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LOL! So the largest piece of evidence that the cease and desist letter is authentic is the "silence" from the CSHD camp?
Well, there you have it folks. We have some hard facts to play with now. CSHD has been quiet on this which definitely means the Humanitarian group has pulled out. What more evidence do we need now? The word of a short who's been charged for securities fraud outside the U.S.? NY Post writer who's allegedly been under investigation by the SEC in the past for doing the same thing and has a lawyer that told him to "shut up"? No, no, no. All we need to KNOW that this is true and consise is that CSHD is being quiet about the whole thing.
Thanks for clearing that up, Liable.
Our-Street... If the SEC is investigating CSHD and Mr. Harris, they HAVE HAD MONTHS to investigate. If you're talking a year or better, that gives them plenty of time to get an honest 10k out, eh?
Word on the message boards is that this is a scam and has been for MONTHS.
The other word on message boards is that this is the real deal backed by an 8k filing... so far and the SEC hasn't done a thing.
I'm going with the hard facts rather than Internet speculation from groups that need to cover shorts... as you, yourself, has said.
Why did Stocklemon stop their campaign against CSHD and Mr. Harris? Why don't they use the NY Post or Our-Street as a reference? Certainly, they would use that if it was credible to help support their past "research" against the company.
Our-Street posted yesterday that he speculates that Stocklemon didn't run with anything else against CSHD because their agenda was met, or that their shorts were covered.
Now, what does that tell you about Our-Street?
FWIW - Political message boards was a hobby of mine. I love to argue. And from that, what I learned was that if you wanted a balanced debate, there are some sources you can use for credibility and there are some sources you can use that will support your argument. Our-Street and others posting here use the sources that support their argument and are not verified. To those bashers that are interested in picking CSHD apart, my suggestion would be to stick to the SEC filings and compare against the PR's.
Here we are on Thursday, the day after another PPS increase. Today will be another runner because I have funds that don't clear until tomorrow which means I will miss another great dip opportunity... hehehe
Facts to keep in mind is that the alleged cease and desist letter is NOT verified or confirmed. The only people that suggest it is are:
Our-street - Charged with securities fraud in the past.
NY Post - Has been investigated by the sec (allegedly) in the past and now apparently has a lawyer telling the writer to "shut up".
Comtex PR release - But was released via Our-Street's unverifiable research without any additional verification and can be bought for less than what many of us have in this stock.
Various posters on message boards.
Why would anyone accept Our-Street's word on ANY security/public company/officers when Our-Street himself was charged by the SEC for fraud, has a disclaimer saying U.S. citizens are not supposed to read his material, and lives in Europe?
So the facts remain the same. 8k verifying the Humanitarian Org's bond added to CSHD's Asset Back Management facility worth over 1/2 billion dollars.
To keep this in perspective and to use as a small comparison, PRGX was trading in the low .40's when they completed a bridge loan for a few million dollars and went to 1.20.
Are we at $15, $25, or $50 yet? Nope, we are waiting for the 10k which will include the bond in the 8k and speculating on additional funding/assets to justify a new valuation.
For those interested in facts, here's a good site that explains some of the characteristics of shell companies and the effects of reverse mergers: http://www.shellstockreview.com/ssr-Valuing-a-Shell-Stock.html
This must be my last post of the day so here goes the answer to your question.
Plenty of people have denied that story from the outside. Just like plenty of people have accepted that story from the outside. So far, no one from the inside issued anything to prove or deny it's authenticity. Not CSHD, not the Humanitarian foundation. Everything on it you have to accept from people's postings on this message board.
If that's all you need to prove it's authenticity, would you also believe that I know of a stock coming out with an IPO called ZQTR. And then not use your funds elsewhere because I got a group of people saying it here? You'll just wait?
I answered you. Maybe you can answer for Our-Street:
In YOUR opinion, why do you suppose Stocklemon refrained from using that alleged C&D letter to help progress their "research" in exposing CSHD? You know that they tried to discredit CSHD and Mr. Harris. Why did they stop on 8/9 and not try to revive it again to try to regain credibility on this subject if they thought it was authentic? What is your opinion?
So far, this will be the 3rd time I've asked without a response. All I'm looking for is an opinion... preferably from OS but I'll take your's also.
Our-Street, why do you suppose Stocklemon let up on CSHD and not run with your's and the NY Post's story about that alleged C&D letter? My opinion is that they would have LOVED to further prove their worth with that story right along with you if they thought it to be real. What is your opinion on that?
Our-Street, why do you suppose Stocklemon refrained from running with your alleged letter from the Humanitarian foundation? Seems they would have wanted to use that to help their credibility in "research". What is your opinion on this?
