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What do you guys think the chances are that the financing they talked about during the last conference call is being diluted into the shares as we speak?
hahahahahahahaha.... fool me once shame on you... fool me twice...
Burn off the stress with a trip to La Jolla.
Weren't the NSF discussions we were having from like 2012? They still have inventory out there from 2012? I don't believe that.
There is money to be made here trading.
You did read the letter from oct of this year? Basically saying that mslp is far outreaching what it should be doing and calls then out pretty much for unlawfully using the nsf mark.
This is far beyond running through the last of the product and might be in the full on negligence area. One of the demands was to recall thier products. RECALL.
I didn't think this was a huge problem when they first were breaking the rules, as my assumption was that they were going to take care of it. I don't think being sued by an organization that is known for labeling products as healthy is the best move... not only in terms of possibke monetary loss.... but the reputation that will come from it.
Lets face it, your track record on predicting the future of mslp has not been stellar.
lol.... nsf back to bite us. They are still putting that on their products? HA.
That seems about as negligent as you could get.
Remember how this board was oft claiming that they didn't need them... low and behold, it sounds like they never stopped putting it on the products AND it looks like they have been applying to be let back in.
Good stuff. Benny hill style.
MSLP brought the unemployment rate down. Pick some up before it's too late!
IMO
Must be the standard 2nd Half of December Bonus time of year.
Overall, however, to date, it would have been much more profitable to short.
You are correct.... I am looking at it from my personal opinion. I also think that varying levels of investors will weigh crap like that in varying degrees of importance. While one investor will get sucked into a positive blog post about a stock, he will just as easily get sucked into a negative blog post about a stock.
At the end of the day... in the long term.... stuff like this IS part of the due diligence, but I imagine it more being like white noise that is playing in the background of a real story. The real story, obviously, is financials, stock price, real news and value.
I would say that article is evened out by the 50 positive tweets that are probably being sent out today.
You do know that anybody can write this stuff for seekingalpha, right?
There are good ideas and some awesome contributors to the site, but generally speaking, it is not news.
Does the article report anything that is not known? Is there anything new that the article brings to the table?
I hope you know that I am not a MSLP cheerleader, but I think we need to compartmentalize fluff from news. This is not news. It is as much a legitamate article as if I signed up to be a contributor at http://seekingalpha.com/page/become-a-seeking-alpha-contributor-new and submitted something.
By signing up for the seekingalpha website and writing something, does it somehow make it different than me just putting it on this site as a comment?
JMHO
Is this an article or a blog post like all the other ones we have seen there? Good and bad articles at that website, I really don't know if I put much weight into them.
I would buy now before they run out of shares.
How is Cocrystal going to buy the company? Is there going to be dilution? What are the risks that Frost and all associated owners (MSLP included) can just bully decisions on the rest of the BZNE shareholders AND all associated parties that really have no say?
Could it just be enveloped into a private company where the average shareholder ends up with nothing?
How do you think all of this is going to come together?
How does this share BZNE deal with CoCrystal impact the 10 milly shares we are just buying?
Does it seem weird that the SAME person/group of people are making these huge moves in a circular motion where basically publicly traded money seems to be moving from company to company to company?
What the heck is going on?
So am I reading this right? BZNE is merging into this other private company.
Do you have a link to the PR?
Does frost own Cocrystals?
When did they invest in BZNE? My assumption is that this transaction is completely outside the Asset purchase they made?
So... maybe I am reading the 8-k wrong and looking for your input on what actually is being stated.
Wow this is interesting to watch.....
So, MSLP takes out a loan from us in the form of warrants to purchase BZNE... whose market cap is likely to go down pretty quick once MSLP buys all of the assets that BZNE has... while probably diluting BZNE (and really MSLP as well). So, really... now that MSLP is owner of the ASSETS that are in dispute as well as the company whose shareholders may be suing the company (who has Frost involved).... MSLP may have a settlement in the works against MSLP interests and may actually prevent MSLP from buying the things that MSLP currently owns. lolololol. It doesn't get much better than this.
