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Belive it or not my friend I wish you much success also, otherwise I would not be posting what I just did. Just go RaRa and be done with it.
That said I'm going off to look at one of my other stocks..they are so secret there that not even the CEO knows what is going on!
I would remind you that your argument is the same one Martha Stewart used. Feds didn't give a damn and off to jail she went. All i'm saying here is that even if something he was told happens to come true he does not need to be buying stock for himself based on that knowledge. What you do or what I do in regards to buying has nothing to do with his buying. In other words he needs to shut his month befor a FED does.
As far as finding out is talking insider info it is really not that hard to find out. I have done it two or three times over the years. Best is to not talk and not brag!
Fortunatly for cerp there is nothing to know or it would be. That in turn would make him a Martha Stewart. I don't think he wants that. Do you cerp?
Cerp,
I spoke with jim a couple of days ago in regards to YOUR SECRET KNOWLEDGE. He told me that he had no idiea as to what you think you might know. Furthermore everything is already public at this time. Anything you might think you know did NOT COME FROM SOLAR3D. That sorta leaves only one other possible source and I would not want to be someone in that company who is giving you information.
I do believe that it is going to be a good investment eventually, just needs a little more time to establish itself. Also they are now going to have to post their financials at end of quarter. That will be when we see the real story here.
Ok Abbott, don't try me. That one was hard to resist!
Gee someone stuck a toe in the water. One share!
I don't like to say I told you so, buuuuuut?
Probably would it you hung it right outside the tower concentrator. Thing is this is not solar panels we are talking about. This is about mirror fields, I suppose they could be smoking mirrors, and a concentration toer or collector. Of course things burn if they are right in the opening, however most birds stay away from bright objects. I'm a birder and I can assure you they don't like bright things.
At the test project in Israel solar field walker once a week walks through the solar field and three times a day walks around the tower. From 2007 to last week Frank said they detected no burned birds, no bird mortality. He sees birds such as pigeons and bulbuls fly through the area.
A bird flying through the air will heat up crossing the concentrated solar beams, Frank explained. A black-colored bird would heat up faster than a white bird.
I repeat myself. Sarcasm my friend.
Sarcasm my friend.
I'v been told that shorts don't operate in the sub penny market. Yes sir got entire lecture about that. Not worth their time they said!
Tfer now listed as second highest looser today. Think thatwill help?
Thats ok. It's always someone elses fault. Right?
True!
Normally I do but feeling ornery this morn. Particuarly since the monitors on this board like to delete my post that they deem off subject and let that one go. However your correct I make plenty of money on this, hoever I do it by not being sucked in on runs like this one is having. It won't last, it will crash either today or Monday. I will be happy if it doesn't but that is MO.
Thanks for advice, but you might want to go back to my post and then to the post I was replying to.
My bad, need another cup of coffee.
I'm sorry when did Singapore move out of China?
Have you considered that their working office is mobile and generally moving from site to site and that the mailbox is there for official correspondence that gets picked up every day and taken to the mobile office? Just a thought.
Could you explain how that is done? I'v never tried it that way! Is it good for you?
From where I sit I believe that tomorrow is going to disappoint a lot of folks. I tried to post a warning that this a classic pump and dump, even gave you the reading material to refresh your selves. Apparently the gods that monitor this board thought I was off subject, so be it there fools everywhere. To be fair this may run good Friday., but then Monday will be a payback day.
I hope that I am wrong, would be ecstatic if I am. I try to stay positive all the time but this is just to good to be true at the moment. This new company has not provided anything at this point to warrant this amount of activity, as a matter of fact Titan has never produced anything to make themselves look this good. Our new CEO has a bankruptcy in his near past. Gives me warm fuzzy feelings, how about you.
I am just saying, wait don't get sucked in and loose your money. This thing has NOT establish a track record of any kind except, the reverse of what is happening now. Beware!
Perhaps a little light reading just to remind us what can happen here. . .
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
PUMP AND DUMP...."..."......YA THINK?
The "night singer of shares" sold stock on the streets during the South Sea Bubble. Amsterdam, 1720.
