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Wow, can we cash that check and buy coffee?? No.
Folks it great to hear how wonderful the scientist are feeling about themselves but we have no income and our markets keep getting eaten up by others as well strive towards them. Want a HPV vaccine? Where is our miracle cure for it??
We need a marketing team not run by the current management that goes out and hunts for opportunities for our products. Yin talking with other scientist is great but I would like a superstar marketer talking with AMgen and a US Government.
Get rid of the rap star manager, dump the current management we have, make sure they have no future involvement with the company and lets go.
JJ,
I do not speak with LW in anyway, shape or fashion. I do not make accusatory posts on here to other posters, nor do I challenge and try to discredit them indivdually. You are obviously being misinformed and making an attempt to discredit the obvious things I point out about the company.
Your own post is actually contradictory (see below) in the claim that LW is not happy and was selling but he wants to bring the SP down. It makes little sense if he is selling that he wants the price to come down. If you can please get you stories straight and reorganize yourself to make sense, we would all appreciate it.
P.S. My prediction of us having problems 1.5 years ago only needs to be verified by the chart, I does not need an independent debate or verification.
He is doing everything and anything to bring the share price down but it turns out there are many more buyers than sellers at this point. Your agenda and his are clear at this point. For whatever reason he was not a happy guy at the shareholders
meeting hence my reasoning he is one that was selling.
It's called a reality spin, not a negative spin. The reality is negative, therefore that's how it looks.
The sick part is the one's that hold shares are walking blind and hoping for the best. Plan on the worst when that happens.
That's one of the most obvious flaws at CYGX, we never collect a check when we sign a deal. No money = no deal in everyone's business but here it's par for the course.
This is the main reason we are currently doomed w/ the current people being involved in any way, shape or fashion.
PN,
I still hold shares, just not as heavily as I once did. I Hope for change and an improvement in the current situation, you hope for the best. Hoping for the best in business is the best way to get yourself killed. There is no hope is business, only guided endings that are self-directed by poor planning, bad timing and misguided failure. Those 3 things have haunted CYGX since I started owning it.
Do you feel that I am out of order or that they have created an opportunity for success for everyone? I personally think that with the right people aboard / in charge and a proper focus of our efforts our technology will end up being a winner. The problem is, right now you have a bad patent lawyer trying to be a scientist while watching a chat room board like I-Hub trying to protect his ego and telling people he influences to avoid this place. That in itself shows me a lack of focus and a true inability to differentiate what's important to the company's success and his own personal status.
The people in charge need to worry about the company's daily events, making the marketing team the strongest it can be and keeping the patent office buzzing with new ideas and information they have to decipher 20 ways to sunday. Lord knows if you throw enough ideas against the wall they will have to recognize some of them as valid. A patent is just a way to get acknowledged by a gov. agency as a accomplished point on some idea or invention. The real trick is having the money to challenge and fight to protect the patent and knowing when to pick your battles.
This all falls back to our current leader chasing I-Hub fodder instead of focusing on the real prizes available, market share and marketable people to move product into the marketplace for profit. If he was a great patent attorney, he would of wrote the same patent 20 different ways and let the gov. acknowledge what they thought was a "novel" idea.
The only thing I will miss while this guy is in charge or has any involvement at all with this company is a tax-write off for a loss. If he is involved, this company will be worthless. Bad planning and ego's get you $0 in the real world.
P.S. He does make for interesting conversation when he talks though & has lots of charm, I think a greeter at the door might be a better spot.
I have been talking about problems for over a year now, the sell off was after a firing of a major shareholder and the main connection to the largest individual shareholder this company has. Those things can be deadly to a SP and I am worried about it, I would suggest everyone review that situation as well.
CYGX went up to $1.54 and I thought this is great, we're there. I watched it creep down since then and have been down on this stock since then and I am a bad predictor? Your advising people they should of bought at $.30 because it's $.39 after it was there, does that make you a good predictor? The $.09 gain with a 100 share buy at the end of the day friday doesn't take into account the 60K shares sold before it. Looking at the chart I will safely say your wait until you see what's next is a company derived dream of holding on while friends sell, last one out gets a rotten egg.
VICL is working making drugs and in the marketplace, CYGX is making excuses. By the time we get our stuff in order , VICL will own the market and we will be considered another copycat company trying to ride their coat tales.
