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Clinton first linked al Qaeda to Saddam
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The Clinton administration talked about firm evidence linking Saddam Hussein's regime to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network years before President Bush made the same statements.
The issue arose again this month after the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States reported there was no "collaborative relationship" between the old Iraqi regime and bin Laden.
Democrats have cited the staff report to accuse Mr. Bush of making inaccurate statements about a linkage. Commission members, including a Democrat and two Republicans, quickly came to the administration's defense by saying there had been such contacts.
In fact, during President Clinton's eight years in office, there were at least two official pronouncements of an alarming alliance between Baghdad and al Qaeda. One came from William S. Cohen, Mr. Clinton's defense secretary. He cited an al Qaeda-Baghdad link to justify the bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan.
Mr. Bush cited the linkage, in part, to justify invading Iraq and ousting Saddam. He said he could not take the risk of Iraq's weapons falling into bin Laden's hands.
The other pronouncement is contained in a Justice Department indictment on Nov. 4, 1998, charging bin Laden with murder in the bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.
The indictment disclosed a close relationship between al Qaeda and Saddam's regime, which included specialists on chemical weapons and all types of bombs, including truck bombs, a favorite weapon of terrorists.
The 1998 indictment said: "Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."
Shortly after the embassy bombings, Mr. Clinton ordered air strikes on al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and on the Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.
To justify the Sudanese plant as a target, Clinton aides said it was involved in the production of deadly VX nerve gas. Officials further determined that bin Laden owned a stake in the operation and that its manager had traveled to Baghdad to learn bomb-making techniques from Saddam's weapons scientists.
Mr. Cohen elaborated in March in testimony before the September 11 commission.
He testified that "bin Laden had been living [at the plant], that he had, in fact, money that he had put into this military industrial corporation, that the owner of the plant had traveled to Baghdad to meet with the father of the VX program."
He said that if the plant had been allowed to produce VX that was used to kill thousands of Americans, people would have asked him, " 'You had a manager that went to Baghdad; you had Osama bin Laden, who had funded, at least the corporation, and you had traces of [VX precursor] and you did what? And you did nothing?' Is that a responsible activity on the part of the secretary of defense?"
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040624-112921-3401r.htm
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Area History
Las Vegas, New Mexico
Living in Las Vegas, NM is like living in history. In 2001, Las Vegas was named by the National Historic Trust as one of 12 distinctive destinations for travelers.
The pivotal moment in the history of Las Vegas was the arrival of the railroad on July 4, 1879, changing forever the destiny of Las Vegas. With its arrival came legitimate businesses; but as was typical, it also brought a large number of frontier ruffians.
Among the "who's who" of Las Vegas were: the dentist Doc Holliday and his girl friend Big-Nose Kate, Jesse James, Billy the Kid, Wyatt Earp, Mysterious Dave Mather, Hoodoo Brown, Rattlesnake Sam, Cock-Eyed Frank, Web-Fingered Billy, Hook Nose Jim, Stuttering Tom, Durango Kid, and Handsome Harry the Dancehall Rustler.
Las Vegas has had it's share of the famous and the infamous-President Teddy Roosevelt and the Rough Riders, Doc Holliday, and Billy the Kid-came to town to recreate the Old West long before the movie makers.
More than 900 structures in Las Vegas are now listed on the National Register of Historic Places.
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Salmon Creek
From north: 71 miles / 115 km / From south: 19 miles / 30 km / MON 2/3
• Scenic Vista
• Hiking
• Fishing (river and ocean)
Willow Creek Picnic Area
From north: 62 miles / 99 km / From south: 28 miles / 46 km / MON 11/12
• Restrooms
• Picnic Area
• Scenic Vista
• Coastal Access
• Fishing (ocean)
• Surfing Carmel River State Beach
From north: 0 miles / 0 km / From south: 90 miles / 145 km / MON 72/73
Information 831.649.2836
Open to the public from 7 am to 10 pm, but the parking lot closes at sunset. Dogs must be on leash and are not allowed in the bird sanctuary.
• Public Transit stop (seasonal)
• Scenic Vista
• Coastal Access
• Fishing (ocean)
• Fishing (lagoon and river, in season only)
• Swimming
• SCUBA
Andrew Molera State Park
From north: 22 miles / 35 km / From south: 68 miles / 110 km / MON 51/52
Entrance Fee: $3 / Information 831.667.2315
This is the area's largest state park, though much of its area is accessible only to hikers, bicyclists, and equestrians. See Hiking the Big Sur Country: The Ventana Wilderness by Jeffrey P. Schaffer for more information.