"Pump and dump" (P&D) is a form of microcap stock fraud that involves artificially inflating the price of an owned stock through false and misleading positive statements, in order to sell the cheaply purchased stock at a higher price. Once the operators of the scheme "dump" their overvalued shares, the price falls and investors lose their money. Stocks that are the subject of pump and dump schemes are sometimes called "chop stocks".[1]
While fraudsters in the past relied on cold calls, the Internet now offers a cheaper and easier way of reaching large numbers of potential investors.[1]
Contents [hide]
1 Pump and dump scenarios
1.1 Specific examples
1.1.1 Jonathan Lebed
1.1.2 Park Financial Group
1.2 Pump and dump spam
2 Short and distort
3 Regulation
4 References
5 Further reading
6 External links
Pump and dump scenarios[edit]
Pump and dump schemes may take place on the Internet using an e-mail spam campaign, through media channels via a fake press release, or through telemarketing from "boiler room" brokerage houses (for example, see Boiler Room).[2] Often the stock promoter will claim to have "inside" information about impending news. Newsletters may purport to offer unbiased recommendations, then tout a company as a "hot" stock, for their own benefit. Promoters may also post messages in chat rooms or stock message boards urging readers to buy the stock quickly.[1]
If a promoter's campaign to "pump" a stock is successful, it will entice unwitting investors to purchase shares of the target company. The increased demand, price, and trading volume of the stock may convince more people to believe the hype, and to buy shares as well. When the promoters behind the scheme sell (dump) their shares and stop promoting the stock, the price plummets, and other investors are left holding stock that is worth significantly less than what they paid for it.
Fraudsters frequently use this ploy with small, thinly traded companies—known as "penny stocks," generally traded over-the-counter (in the United States, this would mean markets such as the OTC Bulletin Board or the Pink Sheets), rather than markets such as the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) or NASDAQ—because it is easier to manipulate a stock when there is little or no independent information available about the company.[3] The same principle applies in the United Kingdom, where target companies are typically small companies on the AIM or OFEX.
A more modern spin on this attack is known as hack, pump and dump.[4] In this form, a person purchases penny stocks in advance and then uses compromised brokerage accounts to purchase large quantities of that stock. The net result is a price increase, which is often pushed further by day traders seeing a quick advance in a stock. The holder of the stock then sells his stock at a premium.[5]
Specific examples[edit]
Jonathan Lebed[edit]
During the dot-com era, when stock-market fever was at its height and many people spent significant amounts of time on stock Internet message boards, a 15-year-old named Jonathan Lebed showed how easy it was to use the Internet to run a successful pump and dump. Lebed bought penny stocks and then promoted them on message boards, pointing at the price increase. When other investors bought the stock, Lebed sold his for a profit, leaving the other investors holding the bag. He came to the attention of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), which filed a civil suit against him alleging security manipulation. Lebed settled the charges by paying a fraction of his total gains. He neither admitted nor denied wrongdoing, but promised not to manipulate securities in the future.[6]
Park Financial Group[edit]
In April 2007, the U.S. SEC brought charges against Park Financial Group as a result of an investigation into a pump and dump scheme during 2002-2003 of the Pink Sheet listed stock of Spear & Jackson Inc.[7]
Pump and dump spam[edit]
Pump and dump stock scams are prevalent in spam, accounting for about 15% of spam e-mail messages. A survey of 75,000 unsolicited emails sent between January 2004 and July 2005 concluded that spammers could make an average return of 4.29% by using this method, while recipients who act on the spam message typically lose close to 5.5% of their investment within two days.[8] A study by Böhme and Holz[9] shows a similar effect. Stocks targeted by spam are almost always penny stocks, selling for less than $5 per share, not traded on major exchanges, are thinly traded, and are difficult or impossible to sell short. Spammers acquire stock before sending the messages, and sell the day the message is sent.[10]
