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Latane, thank you for your response. I believe you are sincere and I too would like to apologize for inferring that you may have been anything other than honest in your question. There are so many whose intentions are less than honorable that it sometimes becomes difficult to parse the wheat from the chaff. I think this forum is exactly the right place to ask questions. I think your comment about asking in a more benign way is most certainly the right approach. I believe you when you say the last thing you want to do is hurt the SP or belief in Cytodyn.
I think maybe the difficulty comes, when trying to learn about this company and the drug, from the shear volume of posts here on the forum. The vast number of both solid due diligence and scientific information as well as the vast amount of garbage makes it overwhelming when attempting to find answers to your questions. Even if you've read every post it becomes difficult to keep it all straight.
Like you, I too represent a group of investors (friends/family) in another company in which I'm invested and they rely on me to keep them informed. So, I understand where you're coming from and if it wasn't for having people I can speak with from time-to-time on the phone coupled with sources for information, I would go nuts trying to field the questions and concerns. Even with what I do have access to, it's still challenging. So, I do relate and empathize. Again, sorry for the tone of my response and challenging nature. I would encourage you to continue digging for answers and not be thwarted by blowback. This is your investment as much as anyone else's. Your tone and intent is everything. Good luck to you and all of us. I believe CYDY will get us there as a resolution to the world's need and our own financial interests.
Latane, I would definitely Reserve that Woodford.
By the way, have you tried the Woodford Reserve Double Oaked? If not, it's about twice the price of the standard Woodford Reserve but, in my opinion, worth it. I think once CYDY pops, it might be a nice celebration tool.
I believe your questions have been soundly answered here and I'm glad your blood pressure has resumed normality. I love this group and their ability to dig for alldafacts and their willingness to sharedafacts.
Go Leronlimab
Dr Zaius, hahaha, good catch. I completely missed the Feb 31st reference! Too funny.
Monroe, I would think by simply looking at the total number of deaths for each of the last 5-10 years should give you an idea of where 2020 should be in total number of deaths. Now, compare that to the number reported for 2021 and that should give you an idea of roughly how many more deaths there actually were in 2020 that could be attributed to Covid-19. From there, further extrapolations could be made re: how many people died previously from cancer, HIV, etc. compared to how many are reported for 2020. The question people want to know is how many deaths were attributed to Covid vs how many were attributed to cancer, etc. in 2020 and past years.
Kellerg, fair enough and understandable. That's one of the unfortunate downside results of the short position folks who attempt to thwart this investment. The good thing is that those of us in the know, who have and understand the science behind this drug, know that the likelihood of an FDA approval or EUA, don't really care about the daily shenanigans of the shorts as the long game will win out, assuming the phase 3 trial results go as expected. There is so much known about this drug, it's efficacy and safety that the confidence is extremely high. The unknown factors is, quite simply, whether the FDA will do the right thing or whether the FDA will allow BP's agenda to rule the day.
Having said that, the United States isn't the only customer. The interest in our little molecule is well known and closely followed by several other countries. So, even if the FDA 'drops the ball' there are others waiting in the wings who will gladly pick it up, assuming the phase 3 trial results don't fail us. Regardless of the route we end up taking, selling for United States use first or selling abroad, Cytodyn will prosper significantly and thus we, as shareholders, will profit accordingly.
Sorry if I came on a little strong/defensively in my first post to you but I'm a little defensive when it comes to our group and I think if you stick around awhile and spend some time here you'll soon understand why.
Kellerg2, first, as you've stated, you're new to this board. I would caution you about making an assumption about this board as a whole. I think if you spend the time to really do some digging, you'll find this board, as a whole, to be one of the most intelligent, well-informed and active group of investors I have ever been involved with. There are a few 'bad apples' who have an agenda and in EVERY SINGLE CASE, I see some incredibly insightful, intelligent and well-informed people step up and QUICKLY debunk the ridiculous claims made and the debunking is absolutely 100% solid.
So, before you make judgment about this board and cast aspersions re: whether this board has serious and intelligent discussions, do some more reading. I think you'll find this board to be all you're looking for. You'll quickly learn who to put on ignore and who is worth reading.
I have learned more than I ever thought possible about Cytodyn / Leronlimab and the medical science behind it. Not only that, there are many on here who will bend over backwards to help you if you but only ask sincere questions.
Black-Ops, it's amazing when bullies get punched back in the nose how they tend to take a step back. For a long time we've heard about a lot of generalities with respect to those who are short and who are perpetrating illegal naked shorting for the purpose of illegally manipulating CYDY's values resulting in the theft of money from the unsuspecting / uninformed shareholders.
