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SLJB also registered with the EWPA, as a manufacturer:
http://www.ewpa.com/TWPmanufacturersList.php
Scroll down right side to Ontario, Sulja is there.
Point is, there is still undeniable legitimate valuation to this company, and they are registered, licensed, and operate daily. Seeing as we DO NOT KNOW AS YET what contracts have been made overseas and are thus speculating, and also in turn realizing that we are dealing with a legitimate local business that has been operating for close to 25 yrs, I for one ask why in the world would anyone throw that daily income and close-to 25 yr reputation all away, simply to perpetuate a scam that they would certainly be caught out on with the obvious paper trail they left? Doesn't make sense... I still firmly believe there are other outside forces at play here, and much like other small businesses have found over the past few years, it is a difficult corner to be backed into by these vermin who prey on them, and an even tougher one to fight out of.
http://www.advancedsmallbusiness.org/positionpaper.htm
Mistakes certainly may have been made along the way as a newborn startup publicly-traded business, yes.. and certain "affiliated" individuals may indeed have been less than honest and could possibly be prosecuted before it is over,sure, but I still feel the company itself is trying their best to do the right thing for us shareholders and to also expand their business horizons, legitimately.
Thus, I continue to hold. JMHO, GLTA
Recent SLJB Ad-- hiring multiple positions--AND THIS FROM THE WINDSOR STAR, even! LOL, how ironic...
http://workingwindsorjobs.canada.com/texis/jobsearch/details.html?id=461b655249b770&qMiles=100&a...
Job Title: GENERAL HELP
Employer: Windsor Star Ad
Source: Newspaper Ad
Location: Windsor, ON Canada
Date: 04-11-2007
Job Description
Description: SULJA BUILDING SUPPLIES LTD. P.O. BOX 759 HARROW, ONTARIO N0R1G0 Building Supply Company with multiple locations has immediate openings for an experienced D-Z Driver, Boom Operator and Yard Persons. Fax, mail or email resumes Attention: Yard Manager. Fax: 519-738-9079 accounting.suljabros@primus.ca
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Business seems to be continuing on daily, and doesn't seem to be hurting much if they are hiring mutliple positions... Go SLJB! JMHO GLTA
It's about time! GO SLJB!!!
The possibility exists, certainly! Until all facts are out, we simply do not know the true details--- speculation and ensuing allegations from that speculation are currently nothing more than that, period. And make no mistake, Government agencies have been wrong before too...especially with regards to things at this level and when they are blindsided and in turn pounded with requests for investigations to begin, all by the well-organized criminals playing these stocks like a fiddle, those who have only their monetary interests in mind. Companies get hit all of the time in this manner, and some do indeed get investigated:
http://www.rgm.com/shortselling.html
http://www.advancedsmallbusiness.org/positionpaper.htm
I could keep cutting and pasting, but you get the drift....JMHO GLTA
The dilution of stock to the detriment of shareholders is certainly NOT a fact, that is simply an allegation.
Another couple of FACTS while we're at it--the company continues to conduct business daily, and is open to daily trade in the USA, even after all of this time that has passed since the big drop.Hmmmm...
One would certainly think that IF things were "as obvious" as some would have everyone believe, the SEC would've followed along with the OSC in short order, no?
IMHO I think the hedgies have been playing games all along with this stock, since way back when LFWK was at .40 and they beat it into the ground then, and have held it down ever since, like so many other stocks like it---Read this, if you haven't already. Enjoy:
http://www.advancedsmallbusiness.org/positionpaper.htm
As you can see, there are MANY gremlins, trolls, and scumbags running around at this level, so things are almost never what they seem to be here in pinkyland. Best thing is to do your own DD, and make your investment decisions from there. Thus I hold... JMHO GLTA
Re-read my post. "both CANADA, and LEBANON.(where Sulja is based, and where they have stated they have made a recent cement deal.)"
CANADA is where they are based, and LEBANON is where they have stated they have made a recent cement deal. I didn't think it was that hard to interpret, but maybe so..
Thanks Jerry. Go SLJB!
Correct. All simply speculation, just like 95% of everything else that is posted on this board.
I just thought it would be nice to see some positive speculation for a change.
Thanks for that info bowlingo. As mentioned it was speculation, and there is alot more digging to be done...
