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Well, Maybe you can patent the intellectual rights for your new protcal. Hehe....Best of luck by the way!!
Sometimes I talk to myself also....
Anyone seen this?????
Calypso Wi-Fi-cell patent questioned
Claim of prior art threatens to undermine crusade
By Peter Judge, Techworld
Calypso Wireless, the wireless company trying to charge a licence for any roaming between Wi-Fi and cellular networks on the basis of a controversial US patent, says a service provider is about to licence its technology. However, a report from an intellectual property lawyer claims to have found prior art that would invalidate the patent.
Calypso has claimed the right to charge licences for all cell-to-WLAN roaming on the basis of US patent 6,680,923 issued in January, which covers automated handover between different wireless networks. Now the company says a service provider is "in negotiations" to license Calypso's ASNAP technology.
Calypso would not say what company it is negotiating with. It is most likely a US service provider, although the company says it is aggressively pursuing mobile carriers, not limited to Europe but Latin America, Canada and Asia as well. The claims it makes for the patent, if upheld, would certainly require BT to pay royalties for the Bluephone cell-to-Bluetooth roaming system jointly announced with Vodafone last week.
However, patent advisory firm Patent Metrix claims to have come up with "prior art". The company has found a specific US patent, issued in January 1995, that covers roaming between wireless base stations and the cell network.
"An express statement in the earlier patent talks about automated handover," said Hazim Ansari, chief executive of Patent Metrix and author of the report. He does not claim to have the definitive answer, only ammunition for companies approached by Calypso, who would use the earlier patent to argue that Calypso's should not have been issued, and punt the whole issue back to the Patent Office.
"The Patent Office only has a limited amount of time, so it is natural for mistakes to be made. In the wireless world, the patent office doesn't appear to be sufficiently taking into account the history of wireless communication in evaluating patents submitted."
Ansari has showed Techworld his nine-page report, but asked us not to reveal the details, including the number and owner of the earlier patent. The report is for sale for $295.
Reading between the lines, it may be that Calypso's "negotiations" are to sell its ASNAP technology, rather than licence its patent per se. ASNAP includes a WiFi-to-cell roaming phone, and software to handle the all-important political dimension, linking the different service providers' billing systems, so both get a revenue share
"Why would a [cellular] carrier hand off its client to a [Wi-Fi] ISP, unless there is a revenue share?" asks Calypso spokesman George Schilling. "Multi-billion dollar companies don't want to hand clients away. What our technology does is provide the carrier with the ability to connect and share the revenues."
Maybe, but does the patent cover revenue-sharing? Schilling says it does: "Billing and revenue sharing is in the patent". Then he hesitates: "If it's not in the patent, it is part of the programme." A quick re-read of the patent reveals no mention of revenue sharing.
It's our guess that whoever is talking to Calypso is evaluating its technology, checking out how good its seamless roaming is compared to other offerings, and comparing its revenue-sharing against other billing systems. If it's trying to extract patent royalties from competing technology, we expect it is getting short shrift, though Schilling claims not: "We haven't been challenged on the patent," he says. "If others try to deploy this technology, we will put them on notice. We will protect our patent."
Schilling wants to see a little ASNAP sticker on every next-generation roaming phone, "similar to a computer with an Intel Inside label". Calypso hopes its patent will keep any AMDs out of the market, or at least force them to hand over lots of money.
Ansari begs to differ: "Smart wireless companies will be evaluating deals with Calypso based on its technology, not its patent position," he says. And maybe, behind the bluster, Calypso is preparing to accept this: "When we come out with our phone, it will hopefully be the best in the marketplace," said Schilling.
Doggie or Asnap, Whichever you go by...I am curious as to what your motive is here. You both use the word "diffidently" in your posts. Asnap has used this word several times and you in a previous post to ASNAP. The word "diffidently" is incorrect and I find it too coincidental that two people would make that same error.. What's the story here???
I emailed Calypso at all of the email addresses they display on thier website with some questions regarding future press releases, testing, production info etc. I replied with a request for the last three days and have not gotten a response from anyone...Makes me nervous that they will not even respond to investors questions or even make an attempt to communicate with inquiries!! I will post any info if I hear from anyone at Calypso. Where did ASNAP go???? Wonder if he is connected to the company in some fashion???