• Restrooms
• Camping: State Park Campground
o No reservations accepted (first come, first served)
o group camping available
o no vehicle access; walk-in only
• Picnic Area
• Scenic Vista
• Hiking and running: 20 miles of trails
• Bicycling - Bike trails: on three trails
• Horseback Riding
o Molera Horseback Tours 831.625.5486 / 800.942.5486
• Coastal Access
• Fishing (river and ocean)
• Swimming (river)
• Surfing
Plaskett Creek Campground
From north: 59 miles / 96 km / From south: 31 miles / 49 km / MON 13/14
• Restrooms
• Camping: US Forest Service Campground 805.995.1976 / 831.667.2315
o Except for groups, no reservations accepted (first come, first served)
o Group camping reservations 800.280.2267
o User fee $18 per night; hike and bike camp $5 per person per night
o RVs permitted
• Scenic Vista
• Coastal Access
• Fishing (ocean)
They are the best eating salmon, the guide from last year called me a couple weeks back asking if my brother-in-law and I wanted to go again.
Too many places to go and too little time, I really don't want to go to the same place twice. This summer I want to drive up to Big Sur in late July with the family, camp and fish for salmon. I went through Big Sur on my way home from hog hunting with pre and was exceptionally dazzled, even for California.
I've been thinking this year's fishing trip is going to be a "wake up in a tent in a mountain redwood forest cliff over the pacific ocean", trip. One where we fish for salmon then fry salmon all night with family and friends, an old bottle of whiskey, a good smoke (kids are in bed in the tent already) a million stars and stories and poker till the crickets stop chirping.
B-)
Judd, Kings?
AK,
Since we’re talking numbers; we are at war because 3000 of our countrymen were butchered on American soil.
Since we are talking numbers, 3000 Americans dying in American in one hour is more than the combined total of the entire Israeli and Palestinian death count since the intifada began four years ago.
Since we are talking numbers America has lost less than 1000 soldiers in our two wars since 911 which is a historically unconscionably low number of deaths.
Today 30,000 Americans might have died if America did nothing and "terror acts didn't reach a 21-year high in '03". American soldiers are fighting terrorists in other countries because the alternative is Americans dying in their homeland.
Question AK, can you name a single American who died in America during this 2003, 21 year high in world-wide terrorism?
It's no coincidence a "D" follows this woman's name. These numbers are the numbers of Liars, dam liars and statisticians.
Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., who had questioned the initial report, said yesterday that the new version omitted terrorist attacks committed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and she said that the administration thereby "con-tinues to deny the true cost of the war and refuses to be honest with the American people."
Happy B day One. B-)
If you put great credence in "inconsistencies" I suggest you not vote for Kerry.
How about 99% of our state representives in Washington? Many ignorant people including Howard Stern blame all they see as attacks on their freedoms as actions of Bush and the religious right. When the truth is exposing one's breasts on prime-time TV has NEVER been accepted and actions have been taken against indecency because of the....
Senate OKs Higher Fines for Indecency
Tue Jun 22, 5:06 PM ET
By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Faced with public ire over racy language, explicit scenes and skin-baring outfits, the Senate overwhelmingly agreed on Tuesday to fine radio and television broadcasters and personalities as much as $3 million a day for airing indecent entertainment.
Missed Tech Tuesday?
Do the cell phone shuffle with a new service plan and the latest phones.
After the uproar stoked by Janet Jackson (news) and Justin Timberlake (news)'s "wardrobe malfunction" at this year's Super Bowl, the Senate rushed the bill through on a 99-1 vote without floor debate.
GOP Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas said the issue had been debated enough. Lawmakers have continually criticized broadcasters for airing what they say is increasingly coarse programming that can be seen or heard by children.
"People are tired of this indecent material on over-the-air public broadcast, particularly during prime time when people's families are watching," said Brownback, the bill's sponsor. "We're going to have to take action because the broadcasters won't police themselves."
Under the measure, the maximum fine for both broadcasters and entertainers would increase to up to $275,000 per indecent incident, up from $27,500 for license holders and $11,000 for personalities. The fines would keep increasing for each incident until a maximum fine of $3 million a day is reached.