Interesting developments from Emaar released on March 11, with both money and focus in 2007 being put into both CANADA, and LEBANON.(where Sulja is based, and where they have stated they have made a recent cement deal.)Thought it to be interesting:
http://www.emaar.com/MediaCenter/PressReleases/2007March11b.asp
Dunno if this has anything to do with Sulja or their previous statements of meetings with Emaar or not, but I'll bet it would be easy to find out if one had an inclination:
http://www.emaar.com/Contact/international/
The fact that I also saw in the recent trip pics from Aiyrs and Scorpio a sign entitled "Habib Homes" was another interesting piece, especially considering that they were in Harrow, Ontario. Could there be a ME connection there?
All very interesting.....Money being put into Canada in 2007 by Emaar.....hmmm......more speculation...JMHO GLTA
Airys, GREAT post! eom
Wow, SLJB getting alot of attention even on a sunday and thru the wee hours of this fine Monday morning--- broke a new individual posting record too I see---38 posts thru the day on sunday, and 11 posts from midnight until only 2:30 AM! Congrats on the new record! I myself am a SHAREHOLDER and cannot imagine posting that much without major news.
Wonder how many we'll see today from everyone, hmmm... I suspect this board is going to start to heat way up, back to #1 in no time. JMHO GLTA.
That is absolutely correct.
Also don't forget about the SHO changes coming April 2nd.(you mean you didn't get the memo?) LOL. Go SLJB!
Good post Frost....yep I think it's safe to say that anything that comes out now will definitely be "on the up and up". JMHO GLTA
From a shareholder perspective, I like this one better, a repost:
http://www.advancedsmallbusiness.org/positionpaper.htm
or, how about this one:
http://www.rgm.com/shortselling.html
Shareholders are naturally supposed to be positive about their investments, because positive attitude brings positive results, and if they are not happy with their investment then IMHO they should sell and move on. All others obviously fit into the categories depicted in the two links above.
Enjoy. JMHO GLTA
Well we won't get into the pumping of chests to see who's going to come out the Alpha male here, but I can assure you that my credentials speak for themselves and are every bit as full as anyone elses' on this board, and also that my DD is not flawed IMO. We will see what develops, and we will believe what we individually believe until then.. But throwing accusations at me as a shareholder, or the company itself, IMO serves no purpose to anyone other than those who are specifically here to see the stock fail to begin with.. JMHO GLTA
Putting the cart before the horse here....Question: WHY would anyone want to be here to begin with if they did not hold shares of the stock, or were very interested in purchasing them? And especially to warrant placing more posts per-day than any of the actual shareholders?? Because they care about us avid investors? Because they are having fun with their "hobby"? Pshaw.....
You know the answer options as well as anyone:
1) They are paid to post
or
2) They are disgruntled former SLJB shareholders who sold due to the fear created by the drop.
Either choice holds exteme prejudice vs. the company, and will not offer a fair assessment with regards to anything posted on this forum. JMHO GLTA
Make no mistake here IF the company itself is found guilty, I will be standing right beside you. However, WE DO NOT KNOW WHO IT IS THAT IS PULLING THE STRINGS YET. Therefore, I will not speculate. I've been around long enough to fully realize that down here in the pinky stinkhole, nothing is always as it seems, as much manipulation is being administered at all times.
Once the investigation is finalized, THEN we will know who to hang. Until then there is absolutely no logical and/or honest reason to beat the company into the ground. Period. JMHO GLTA
It matters to me because I am a shareholder who has a vested interest in this stock, unlike yourself. Also-- How can you guarantee anything like that,(that you know more about this stock than I do) when you do not personally know me or what I do, or the depth of my investment philosophies of due dilligence? Answer: You cannot. JMHO GLTA
No, I didn't. It was a general observation directed at no individual in particular. JMHO
I rest my case.
Many of those who post non-stop have more than once stated that they do not hold shares of this stock.