P2k, You raise very good points. I agree with your assesmsnt completely. In the modern technology age the opportunities for a company to venture out into the technical wilderness is much dimished from times past and greater competition is the standard in most areas these days. However, all great companies started with a great idea and much work before fruition. I will be patient for as long as it takes while maintaining plenty of DD and constant attention. Thanks much...
Hi Night, You could be right but I think we are near the bottom. I am hopeful for some positive news soon.
Hi CF, I agree. The possible news coming soon should have a strong positive effect. The patent and the related business opportunities associated with that patent will be one of the strongest business models out there. I feel that the potential is huge and as anyone knows with pink sheet stocks, the business model can take some time to materialize. Microsoft was once a Pink sheet and took several years to produce a standard in which the industry adopted. I see some simlarities with the potential adopted standard that could result in the wireless industry. Microsoft was much better at reporting successes and hurdles than Calypso has been. But this company is still basically in its infancy and to wait until it cuts its first teeth may result in such a rapid runup that the best profits would not be gained by those who pile in after the news gets out...Yes there are other standards out there competing with Calypso but not one is based on the standards outlined in the patent that will allow them the versatility that Calypso will have.. I feel very confident!!
Beef?
I did however, purchase several thousand shares of Calypso again today from some info I beieve to be coming within the next week or two. Hoping for a rally of sorts pretty soon
CF99, I beleive Asnap was referring to purchasing ILFB at .70...
I had mine in for 80 cents and had to drop to 76 before I sold a few thousand shares that I had. I hated to do it and lost a bit of money in the process as I have been accumulating shares on the downswing for the last few months. The current news is disheartening and I too see the bottom hitting below 60 cents before any news will emerge. I am not currently confident that Calypso will have any good press in the near future so I will let the run continue down until I see a leveling off before rebuying if at all. The company seems to appear in potential trouble so I am skeptical of losing any more until that low plateau has been achieved. Will continue to monitor and investigate to hopefully see some sucess in the future...
Hi PCLEE, This is fairly standard for companies who are in the developement stage. Calypso has not aquired any firm deals that produce revenue so they are in fact not engaged in any business as of yet. Once the phones arrive and are tested in field trials, a successful outcome will result in a business engagement. At this point CLYW has no revenues since they have not sold any licensing agreements or products yet. Hopefully this will happen in the near future. The prospects of this technology look very promising. The timeframe is still in question. Hopefully ASNAP will call George to share his response to the group.
Wow.Z, I am not sure if Calypso will be there but it would be interesting to get a perspective on Frost for integrity purposes...
Here was a news Release on Frost and Sullivan that I read on E-Trade yesterday.
Frost & Sullivan to Host Excellence in Information & Communications Technologies Awards Banquet
December 09, 2004 12:50:00 (ET)
PALO ALTO, Calif., Dec 9, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Frost & Sullivan will host its 2005 Excellence in Information & Communications Technologies Awards Banquet on January 12, 2005, at the Doubletree Paradise Valley Resort in Scottsdale, Arizona.
The networking sessions and banquet ceremonies will commence with the Excellence in Information & Communications Technologies CEO Roundtable Discussion moderated by Khali Henderson, Virgo Publishing Group Editor. This executive panel will address the challenges and dynamics in the constantly evolving information & communication industry.
The honorees will then convene for a networking reception followed by the Awards dinner and presentations.
At the banquet, Frost & Sullivan will honor companies and individuals with the 2005 Excellence in Informations & Communication Technologies Awards. The recipients of these Awards have identified emerging trends before they have become the standard in the marketplace and have created advanced technologies that will catalyze industries in the near future.
Industries and markets for which companies are being recognized include:
Enterprise Communications Applications
VoIP Equipment & Network Infrastructure
Prepaid Market
Telecommunications Services
Customer Relationship Management
Network Security Infrastructure Protection
Digital Media Applications
Complimentary seating is available to media. Seating is limited. Please RSVP or send any requests for information to Stacie Jones, 210-247-2450, stacie.jones@frost.com.