The House passed a similar bill that would set fines at $500,000. Differences between the two bills must be worked out.
The Senate moved the measure without debate as part of the massive defense bill expected to be approved later this week. The only senator to vote against the measure was Sen. John Breaux, D-La., who is retiring at the end of the current term.
A call to Breaux's office for comment was not immediately returned.
Federal law and FCC (news - web sites) rules prohibit over-the-air radio and television stations from airing offensive material that refers to sexual and excretory functions between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., hours when children are more likely to be tuned in. No such restrictions exist for cable and satellite TV or satellite radio.
The FCC currently has no power to regulate those channels, which are available through subscription to the 85 percent of the 108.4 million U.S. households with televisions.
Introduced in January, after FCC Chairman Michael Powell (news) demanded higher fines, the bill wound up on a fast track to passage after the Feb. 1 Super Bowl halftime show that ended with Timberlake partially exposing Jackson's breast for an instant to 90 million viewers.
The incident generated more than 500,000 complaints to the FCC.
If the legislation isn't approved as part of the bill to authorize spending for the Defense Department, Brownback said he would try to find another way to get it through the Senate. "This is something the public wants," he said.
The Senate also approved a provision that would delay for one year the FCC's media ownership rules that allow, among other things, companies to own both newspapers and broadcasting stations in the same market.
A consumer group cheered that action.
"Once again the Senate has demonstrated its objection to weakening rules that keep massive media conglomerates from swallowing up local media outlets and ignoring community values," said Gene Kimmelman, senior public policy director of Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports.
Brownback said he wasn't sure that those provisions would make it into the final legislation that emerges from the Senate-House conference committee.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=487&u=/ap/20040622/ap_en_ot/indecent_programming_6....
Wow congratulations, you actually made your first lucid, rational argument not based on hatred and unbalanced hysteria. I will alert the media.
Simple hatred above all, wake up every morning, check the hate sites, find the "news" and spin the hatred.
I'm going to play softball, have fun hating.
And I'm sure that's all Bush's fault and has nothing to do with the rapid growth of the Chinese economy.
I mean after all "This just proves that the policies of the Bush administration have moved us backward" because the atmosphere in the United States and the atmosphere in China are no way connected. We all know the American atmosphere and the Chinese atmosphere are two totally seperate enviroments, nothing China puts in the air travels eastward to the Americas.
LOL...
You got to be kidding, right? That post of yours was so pathetic I think you don't even know it's point.
Is your point, "we must kill UBL before we can continue our war on terror?"
Is your point, "UBL is the source of all terror and if we kill UBL all terror will end?"
Is your point, "we must battle terror by only using all our resources to chase UBL from cave to cave?"
Is your point, "the American military can't walk and chew gum at the same time?"
I know this seems to elude you but my best defense of GWB's preemptive invasion of Iraq is Iraq was a terrorist state just as Afghanistan was under UBL's Taliban ruled control.
And FYI, UBL is leading no parades or plotting little to no terrorism from within his cell phonesless cave. He is for all purposes, out of action because we toppled his terrorist state where he was free to train terrorists and open terrorist camps where he planned the butchering of 3000 Americans on 911.
MID98, just cite a "news" source like "IHATELIBERALS.com". The hate-filled radicals here do it hourly.
Your point? Terrorism is down since Bush started bombing people?
The department listed 625 deaths in 2003 from terror-related causes,
The department listed 725 deaths from terror-related causes in 2002
I don’t need the department to tell me at least 2900 people were murdered in terror-related causes in 2001.
Liars, dam liars and statisticians
Funny you posted that, how many of those glodal terrorist victims do you figure were Americans in America? I can't think of a single one.
That's strange, I can think of almost 3000 Americans off hand who were victims of terrorism before Bush talked about attacking Iraq.
Here is a possible DIRECT CONNECTION
http://investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3389497
Still some wish to ignore the reality of today's world, let me repeat, Iraq was a terrorist state we needed NO contection between 911 and Saddam to attack Iraq, it was already validated by the American people and a JOINT SECESSION of CONGRESS on Sept 20, 2001.
http://investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3398792
The hateful talk about how bad the war in Iraq is going when New York may have disappeared from the face of the earth today if we did nothing in Iraq last year.
A leap of logic? You would laugh in my face if I told you the Twin Towers would soon be missing from the face of the earth 5 years ago.
We are at war; we can overthrow governments, topple terrorist leaders and make selective strikes and controlled war in places like Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran.