JMHO GLTA
Watching closely right along with you cm3i. It's going to get real interesting, real soon IMHO, tho we may not see everything for awhile.. Long and strong till the end here tho, that what "longs" are all about! JMHO GLTA
No, you are reading me wrong--I am certainly not a 'manipulator' of the stock market or investors in it by any stretch of the imagination my friend, and make no mistake I do not take kindly to any accusations of such either....I am very comfortable in my own skin as an honest investor and reputable businessman...I do NOT screw people over, nor get paid to do so---reputable businessmen do not stay reputable businessmen for long with such tactics--- Unfortunately I cannot say the same for some of the vermin here who do. In fact the only "manipulation" you will ever possibly see from me is when I find out for certain who definitely IS doing the 'manipulating' of my money and stock(s)....then the possibility is of course there of a little 'manipulation' of the infidel in return favor, to my complete satisfaction of course. lol. JMHO GLTA
I find nothing "funny" about people who try to manipulate my money (or stock PPS) for their own amusement. (or benefit) Those types need a good old fashioned can of whoop-azz opened up upon them if you ask me. JMHO GLTA
Survey says---BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, Wrong answer!
IF people were not believed to be induced by what other people say, do you think these people who are here trying to save us but who own no shares, would be? JMHO, GLTA
The I-Box info was an all-important feature that every serious and interested investor could gain pertinent info from. Lots of info that each person could make an informed decision FOR THEMSELVES as to whether or not they want to invest in SLJB. Tons of stuff compiled from many months, both good and bad mind you. That is part of what this board is "supposedly" all about if I'm not mistaken, correct? To have a place for all of the found DD? To have it "suddenly disappear" with no pittance of regard for it's recoup tells me that there is alot of things going on behind the scenes, and it's not by SLJB either in this case. Ihub would be best served to stop the all too obvious negative biasm and baloney. I for one did not come here and pay for membership to watch this board be decisively manipulated the way that it is. JMHO GLTA
Wait till it gets closer to friday, they will really be pulling all of the stops out, LOL!
Long and strong here, win or lose. JMHO GLTA
Coach-
Ditto that back to you. We are all individuals, even tho many would like all to "be like Mike" so to speak and choose the same path as themselves---makes life easier when you know everyone thought exactly like you did, that builds self confidence and gives a sense of security, a "strength in numbers" type thing.
However, yes... we all have the power to make our own decisions, and this is definitely a case of agreeing to disagree. Nuff said, I agree. We will all see soon. Good luck to you.
Sorry Coach, but we DO NOT know the truth---not yet anyway. As a businessman and SLJB long who has also played other stocks and markets, I know that sometimes "things" are not always what they seem to be, and they are not always "black and white". Sometimes they are in fact "devised" to look a certain way for others benefit. Not saying that is what happened here, but also not saying that the posibility isn't there for it to be something along those lines, either. FACT is, we don't know. We won't know until we are allowed to know either... that simple.
The only FACTS we know are:
1) The PPS took one major plummet on Nov 16 in a very short period of time, one so short in fact that I have to seriously question whether the company itself could pull it off..
2) The OSC halted the stock in Canada and is investigating. The SEC did NOT halt the stock in the USA, but is also investigating, has been for some time now. The SEC also recently halted 35 pinky stocks in a major crackdown---and low and behold-- SLJB was not one of them.
3) No-one in the management of SLJB is running away anywhere, and the company business goes on daily. They are doing shows, expos, etc., and are also finalizing ME deals they say....yes, just as they previously stated in their PR's. Everything is "locked up" tho with regards to this info during the investigations, so we again "do not know yet" whether they have any, or not..
4) Lots of people panicked and sold on the drop.
5) I wasn't one of them. I bought in back when it was LFWK, and have watched this go from .40 to sub penny back up to 20.5 then down to sub penny where we are currently, and guess what--- it doesn't take Mr. Wizard to figure that it will eventually go up again.... unless the entire company is found to be a sham of course...
And in all honesty I suspect that if it was, the SEC would've shut it down long before now..JMO
People saw the black and white version of what was happening, made their own assumptions, feared the worst, and they sold. Can't say as I blame them as it's been a stressful, nail-biting time for all... but FACT is, we don't know who to blame (if anyone) for it all--- yet.
Whether some of the main characters do come out dirty or not, the blatant obvious to me is that it still doesn't mean that SLJB will go belly up....and that is why I continue to hold regardless. IF the company already have some of those UAE or Lebanon deals landed and in-hand, and then they add more along with expanding and making larger contacts and profits in Canada, I see no reason why the company will not reach an upgraded exchange (or exchanges) over time... and that means one thing to me---profits for us long shareholders.