About Frost & Sullivan
Frost & Sullivan, a global growth consulting company founded in 1961, partners with clients to create value through innovative growth strategies. The foundation of this partnership approach is our Growth Partnership Services platform, whereby we provide industry research, marketing strategies, consulting and training to our clients to help grow their business. A key benefit that Frost & Sullivan brings to its clients is a global perspective on a broad range of industries, markets, technologies, econometrics, and demographics. With a client list that includes Global 1000 companies, emerging companies, as well as the investment community, Frost & Sullivan has evolved into one of the premier growth consulting companies in the world. For more information, visit www.frost.com.
SOURCE: Frost & Sullivan
Frost & Sullivan, San Antonio
Stacie Jones, 210-247-2450
stacie.jones@frost.com
Is it possible for us to obtain a copy of the patent that was filed by Calypso? Not sure if that is public record or not although I would assume it is. It would be nice to place some scrutiny of the details to see or at least get a good idea of its strength......Anyone??
That is my question as well. However, more delays hopefully won't have a big impact on value since the patent hopefully will secure the technology. I have seen several other companies using a slightly different approach to meet the same objectives. I wonder how this will all pan out in the long run. By the way,where the hell is ASNAP???
I appreciate all the religiously based comments and judgements but that should be on another board not an investment board.. Just a reminder...........
Once the wireless industry see's what calypso has to offer then they will realize how great calypso technology is.
That all sounds potentially great ......but after this much time has elapsed since the technological inception of ASNAP,why does the industry not yet know what Calypso has to offer?
I refer back to my last post for this same dilemma....
It appears that the interview is a rehash of the original broadcast. It is frustrating for me to watch George and Ricardo seemingly lack the essential skills to fully articulate the products positive potential. The technology offers better services and uses than Amber alerts and the like. The reduced cost associated with WIFI useage and hot spot activation along with the better bandwidth compared to cellular make the product much more intriguing than the poor talking points of Calypso's front men. The uninitiated will not derive much knowledge of the product or stir much excitement with lay people if their ability to communicate the finer points are overlooked or even ignored. Yes...Consumer interest does drive stock purchases and corporate demand if given proper exposure and potential. Come on CALYPSO!!!!! Get somebody out there who can stir up some excitement and create more interest...sheessshh!!
I am pretty sure that once a story is posted on the internet it becomes public domain and simply providing a link or another route to the posted story violates no laws that I am familiar with....Am I wrong?
But ..I am still optimistic. I feel that this is a very strong technology idea. However, there is a race to implement the method that will create the seamless transfer of wireless protocals. The big players want to create the standard without being slave to a share agreement or paying rights to license another vendor. However, I think Calypso's technology appears ahead of the others and with the demand starting to grow and the other carriers wanting to be the first to grab market share. This could pose a very good opportunity for Calypso and us who own shares.
I am not saying that ASNAP is wrong at all. I am just thinking that if the company is focused and on schedule they have done little to reinforce what is some selling off due to apparent lack of performance and NEWS. Would you expect the company insiders to share thier fear or aprehension with share holders? Would'nt we expect that they would publish some level of progress? I dunno....hopefully we will hear strong news soon...
I'M scared.....
Well...Let's see. The Calypso website has shown that they have already been on World Business Review over the last few months a few times on various channels. Whoopeee....Not much apparent kick from those reports. I am a long termer even though I was going to do some trading with CLYW but decided to hold with great expectations. Expectations are fading and there is no real progress to report. I hear these "my contacts" say scenarios but!!!...Would Calypso rely on getting their plans out via scattered contacts or would they not see the regressing interest in a company not performing up to their own stated plan.If there is no public news of successes soon then there is no news of success period. I own quite a few shares and and hopeful we will learn something positive very soon. But this business about news that is good coming out from the "grassy knoll" is old hat especially since the whole World Business Review thing is a few months old now anyway...Hopefully we will hear great results soon...Hmmmm I BETTER CONTACT MY INSIDE SOURCES $$$$...hehe