My mind is whirling right now and trying to see where the queen is in this game of three card monte!
Maybe it is for the benefit of us all, but I am not as trusting as many of you.
All IMO
Oh yeah... that's right... So the reality is that MSLP never even SEES some of the dollars it is reporting as "sales" It, in all reality, imaginary money that MSLP puts in the books, but never sees a penny of?
Not questioning... just trying to remember the wayback machine and what they have/have not done.
Wait... do they report sales in terms of what bb.com sells it at?
I don't think sales are declining, but it sure seems to be costing more.
They say that efficiency are coming. We will see. My trust in what they say is pretty limited.
Was that before or after the uplist? Or the share buyback? Or the Medicaid approval?
Point being, there is plenty of very significant things that they have reported in the past leading investors to believe that certain things were going to happen... that just have not seemed to come true. Period.
I have never denied that there is not something special about what is going on here at MSLP, but to continually go and spend a dollar to only make less than a dollar is nothing to write home about. Give me 100M and guaranteed I could make some revenue. It seems that they say they are going to do something and then the words out of their mouths tend to end up not true.
So, it appears that DeLuca and Gregory are selling shares and the other new execs are buying... I don't necessarily think that is bad, but certainly makes for some interesting speculation, which I will continue to do.
On one hand, are these hints that the reigns of power are actually being handed over to seasoned boardroom vets? If that is true AND their heads are in the right place for the company AND themselves, I could see this as a good thing.
On the other hand, does this signify Cory and Jeremy becoming disinterested in the company? I am not really a fan of that. Perhaps Gregory does not belong in the boardroom, but he is a dynamic individual who has been the figurehead for quite some time. And as much as I am indifferent about Jeremy, he has some fairly significant ties in the industry that I don't think would be good to lose.
You can talk about how awesome they are all day long, but the reality is that as a long term investment(over 1 year), thus far, the only thing that MSLP has been is stinker. It has sucked. Put into pre-R/S pps prices, a pound of poop is more expensive and valuable than a share of MSLP.
Is there hope? yes. But put that hope in one hand and put the poop in the other... see which one fills up first. At some point, they need to deliver to shareholders something more than hope.
I don't know if I agree with that.... history shows that their guidance is typically riddled with fluff, so if any thing I would look to that as a time where the pps will also fluff.
With a R/S probably already in the works.
That is the old one... the one they announced before the r/s. From the press release. April 2012.
"MusclePharm Corporation (OTCBB: MSLP), a nutritional supplement company focusing on all categories of an active lifestyle, today announced that its Board of Directors has authorized a stock repurchase program of up to 100 million shares of MusclePharm common stock in open market transactions."
Ahh... yes.. stop trying to speculate things... because investing has nothing to do with speculation?
0 basis facts? To support an opinon that they do shady things?
Hmmmm.. once again, that there is an SEC investigation may say otherwise. And because of the company (that is being investigated by the SEC) says that everything is ok, we should just believe that? riiiiiiiight. How many penny stocks have you been in (and don't fool yourself - just because this did a RS doesn't make it any less of a penny stock in action). Right along with the share buy back? Or super secret shares (that they, to their credit, did correct)? Or, if I remember correctly, at one time issuing more shares to somebody that they already had a disclosed deal with ... just cuz?
Or how about that time that they did not disclose sportswear for quite some time and we found the arrangement because of what appears to be the vanity of all the participants? When it sure seems like it was (and is) a rotton deal to begin with? Net profit... lol. Failure to uplist. Reverse Split. Continued dilution.
At the end of it all, these guys might come out to be geniuses, but until I see all the words that come out of their mouths actually start to come to fruition in terms of shareholder value.. I will just keep on speculating. Why would I not speculate when what they say, in terms of shareholder value, tends not to happen. Or did I miss that share buy back and uplist?
It it certainly is my opinion that they have done shady things, but I do believe that there are pleeeeeeenty of facts to help form that opinion. I think my opinion is further solidified by the fact that they are undergoing an SEC investigation and I will believe it is no big deal as soon as the SEC says it is no big deal.