Let's think back a bit....
If you asked anyone about the stock SONS in late 1999 and if anyone thought it was going to "go large" on the Nas, people would've thought you were truly daft. But in July/August of 2000 it did, and there are many a millionaire made today because of that "little" company in east po-dunk, MA. I honestly see SLJB in the same light--- They have enormous potential IF they are not trying to pull a fast one, and IF they play their cards correctly. IF they are cooperating with the OSC and SEC and everything falls into place with regards to the investigation, and IF ANY of the past deals are true(remember even Ramada stated that they had in fact spoken with SLJB and tried to work out a deal, so there is little doubt that SLJB were/are indeed working to do so, whether they ever did or didn't sign a contract last fall) and it is revealed to all soon, then we are all systems go Houston...no doubt about it.
Again, I am sorry for those who lost on the drop due to fear, but again, FACT is, nothing is "concrete" (excuse the pun) just yet.... on or around the 23rd will hopefully be the beginning of "true facts" and company transparency for all. JMHO GLTA
Sorry for your loss Metro, however nothing has been stated to date that Petar or anyone else has unequivocally been found GUILTY of fraud with regards to SLJB. Therefore, everything is hype, hearsay, and speculation until then, and in all honesty you have no-one (yet) to blame but yourself for your 90% loss. Simple truth is that no-one (or few anyway) knows who is actually to blame and/or how this is all going to play out, so I for one will be !#*!#!# if I am going to be the one that is going to flush 90% of my own investment down the toilet, WITHOUT KNOWING FOR SURE! You may think that it was a good move to bail when you did and maybe it will turn out to be that you are indeed correct, but there is a 50/50 chance that the stock will recover too, and that chance is IMHO better odds than DEFINITELY taking a 90% loss on a guess. Even if it is an "educated" guess, it is still a guess nonetheless. Nope, not 90% by my own hand, never, no way.
Again, I feel sorry for you and others who sold due to fear, but that shouldn't mean that you or anyone else who lost should beat up on the company, it's management, it's PPS, and in turn the remaining shareholders, just cause you're pizzed that you pulled the trigger when you did. I reiterate--- WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE... IF it comes to pass that you were correct and Petar or whomever are at fault for it all, I will be the first to step forward and say so and file suit right along side the rest of you...but again, I have to play it thru until I know the solid and easily verifiable, TRUE facts, and I currently figure a 50/50 shot at profit is better than taking a 90% soaking from my own hand before the real facts are known.
I sincerely hope you can recoup your losses on another stock, best of luck. Have a good weekend everyone, 6 days and a wakeup! JMHO GLTA
Strong words. Tell me tho, how do you suppose we gain the knowledge of a "straight from the horses' mouth", factual answer, when Bernie himself is not available until next week because he is out of town? Any associate worth his salt is not going to let any cat out of any bag, he will let Bernie do that himself. Sorry, I ain't buying it. Next week we will find out, until then it is all hearsay and speculation. JMHO GLTA
If you actually did some yourself instead of simply beating the stock into the ground at every turn, you would know, wouldn't you? (By the way, you're welcome for the money made on my reply) Have a great weekend!
Quick rant here---
Honestly I cannot believe the amount of deceit, backstabbing, and blatant criminal activity that we are seeing with regards to not only this stock but the entire trading system and the messageboards that help to "play it" to the fullest. I monitor some of the other boards and it seems many of the posters have all gone daft in their attempts to "save" everyone from the "boogeymen"--- amazing how that even tho we are all adults (for the most part anyway ) some still think that we are not capable of thinking for ourselves when it comes to our OWN investments, or anything else for that matter.
Simply put, I for one do my own DD, and there is little that anyone can say or show me that will change my mind as to what I already think about this stock or the direction I will take with it, other than the release of newly updated and pertinent , readily verifiable, FACTUAL data. I am an investor with a personal vested interest, yes, who reads multiple anonymous messageboard systems that are chock full of paid to post crooks and spies, along with the few other "regular Joe" investors like myself. Forgive me all if I do not wish to get all tangled up too deep with everyone on a personal level not only here but elsewhere, but until I know for certain who is who, and who is sincere and who is not, well as the saying goes I've learned the hard way over the years to trust no-one until that trust has positively been earned. If you've ever saved my life or bled for me, or have been family or friend for many years, then you are of course entitled to a free pass....
