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Seriously were up 12 percent right now? Id be thrilled if this stock hadnt lost 80 percent of its value overnight. Sorry to be such a downer its just every day I keep setting myself up for dissapointment. Considering this sucker plummeted 30 percent on false information that was cleared up I expected to at least get that back, and god forbid management actually give us the PR weve beeen needing so badly I was thinking this thing had a chance to make significant headway back in the right direction today.Forgive me for not being to excited about 12 percent at where we are right now.
Was counting on that big pre market shareholders letter, great, guess they are content just letting us bleed. Take your time APT its not like your stock is in a death spiral and you have panicked off most from the stock.
They need to hit us with the big PR. This thing has gotten to where it goes down if there is dilution and it goes down if there is no dilution because no one is trusting these guys at the moment because until they clear things up they look like your normal dilution machine. It seems that simple to me which is why ive been clamoring for that shareholders letter all week. End the suffering.
Hell I have no idea, this deal is so confusing no one really knows.
Personally I have no idea, just doesnt feel right that after the two weeks weve had people should be all that thrilled about 5 to 10 percent, for gods sakes were at half a penny right now!!!Also it sounds like not many are expecting that big news bomb that everyone was so sure would come by no later than today. Oh well lets see what the day brings I suppose.
Whats with all the posts on here about just hoping for a 5 to 10 percent green close? Am I wrong or should the correction from the huge misunderstanding today alone not correct it way more than that? Im no pumper and I hate outrageous claims but has this shareholder base been so beaten down that after 5 straight absolutey awful, terrible days and the stock down 80 percent in less than two weeks were going to be happy with a just barely close green? Dont get me wrong that is certainly preferrable to another raping of a day like weve been getting, but come on really? Isnt this thing do for a huge reversal at any point from a technical standpoint? I get not trying to be overly optimistic it just pains me to see all of us just praying not to get beaten down to bad today after all the blood shed weve endured, sounds like defeatest talk. Dont know about you guys but barely closing green today after what weve endured lately will not exactly leave a good taste in my mouth for the weekend. Just my opinion.
So B earlier this week you said you felt very confident big news either wednesday or at the latest Friday, still feeling confident in that? Again im not trying to call you out or anything so dont take it that way, there has just been a lot that has gone on since tuesday when you said that so I am interested to gauge how you are feeling about that now. I would absolutely love it, but I just dont know what to think or feel anymore here, this thing has gotten so much worse than I could have ever imagined that its off my radars now and I have no idea what to think or feel.
Can you fill me in on this? Im new to all this but every since this arse kicking has started taking place every day we have large T-trade buys. I know this cannot be just a coincidence right? Shouldnt this be a good sign? Shouldnt it also not be aloud as it seems to obviously be a manipulation on the days pps?
Im a long and im still here. Lord im almost just numb to this whole thing now, I guess its just a defense mechanism because im tired of getting so mad and irritated about this whole ordeal.
Glad to here that all of that was just misunderstood information that caused that massive panic. I think if anything though this just show what some have been saying about how fragile the psyche is for the traders in this stock now. We all feel pretty betrayed and now even harmless news gets turned into a huge panic. I really really wish management would come out with something to calm the storm. I dont know what that should be but we need something from them that lets us know they are not just using us as ATM machines.
So Ive been busy most of the day and am pretty much just now checking in...whats this thing about 5 billion shares? Was there more news out today? How in the world have we almost traded 300 million shares today?
Im not blaming you for anything bud calm down. Im simply stating through all of this you have been there biggest supporter and even through the toughness youve only had great things to say abotu them. Well id like to hear what your take is now, thats all.
Hell I wish this thing was turning out to be a typical penny stock. These pricks have turned this into something far worse than that. I swear I dont know how this company with real products managed to F up so bad but you almost couldnt burn this thing to the ground any better if you tried.
What I dont get is doesnt this really really hurt this companies public image pretty severely? I mean most of these scams dont care because they dont have a real company, but unless the scam of all scams has taken place this is a real company, after doing something like this though you would think there public image would be absolutely ruined.
Im not trying to be a jerk but I feel like you answered your own question there my friend. At this point screw waiting for ticker change!! This stock cannot hold up a few weeks for ticker change, this dang thing will be hovering close to very bottom by then.. IF the kind of shareholders they are looking for are the bottom feeders who would buy in at such low levels just to take a chance on flipping it and making a buck or two then by all means do it. They have already pretty much run off all the stockholders that would have been solid and long, there may be a few of us left but even we arent exactly happy customers right now. Even if they somehow get this thing turned in the right direction this stock now has to start completely over with its shareholder base, most all that will be attracted to this thing now are the shorts looking to make a quick buck. We will have to completely purge this stock again to try and get it back to a solid foundation of .02 or so. With all do respect I totally disagree with anyone saying they should wait on meaningful PR until ticker change.