It's an entirely different scenario when finger pointing in a general direction turns to actual names of said perpetrators. Normally, when there's blood in the water (short attack) one might expect the blood bath to continue because...why not? Then one day, that bully gets poked in the nose and his name is called out in front of the rest of the school, teachers and principal. Now, suddenly everyone turns to look directly at the bully instead of just talking about it between classes and in the lunch room. The bully finds him/herself in an uncomfortable situation and realizes maybe they've made a mistake and pushed one too many times. What will the bully do next?
I'm not saying we won't see more chest thumping and brow beating by those who wish to see Cytodyn fail but I do think we're now seeing blood in the water again but this time, the source of the blood seems to have changed. I think it's about time for the bully to look elsewhere for easier targets of opportunity. They won't just go away forever. They simply change playgrounds after licking their wounds.
Chuckles, yes, but like I said, I already had what I thought to be a pretty good grasp on the short vs naked short issue. That article you posted though went into some additional detail that I hadn't previously heard from anyone, or at least not in a manner that I understood.
In spite of Black-Ops commitment to continually attempt to educate folks on here, I keep seeing people comment about how they can't continue shorting without enough supply. I get the feeling that some simply don't grasp and understanding of this subject matter. This baffles me. How many times do we have to keep explaining that there's an endless supply of NAKED short shares? As I previously mentioned, it's like having a printing press at your disposal when it comes to naked shorting since they don't have to first locate shares to borrow.
The two points made in that article you posted that I then provided in the quoted section of my post spells out in more detail how they do some of what they do and THAT is what I found very interesting. Thanks again for posting that.
The shorts bank on a company's failure so that they never have to cover but when a company appears to be legit and actually makes good then the naked shorts find themselves in a position where their losses can be limitless but longs can only lose what they invest.
Chuckles, although I've considered myself to have a fairly reasonable understanding of legal shorting vs naked shorting, the following two paragraphs from that link you provided explained something I had never heard before and gave me a whole new perspective. Great information....
According to the SEC’s order, the Wolfsons engaged in two types of transactions from July 2006 to July 2007 in violation of Regulation SHO. The first type of transaction – a “reverse conversion” or “reversal” – involves selling stock short and simultaneously selling a put option and buying a call option on the stock. The Wolfsons did not locate the stock before the sale, nor did they deliver the shares when sold or make a bona fide purchase of the stock when required to close out their resulting fail-to-deliver position. They were not entitled to the market maker exception to Regulation SHO because the short sales were not made in connection with bona-fide market making activities.
The SEC's order states that the second type of transaction was a stock and option combination that created the illusion that the party subject to a close-out obligation had satisfied that obligation by buying the same kind and quantity of securities it had sold short. However, the stock was always sold back either the next day or within several days, and the Wolfsons knew or had reason to know that the shares ostensibly purchased in these sham transactions would never be delivered because they were purchased from another naked short seller who did not have the stock either. The Wolfsons entered into a significant number of these sham "reset" transactions with each other and also took the other side of the "reset" trades done by each other as well those done by other market participants.
Wow, great post Chuckles. Thanks for taking so much time and effort to not only dig into this but also for sharing. In fact, that same thanks goes out to all of you who are digging and sharing. This has been some very enlightening information that's been brought forward.
Humble howard, fair enough.
Fair enough then maybe someone who isn't as 'wrapped' may glean something from that.
Show me scientifically where it has proven NOT to be 'perfect' or at least nearly perfect? I've not seen anything perform like this drug with the safety factors included. Please show me where it's failed? I know you're long but why are you also down on your own investment and intent on trying to tear down its potential and hurt other investors? I'm curious....
Humble howard, Apple and Amazon didn't start out the size they are today. It took them a few days to grow to their current size.
Chuckles759, I wish I'd read your post before I posted my response to HH. I think you did a much better job than I did at writing an opposing viewpoint.
Humble howard, although I understand your sentiment at the end of your post re: children who are left "too much" and the well-intended attempt to leave a legacy vs incrementally taking some off the table at various intervals based on a plan while enjoying the fruits of ones labor and foresight, I have to disagree on the basis for your post. You stated that Black-Ops vision isn't close to reality and you did so by comparing Cytodyn to Gilead. Furthermore, you did so under the premise that 'most people are assuming the drug will work for the majority of the uses indicated'. In other words, if I may, you're saying you don't 'believe' the drug will work for those indications. You are doing a lot of assuming here as well it would seem and please forgive me for being contrarian in bringing this up. I do not mean to be insulting or argumentative. I merely want to bring this to your attention that your beliefs are coming from your assumptions and aren't coming from what science is telling us.