Make no mistake, I do know there are those here and on the other boards who, like myself, are honest, hardworking people just trying to make an honest investment dollar. We will soon see how this whole thing will play out and I personally think it will be a positve outcome---otherwise and obviously, I wouldn't be here...still cannot figure out why those who think differently are...oh, wait, that's right, they are paid to post....
I sincerely wish all of the honest investors here (and everywhere) best wishes, "prost", and a thickly padded portfolio! To those who fall into the "other" categories, always remember that you are dealing with those who you do not know nor what kind of background(s) they have, and attempts to screw with some of these people (or their interests) could in fact create situations that would not be, for lack of a better term, "beneficial". I do believe we will eventually see a clearing of the skies with regards to the markets as a whole, and much cleaner investing opportunites should prevail. Counting the days there....
OK, rant over, had to get that off my chest. Have a great weekend everyone---14 days left till (hopefully) the start of a new beginning for SLJB. GO GREEEEN! JMHO GLTA
Don't see it now. They would be on it already with the other 35, plenty of time has passed for an initial action determination. JMHO GLTA
Gary mentioned FLIGHT STAMPS in his article, and that is plural, not singular.It does give firm individual confirmation tho that Petar has indeed been in BOTH Europe and the UAE, and that one UAE date he saw matched the dates of the Al Reem announcement. If you want, you may even want to try asking RCMP Investigation Supt. Don Panchuk some further in depth questions at (519) 640-7267, tho seeing as the investigation is currently ongoing with the OSC, you probably won't get much from him or the original interviewing officers Sgt. Darrel Nay and Corporal Gordon Aristotle. If you really want to get creative, you may also try speaking with customs to see how many trips were actually made----they now keep records of all individuals' international flights on file, and make everyone fill out both E-311 declaration forms as well as the 8-2200-336 questionaire upon return to Canada... but then again you would need to be someone of rank (or know people in such places) to be able to get such individualistic information. Good luck.
JMHO GLTA
Do some DD. eom
Here's a couple of thoughts to your questions:
If they "mis-stated" on some items to get a needed boost for the company itself to better position itself for a nasdaq run (or something similar) WITHOUT "losing" or flat out swiping any assets,(which no-one knows exactly what happened yet) altho not morally sound,wouldn't that benefit not only the company, but the shareholders too, especially if those calculated moves turned out to actually bring significant value to the company and stock as was previously PR'd? Sure I agree in that IF they ripped shareholders off and stashed the monies offshore they should all be tarred and feathered publically and sent to bunk with Bubba for many years, or worse.... Unfortunately I do not know all of the ins and outs of it all YET, and frankly, neither does anyone else other than those directly involved. So it seems silly to me to continually speculate/argue pro/con, as it doesn't help to settle anything because no-one knows yet. As far as the company stating so many things in PR's and having NONE of them having any substance at all, well I simply cannot believe that after doing my own DD over the past year. There have indeed been many contacts made and at the very least ATTEMPTS at dealings made by SLJB in Europe and the ME--Ramada acknowledged it, and even the RCMP themselves stated that PV's passport had many recent Europe and UAE stampings on it. Without getting too deep into my DD, that alone ties in to the fact that at least they were indeed there and trying to land some deals, not just sitting around basking and screwing everyone around them as some would like us to believe.. I also believe that some of those deals made and revenues collected will eventually come forth as assets earned, either during or after the hearings as evidence, or in completed AF's, as previously surmised. IMHO this story goes far deeper than what any of us are seeing here on the surface, and that is yet another chapter that will also be revealed very soon. IMHO SLJB themselves, altho not without fault, did not singlehandedly cause the stock to drop dramatically like it did on Nov 16. No, there were other forces much stronger running the ship that day, and eventually I believe all of that will also come to light, again as previously stated.
The deck is "stacked", yes, you certainly have that correct, has been for months... since the price was nailed from .40 down to sub-penny during LFWK days..
Bottom line: Believe what you will and so will I, do your own DD to have no doubt about your decision as it certainly helps you feel good about your investments. We will see soon enough how it will all pan out, as the clock is definitely ticking. Win, lose, or draw, I'll see it through. This is simply too good of a soap opera not to. GLTA, JMHO