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Big dogs out huntin' today, huh?
I agree that's a distinct poosibility.
Don't worry Ben, he probably had too much to drink yesterday.
We know you'll be busy with OTHER things.
As long as I've known EM, I can never say he is impulsive. I think one of the reasons I've stuck by him and MZEI all these years is that I've ALWAYS been impressed how calculating he was. He always seems to look at an event/possibility/offer/market or whatever from several different angles and points of view. That's one mark of a good leader. I know from personal experience that he's never been closed minded about anything and that EVERYthing that's been done in the last 12 years has been for the good of the science AND the shareholders. One thing that's not been discussed here - but I know from personal experience knowing EM, is that he's not interested in "selling out" in any fashion to any entity who might not have the same "passion" about our science or the same passion for our vision.
I'd like to see this happen too, and I'd think more than ONE BB company is already interested in us by now. Although I don't know specifically how MZEI would handle such a scenario, as usually, if one company is serious about another company, extreme DD is done, non-disclosures are signed - if not outright CA's. This would pretty much give THAT company the right of refusal. I know that in the past, when BB companies have bought out OTHER BB companies, and for some reason (usually a better bid by another company) the selling company "backs out" - as I think was the case with Wells Fargo several months ago (right?), then in this case there's usually some kind of penalty paid to "back out." My HOPE is that EM and the board of MZEI takes this into account if/when we are approached by a BB company and not put ALL of our eggs in one basket TOO QUICKLY. I'd hate to leave a few dollars per share on the table at the end of the day.
I have a friend/client who was the president of a locally owned bank - a bank founded by and run by his family for many decades. Maybe 10 years ago, they sold their bank to a conglomorate - one of the top 3 banks in the country. They owed nothing on their bank or their branches - all local; had always run a clean, well managed bank close to the hip AND they had just within a year or so, built a new multi million dollar main downtown bank. The bank had assets of many hundreds of millions of dollars. They had NO debt; They had NO GOOD REASON to want to sell. There were at least 3-4 brothers - all MBA's who were in the early 40's who managed various branches, etc. Probably one of the most well run, stable banks I've ever known or heard about - and my dad was a great banker for 50 years from 1940 - 1990, so I know a little about banks. Long story short, this sale took place when the big banks were gobbling up all the smaller, privately held banks (which, IMO was a major factor into our economic downfall), so when they "came-a-callin" to want to buy HIS bank, he told me personally that he really had NO idea of what to ask for it - as it was rock solid, NO DEBT, NEW headquarters building - PAID FOR, their large family very wealthy in their OWN right - owning much land, and other assets as well, etc. So, he said he added up what the assets were worth (maximum appraised value), added a TEN YEAR consulting fee for ALL members of his family who actively were involved in ANY aspect of the banks, THEN he added 400% to THAT TOTAL figure! Then he presented the conglomorate with their "what it takes to buy us" and said: "here it is, take it or leave it." One month later. They took it.
The bottom line is: REGARDLESS of "precedent, train of thought, P/E ratios, MBA bean counter input, etc., WHATEVER a company MIGHT be worth to whomever, whatever, or by whatever scale - if you WANT something that someone else has badly enough, you'll pay the price to get it. If THAT SOMETHING happens to be UNIQUE, has a SOLID market potential with MULTIPLE application probabilities (not possibilities); has SOLID WORLDWIDE patent protection; state of the art technology and hardware; nearly perfectly fulfills a need/desire; requires little to no maitenance; never wears out; has no shelf life; so simple to operate that a child could do it; has NO downside; is COMPLETELY GREEN; EVEN SAVES money for the end user IN ADDITION to all other feature/benefits it possesses; has NO CLOSE competition...you WILL pay the price to get it! In our case, practically EACH market probability (not possibility) is SEVERAL BILLION dollars. How many market probablilities are there? I don't even know if you can even set a limit on them. I can come up with 8-10 in just 10 seconds! How many can you come up with in just 5 minutes?