SAN DIEGO, June 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Vical Incorporated today announced that the company's licensee, AnGes MG, Inc. reported positive results following interim analysis of data from the first 41 subjects to complete a Phase 3 trial of an angiogenesis product candidate using Vical's DNA delivery technology. Based on the findings that the primary efficacy endpoint in the trial had been achieved with statistical significance and that there were no major safety concerns related to treatment, an Independent Data Monitoring Committee (IDMC) recommended stopping the trial early to prevent potential ethical issues against the placebo group subjects. AnGes is ending the trial and preparing to file an application for Japanese marketing approval.
"The successful Phase 3 results from our Japanese licensee position the AnGes product candidate to be the first approved for human use based on our DNA delivery technology and provide proof of concept for DNA delivery in the treatment of disease," said Vijay B. Samant, President and Chief Executive Officer of Vical. "This novel approach has the potential to address an important, unserved medical need in a significant commercial market. We look forward to further updates from AnGes as they advance through the regulatory approval process."
Lots of long shots being mentioned tonight and just like I predicted the company plays off failure as par for the course.
I told you they would spin it as being turned down is part of the process and with time we will get what we want. Is every road have to go on and on forever? How many times will we hear we have to wait to get an income and be patient? Better yet, how many times will the largest shareholders accept this? Someone is dumping shares in larger quantites and having 60,000 sold and 100 bought is not going to hold the price up forever.
They better come up with some new patents and some real information about an income we can count on. Borrowing and failures are a sure road to bankruptcy. You can call them setbacks but if the government thought we we're so novel we might of picked up one of the 1-20, we got none of them. Going from none to all seems like a real tall order and basically mean that the guy who wrote this was all wet and needs to review this again. How many times does a guy working for the government want to say he was wrong in his judgement?? 0 because if he fails to do his job he has no job.
Folks, they'll rewrite the patent we know that. It will just be in a language that leave cracks in our argument and the door open for people to challenge if and when it gets approved. Don't plan on them reopening the door on the exact same way we wrote it and it gets 100% changed to perfect, it will end up being some kind of compromise.
Please take note a the recent HPV vaccine and our inability to deliver a timely product based on a helping people with HPV. I fear we will be a week late and a $1000 short, par for the course here.
Just remember that failure is not par for the course at a normal business, ever. When failure is accepted as the norm, that's what you will end up with. We're on ~8 years of failure & counting.
They we're so proud of this deal and thought it was a real breakthrough for the company. The way it turned out made me sick and was a sign of things to come. The handwriting was on the wall then but some still refuse to read it.
Arnold, let these boys try to misinform readers here. The more they personally attack and attempt to deceive others with misinformation and get caught, the more credibility they lose.
Last 4 trades, ~60,000 shares sold and 100 bought for $.39 to close on the ask.
Price Size Exch Time
0.39 100 OBB 15:37:51
0.36 30000 OBB 12:43:40
0.36 15000 OBB 12:16:21
0.36 13688 OBB 11:18:42
~$39 versus ~$24,000, humm. People are slowly bleeding their shares off, slowly.
Why bother Hogger, you can't scare, tease, taunt, threaten information from these guys because they have no information to offer. They keep wanting you to prode them to please themselves like they have something over us, it's actually quite amazing.
Let these children play their games, I'll just check to Q reports to get my information and ~$0 is what I'll find. Until the people in charge get replaced and we get reorganized to actually be able to do real business and know how to collect a check we will end up right where we started, low single digits.
We watched this whole scenario set up before with the people you knew and are watching it unfold again. Millions of shares given to uneducated people who held to high a post above their education. They always go back the their stock holdings to support themselves in the end and with multi-millions of shares they will eventually sell their holdings off. If it's done for revenge and anger, they sell much quicker and kill their own stocks value. It's possible that LW, FV, and even MS (who is intelligent, just not a savvy closer) are above that type of action but I feel they will spiral into it eventually. Greed gave them these shares and may take them away, it's a sad but often repeated story.
I personally wish them all the best and hope they find the right way to handle things and take it from someone who had, lost and got it back again in my short life. I learned a great lesson and just wanted to make sure I shared it with them, warn them to be careful. I think they deserve it and have to carefully realize that every action now shows their intentions. They all need to step away quietly, hand to ball to the most competent party and let them run with it to make them rich. Sueing the company is a drag on resources that they personally hated before but now engage in.