Pump and dump differs from many other forms of spam (such as advance fee fraud emails and lottery scam messages) in that it does not require the recipient to contact the spammer to collect supposed "winnings," or to transfer money from supposed bank accounts. This makes tracking the source of pump and dump spam difficult, and has also given rise to "minimalist" spam consisting of a small untraceable image file containing a picture of a stock symbol.[citation needed]
Short and distort[edit]
Main article: Short and distort
A variant of the pump and dump scam, the "short and distort" works in the opposite manner. Instead of first buying the stock, and then artificially raising its price before selling, in a "short and distort" the scammer first short-sells the stock, and then artificially lowers the price, using the same techniques as the pump and dump but using criticism or negative predictions regarding the stock. The scammer then covers his short position when he buys back the stock at a lower price.[11]
Regulation[edit]
One method of regulating and restricting pump and dump manipulators, is to target the category of stocks most often associated with this scheme. To that end, penny stocks have been the target of heightened enforcement efforts. In the United States, regulators have defined a penny stock as a security that must meet a number of specific standards. The criteria include price, market capitalization, and minimum shareholder equity. Securities traded on a national stock exchange, regardless of price, are exempt from regulatory designation as a penny stock,[12] since it is thought that exchange traded securities are less vulnerable to manipulation.[13] Therefore, CitiGroup (NYSE:C) and other NYSE listed securities which traded below $1.00 during the market downturn of 2008-2009, while properly regarded as "low priced" securities, were not technically "penny stocks". Although penny stock trading in the United States is now primarily controlled through rules and regulations enforced by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA), the genesis of this control is found in State securities law. The State of Georgia was the first state to codify a comprehensive penny stock securities law.[14] Secretary of State Max Cleland, whose office enforced State securities laws[15] was a principal proponent of the legislation. Representative Chesley V. Morton, the only stockbroker in the Georgia General Assembly at the time, was principal sponsor of the bill in the House of Representatives. Georgia's penny stock law was subsequently challenged in court. However, the law was eventually upheld in U.S. District Court,[16] and the statute became the template for laws enacted in other states. Shortly thereafter, both FINRA and the SEC enacted comprehensive revisions of their penny stock regulations. These regulations proved effective in either closing or greatly restricting broker/dealers, such as Blinder, Robinson & Company, which specialized in the penny stocks sector. Meyer Blinder was jailed for securities fraud in 1992, after the collapse of his firm.[17] However, sanctions under these specific regulations lack an effective means to address pump and dump schemes perpetrated by unregistered groups and individuals.
References[edit]
^ Jump up to: a b c "Pump and Dump Schemes". U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. March 12, 2001.
Jump up ^ NBC News staff and news wires (2012-10-24). "The $400 million buyout hoax that fooled many - Business on". Nbcnews.com. Retrieved 2012-12-18.
Jump up ^ "Pump&Dump.con: Tips for Avoiding Stock Scams on the Internet". U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. January 11, 2005.
Jump up ^ Nakashima, Ellen (2007-01-26). "Hack, Pump and Dump". The Washington Post.
Jump up ^ Krinklebine, Karlos (2009). Hacking Wall Street: Attacks and Countermeasures. US: Darkwave Press. pp. 83–180. ISBN 1-4414-6363-1.
Jump up ^ Lewis, Michael (February 25, 2001). "Jonathan Lebed: Stock Manipulator, S.E.C. Nemesis -- and 15". New York Times.
Jump up ^ Wall Street Journal, April 12, 2007, pg. C2
Jump up ^ Frieder, Laura and Zittrain, Jonathan (March 14, 2007). Spam Works: Evidence from Stock Touts and Corresponding Market Activity. Berkman Center Research Publication No. 2006-11. SSRN 920553. Results of this study are also discussed in this article:
"Spammers manipulate stock markets". BBC News. 25 August 2006.
Jump up ^ The Effect of Stock Spam on Financial Markets, 2006
Jump up ^ (Hanke and Hauser, 2006)
Jump up ^ Glasner, Joanna (2002-06-03). "New Market Trend: Short, Distort". Wired (Condé Nast Digital). Archived from the original on February 11, 2010. Retrieved February 11, 2010.