Why do these people keep asking about the price reset before the 10k or audited valuation?
Brand new entity so we don't know but Mr. Rufus gave us a lot to chew on. Did people ask, "Is Google 400 bucks yet?" back when it was trading at 90? Even when Google was issuing PR's with forward looking statements?
Geeze.
No buying support when people are selling = a crash? We know that, serfdom. Geeze.
But what you are deliberatly leaving out is the 10k factor. The PPS reset, IF there is one, will happen after that comes out with an audited valuation. If there is a valuation that justifies a higher price, whatever that is, then people will will buy driving the price up before a reset even takes place.
IF the 10k comes out and it isn't all it's supposed to be, then watch this baby crash. We know this. It's a risk on ANY stock.
Answer truthfully now, why do you continue to leave out the fact that this is all dependent on a 10k and an audited valuation? Is it because you don't know or are you leaving it out deliberately? If deliberately, why?
LOL!!! I'll wager you've been saying that since Rufus said the PPS would reset to 15 bucks.
Low volume on a stock that is sustaining value = people are holding and not selling. That actually gives me a warm fuzzy. And with a low float, if we had an influx of a high % of buying compared to selling, we'd see a mad growth in PPS.
I assure you, the sky ain't falling. I agree it would if we didn't get the 10k before the end of this month but I'll take the verifiable facts on this one compared to the mindless, hopeful?, bashing any day. Hehehe
Riiiiight.
Because there are LOTS of organizations with that kind of capital sending out correspondance like that with cell phones on the letter head in anticipation of high volume calls.
Question for Our-Street: Now you know, stocklemon did an article on CSHD also. Their last "research" on this was 8/9. Since then, we got an 8k regarding a separate bond with more value. Stocklemon remained silent. They are still silent in light of the "correspondance" you said you have with all types of dubious quirks surrounding it. In YOUR opinion, why do you think the Stocklemon decided not to run with that story with you and the NY Post?
By dubious, I mean the following:
Cell number for letter head.
A web domain less than a month old.
A signature obviously photoshoped onto it.
On your page the "sent" fields of the emails you were trading with the foundation showed that the formats are different and the last one deliberately left off the time of the message.
Who got fired for leaking a full color PDF to you?
Why would Humanitarian make arrangements with you to send you the attachment and then latter, ask you not to post it?
Remember GW's claim of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? He had more proof of that than you do regarding the question of this letter being authentic.
PPS is holding up. The only surprising aspect of this is that it took the end of Friday and Tuesday for the PPS to overcome the fake C&D letter.
I read about 60 posts back about the CSHD "story" being stale. I read some pessimists regarding the stock suggesting people aren't interested any more, etc. The only people I've read this from are people who are bashers and/or don't hold positions.
1st - If the story is old and boring, ie, stale, why are they talking about it?
2nd - Why would anyone trade or invest in a stock due to the popularity of the "story"?
This isn't a pump and dump. It's a do or do not. So far, the PPS has sustained with dips between the bash site articles.
Where did you get this info? You have access to CSHD's 10k? Here is some easily verifiable information:
CSHD is a stock of a publicly held company, not a UFO watch organization.
CSHD issued some very positive PR's and an 8K to verify at least part of what the PR's and Mr. Harris has said.
CSHD will do their work independent of Internet message forums.
CSHD may or may not do what they said and that's your risk. This is no different than any other stock play but has gotten more attention than any stock I know of currently.
Our-Street has been charged by the SEC for fraud: http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=22312898&brk=1
Our-Street has a disclosure that states the site is NOT intended for U.S. residents (look at statement number 11): http://www.our-street.com/disclaimer.htm
Our-Street's publisher is located in Slovenia.
Rufus Harris is in Georgia.
CSHD Offices are in Kennesaw, Georgia.
Mighty Mouse inherited the deliberate idiot gene.
Ask after the 10k and an audited valuation of the stock. You'll get a more concise, honest answer to your deliberatly stupid question.
It is September. July 11th was two months ago. "month's ago" = plural. Not counting the months before with FHAL and people were in that due to PR's and such. Even more "months ago".
That's about as clear as I can make the King's English for you.
Contrary to basher belief, those that know and are interested in this stock started buying months ago and to your surprise, those same people don't have unlimited funds to buy every day leading up to the 10k. On that note, the price will be reset after the 10k, imho. They have til the end of this month do produce the 10k.
What can be verified?
<<Entry for September 6, 2006
OK. I spent the day watching a few investment boards and came to the conclusion that we are now in the "conspiracy zone". Many longs, like myself, are working hard to discredit Our-Street. We have Our-Street "supporters" coming up with theories of Our-Street collecting IP's and getting ready to do "who knows what" with them. In other words, nothing has changed except the level of paranoia. Here's some facts to keep all this in perspective:
CSHD is a stock of a publicly held company, not a UFO watch organization.