IMO, a SMART conglomorate would NEVER WANT/LET us get to the "full retail" stage before they would "make their play." There are SOME things in life in which you "never want to be the first and at the same time, never want to be the last" to own, but THIS is not one of them!
I'd be VERY surprised if there's not a bidding war to even be a PARTNER with MZEI much less buy us out
I can assure you that any such talk about the company pursuing THAT direction would be done as professionally as possible, and as professionally as is known to exist today. The values of the company, the science, the patents, the many applications would ALL be taken into consideration, beleive me. Beleive me, Medizone has VERY competent "higher positioned, very knowledgeable" contacts, business associates, references, AS WELL AS a few VERY LARGE shareholders who are ALSO quite experienced in these things, who are trusted advisors and close to the company who would make sure ANYTHING was a fair deal for all concerned. It WON'T be a "shoot from the hip" decision.
Good points phrantic.
Hey Spongebob squirt pants, your post is very weak, if not completely lame. First of all you insult fireman in general, then you DOUBT someone's ability without even knowing anything about him, and if you had done ANY DD at all, you'd realize that OTHER higher-ups within MZEI are VERY experienced in managing/bringing a large company to success. Lastly, do YOU have any idea how hard it is to raise money - even since 911 until the economic collapse? For ANY company? If that's all you think it takes, then why don't you pony up 6 figures to HELP - like MANY people on this board have, and put your amazing intellect to work for the GOOD of the company, otherwise, if you're just "along for the ride" why don't you just sit down and shut up and enjoy the ride and try not to throw up on the rest of us. Your posts thorougly indicate that you truly know nothing about MZEI.
there's enough bull HERE that one could slip and fall easily in someone's BS.
While it's true that the more people you have, the less chance of holdups/hangups MIGHT occur, the fact is, that this is still a small company with limited resources and we are trying to make the BEST use of those resoruces. Once we are through the beta trials, we will be perfectly postioned to CHOOSE WHO our partner (s) might/will be, then things will happen faster.
They might buy an AsepticSure unit just to shut him up.
Yea, I know of HCA, they're in my area toooo. Just the profits from HCA affiliates buying AsepticSure amounts to SEVERAL MILLION (perhaps even 100 million) dollars to MZEI.
If a lil 'ol hospital in west Florida knows of, and is excited about AsepticSure even NOW, IMAGINE the uproar SHORTLY when we're published in medical journals, breaking news shows, etc.
EVERYONE in your hospital has heard of AsepticSure?! WOW! That's AWEsome! It really says something when non-shareholders have heard of...and are SO EXCITED about the delivery of and the promise of a company and product EVEN BEFORE IT'S COMMERCIAL RELEASE!! Perhaps unheard of even.
On a more personal note, we're all glad you're feeling better....and I'm sure the nurses there are counting the moments until they roll your ass to the parking lot.
Pertaining to risks of health/personal issues of our main staff, there are a few others within the MZZE chain of command that most of you don't know, but would have heard of if you have done good DD, and they've been around since the beginning too, and are quite capable of taking a handoff and completing the mission should there be a need. Many years ago this "order of command" was put into place for many reasons, not just potential health reasons.
Just heard from TEB's wife. He's doing fine; got a stint, HOPEFULLY coming home tomorrow.
I'll give everyone an update on TEB ASAP.
My understanding is that Dr. Zoutman is on a level par with Dr. Shannon from Science to finish product in terms of coming off the bench.
Good morning everyone. Thought you all might like to know that TEB was admitted into the hospital last night with chest pains. He probably didn't want me to post this, but many on this board know him and appreciate his timeless efforts here, so I thought you deserved to know.
Thanks for the advice. Trading options makes sense in many cases.
I agree. It was made clear to me that Ozone CAN IRRITATE the lungs, and could cause a scratchy throat, etc., but it won't kill you. Probably worse to use mildew remover in a closed bathroom than sniffing Ozone.