Those actions are inconsistent on how to behave after been given such a gift, an opportunity to hold a massive amount of shares of a publically traded company. I feel that they need to rethink what they are doing and let MS have a clean out with what they have, that will immediately change my opinion on what they plan to do. If they continue to press, they will harm their own portfolio but then again that's what the uneducated do. I hope everyone understands what I am saying, especially those that need to act. God Bless us all.
CYGX will be filing a patent application to address that problem in the near future .... as soon as it has the financing ... probably next quarter.
chalk it up to mental masturbation.
That's classic Hogger, I am still laughing.
I'm here for the same reason as well, great news and a great opportunity, I'll buy a truck load of shares. Right now we have squat and have to play I know more than you but I won't tell game & the you wait and see what I know and you are missing game. I stopped playing kiddie games decades ago but others persist.
Give us a reason to buy you serious investors with the privelaged knowledge. Share it with us and let us know what we are missing & about to experience. Educated us poor souls and give us your blessing. If you come up another game or deviant little statement I'll just chalk it up to mental masturbation.
Whatever happens with this stock will not be because of me one way or the other. I am not happy with the way this company has been ran for years now and seen this coming along time ago. If your happy with the current situation and SP, buy up all you can get and go nuts. I personally am sick about it and cannot believe that we are in the mid $.30's again. To be pleased in anyway after seeing this price means you have an agenda and you know what I am talking about, we all know now.
Skooby
Fantasy is looking at the 1 year chart & being positive about which way we are going. You think there would be some larger upticks like previous years but it's basically a steady slide downward. The report out of the SH has been a broken record with the Q statements telling the truth. ~$0 earned and we still managed to spend a fortune.
The SH meeting in a nutshell and I wasn't even there or heard what was said: 90 days til financing, great things on the horizon.
On a realistic note, if someone is going to sell a million or two shares, please post notice just before the order so everyone can get out before we hit the single digits, thanks.
We're stuck at $.36, been there for 1.5 hours, last trade 6090 on a sell.
Why don't you like this cloak and dagger / inside info stuff to a select few who think they know something but are not allowed to talk about it? See a pattern growing there? These are the games people accept to think they have gained some important knowledge no one else knows about but them. What they really don't realize is these games are manipulative little ways to keep fish inline so they can be eaten at a latter point. Here is the motto I listened to for ~8 years:
Best is yet to come and babe, won't that be fine?
You think you've seen the sun, but you ain't seen it shine
P.S. - Nice
You see in the spin world which a few people live in, it's good when you need less because it saves more for later if needed, get it? Good, I don't so would someone please explain it to me.
We now have language that if we fail to get a patent (like we just did), they can go off and sell things to anyone they want without recourse. Legally speaking if we do not have a patent they could do that anyways without recourse. It kind of like getting permission a 2nd time, even though they already had it already. Basically it's to put us on notice that if we fail, they can move the products to someone else.
I cannot take someone serious that can't read these obvious signs of problems on the wall. I wouldn't plan on ETRD (MM) to keep buying 100's of thousands of shares for top dollar forever either. He single handedly has loaded up on the stock and must be planning for a big run. There will be a big run alright, right down the couple of 10M + shareholder(s) underwear after they see other large holders start to dump this stock. When that happens this stock goes in the single digits. Add a negative finding by the SEC & a maybe even a trip back to the pink sheets and we have a below penny stock. Would that hurt any of you guys here at all??
The only time we are going to find out about problems at this company is when we figure them out. They spin terrible news as a change of plans all the time but you can't fake failures forever. Eventually enough failures = a change of management, oh wait we're doing that now.
He's the kind of guy that laughs at a funeral.
Sure, they have a new patent for that as well. Plan on seeing a no on 1-20 with that as well in ~7 years or so. You guys have to be realistic here, we are dead in the water and heading down.
No one in charge, no one at the company that knows how to run it and a chart that look like a double black diamond. Find me some positives that aren't related to fluff or financing dreams.
PN, when you order less it's because your selling less, it's pretty freaking basic here. Your making a positive assumption about a problem of needing less material, I currently find nothing positive about this company.