Jump up ^ http://www.sec.gov/rules/final/34-51983.pdf
Jump up ^ "SEC Charges Eight Participants in Penny Stock Manipulation Ring". U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. May 21, 2009.
Jump up ^ Stan Darden (March 20, 1990). "Georgia to OK Tough Law for Penny Stocks". Los Angeles Times. UPI.
Jump up ^ "Georgia Secretary of State | Securities". Sos.ga.gov. Retrieved 2012-12-18.
Jump up ^ "GEORGIA LAW WON'T HURT BROKERS, JUDGE RULES". Deseret News. July 11, 1990.
Jump up ^ Diana B. Henriques (February 16, 2003). "Penny-Stock Fraud, From Both Sides Now". New York Times.
Further reading[edit]
Krinklebine, Karlos (2009). Hacking Wall Street: Attacks and Countermeasures. US: Darkwave Press. p. 402. ISBN 978-1-4414-6363-0.
Robert H. Tillman and Michael L. Indergaard, Pump and Dump: The Rancid Rules of the New Economy (2005, ISBN 0-8135-3680-4).
Sergey Perminov, Trendocracy and Stock Market Manipulations (2008, ISBN 978-1-4357-5244-3).
External links[edit]
The SEC on Pump and dump stock Schemes in 2005
The SEC on Pump and dump stock Schemes in 2001
The movie Boiler Room, a fictional account of a pump and dump company
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Ok, how does this work? You corner the market on all the cheap stock or all the stock, then you start raising the ask and hopefully the lemmings get in line and buy.
What happens if nobody wants your stock? What happens if people refuse to buy because their DD tells them it's a bad deal? Does that mean you just bought the Outhouse?
I totally agree with a move up. Have ridden a couple out of pennies OTC to NASDAQ and they moved up quite well and rapidly. However I don't think that will happen for us this year, although I suppose that will have a lot to do with SunWorks income. If it were I, IMO, I Would be future selling anyone who is really reluctant to install now, or course that requires a really good qualification of the potential customer so as not to delute current sales. Really a fine line to walk, but it can be done. Selling future contracts can add a great deal to the bottom line if handled correctly.
Nice to hear from you every few days. No doubt you are fully keeping up with all of Jerry's activities just so you can keep us all advised. Good job there.
MORE! MORE! MORE! I am loving it!
Perhaps you read but didn't understand the implied meaning of the last sentence?
Still, many are shying away from giving BrightSource the power to build another solar power plant, the Wall Street Journal notes. Instead, some suggest the company follow more conventional, smaller-scale solar methods for energy production.
Check filings
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tfer/sec-filings
Do you always post before you read? The site he referanced isu the " hoffington post" and they did their research.
Hello!!! THANKSFORPLAYING are you here?
Thank you. All you need to do is read to learn, but hey what do i know?
As to the individual who claims it hasn't been that cold there since August, I would suggest that you read the blogs on the Cranberry Towship Patch newspaper, for that matter everyone should read it, and I think you will find that the good citizens there are tired of the winter storms and all the snow they have had. Speaks volumes as to why no further work was done earlier.
Now I know that the nay sayers will jump all over me but so be it. I am not a negative person. I am 70 years of age and have suceeded in this life because I believe. That does not mean that I have not had set backs in my life or in the stocks that I have had over the years. I, like some of you have been burned in the past, and may well be again, but until it happens I refuse to assist in my on burning. Therefore I will stay positive on this stock and refuse to join in the constant bashing. I suggest that you get out if you can't stand it, and that you be quite if you have no vested intrest here.
Off my soapbox now.
Good enough.
Welllll cooooould beee! If you tell me you are going to do something, I sorta expect you to do it, or explain why you didn't. I'm not to much into ego speak. Ya know.?
Ok, I understand what you are saying, however tell me how you determined that. The short report I referanced doesn't seem to make a distinction as who is doing what. Please tell me where/how I can ascertain this type of info. I would like to further my education.
Yes that was nice. Ya know we didn't have cerp pumping us up today. Maybe that's why it was slow.
Ah, I don't quite see what you did today. There seems to still be some of those pesky 3's hanging around yet. What happened?