Or we can wait and in the near future we will wake up to a major Western city disappearing in a mushroom cloud and then we can watch a European country like France freak-out, nuking half the Middle East over losing Paris.
The buildings which stood on the two most populated city blocks of the most populated city in America disappeared from the face of the earth with the lives of more Americans than were lost at Pearl Harbor yet the hatefilled, blind to the truth, "blame America first", radicals will not answer the fundamental question of “do you believe we are at war”?
Terrorist nuclear threat 'real and imminent'
By Jason Beattie, Evening Standard Political Correspondent
22 June 2004
The threat of a terrorist attack using nuclear weapons is "real and imminent", the head of the UN's nuclear watchdog said today.
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/11493436?source=Evening%20Standard
Mid98, Saddam was a state sponsor of terrorists and terrorism. He publicly offered a $25,000 new home to the family of any Palestinian terrorists who blew himself up. The world's most prolific terrorists were found living in Baghdad.
The families and friends of the 911 victims, America and President Bush not only had the right, but most importantly, THE RESPONSIBILITY to take the fight to those who are plotting mass murder and killing Americans at home and aboard since 911.
The most important place to wage war, or defend ourselves from this war (which was declared on us long ago) is not downtown New York city, Washington DC, or a Pennsylvania cornfield but the lands of the billion dollar government sponsors of terrorists and terrorism. Places where boarders protect terrorist training camps, places where the military defend terrorists from attack, places where the police protected and supported terrorists or, in other words, state sponsors of terrorists and terrorism, Afghanistan would be another example of a terrorist state.
What's really sad is Clinton knows and understands what Bush is doing and must do. Ironically he knows because as an x-president he knows leaders don't have the luxury of cowardice when dealing with terrorists. Bush is doing exactly what he told America he was going to do and for an American to go out of their way to make daily attacks on our war time president is little less than treason.
Bush told American how he was going to handle terrorist on September 20, 2001 to a JOINT SESSION of CONGRESS and he got a stating ovatition from a JOINT SESSION of CONGRESS.
Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.
Great harm has been done to us. We have suffered great loss. And in our grief and anger we have found our mission and our moment. Freedom and fear are at war. The advance of human freedom -- the great achievement of our time, and the great hope of every time -- now depends on us. Our nation -- this generation -- will lift a dark threat of violence from our people and our future. We will rally the world to this cause by our efforts, by our courage. We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail. stating ovatition from a JOINT SESSION of CONGRESS.
Sad, I also remember what everyone said that next morning after Bush's speech. Even the most liberal and subversive, cowards said, “man, I don't like Bush but his speech last night was great”.
Why would any person or country of any honor ever have anything to do with al-Qaida? What possible reason could there be but cowardice?
She likes Teddy? LOL, guess we both read two different books together.
What would one say to people who saw innocent people's heads off?
That's a complete lie which makes sense to you because you're blinded by you own rage and hatred of president Bush. You are a typical blamer of the victim for the crimes committed against a victim.
In Russia, in India, in the Sudan, in Saudi Arabia, in Israel and in America as in the entire Western civilization, Muslims extremists have made the world less safe and history has taught the world there is only one way to fight people who kill innocent women and children and saw civilians heads off thinking this will give them 72 virgins in heaven.
This horrendous act shows once again the nature of the enemy that we're facing in the war on terror. They have no shame, not a shred of decency, and no mercy even for the innocent. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Mr. Paul Johnson this afternoon, a good man, a fellow citizen who may well have murdered today. All Americans can be certain of President Bush's resolve in this war. America will hunt down these killers, find them one-by-one, and destroy them.
(Applause.)
Because their simple hatred of Bush trumps their concern for national security and the safety of our soldiers. How American of them.
DDF, the hateful find their financial information at "music for America.com"? Being a financial profession and knowing the unemployment rate is below 6 percent which is historically low by any measurement, I wondered where Sara found her unemployment information. So I right clicked her chart and found out.
Our Mission:
Music for America is a partisan, political non-profit working to turn out our generation at the polls. By exposing the connection between our cultural lives and politics, we are getting our generation to participate in the political process on all levels - whether that means volunteering for a campaign, organizing a local MfA chapter, or just going to a show and having a conversation with some friends. By throwing some kick-ass parties and concerts all across the country we're building a decentralized movement that encourages our friends to incorporate political participation into their daily lifestyle, and will ultimately bring about lasting, progressive change in this country.