From everything I've read so far about Pro 140 / Leronlimab / Vyrologix, it is probably the single largest breakthrough in pharmaceutical history that I've ever seen. Personally, from what I understand from the science, I think the list of indications is still short of what will eventually be discovered, IF it isn't bought and shelved by BP. When you begin to see and understand the potential behind the science of this drug rather than perceived limitations of the company and those who run it, then you might be able to understand the reason behind the big picture potential posed by Black-Ops and others. You stated that our company is too small in its current form but isn't that the case with any and every start-up company, whether biotech related or otherwise? Every company starts out small in whatever form that may look like. With the right product/service the company's form grows with the need. I have zero reason to believe that Cytodyn will be unable to grow as it needs to accommodate the potential growth.
So, before you make assumptions about a company's potential and it's product, perhaps consider the other side of that coin and what might also be possible behind the science. Just my two cents worth and I apologize if this seems like I'm attacking you as that's not my intent.
Bluefish, if you truly wrap your mind around naked shorting then you'll understand that the supply of available shares to short is completely irrelevant. Understand the meaning of the word naked in this context. Think of it like forgery of cash wherein you have an unlimited supply. It's like they have a printing press for shares they wish to sell you.
Where they get caught is when one in a thousand companies actually make it big and have the goods. When that one company, in our case Cytodyn, sees EUA / FDA approval and revenues begin to flow then the naked shorters have to pay the piper. They have ZERO choice and all those forged shares have to be made good, ALL of them. Not only do they have to be made good but then the REAL supply of shares will determine the price at which they have to cover their short position. The market decides what they have to pay to cover and that's when it starts to get fun.
Marksch1, I'm so glad to hear the report on your wife. I know a little about what it's like to go through a serious medical issue with your spouse and it's not fun. Thank you for taking the time to respond to C20 and for keeping everyone updated. I had been wondering as well and was glad C20 asked the question. Take care of yourself too.
C-20, so glad to hear progress has been made.
C-20, thanks for the update. This goes back to advocating for your friends and loved ones that was previously discussed. When lives are on the line, I hope everyone who reads this post from C-20 will remember it and act accordingly to make sure that everything that can be done, is done for their loved one. We have too much evidence in our favor re: LL's efficacy and safety to allow medical professionals to ignore what's available. Our family and loved ones count on us to advocate for their lives. I don't believe the doctors to which C-20 alluded are intentionally trying to do harm. I think sometimes medical professionals allow their own intelligence to sometimes get in the way. Whether it's arrogance, an unwillingness to dig farther because of the pressure they're under from a multitude of directions or what; however, it's clear, for now at least, that we all need to push until we're heard and Leronlimab is taken seriously as the powerful remedy that it is. I believe (my opinion) that the lack of knowledge by key medical personnel, as well as the general public, is a problem that will soon be resolved. I believe Vyrologix will soon be known to the masses.
$5.95akadawson-m, oh, please don't get me wrong. I don't think he did anything wrong either but there are always those looking to put someone in their crosshairs for acting outside the 'acceptable practices' in order to make an example out of them. You're probably right, and I hope you are, in that he'll probably never get hurt by those actions. My comment was to merely state that I hope he doesn't get hurt. In no way do I believe he did anything wrong. I agree with Tradinplaces and the others who voiced their approval. I believe his actions were heroic. I also say that about any medical professional who is willing to recommend the taking of D3, Vit C, Zinc, Quercitin, etc. I wish this had been pushed en-masse right from the start.
Thanks for reposting that. Assuming it's all true, it's a great story. Really makes me happy to hear these successes. Hope the guy doesn't get in trouble for dosing the person.
Marksch1, I've been following all of your posts and most of the replies, as closely as I can and have been thrilled to hear of the progress. Continuing to pray for you and others here who have loved ones, friends or who they themselves have the virus. I appreciate your candidness and willingness to keep us updated. Blessings to you and your wife and may God and LL do the job. I do believe in both.
Tradinplaces, wait, you mean I might be able to take out a loan using my equity as collateral and not have to pay tax on the loan? Who'da thunk it? ;)
Hmm, then I could make minimum payments each month against the loan and use the loan money to either invest more or........
Misiu, I can't say that I disagree with you. We simply have never been involved in a drug with as much potential as Leronlimab....or least I haven't and I doubt many, if any, of the others on here have either.
Black-Ops, let's not confuse folks with facts unless you want to be accused if hitting the sauce. Logical thinking can be construed as magical thinking when the folks around here seem to only be able to see near-term projections rather than the Big Picture long-term projections.