Well, maybe you know him better than I do, but during the 13 years I've known him, he's never once disappointed me in any capacity. I don't remember any OTHER MZEI shareholder of 14 years ago who offered to risk everything personally, and buy this company and save it from being liquidated. Fact is, I don't KNOW ANYBODY more competent than the Marhsall's, and if you spoke to him several times in person or by phone you'd understand that you're perception is not based on fact.
Since the beginning I've always been impressed with how well the Marshall's keep up with things. They really sweat the details, and I know for fact - because I've been by their side in one form or another for ten years, that NO STONE has gone unturned on bringing MZEI to the forefront.
Maybe I sound like his wife because I know how difficult and challenging running a business is. I'ts hard enough to please a half dozen people all the time, much less 3,000.
It doesn't take much DD to uncover the fact that all these other "decontaminating" companies are using some form of HP in their mixtures.
This to me is a limiter in what they can purify due to the corrosive effect: "TOMI systems produces....activated hydrogen peroxide mist..."
It's not about being a "seasoned business professional." There's NO way we'd be where we are NOW if Ed didn't know what he was doing; surrounding himself with the best people in the world on the technology, having an insatiable passion for his work, etc. You don't get a public company from nothing to this point without being wise and smart.
What DOES come into play though is having ENOUGH high quality people in the pipeline (enough soldiers) to accomplish the most good. Also, accomplishing the most good in the LEAST amount of time. This takes a great amount of resources.
Ed has never planned on running MZEI day to day until the end of time. His plan was to get it going and flowing smoothly, then step back and let others run the company day to day. In many ways, Ed is a visionary, and he's fortunately for us shareholders, very honest and wants what's best for all shareholders. After all, he BEGAN his tenure here as simply a shareholder himself.
A strong cash solvent company who could/would write a check for MZEI (so to speak) would be getting a BARGAIN in IMO @ $5.00 - $6.00 PS, when you consider the infinite and NEVER decreasing NEED for what our little machine is capable of doing. 3 years from the date of their acquistion of MZEI, their EPS could TRIPLE frome merely the profit of the MZEI science/application - if they do it right.
Another scenario would be a "distribution partnership" with such a company. With their cash infusion which would allow our guys to continually enhance, create, invent, adapt, refine, and concentrate on what we have already begun and been able to accomplish - without the worry of having to idle down and raise funding every 5 minutes, we could potentially be a $100.00 + PS company within 5 years, IMO.
If ANY person doesn't think our government "think tank" is not already ALL OVER MZEI technology, they're pretty damn naive. I guarantee that at this point, our govenment connection - and not just USA, is VERY deep.
DAMN! And I thought MINE was difficult.
I understand that FOM is interviewing Bernie Madoff, the former Enron gang, and Elvis Presley for an executive advisor post. I'm sure that they are much more likely to take us where we want to go.
As for me, I'll stick with an honest man who has done everything he could possibly do to make the company a success without keeping people hyped and broke by various ponzi schemes and false accounting practices, and has NOT sold us out or down the river just to bail HIMSELF out or to make a quick buck. Someone who appreciates ALL his shareholders and only wants to do the right thing by them. THAT'S who I want running MY business. Someone SMART enough to surround himself with the BEST known experts in the world to get this project off the launching pad. Someone I can trust to do everything in the proper order and in the proper way - regardless of armchair quaterbacks' second guessing. I'll go to war with THAT person.
Yes, it would. All I'm saying is that if you do the basic math, factoring in demand and supply (the demand already building rapidly),and once you have 2,3,4 mfg's working in unison to build the machines, which should be a rather easy assembly line process after the first few hundred...20 billion for MZEI as a smoothly flowing machine makes a hell of lot more sense than 90% of the company buyouts/mergers over the last 15-20 years. Many of the major buyouts - especially in the 1990's that come to MY mind were more to reduce competition for the aquiring company MUCH moreso than as a "profit center" or cash cow. MZEI HAS NO competition, it is a SHEAR PROFIT CENTER. ALSO, I believe that probably 75% of even THOSE aquired companies were mere "paper tigers" - meaning their bottom lines were "artistically enhanced" by cunning bean counters.
nice catch.