Me to brother, me to.. My average share cost before this thing started spiraling was .0081, then i kept believing all the riff raff about this being the bottom or no way we go below this and kept buying from .016 all the way to .013 until my average ended up at .0101. My fault for listinging to all these arse clowns who kept acting like they knew something when they really didnt know SH#$#.
Sure would be nice of them to give us one of those irons dont you think? If ever there was a time to use one of your aces in the hole to save your stock now would be a good time, in fact days ago would have been an even better time. Oh well I sure hope your right.
Kudos to you for not being an emotional trader fubar1, however not being a little emotional about your big stock losing 80 percent of its value in less than two weeks with no end to the death spiral in sight is beyond my abilities. Im holding and have been but I gotta tell you at this point it just feels pretty hopeless, I would love to hear why you truly believe this stock can ascend from the ashes?
Your right they are a real company with real products that look to be real up and comers. Thats why I still cannot believe this nightmare we are in. Its not about any of that, its about the fact that it appears at least on the outside to becoming clearer and clearer as to their purpose in going public, and that was to let all of us who thought we were going to be part of their company instead just be their personnal atm to pay off their debts. The thing that is still leaving such a sour taste in my mouth is that they have let us languish in this for far to long. If their intentions were to try and build a firm base of longs here they would have issued something by now of great substance, im not talking about a fluff PR, they have had ample time to give us reassurance from this fire storm and they have not, it really seems that simple to me. I cannot figure out why such a good looking company would choose to act like such a two bit piece of Sh#$# scam stock but that is exactly what they have done, hell ive seen obvious dilution machine stocks with no substance behind them hold up better than this sh#$#$ storm of a stock has over the last 2 weeks. I am just in absolute awe of how this has all gone down. At this point im not sure that anything can pull this stock out of the fire, but im also not sure that management really cares to as im starting to really beleive they just went public to use all of us to quickly pay off their debts. No one forced me to buy this stock or continue to hold it straight into oblivion, does not mean I have to appreciate what they have done here to me and many others.
I sure hope this thing at some point gets turned around because im still holding every share ive ever bought of this stock, but its getting very hard to think positive thoughts about this. Does it not seem to come off as cold and rigid from the company when they file these 8k's right now? Yes they are doing everything by the book there, but it comes off to me as cold because they know what a firestorm they have created here and they are just sitting there only filing the stuff they are required to file. I still take issue with them not releasing the letter to shareholders by now. Hopefully they do it tomorrow and all is well, Guess we will see.
Thats what im referring to Johnny, I want that dang letter to shareholders thats going to lay everything out there for us, reassure us that this is temporary and that they plan on moving forward with some strong stuff in there like reducing float and whatever else they can throw in there to save this thing!!!! Enough is enough!!! If they are interested in saving this stock and using it for anything other than there own personnal dilution machine to pay off their debts they would get this out NOW!!! This has gotten out of hand and dont tell me they did not know well before us this was coming...So why have they not done everything in their power to get this out to us by now????? I mean sure there could always be some good reason for it that I do not understand but man I gotta tell you from where im sitting every day they let us sit here and bleed like this without that Whammy of a PR to right this ship, the less and less faith I have here, and I gotta tell ya id really prefer not to be a bagholder after all is said and done:)
This is what ive been asking this whole time. All anyone can say is do your DD or know what you own. Well from what we can all see everything looks great, but this whole thing with Iron leads me to believe there is much more going on than we can see on the outside. There is just no way a company that was as good and up and up as APT is presumed to be would enter into this kind of a deal. You do not make a deal with the devil unless you have are desperate. Dangit I was really counting on a PR of substance today from them, I guess they are content letting us bleed out.
I definetly agree with everyone about cleaning up the debt. I think thats a great move and needs to be done. Im just having a hard time believing they had no choice but to do it through a group that is known for tearing a stock to pieces and taking everything they can from it. Im no expert and have no idea but I just cant believe they had no choice in the matter. That is all im saying.
Nope as ive said im certainly not selling now. It may be a dumb move and classic mistake but there is no way i play on selling this stock for a loss, if I didnt sell at .027 and make a nice bundle im certianly not going to now. Thats on me and if I end up a bag holder then so be it. I am putting my faith in the company and that management steps up and rights this ship. Doesnt mean that until they do im not going to be a little critical of what they have done to the stock so far.
I know you have and me and everyone else on this board greatly appreciate it. I sure hope you are right because as ive stated im still long here at 1.9 mil averaged in at .0103 so would be good if you were. And just for clarification my analogy to yours was not that APT are the crooks, rather that iron ridge is.