How We Started:
Music for America was started by a group young, disenchanted voters who became active in politics through the Meetup phenomenon. After the 2000 election and the Bush Administration's marginalization of the millions who protested against the buildup to war with Iraq, we collectively came to three realizations:
http://www.musicforamerica.org/about
Can you imagine spending every single day of your life surfing partisan hate sites looking for hatred to post? Wonder what the medical diagnosis of such a compulsion would be called?
They care what they think while ignoring what 19 of 23 officers who served in Vietnam with Kerry think, such objective.
DDF, they make arguments based on "unidentified sources" of "hearing the sounds of 15 to 18 year old-looking, unnamed, unfound (late teenage) children being raped behind curtains then have the audacity to speak of "unsubstantiated rumors" when UPI news quote...
The lieutenant colonel, Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, has the same name as an Iraqi thought to have attended a planning meeting for the Sept. 11 attacks in January 2000, in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The meeting was also attended by two of the hijackers, Khalid al Midhar and Nawaf al Hamzi and senior al-Qaida leaders.
DDF, it's incredible how people with blind hatred have a total disregard to all and any “legitimate news” which contradicts their “illegitimate news” from their biased, agenda-motivated hate bUSH.com sites they cite.
What’s beyond belief is these posters are so blind to how their own reasoning patterns are oblivious to simple reason or logic. Beyond belief might not be the best description, hatred has blinded and unbalanced the hater since the beginning of recorded history.
(CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country warned the United States several times that Saddam Hussein's regime was planning terror attacks on the United States and its overseas interests.
"A senior officer in an elite unit of the security services of deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein may have been a member of al-Qaida involved in the planning of the suicide hijackings, panel members said Sunday"
DDF, do you understand the significance of what you just posted? The unbalanced haters here have been attacking Bush on the 911 findings non-stop since they were released.
Yet today UPI releases a story stating…
The commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks has received new information indicating that a senior officer in an elite unit of the security services of deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein may have been a member of al-Qaida involved in the planning of the suicide hijackings, panel members said Sunday
Yet not a single response to your post. It's clear this thread’s radicals have no interest in the truth or the simple defence of American lifes or national security.
The radicals here seem to have an uncontrollable impulse to attack Bush, every day, all day. It's clear this urge of their's seems to trump all logic, but more importantly, all possibility of finding and understanding any truth.
It's futile trying or thinking you'll ever have a intellectually honest debate with these unbalanced hateful posters. Their on-line MO of ignoring any evidence which opposes their hatred is no different than that of an enemy of America or terrorists.
And the liberals here run to Matt because I describe them as hateful. LOL.
Today's radical liberal's idea of free speech is no different than Saddam's....Say what you wish as long as it agrees with me.
Jeff, notice she never has nor never will respond to your comment, "this is war".
The thought of America being at war is just too simple of a argument to refute, she would rather blame Bush then ever ponder the simplistic idea that "we are and have been at war".
Today terrorists sawed an Americans head off, Kerry's lead just dissappeared not unlike the Lakers championship dreams.
And allowing millions of Iraqi to be found in mass graves, tortured, raped, murdered and gassed is fine as long as you politicize your support of their killer by concealing it in your hatred of a republican president.
One, what kind of news worth debate was that? You found it on CNN and it said...
(CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country warned the United States several times that Saddam Hussein's regime was planning terror attacks on the United States and its overseas interests.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saddam.terror/
One that's not fair using objective "news" sources like CNN which quote the actual words of actual known World leaders.
Hey lookie there, even more "news" and highlighting from the "Capitol Hill Blue" network. Capital Hill Blue, now there's an objective "news" source with no agenda.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4704.shtml
This contempt continues week after week, even as I daily question the citing of quotes from sites with clear agendas which are more than conspicuously obvious simply by reading their www. address.
Debating such hatred is like a ongoing nightmare which never ends.
Hey lookie there, more "new" with highlighted segments from that objective "news" site.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4705.shtml
Then she daily posts at me while ignoring my rebuttals for the simple reason her arguments cannot withstand debate.
Sara finds her "news" from sources with links of
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4707.shtml
Her "news stories" begin by calling the American President "Dubya". Then she reads through her "news" to find segments to highlight which I presume she believes are applicable "evidence" to support her objective search for the truth.
Unbelievable.