CSHD issued some very positive PR's and an 8K to verify at least part of what the PR's and Mr. Harris has said.
CSHD will do their work independent of Internet message forums.
CSHD may or may not do what they said and that's your risk. This is no different than any other stock play but has gotten more attention than any stock I know of currently.
Our-Street has been charged by the SEC for fraud: http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=22312898&brk=1
Our-Street has a disclosure that states the site is NOT intended for U.S. residents (look at statement number 11): http://www.our-street.com/disclaimer.htm
Our-Street's publisher is located in Slovenia.
Rufus Harris is in Georgia.
CSHD Offices are in Kennesaw, Georgia.
Stocklemon.com has said nothing about CSHD since 8/9 and that was about a bond ownership they were questioning. Since then, an 8k came out confirming the existence of another bond.
Stocklemon.com has NOT published the fake cease and desist order from the Humanitarian group. One must believe that if the Stocklemon put effort into discrediting CSHD earlier, they would have run with the C&D to promote their agenda as well if they believed it to be factual.
Readers, this is all factual information that is easily verifiable without subscriptions of any type. The rest you may hear from message boards and bashing sites is pure speculation, both good and bad.
This is why it's important to use your own DD.
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http://educatedpennytrades.com/blog.html
The only buying is "forced buy ins" from shorts?
My guess is that there are a lot of flippers watching the RSI and daytrading the hell out of this when volitility is up. You're going to have buying pressure on this at every drop at least until the end of this month assuming no 10k. With a 10k that is as good as the longs expect, look for buying pressure the rest of the year.
BTW - I'm a bit of a student of religion. And I noticed you have a bible verse as your signature. Considering your knee-jerk reflex to post dubious information on your site for your own gains, I might suggest this one:
2 Chronicals 18:20 - 21 20 Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? 21 And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the Lord said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.
That is why the 10K is so important here. We have to have audited valuation of this stock which I believe will be in the 10k. From there, the PPS should go up. IMHO, if we get the 10k and is what is expected (by longs), there will be little need of a price reset. This has a 10k that many on the positive side expect, watch for Institutional buying when this travels above 5 bucks. Hell, XKEM had that and didn't beat .12 with a couple billion OS!
For Serfdom - Forget the Our-Street scanning IP's and trying to match up with posters here. Please do not suggest that IHUB would provide OS with that type of information anyway. You're going off the deep end and haven't even stated WHY OS would even put forth the effort. That's just ridiculous.
And that concludes my last free post today! Good luck.
Kapone, if it were not for Stocklemon, this would have sustained over 1.50. If you have that, people flipping now would NOT be flipping if there was a gradual increase. We were sustaining over a 1.00 until OS posted the bogus letter. And we would have continued up.
BTW, I did buy because of the DD out there supporting a price reset and I had posted on the other board that I expected the PPS to grow. But with these random bash moments, it creates the oportunity to flip and get more shares so that's what happens. We'll recover here in a few days and get back above 1.00 again. Hopefully by then, we will have the reset.
My guess on that was Sept. 11th.
Come on Kapone, when you have people flipping and we are talking a boat load of shares here, of course the PPS will remain stagnant. Look at CLBE and how that one is treated. Especially on a low floater like this one.
To qualify my objectiveness here, I was blasting Tut's posts over on HSM because all he's doing is pumping over there with the cryptic nonsense and no real DD. But the fact that flipping shares is keeping the PPS down and/or stagnant is real.
LOL! What % of his hits are pumpers and what % of his hits were bashers? Since Friday?
How would he pay those that are helping him out sifting through those IP's? Hell, it took a sniffer program and another spy program for the RICAA to sift through individual IP's of those sharing songs on the Naptster network. And you think that OS is going to take a shot? And for what end?
Dude, you bash longs for having faith in Rufus? You have more faith in OS than my 7 year old has faith that there is a Santa Clause.
Yeah, he could get IP addresses. All of them. Then sift through the 100's of thousands of them and do a look up for each one. Then find that about 20 - 30% of those are external IP's owned by the companies that some of us work for. Thats about it.
And if he were going as far as you hope, he would then have to find out who to contact at these companies to get logs of Internet activity by user and find the ones that went to his site. That ain't going to happen though. Companies won't give that info out and even if they did, some of us actually manage the company firewalls so you won't get it from some of us.
Also, DSL providers like Bellsouth will give you a new IP address ever time you log onto your account. Even if you have a router to hold the IP, the IP does renew after about 3 days. So no dice there either.
You really give that OS character a lot of credit where credit simply is not due.