No worries. At this point, mngt is just being VERY careful about what they announce. There are SO many things going on behind the scenes now that they're just trying to dot ALL I's and crossing ALL T's.
This is a VERY likely scenario for MZEI: "Liquidmetal Technologies Inc., a Caltech spinoff in Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif., filed a regulatory notice recently that it's granted Apple a perpetual, exclusive license to use its technology in consumer electronics. Liquidmetal retains the rights for other applications..."
This WAS a penny stock company trading around .30 only 5 days ago. Since this press release (and it was on front page of Yahoo this morning), it TOPPED $1.00 YESTERDAY. Only about 2 million shares traded, which was double of the day before though.
The SWEET deal here is that they ONLY gave Apple the RIGHT TO USE its technology in consumer electronics, but they RETAINED ALL OTHER rights for OTHER applications. I don't know whether or not Apple will have to buy the tooling, hire people, build a mfg. facility, etc., necessary to employ this mfg. process and create the product "in house" or if Liquidmetal will mfg. the cases FOR Apple.
Either way, it gives a great little roadmap as to what could VERY EASILY AND VERY QUICKLY happen to MZEI stock price. ALSO, read their board and you will notice that the news about the Apple deal was a COMPLETE SURPRISE to the shareholders....no rumors about it previously.
Lastly, THIS deal (and triple share price increase) was merely the result of a LICENSE AGREEMENT giving rights in only ONE application. It has NOTHING TO DO with retail sales generated.
What MZEI has done in only the last two years would take a company of your mention more like 5 YEARS. NOTHING that was promised has been renigged on. We were given "time lines" not PROMISED DEADLINES. Anybody with even MINIMAL business background understands that devloping a completely new technology REQUIRES patience and understanding that when a half dozen or more companies, entities, devlopers are working on the same project, there are times when one division requires more time than was originally anticipated due to MULTITUDES of issues unforseen until they blow up. Ask Boeing, Mcdonald Douglas, North American...even with MILLIONS and BILLIONS available to them, time and time again certain VERY IMPORTANT military projects that have SAVED THIS COUNTRY have taken months and in some cases YEARS longer to complete than was originally thought. Stop thinking like a mouse. For people INCLUDING COMPANIES to take MZEI stock in LIEU of cash payments should SET THE STANDARD for ALL public companies. If they ALL followed suit, the USA would not be bankrupt NOW. EVERYTHING has been done....INCLUDING authorizing more shares, which much have been bought by shareholders, given as payment, whatever, with a KEEN eye on safeguarding us from a hostile takeover as well. The time to piss and moan might have been from 2002 - 2007, but NOT NOW.
I disagree with you...and even looking at MZEI HISTORY I simply look back to several years ago when MERELY a rather small but well written article in a medium circulated national newspaper ran our stock from .20 to $2.92 IN 36 HOURS, based on more or less on HERESAY. NOW we've actually got THE GOODS.
How much money is $30,000.00 (unit profit) x only 10,000 units? With 2,3, or 4 manufacturers, how many of these small units could each of them pump out PER DAY? 50? 100? 150? 10,000 annual SALES is only a DROP in the bucket.
ALSO, if you think like a "Donald Trump," a Warren Buffet," a Merck, a Johnson and Johnson, etc., it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that ONCE the PAPER is published; ONCE the TRIAL success is announced, there will be IMMEDIATE and fervent efforts to either: A) be our distributor; B) be our "parnter" (in the many facets that could entail); (c)perhaps even try to acquire all or part of us. AsepticSure units are NOT something that will "saturate" any market like cars, planes, or trains. The need for them is INFINITE. Even if MZEI were purchased for 20 BILLION, it wouldn't take long for even THAT purchase to look like the bargain of the century.
Think like champions people. I for one EXPECT to be @ $1.00 by Sept. 15, $3.00 by Thanksgiving...and with GOOD reason - not wishful thoughts.