I fail to understand how people only seem to be able to conceive of small dollar amounts with a drug that has such solid science behind it and with that, obvious financial benefits way beyond what they are willing to consider. Leronlimab is just such a drug.
They keep referencing pie-in-the-sky valuations as though they are imminent when I have never heard you say anything of the sort. You have always projected long-term valuations. I am amazed at the failure of some to be able to even consider what's reasonably possible given the number of indications and global demands. I believe folks will look back at this in 10 or 20 years and realize the short sightedness that prevented them from massive returns on their investment.
Hopefully enough have the big picture view that will earn them significant wealth.
Good post TP...and I agree, I doubt they'll be buying @ $20/share.
I'll throw my $5.95 worth of opinion into this. I can't speak for Black-Ops predictions but his sentiment, to me, is sound. He's speaking about 5-10 years and beyond, not in the near-term/immediate future.
If you consider that on the indication of Covid-19 alone, the valuation warrants a MUCH higher PPS than where we currently reside. I don't think anyone with half a brain will argue that point. What is the potential for earnings just on the Covid-19 indication alone? It begins to get kind of crazy when you start trying to do the math at a global scale. Then, let's just add one more indication, NASH, again, on a global scale. Then, let's do the same for each of the additional known indications. Then let's do that again for all of the yet unforeseen indications (impossible, I know).
Obviously, for the other indications to play out, it's going to take time, say 5-10 years and beyond maybe?
The real fly in the ointment is a buy-out. Black-Ops has warned against the danger of a buy-out to our financial well-being and he's absolutely right. If Cytodyn is allowed to simply build itself without a buy-out then we could most definitely see a $1k+ valuation, down the road (say 5-10n years and beyond) but what is the likelihood that we won't get bought out?
So, I could agree and say that there's no way we will get valued at $1k but that will only be because we will never see a build out to that valuation due to a buy-out, in my opinion. I believe Leronlimab / Vyrologix will be absorbed by Big Pharma. Whoever does buy us out, assuming they don't shelve the product, will definitely see a boost to the valuation over time, given all the indications and assuming LL / VL is proven safe and effective for those same indications.
Dieselpro, instead of a $7 close, dare I say, perhaps a $7.95 close? :)
CTMedic, well stated. Once we have the approval and revenues, we are no longer considered low-hanging fruit and post much less of a viable target. There are too many other 'opportunities' out there for the shorts to risk shorting a successful company on the scale we've seen. The majority of the shorts simply move to easier targets.
Dadbrotheroftwins, I can't speak for Black-Ops but if I may share something shared to me by Tradinplaces a long time ago. I once shared with him my similar concern regarding potential competition in the marketplace for another investment in which we are long-term holders. I asked him whether or not he believed another viable competitor could possibly enter the market and what that might mean to our potential. To give a very brief background, we're talking about a unique cybersecurity product unlike anything yet seen in its ability. He reminded me that when Henry Ford put out the first automobile, it was unique and profitable. It served a global need and there weren't any real competitors at that point. Today, there are MANY effective competitors and yet Ford is still very profitable.
The gist of that story is that there's plenty of room for healthy competition. I would argue that there's no way that Leronlimab can meet the need of everyone who needs it right now for one simple reason and that's supply. If there's another drug, like Ivermectin that can help save lives, isn't that really more important? The financial rewards of being an investor in CYDY will, in my opinion, absolutely happen in time. There are far too many people who are suffering and/or dying who need help RIGHT now and something like Ivermectin can make a difference without compromising our potential profits. Also, remember what we've read on here that not every person will respond with 100% efficacy for any one particular drug and that will most likely include Leronlimab. Granted, a large percentage will most likely respond favorably if what little we know re: LL's efficacy holds true in the upcoming results.
In short, there's plenty of profit to be made. Number one concern, heal people and financial gains will naturally follow.
Absolutely spot on Marksch1....
Hitekmastr, makes you wonder as to whether or not Leronlimab will suppress the spread of Covid-19 as well.
I was going to stay silent concerning another respected members post about not pressuring your doctor because it's "UNFAIR" and I can get where he's coming from as a medical professional. But, frankly, if I'm the patient or family member of the patient, my first concern is not the feelings of the doctor and whether it's fair or unfair to the doctor. My PRIMARY and SOLE concern is that of the well being of my loved one. We have to advocate for ourselves and our loved ones. If we blindly follow what we're being told by our healthcare providers without doing our own DD then we get what we deserve. I'm not saying that all the medical providers won't properly advocate for us as well. I believe many, if not the majority really do care but they also can't be expected to know everything. Marsch1 & C20, 'bugging' the daylights out of your doctors and those who are in charge of making things happen is your job as your loved one's advocate if you feel they aren't informed with all they need to know.