The PR didn't come from Comtex. It came from Our-Street VIA Comtex. And it is only in reference to the letter which is bogus.
Our-Street and his bashers would not get the negative response from the longs if they were honest and offered factual data that can be looked up rather than mysterious letters and secret SEC inquiries which amount to nothing more than negative speculation.
Many longs are offended by this due to the amount of DD that was put into this stock beforehand. DD that is verifiable. At that point, your risk is in whether or not the cards are played according to the business plan.
So jcald believes that after the bogus letter being posted and a price drop of 20 + % in the course of 10 minutes = a NORMAL price bounce.
You are either not watching or are being deliberatly ignorant.
Yes, the office complex exists. North of Atlanta which is where businesses are moving their offices. Realestate in North Atlanta is continuing to boom.
Actually, you haven't proven a thing. Your "research" is speculation only.
So as far as that, both what you know and what I know are speculation. The differences between you and are are more than what you thought though:
1 - I've never been investigated by the SEC. There is speculation that you have and if the SEC is as secretive as you say, then we can't prove that you have or have not.
2 - I haven't tried to pressure a stock down. The only thing I've come close to bashing is with PMED but I was able to back my opinions up with SEC filings, as well as trends, and not negative speculation.
3 - I believe that even if a stock is a scam, filings and the market will handle that over time, giving people ample time to get out with modest losses rather than a huge drop after a negative speculative site that purports to "save investors".
4 - I would never use a bible verse in my signature to act like I'm a xtian to help me sleep at night hoping others who know no better might think I was really trying to help the best interest of the public.
By definition of what you do, our-street = YOUR street and YOUR best interest, period.
The price dropped hard before 3pm from 1.04 to the .80's. It recovered after that to the mid 90's EOD. It did this because of the our-street posting.
Rest assured, if this drops again, there are plenty of buyers waiting... including myself.
I spend my time mostly on HSM. Based on visits from members over there with Mr. Harris, their accounts with meeting or visiting Mr. Harris are accurate according to location and description.
The geography of Conversion Holding's offices in Kennesaw and Lockheed Martin make perfect sense if there are contracts between the two in the works.
I have not driven to Mr. Harris's office in Kennesaw but know that the location exists. Cost for that space is expensive so unless he/they get kicked out, they are doing something to pay the bills.
That's all that I can guarantee;)
Ummm, the PPS already reflected that bogus C&D letter last Friday. It dropped and recovered quickly. The first and easiest proof of fraud is a cell number used on the letter head.
Riiiiight. An organization with that kind of capital used a cell phone number for a letterhead that they know is going to be inundated with phone inquiries. Especially after arranging special delivery instructions to get the attachment past your firewall. And after those arrangements were made, they sent you another message asking you NOT to post it. And somehow during the trading of E-mails between you and the Humanitarian org, the format of the "sent" field changed from XX/XX/XXXX including a time stamp to that of only the day and month in long format.
LOL! You say "speculate all you want" which is all you have on your site right now. Negative speculation.
I live in GA. I'm 40 miles away from Conversion's HQ. From that, there's a great possibility that I know some people that are "in the know" so to speak. I know someone that works for Lockheed Martin in the union also. I could tell you that I have proof that Conversion Solutions is moving forward as planned and post said proof on my website. But I will not play that game with you with my documents. Sorry... my fellow longs don't need it and the rest of you bashers don't get it..
Did you, or will you be posting that letter of confirmation of an "informal inquiry" on your web site? I would have thought that would be the first thing you would have posted.
Actually, people already acted on it on Friday, hence the drop into the 80's. Also, there were plenty of people ready to buy. Some increased their positions without spending a dime. This all put the price right back up into the 90's.
CSHD will probably drop back into the 80's tomorrow but hover there and back into the 90's. Doubt it will drop again like it did on Friday though. That "letter" was too easy to prove a fake.
They used a cell number for the contact on the letter head? Full color copy pdf sent to someone who says their filters block any attachments unless arrangements are made? Photoshoped signature?
I doubt we get a PR to refute that letter anyway. What does Mr. Harris care about an internet rumor mill anyway?
Hey, Our-street... If you propose you do what you do to "protect" investors, why not offer a heads up before you go on an agenda to drop a stock's PPS? Maybe a free E-mail subscription for those interested. It does not help investors when they are caught blind sided by your site's "research" and lose 50% value in the course of an hour or so. Do not suggest you HAVE to charge for support of the site because we know that it could be ad supported as well.
Why does your "subscription" link not work right now? I was just curious how much you charge to advertise a stock bashing campaign.
Looking like some accumulation going on, coupled with some buying pressure. Based on the last few PR's, we may be getting some news shortly.