Where in the world do I blame anyone for making me buy shares or not take responsibility? I bought this because of the DD I did, no one made me buy this stock, not sure what makes you think im blaming them for making me buy it?
Yes but im not going to buy a house from the biggest crook in town who is known for taking advantage of the house buyers and their families.
I have done my DD and the company looks like a great company with great products, however doing your DD makes you this much more suprised that this could have ever hit back down below a penny. Be honest did any of you guys who have done your true DD think it was possible to go back this low? My guess would be no, because they blindsided us with this toxic dilution. Doing your DD is one thing but companies can always get you with skeletons in the closet. So yes I do believe this is a good company and has absolutely no business being at a sub penny or even a couple of pennies....My DD tells me this thing should be at .05 PPS right now, thats why I find it prett disturbing we are sitting here at under a penny. Sorry but until they prove they are shareholder friendly I have to believe whats been put in front of my eyes and that is they absolutely are not. They have managed to let their newly public company share price burn to the ground when it really looks like it shouldnt have been that hard to keep this thing at least in the 2 to 3 cents range until major news. So yes ive done my DD and I hear what you all keep preaching but at the same time it seems fairly obvious that even when DD is done these companies down here can severely burn you. I pray that management gets this thing turned around very soon but until then ill beleive what I see placed in front of me and that isnt a pretty picture.
This was my biggest fear. Confidence is now completely lost at this point and nothing short of amazing news is going to get this turned in the right direction. Ughh im pretty new to this but man I keep thinking about how this all has played out and I just cant believe there wasnt a better way for this to be handled.
So bsdv what are your thoughts right now? You seemed to have high hopes for this date because it was the date the original merger was supposed to be done by. I know you also said perhaps Friday but I got the feeling you were banking more on today? In my opinion with the current circumstances it would have seemed much more likely for them to drop a news bomb pre market to get us out of this horrible downward spiral if they had anything newsworthy to give us today. Do you think they are going to drop something good on us after hours today or now do you pretty much think Friday?
Thats the thing I dont understand. Im not saying they should have paid the 2 million out of their own pockets ( Though that would not have been a bad idea if you ask me ) But if this company is as standup and profitable as everyone says then there had to be a better option than to get into bed with these known criminals. It reeks of desperation to me, why else would you make a deal with the devil?
Management needs to give us some info ASAP IMO. Until then we are all just grasping for straws and none of us seem to have any real idea what the heck is going on, all we can see is the PPS getting wrecked day after day after day.
Oh so we are back to another 5 day number now huh? Weird I thought there 5 days were over this past monday...now its next monday? Whatever im not saying I have any answers but I wish you guys would stop with this.
I was just thinking to myself how great it would be to close above a penny today...then I realized my goodness how far and how quickly has this thing fallen? I would have absolutely never guessed this thing would even come close to testing below a penny again. All bets are off now, I truly have no idea what to expect but desperation starts to kick in when I find myself just hoping to not close red even after this thing has lost 70 percent of its value in less than 2 weeks already. I hope the APT management team makes me feel bad for saying this but as of right now these so called geniuses who care so much about the shareholder have done nothing but burn us royaly.
This is what happens when you burn the shareholders to the ground right out of the gate. Just as I feared even if dilution is done without groundbreaking news no one is interested in taking a chance on these guys right now because they have done exactly what everyone down here in penny land does there best to stay away from and thats dilute. They need to get this shareholder letter out ASAP!!! Not Friday but today.
Not sure what the criteria is for along here but ive been in for close to 3 months and have accumulated along the way and have yet to sell a single share. So if that meets the criteria than im still here.
Why are you so sure there is a shareholder PR coming either Wednesday or Friday? Why not possibly Thursday?
ughh I don't know how some of you eternal optimists do it but im starting to have a hard time waking up every day and being happy about asking myself the question " Gee I wonder how many thousands of dollars im going to lose today!?!?! I hope its just a few!! Unfortunately at this point id rather just ride out the storm and pray for something groundbreaking from these guys than cutting my losses. I hope that doesn't turn out to be a mistake, but its getting harder each day to believe that it isn't.
So are we now starting to make excuses for if the financials aren't amazing like everyone here has been touting for weeks? Not trying to be confrontational but all the sudden that's what its starting to sound like.
I would love to see a green close though seems that might be tough. Im halfway kidding here but does anyone else think it might be more appropriate for that first picture on this page with the APT staff to have them all holding up both middle fingers and having sleazy smiles on their faces:) Sorry I know that's rude but these guys are starting to really irritate me.