it is incorrect.
One thing I speculated on did not come to pass and you say all of my post are wrong.
I back up my posts with links and you say my posts are misleading.
I ask you to show links to back up your statements and you say they are not needed.
The only time I used the 4.8 billion number is when I added it to the number that the filings stated LVVV owned or were acquiring as part of the deal.
Personally I could care less if the remaining preferred shares are converted or not, but the fact still remains. At the present time they have not been converted and are not part of the outstanding share balance.
I copied and pasted from the most recent 8-K accurate and correct numbers. If you disagree with it so heavily post your information. Post your link. The most recent filings are the most accurate information. My numbers are not slanted. It's basic addition. You're trying to compare your opinion to the facts in the 8-K.
Trademark argument? The only trademark argument that I had with you was when you claimed all the trademarks were dead. I posted proof that that was not the fact and that pretty much ended the argument.
I simply stated that the Corr family had another trademark (Green Rush) I speculated that it could possibly go under Rushnet. You seem to be jaded by this Green Rush thing.
If a man has 2 cars for sale and he sells you one are you going to be upset if he sells the other one to someone else?
What the Corr family does with the Green rush trademark is their business. Even if Rushnet would have obtained Green Rush it would most likely be a licensing agreement and not a purchase of the trademark as we seen with Apple Rush and Ginseng Rush.
My speculation on Green Rush is no different than your speculation on the conversion of the remaining preferred shares. The difference is, I stated it was a speculation and I stated that it was in In My Own Opinion.
In reality the trademark issue is irrelevant. It doesn't take that much to put a few people in a room and brainstorm a trademark name. You're acting like not having it is devastating and it doesn't even mean anything. I just thought it was a clever name and was hoping to have it as part of our lineup.
LVVV probably wasn't interested in the Green Rush trademark. I'm sure there decision had nothing to do with me lol
I have a better trademark in my head right now, tell Tony to call me and I'll give it to him.
After all the negative things you have said about APRU you're going to point the finger at me and say that I'm causing Tony headaches? Wow :)
LVVV acquired a company (APRU) that was not doing business. Therefore there's a lag period between what it is now and a company that's doing production and having sales. It doesn't take a genius to predict that the price is going to drop during that period. It also doesn't take a genius to know that the price will rebound when production and sales are underway.
I never said the outstanding shares were 4.8. You're silly :)
The Company owns 16,310,005,457 shares of APRU
common stock representing approximately 77% of the outstanding common stock of APRU
http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingPdf?FilingID=10003408
Shares Outstanding 4,834,689,629 a/o Mar 31, 2014
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/APRU/profile
Add the two numbers together for a total of 21,144,695,086
Now lets check our math :)
21,144,695,86 times .77 (77%) = 16,281,415,216 .22
The true outstanding common stock of APRU is 21,144,695,086
With a float of less than 2 billion.
Not 32 billion outstanding common shares and a massive float like some want you to believe.
As of this date this is the most accurate number that can be found.
If these numbers are incorrect as some keep trying to say, put your money where your mouth is and prove it.
That's funny. lol You claim that I use your facts? Do you write the PRs and submit the filings? Your claims about me are ridiculous. I don't find your posts to be factual. Why would I repost them or steal your information and call it my own.
If I was trying to hide something I wouldn't post the links with my posts. I posted the relevant information that pertained to the outstanding common shares. I also posted the link to the entire PR or filing for anyone who wanted to read the entire thing.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/companyPresentationViewer?cmdId=319
Link please.
You seem to be missing the very basic point, preferred shares CANNOT be counted in the common share outstanding total. You're the one trying to mislead people. I copy and post things from the filings and the PRs. I don't know what your definition of pumping is but what I'm doing is providing information truthfully and accurately. More often then not my posts are entirely copy and pasted from the filings and PRs.
You go on and on about the mysterious unreported shares. The way you word your posts you seem to be saying that the LVVV management has either failed to post accurate numbers or they have outright lied in their filings.
If this is what you believe please post a link to all of these mysterious uncounted shares, restricted and common.
Personally I don't believe that they're trying to hide any shares.
The information that I posted is from the exact same filing that you're talking about. Once again, you're counting shares that haven't been converted. If the second 5 million preferred have been converted, please post the link.
I don't have a problem with you mentioning the 5 million super preferred shares with an explanation but please stop trying to add them to the outstanding common balance.
Still doesn't show up in the outstanding share total until they're converted. It's a common basher tactic to try to add them to the total.
"AND AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NO PLANS TO EFFECT A REVERSE SPLIT OF THE STOCK."
There seems to be a strong contradiction between what you're being told on this board and the words of THE CEO of APRU
(Tony Torgerud) - https://twitter.com/movinfast
Judge for yourself.
"We begin our second quarter of 2014 with the completion of the sale to LiveWire Ergogenics,
Inc. of a majority stake in our company. Included in the LiveWire transaction are the “CANNA
Bliss” and “CANNA Rush” trademarks.
This transaction took an extraordinary amount of work
to complete but we believe it will add the most value for our shareholders in the future.
LiveWire Ergogenics’ unique manufacturing capabilities will allow us to launch new CBD-based
products, as well as bring to market other products more quickly and efficiently. Additionally,
we are able to use LiveWires’ in-house manufacturing, product development, creative support,
and general and administrative staff without having to hire our own.