Thank god we have you and your scientific patent law degree to decipher this decision by the patent office. I think it's the exact opposite situation that without all the parts you cannot have the whole thing. These are all processes and if you cannot patent one part of it, you can be copied by others and that eliminates your reason for a patent.
Spin it anyway you want, we will hear an excuse for another delay at the SH meeting today. It'll be a working process and moving target that with time and money they can handle. It's all BS for more time, take it no other way.
Look at the chart and tell me how wrong I have been for the past 1.5 years.
So to sum all of this up:
We have nothing of value to sell in a patentable form, which dooms us in itself.
We have no way of protecting what we do from a patentable standpoint.
We do not have a legal leg to stand on and enough money to chase down a losing effort if challenged on any of our products.
We have a ongoing SEC investigation.
We have lost 2/3 of our upper level management with the other 1/3 on his way out the door already.
We have lost alot of scientific advisors, they left for a reason as well.
We have a huge majority of our shares held by single individuals who with one hair crossed can bring this stock well down in the penny range.
We plan on starting a building to manufacture something that the kid up the street can make in his cellar and we couldn't legally stop him. (great plan there)
We will be competing with known entities on their business ground and try to overcome them with how great we do things that are not novel. (Silly to even say but that's our plan)
The previous management that was let go, have filed against the company which will mean more expenses with potential for more settlements and stock to be given to individuals that have nearly wrecked our investment and have rampantly pushed to get more and more shares in their hands so it can help the management keep a balanced book of shares if they own alot (OMG did anybody buy that BS?)
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Goodluck at the SH meeting tomorrow and all the dreams they will bestow upon the beloved shareholders. We are obviously the most important people in their mind and they have done everything to further our dreams along. Thank god they called it how it was and always told us good or bad how it was going to go. Thank goodness we have a executive marketing wing that knows the industry and can open any door with a phone call and a talented, sharp patent attorney to lead us to protect territory so the value of investment can grow with every passing day. God bless them all and I wish the all the luck in the world.
Just make anything in italics the opposite of how it reads and you'll see the real story here, just how I feel it is.
Here is some other real issues I have now:
1.) We have a patent attorney in charge that filed these and have been denied what we we're trying to accomplish, so who do we blame for the claim of being novel and how unique we are NOT?
2.) A plant to manufacture our non-patentable products is basically like opening a different version of mcdonald's near another hamburger stand. There are many places that offer similiar facilities and we are just going to open a bigger one to satisfy a need everyone can reproduce?? That's the most horrible business plan I have ever even dreamt of, it's even worse than the phanuel pursuits whopper of a failure.
What other swords are dangling over our heads that we haven't been told about or found out about? Do you really feel that the SEC investigation is for friendship or for potential misdeeds on CYGX's part? Is is possible that we have other skeletons that have been waiting to come out and really crush the value of this company?
I have 0 faith in anything I have heard from this management crew and literally cannot believe one word they have said about anything. They change things and act like it's for the better but it was for a reason, the reason being is they overplayed their hand and have nothing of value to protect or patent. That also explains why they are going out of there way to chase the next headline and find a cure for it because they can just hit the reset button when they fall down on the last thing they tried to do and failed. We never have heard about a bad test or a failure but if it's positive it gets spun on all our paid advertising and in press releases. We even like to rerelease information we already new about and call it something new. Sounds just like how they handled the patent as well. Everyone is doing this and here is a new thing right?? Wrong, it's nothing new and not novel.
We have been running in place for 8 years now and have no patents to speak of, no income to speak of and keep selling shares to buy time until we can find someone who knows less than us with a bigger wallet to buy us off. We are at the bottom of the totem poll and no one is going to pay us for anything that we do because they can just take it for free.
This patent coming in bad is the most likely reason that we stopped trying to become a drug company and are trying to become a product manufacturer for others. They knew they had nothing to hold onto in the pharma field and needed to shift gears. I really don't think that this information was going to be released by the company, which in my mind good or bad needed to be announced.
Thanks for the memories guys, great job at your exit and thanks for the memories. Hope you enjoy all of your worthless options and soon to be worthless shares. Grab your ankles boys and kiss this company goodbye, the dump is on.
I'm sure they'll try to spin this as part of the patent process and that is was expected. They'll cite some extreme case that got turned around and how they can handle it, they'll just need more time.