Here's the question to ask...is it better to be concerned about whether the doctors' feelings are comfortable and your actions fair or is it perhaps more important to be concerned with the health and safety of your loved one? For me, personally, that's a no-brainer. It also doesn't mean we have to be jerks or insensitive about how we conduct ourselves. There's a right way and a wrong way to go about being the advocate and we should always show compassion in our dealings with others but not to the detriment of those for whom we love and are responsible.
When products like Leronlimab, Ivermectin, D3, Zinc, Quercitin and others have shown to make a difference, why would we not push for them? I know that to some to consider products like D3, Zinc and Quercitin as viable is quackery rather than science but there is way too much out there in the public domain to show the viability. I am also just as sure that many thought Leronlimab wasn't legit early on and now look where it's at. There is no one answer for everyone but a product like LL is certainly a strong contender and should be pushed for, in my non-professional opinion.
I really and truly do respect the poster who brought up the subject of pressuring your doctor as being unfair so to that person, please do not think me disrespectful of you and your position. I can only share my feelings from the other side of the aisle.
May we all benefit from the safe and effective treatment modalities available now and those that would/should become available in the future. Blessings to all of you in the fight for health.
B52T38 and Tradinplaces,
Thanks...appreciate the comments. I have to give credit to Tradinplaces as most of what I've learned has either been from him or another message board in which he and I were involved for quite a LONG time and from someone we knew as "Doc"....
All the best to you and yours. Go CYDY/Leronlimab!!
PNW_Ironman, I'll definitely watch all of that video. I watched the first couple of minutes and it was enough to let me know I want to watch all of it, probably tomorrow. The lady who was talking at the minute and a half mark mentioned "Confessions of a Market Maker" - I remember listening to a podcast with that title, if my memory serves me correctly. I believe Tradinplaces might remember that. I believe he may have been the one to direct me to that originally and I'm guessing it some flavor of that same kind of information. I look forward to watching this. Thanks for the tip on that video!
Black-Ops, I sincerely look forward to that day...and not just for the financial gains I will see but primarily for the good that Leronlimab will do and second for the hurt that the shorts will feel. As you stated, the newer crowd of shorts today seem to have more guts and brains and rely heavily on algorithms. It will be interesting to watch how it plays out and I'm looking forward to it.
Turning stone, I agree that by far the best money to be made is a solid long term investment and many folks such as yourself and Black Ops have done very well for themselves with long term smart investing. I consider myself a novice when it comes to investing/trading. I've only been involved with relatively small sums of money since late 2007. The majority of that time has been in investments. While some of the short-term trading I've participated in has been successful on a small scale, by no means would I consider myself skilled enough to do that on a large scale. The game changes when larger sums of meaningful money is at stake and, in spite of what I've stated in other posts, my own emotions would color my decisions. I'm not an unemotional, cold and calculating trader. I think that's better left to the 'professionals' who do this for a living. For me though, it's fun to dabble in trading with thoughts of grandeur in being able to do so with life changing monies. I don't fault anyone for using or not using charting or for using or not using fundamentals. To each their own...I agree. Everyone has their own risk tolerances and willingness or abilities to learn what they want.
You have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year as well....and may we all remain safe. I'm praying Leronlimab will soon be available to help all of us who may one day need it.
B52T38, the short and dirty answer to your question as to who and why is unemotional Market Makers and people who are purely in this for profit, regardless of who the company is and what their mission is. Remember, emotion plays zero part in their decision making, which is one of the reasons they're successful. I am fairly certain that MOST of the time, they have zero idea regarding the fundamentals of any given company they decide to short. They are primarily looking at technicals for opportunities to short. This is their business, pure and simple. Morality or heart plays no part in their decision-making process. I know I'm painting with broad strokes here and that there may be some who aren't so cold but if there are, they are few and far between and probably either aren't as successful or they aren't in the game for very long.
As to your question about how they can sell shares they haven't borrowed or even own, that's just how the system is set up. There's the right way (legal/legit) and there's the illegal naked short way and that is a HUGE study in of itself. You can read for days on that subject alone. Don't let anyone tell you it's impossible because it's very real and the way it's set up allows those who are supposed to 'protect' us from this type of activity to have plausible deniability. They turn a blind eye and vehemently deny that it happens. There are mountains of evidence to the contrary.