Go to a jail house and just ask how many of the convicts say that they did nothing wrong. And I am not saying that these guys did anything wrong, but those who tend to do something wrong also tend to proclaim innocence.
If I put my money in a stinky pinky I am going to speculate all day long.
PS I am pretty sure some terrible news will come out soon because I am back in. :)
Perhaps it is a mistake?
http://investorpoint.com/stock/MSLP-MUSCLE+PHARM+CORP/insider/GREGORY,%20CORY%20J./All+Types/
Perhaps it is something else. Is he an executive still? I would imaine so, but let's be real about this that the guy appears to be more of a figurehead/facebooker/tweeter than anything else. Are EVPs with less than 5% holdings required to register shares? Does he really even have a seat in the board room? Wasn't there a filing that brought him below the 5% mark a while ago and would that impact his need to file, even as EVP of brand management?
Fact: shady stuff allegedly happens in the ranks of MSLP
Proof: Ongoing SEC investigation.
I do find it interesting that only a few of the sites show these transactions, so I am not counting out that this did NOT happen.
I also wouldn't discount that it did happen. Shady things happen here.
So you have one exec that is buying a fairly insignificant number of shares, while one of the founding officers is dumping a very significant half of his holdings?
The founders have been buying (or giving themselves) shares for a long time here and if that is the gauge to measure security... not so sure it has been working well.
Yet no action has been taken by anybody in the past two years? I am not calling BS on this, but logic would tell me that this isn't a rule that anybody really cares about if it is true... otherwise the FDA would have said something the past several years. I mean, there was many pieces of paper printed in 2011 and not all of them mean something.
In terms of Cory selling.. that IS interesting. He needs to keep on ballin though. I would still be interested in an actual link, as I couldn't find any and I won't believe it until I see it. I am not sure what to make of it. Is it that he has lost confidence in the company or perhaps he is mad(I assume him to be an emotional guy) or perhaps he just wants to ball.
lol... quite poignant and makes me wonder how 'earned' and 'Success' is defined by them? Is working to convince people that they should let you borrow them money, 'earning' anything? If earning trust is 'success', they have done that.
When you earn people's trust based on the notion that they will be sentinels of your investment, with a real hope of taking your hard earned dollars and then hopefully returning it with added value, but then not deliver (to date)... is that earned success? Is it successful to not deliver what investors expect of you?
Is it earned success to be pimpin' your ride on backs of the small guy with a dream that you sell, but have not delivered? Is it success to print money and then go and bathe in it?
The truth is that every single sale that has been made has been possible because of investors. Sure, they have worked their butts off as well and I don't take away from that, but none of it would be possible if investors like all of us didn't put our dollars to them with a certain level of trust.
MSLP is like an oversized marshmallow... it looks huge and tasty, but the reality is that it is mostly air. To date it has never satiated the hunger of most investors.
Well.. the ongoing SEC investigation may end up saying otherwise, but in general, I don't disagree with your sentiment about this specific transaction. Whether it is deserved is up for debate, but none of us should realistically expect otherwise.
And who knows, it could be a bonus to help prevent staff/board hemorrhaging that could potentially being caused by the SEC investigation. I don't really know what these guys do, but perhaps their careers and reputations are being put on the block. Also, who knows, maybe the SEC is looking into these guys too and perhaps for actions that they had no idea about. Perhaps these guys were helping a friend/kid out by being on this board and while the adults were away, the execs did play.
I am not justifying it, but I don't necessarily think we have a full picture.
At the end of the day... we know that they do this. It shouldn't be a surprise and if your money is here you should not expect less. Perhaps you could HOPE and SPECULATE that it is going to change, but history shows that what they released yesterday is exactly what has happened in the past.
All IMO.
And another lockstep devotee has turned. Who is next?
I am interested to see the terms of the new financiers they mentioned that we would learn more about in December.
All I see is dilution a comin.