I've been warning all of you of the problems that are piling up, this just added to that list. We have no novel approach and have no way to make it our own and have no protection from others, we can do the work and they can steal it without worry or concern. What's really sad here is the forward looking thoughts about it being a novel approach are more like wishful thoughts. Who wants a company that wishes more than the shareholders.
Prepare for a big dump of shares from bigger players, that's the next problem coming up. This patent coming in bad is the most likely reason that we stopped trying to become a drug company and are trying to become a product manufacturer for others. They knew they had nothing to hold onto in the pharma field and needed to shift gears. I really don't think that this information was going to be released by the company, which in my mind good or bad needed to be announced.
Thanks for the memories guys, great job at your exit and thanks for the memories. Hope you enjoy all of your worthless options and soon to be worthless shares. Grab your ankles boys and kiss this company goodbye, the dump is on.
We'll call the rap producer and get on the horn with all his stars to move our products by singing. We're then going to decide to do a JV / partnership with the NIH / FDA / Phanuel pursuits / GE and build a mega facility that's bacteria, cancer, staph, strep, glaucoma, mold free. It will be called the "CYTOGENE" (TM).
Everyone can live there worry free and well build it in east asia so Phanuel can feel at home where their market is for all of our products. Our net check from this will be $27.45, if and only if they take the option for worldwide domination, other wise it's ~$0. I would say this is par for the course at our company, dream big and chase the next headline so it takes longer and delays any potential for income.
Let's find people who can stay on course, find a market and exploit it for profit and only branch out when they establish at least one base. What kind of tree grows successfully without a base below it?
What's the definition of survival, borrowing against yourself to have more time?? After being lost for 8 years and rolling out millions of shares, we are going no where fast. Every deal we make, even with our own employees, it equals lawsuits. We supposedly had the FDA's ear and were working closely with them and now they are no where to be found. We are now also going to market our products to places that already have a similiar product with a rap producer leading the way? Does this even sound sane to anyone hear?? Let's ask Mr. Kibbles if he likes it.
I wonder how our rating is from our paid advertising partners. Maybe they can give us a triple A rating or something to make us sound better even though we paid them for it. Maybe the wall street reporter is calling to check up on where their check is. Has anyone even heard of these guys before? Are they related to the rap star producer?
Our inability to do business runs parallel with our inability to align ourselves with respectable, responsible known quantities. The GE thing looked good initally but = ~$0 in the bank so what did we gain from them? It's embarrasing if anything and to even bring things up after all of the hype and over playing of our hands just makes us look even dumber. It's time to gain some new partners at the top of this company, someone who can run it right.
Money making involves understanding on how to make a deal where your actually selling something besides dilution. If they focused 10% of the effort to selling product that they do pitching their stock to the friends of their friends, we'd be on the big board already.
I guess that's why they say don't feed the animals because they will not go out to look for food anywhere else but where the handouts are.
I do recall something like that, that is so funny. I'm suprised we aren't looking for a cure for the honey bee yet, they can use our help as well.
The saddest part about all of this arnold is the same BS that I orginally heard from the people that originally lead me to this investment still is playing on here all the time. It's never really changed and I see there words and phrases in some of the posters posts here and they know who I am as well. I never bring up who they are, nor do I ever plan on it. I respect them for what they think is the right thing to do, pad their investment. They live for this company even though that dedication has lead this investment into a bad place for all. They live for that next shred of news and always hope that this is the big one. I actually feel very sorry for them and all of the people around them that see that they could do so much better for themselves if they just let go of this dream that will not work under the current circumstances.
I know it's built into their culture and they cannot ever let things go, henceforth many of the wars the U.S. is now involved in for no good reason. Letting go of things can be so difficult for them but someday they will look back and say what could I have done differently to actually become successful in my life??
Best piece of advice to follow, Stop counting on losers with not enough business knowledge becoming winners with great negotiating skills. A old leopard cannot change it's spots nor will it ever learn how. Product for money, get the check and the deal is closed. You make a JV, you collect money for the things you give up. If no monies are exchanged, you have a hope of a deal but no deal and no JV. You have an arrangement without compensation, that's all. When we can start getting the basics straight and call things how they are instead of trying to spin them into something they are not we will be heading the right way. With this group in charge we will always be heading one way, down.