This provides us a great
opportunity to grow while keeping expenses to a minimum.
We also plan to re-introduce the Apple Rush and Ginseng Rush brands back to the health food
channel and as part of the Livewire/APRU transaction, APRU secured a perpetual, exclusive
worldwide license to market the Apple Rush and Ginseng Rush branded products.
We intend to utilize our International partners to grow all of our product
lines worldwide. It was important in the negotiations to obtain the exclusive
worldwide distribution rights to the Apple Rush and Ginseng Rush brands
and trademarks.
Our consultants have already been contacting former
International distributors of our product and hope to gain some immediate
International market penetration.
We believe that we can achieve larger margins in chewable,
powder, and bars
while recognizing that the margins on drinks are lower due to freight costs and
competition within the categories.
We will look for quarter over quarter results to be positive and
expect significant growth during
the next six to twelve months.
The transaction between Livewire, APRU and the Corr family has not increased the public float
of APRU, which remains approximately 1.5 billion shares.
We realize that the share structure has
grown as a result of the transaction but feel that it presented far and away the best opportunity for
shareholder growth, in spite of the increase in outstanding shares,
and at this time we have no plan to effect a reverse split of the stock.
We believe that Livewire acquired its majority stake in
APRU as an investment and that [color=red]]the risk of those securities getting to the open market is limited
in our belief.[/color] In any event, Livewire is subject to a minimum 12-month hold of its APRU stock
and thereafter is subject to significant volume limitations in selling the stock into the open
market as a result of the fact that they are an “affiliate” of APRU. The members of the Corr
family, as well as any Corr family owned or controlled business, are also affiliates of APRU and
[color=red]]subject to the same significant volume limitations[/color] on the re-sale of their stock into the open
market."
http://www.otcmarkets.com/companyPresentationViewer?cmdId=319
Still can't count it in the outstanding.
"As a result of the conversion of the Preferred Stock and the acquisition of the Common Stock the Company owns 16,310,005,457 shares of APRU common stock representing approximately 77% of the outstanding common stock of APRU."
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/LVVV/filings
8-K May 20, 2014
Counting every single possible convertible share and adding it to the outstanding share total is dishonest and is not a factual outstanding share balance. Otherwise every single public company would have to include convertibles in their outstanding balance. Which as we all know they do not.
Yep it's in the filings. As always do your own DD. You do have to do some math so have your calculator ready.
You say you speak honestly yet your outstanding share number is about 10 billion higher than it actually is. You also claim that a company that's not manufacturing anything is worth the same as it will be when it's up and running. I find little if any truth in your posts.
LVVV stated that they purchased APRU as an investment. You claim that you speak honesty. They did not thank you for trying to devalue their investment with your misinformation.
Good things are coming, have patience. Pay no attention to the negative attacks. :) First off let's address the nonsense rumor of all the profits going somewhere else. It's not even legal to shift profits from one company to another. There are things that LVVV can be paid for such as manufacturing, but manufacturing is not profits, it's an expense. Two entirely different things.
If you read the filings and PRs it's easy to come to some logical conclusions. First, because of the structuring of the Apple Rush licensing deal we can conclude that the Apple Rush product line will be in production soon. You can also conclude from what's been stated and the fact that chews are the area that LVVV has experience in that the Canna Rush, Canna Bliss chews will also be coming soon. With and without caffeine.
So sit back and relax. In my opinion it's all just around the corner.
Personally I see this time period as a buying opportunity.
Do your own DD and make your own decisions.
Well there's obviously some LVVV shareholders that think that the only interest that the APRU shareholders have is bringing down LVVV. They seem to be missing out on the very basic primal reason why everyone is here and that's to make money. I assume the same reason there at LVVV.
Just wanted to make myself perfectly clear. :)
They stated that the last product, concept to manufacturing was 3 months if I remember right (Kanakik). Kanakik and Canna Rush in the chews are very similar products. A similar time frame should be reasonable. With those numbers in mind we should be getting close to seeing something soon. Not to mention that they have to pay a fee if the Apple Rush line isn't up and running soon, so IMO I would expect that we see an update soon.
APRU is in good hands IMO :)
P.S.
I'm not in any way trying to bring down the price of LVVV with these statements.
CEO "Working hard at $APRU building a real company. Read my shareholder letter on otc markets to get a feel for where we are going."
Tony Torgerud @movinfast - Jun 22
https://twitter.com/movinfast
I agree. Someone told me to check out the tweet and I assumed Fuzznbuzz made a new account but I don't think it's them.
Just to let everyone know who is emailing me, I don't have email anymore but thank you all :)
FuzznBuzz Tweet
"AFTER THE HOLIDAYS CWIR WILL GET THE NAME CHANGED!"
@FuzznBuzz
https://twitter.com/FuzznBuzz/status/484391680754212864
Agree, post marked :D
Starting to love the ignore option. :)
APRU
CWIR OHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHH
"MIKE IS KNOCKING IT OUTTA THE PARK"
Agree :)
You're welcome!
Jun 3, 2014
LETTER TO SHAREHOLDERS
http://www.otcmarkets.com/companyPresentationViewer?cmdId=319
CEO ~ Tony Torgerud @movinfast Tweet ~ June 22, 2014
"Working hard at $APRU building a real company. Read my shareholder letter on otc markets to get a feel for where we are going."
https://twitter.com/movinfast