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Borusa,
I guess no one knows the effect the six billion had on AMD's ability to secure markets, but it was money well spent. am i right
Like I said, borusa, all that allegedly "anti-competitive" behavior didn't stop Dell from eventually breaking the exclusivity deals and adding AMD to their product lines.
You can continue calling those deals "bribes," and you can even call them "secret" for all the F I care. You can use that portrayal as "evidence" that corporations are evil and need to be regulated, punished for bad behavior, etc. in order to keep the flow of innovation uninterrupted.
In the end, however, all that happened was that the government and the lawyers got their cut of Intel's profits. So did Hector the Dissector.
Tenchu
Morrowinder,
What exactly do you think was so innovative?
ProfMD,
Are you thinking of the Phase Change Memory?
GB,
Anything can be pointlessly argued.
Chipguy,
What part of "cache memory" don't you understand?
Tim, great post.
I do think there is something uncanny about the accuracy of Moore's Law over the past several decades.
But like you said, there was no magic involved, no hard-n-fast rule that said Moore's Law MUST be obeyed or else "you're doing it wrong."
And like you said, there will be an end to Moore's Law. In Intel's case, the question becomes how Intel will position itself as one of the remaining survivors when the end comes.
But people like to follow narratives, especially the narrative of human progress, specifically technological. Hence they'll make Moore's Law into something more than it really is.
Tenchu
P.S. - "There is no Moore's Law" reminded me of the line from The Matrix: "There is no spoon."
Borusa,
what I mean is that when corporations or other heavily money interest game the system, and put our government/political process in its pocket, it is the individual who loses his freedom.
Ibc,
Interesting that Intel is getting into microcontrollers (IoT). What is the value-add there?
FPG,
AMD's side has only ever won cases, cash, and concessions. Intel's side has only ever lost cases, cash, and concessions.
Elmer,
It helps to understand the "Parts is Parts" mentality.
Tim,
There is no guarantee from Moore's Law. In fact, there really is no Moore's Law.
Wthdik2,
most likely in your desperation to get to 40 million tablet chip goal for the year you became the low bidding vendor for that part..
Wthdik2,
one product cycle does not make for a "partner".
Elmer, I like how the die-hards basically blew off the link you posted and repeated the same myths they've been repeating for almost a decade now.
Meanwhile, even after all of the assistance that AMD got from governments across the world, they are still yesterday's news.
And even though Intel is saddled to a supposedly dying PC market, INTC stock is hovering around 52-week highs.
Tenchu
Borusa,
So much has happened in the law eg, corporations having rights of individuals but no responsibility I could go on.
Borusa, we know that you still subscribe to the silly "Dell bribe" theory.
But do you agree with those who claim CPU innovation has stalled because Intel lacks competition in the market for PC processors?
Tenchu
Unkwn,
Though, it's possible and multibillion company Intel could achieve more if they had to.
Muzosi,
why is it that intel apologists immediately add amd to the conversation when the monopoly behavior is mentioned?
You're kidding me, Unkwn. You think the reason why Intel CPU performance has only improved incrementally as of late is because of lack of competition?
Tenchu
Muzosi,
so that's what you get with a monopoly.
Michael, I suspect Microsoft will quickly reverse course with regard to EOL'ing Windows 7.
Why they continue to act like the way they do, I'll never figure it out. XBONE and now Windows.
If Intel really wants x86 to survive, they should try to reduce their dependence on Windows.
By the way, I tried out Surface Pro 3 at the local Microsoft store. Pretty nice, but the Win8 interface is NOT intuitive at all. I logged into my Facebook account just to see how it runs on the machine, but when it came time to log off, I couldn't figure it out. Not even the Help feature gave me the correct answer. I had to ask a sales rep.
Tenchu
Thanks for the post, Tim. It was very informative.
I've always dismissed getting a Mac Pro for myself because it was too expensive and because I could just continue building my own PCs. Plus I figured I didn't need the server-class CPU power.
But I never thought of the Mac Pro as the mother of all EXPANDABLE workstations. Having a central hub for all your iDevices makes sense as well. Plus it does sound rather convenient to add expansions without having to break out the screwdriver, plug in cards, etc.
Also the photo and video editing sounds like a good reason as well. I prefer doing all of that stuff on a Mac over a Windows PC, but I have not yet transferred my photos and videos over because to me, that's a big transition.
Tenchu
Borusa,
Is it face saving to "maintain deniability" and "move on" at the same time?
Thanks Unkwn. You should repost this to Reddit or some other forum that gets more visibility than IHub.
Tenchu
Robert,
I don't think Google is using a lot of Intel processors for their robots.
Borusa,
My theory is that people in the industry are still resentful of Intel's bullying.
Muzosi, those aren't backdoor mechanisms built into software that is sold to the general public. That's just Microsoft throwing open the doors to their own servers.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Microsoft put in a backdoor mechanism into Windows 8, and they shared that knowledge only with the NSA. That then becomes a potential vulnerability, because it relies upon (a) the NSA keeping their employees from pulling another Snowden, and (b) hackers not being able to reverse-engineer Windows code to find the exploit.
But Microsoft saying, "Here you go, NSA, help yourself to e-mails and Skype calls" isn't a security exploit. Instead, that's just Microsoft handing the keys over to the NSA.
Tenchu
ProfMD,
Are We Overly Obsessed With Disruptive Ideas?
FPG,
Any "security measures" bought/designed/implemented by Intel and Microsoft are absolutely and utterly wasted when they can be undermined by exploits intentionally designed in to undermine them.
Muzosi,
so americans can design a cpu, brits can do it too but russians can't? they just don't have the experience yet. i know a lot of extremely strong russian engineers and if they are given the money and access to fabs and time to learn there is no reason they can't implement, say, the arm isa at least as well as arm.
WT,
However my point was that "open source" products such as ARM and Linux potentially provide much better security against highly advanced state agencies than "closed" products such from Microsoft and Intel.
That is because they can be inspected, modified and built domestically.
David,
99% of the people believe that A7 is on par with Haswell
WT,
It is impossible for Intel to prove to foreign governments that there are no backdoors, killswitches or sidechannels in their products. Even if they were to open up the designs for inspection, there's no way to verify that the chips sold actually conform to those specifications.
FPG,
That's a lot of ducking and dodging the question.
Borusa,
If you insist on having a mouse and keyboard I'm sure there will be a way to plug those in.
FPG, I don't think the market would reward INTC with such rich valuations (P/E of 16 right now) if they shared your view that this bump-up in PC sales was temporary.
(But then again, when you weaken your own argument with "evasive language in italics," you shouldn't expect to convince anyone of your viewpoint, LOL ...)
Can you even admit yet that PC sales were in fact in decline?
FPG,
Because it's been projected that the negative growth of PCs might reverse, to some extent, due in part to replacement of XP-era machines.
Nice to see you posting again, Tim. Thanks for the update on current events.
Tenchu
FPG,
So PCs weren't in decline because Intel's stock price has bumped up over the last few days?