Do you feel proud to personally attack me, does it satisfy some need? I personally find it pretty sad and it lacks class. I am not swearing and like all of the discussions here. I just wish I could get a real answer instead of, you'll see and you'll be sorry. That's like 7th grade kids with braces type revenge, I am not into that.
I really do hope that the new excuse for the new delays satisfies all of your dreams, that's what you are going to hear. ALot of sugar and a explanation for the delay, then we have financing and we are going to start a building. It will be amazing to hear it in person and say wow this is great.
Do me one favor when you listen to them talk & answer questions, see if it's an answer or an excuse. I think you will hear alot more excuses than answers. You might even hear about them taking steps to stop people about speaking about the company on open forums, a threat. Anyone who worries about what they really can't control instead of what they can control, has lost control. Use these simple life rules to fill in your day, then find your peace.
I still have shares, not many but shares none the less. I will let you guys go to get snowed and catch the drift after the fact. I unlike some of you,cannot a word that comes from CYGX right now. Like i said, even if you hear things that are coming up, it's all one big dream. Show me bank or it stank, basically knowdge to live by.
Who will be heading that meeting next year? How many more shares get sold to pay for this business plan? Do we have the right business plan now after having the wrong one for so long? Will the inability to know how to collect cash during a business transaction mean that we always will end up on the short end of the stick with these people in charge and their future influences?
Based on history, I have fear and reservations to answer any of these questions positively. You are much braver than I and must know something we all don't, that's the only real answer I can come up with. At least you think you know the answers, the one's you we're told.
I've been watching these trees grow for ~8 years and know how they bloom now, do you? I see your not willing to answer when you will give them until, I expected as little.
Bo peep, your sheep are waiting.
I listened to the interview & I understand what was spoken. It's nearly the same things that I have heard for ~8 years and I have lost all faith. Paulness, I have a simple question for you that I need you to answer straight. How much longer are you going to give this management team to create real value for us? Are you just going to follow blindly and never question what is been said or is being said?
What are these things that are happening that are going to make all shareholders happy? Do you have some special guidance or inside information that we all need to know about? These wait and see what I have type games is a ploy that has been used by this management team before and no longer works on the people paying attention. You acting like you know something and we'll see is being the kid in the school yard type attitude you claim unto others.
Please attempt to review previous announcements and notes from the company and try to make a little more of a rational decision before following blindly. I'm sure they will make some positive announcements in the SH meeting and the SP might even go up but will it stay up with the same lost person in charge?
He knows how to run a business, just not CYGX. This project he took ahold of has been a complete cluster-F. We have no real guidance and have diluted the stock dramatically. We now have a SEC investigation, management that left with Millions of shares (repeating a big mistake that they arrived involved with), a chart that looks like a double black diamond graph, and many promises made, with a minimal amount of them kept.
I personally hate promises that are broken and then no one gets upset after it's obvious we have been misled. It scares me that many more of you don't feel the same way, it scares me into believing many of you are either naive or being manipulated. Either way it's a sad, sad site to see.
You and the rest of the pumpers need to focus on the problems at hand, the stock you hold vast quantities of. I am not the problem, nor do I plan to create any. I focus on the failures of the company's crew and for some reason you like to dwell on people who digress from the rah, rah and attack us personally. I am not attacking you personally, making accusations about your life or your motives for being here except that you hold this stock closely and want no one to bring up negatives.
I cannot see how this company can successfully go forward with the people that have failed to complete their own set agendas. They made timelines and then never kept any of them. They tried to show that the FDA was behind them and working with them but magically we hear nothing further about that and no IND's to look forward to. They spent all this money on killing monkeys and pre-clinical type tests but to this point we are holding a bag of nothing. We keep making agreements without collecting a check, was there really an agreement at that point?
Dropping names without getting paid is a sign that we have been all show and no go. I don't care if President Bush comes and takes a dump at the new CYGX building and wipes with our anti-bacterial wipe before getting a synDNA shot to save his life, because if we don't collect a check when we sign the deal it means 0.
Let's get our heads out of the clouds and get a nut and bolts businessman in there to hammer our products into the marketplace, not these chasing rainbows dreamers and rap star representatives. Check for product / agreement = bank. No money, no deal. Basic to most but not at this company, so let's move on higher ground.