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You are very correct, simple concept, CEO'S or companies look for investor money and investors look for money they can take from the company. Both win short term fights but the company always wins in the war.
Marshal Dillon
I think you may not understand me. In order to make money you will need to know where to place your (short term money and long term savings money.) There is no doubt what-so-ever- that we have not hit rock bottom, rock bottom is between 4000 & 5000 on the DOW with unemployment around 15%. This will come in time but we must counter with manipulating IRA & deferred acounts and so-forth. People can not stand to lose more, more later
Yes, go indeed but it will need to go where we can see a share price and a smile?
Marshal Dillon
Hey! just stick out your hand with the rest of us when something flys by us in high speed. It just might be enough for some of us??
Bumpy, nice post thanks.....
My Reports show that we pretty much in favor that we have found a major bottom where we will stop and move sideways for a long period in time but, we will still will slowly (I hope slowly) move downward within the entire economy as an entire whole. I guess we could call it a slow moving Iceberg or glazier that must move and will move in only 1 direction. All of us should be gearing up to a new style of investing in order to survive this. Those that are age 55-65 that have retired such as me (I retired at 57, forced) that have acummalated large sums of money where as they can live off of existing pensions without touching their accumalation will do very well provided it is not tied up to the stock market or any 401k plans. Those that are in or near this arena but are still working yet can retire financially and have existing 401k plans that are starting to take a pounding you must make your move to retirement or freeze your accounts by moving them into a safe non bearing interest account but also understand if you are not going to retire due to the hopes of market recovery and then make all your money back you will NOT be able to and you should retire now to protect your huge savings. Now when you retire you must also know where to place that money so it is safe. Yes most do not know. Deferred accounts will need to be adjusted too into safe areas.
OK, that was only for the age bracket and circumstance as selected above and does not apply to younger folks.
All in an effort to help us people as we stand together.
Marshal Dillon
The one currency is true but more worries as to the government getting involved in ownership of our banks and banking system next!
As for the Dinar I see all that on a separate level or avenue. I feel now that making up to $1000 dollars per holding one million dinar maybe possible if buying leves continue and the threat of lopping is removed from the air.
At present there are investors here that are trading on the ISX but most of those investments are banks and can easily see why. I actually feel that investing in a banking industry in Iraq may prove one of the best investments in time but I'm talking many years and the risks of early bank failor may or may not be strong as I'm not sure nor know a damn thing about the strength of their bank backing system nor individual banking strength.
Even though we should not break through 7000
We are rising up on the DOW but selling has not been completed yet. Reguardlesss I hope we seee new gains today. Oh well?
When it is time the market will lose 40+ percent and on that note 15% unemployement to state the least. I will also state and we will see in time that there is a chance for another Great Depression.
First ask yourself 700 billion has been pumped into or will be pumped into our BANKS. Income evolved so citizens could pay money into the banks to crank them up way back and now what are we doing?
Anyways economics is my thing be way of my economist. All that you have seen was already plotted except it should be super hard in 2010-12 now if thathas moved up to now and it doesn't get any worse then that is great but the possibility that this is just stating and we won't see the hurricane until 2010-12 if that is the case.
I type this only to help those who have money that needs to protect it. Do not watch your 401k or other accounts drain down or fly out the window. My joy is to know I helped another person as money to some of us at our age can never be made again.
Bumpy, it just might be too late.
There is no reason for him to be here right now since so move money is being made elsewhere.
I didn't even realize this was one of my own message threads. I started that other Iraq Dinar thread and let the other two people carry that thread. Just look at the first posted message in that thread. (not that it matters)
We haven't begun to go we we must go but let us hope some how it can be changed but when demographics call for a collapse it is far different simply as it is caused by people spending money and the age bracket doing so or not and the baby boomers are basically DONE!
Marshal Dillon
You can delete what ever you wish....my money as I said is safe and always making money regardless of market conditions. I do wish others could catch on before their 401k accounts and other accounts get cleaned out but this is a small thread and I no longer reach the mass as I did in 1999.
Marshal Dillon
Let me say this in todays discussions, if they do reverse split this would mean new business and doubt this would work for any of us however, this always works out for management so there is no reason to think they won't reverse nor any reason to think that management even cares (for us) for that matter. Sharholders or traders mean absolutly nothing on our end. You simple clean up a stock and state old management is gone and you start over. Why in the world would you allow 32 plus billion shares hang over one's head in a new business plan. So that leaves us to think in terms of old and new what shall it be. I say leave the shares alone and bump the share price enough for management and smart traders to bail out then of course reverse this into the wall then start a new business and do it all over again.
I mean doesn't Sandy like doing things over and over again!!!!!
Marshal Dillon
Berrybck, the only reason I tell people is so they can adjust their stock, accounts, 401k's and much more but mainly to save the person who is retiring or about to retire that has accumalated $200k- $2.5 million and needs to protect it. Some deferred accounts should have (4-10 months ago) moved their money into no gain accounts to stop any and all future bleeding.
I will never understand those people who won't pay for account help and then when the market drops out they go broke. Those people who control their assetts had better know how to move it into safe accounts or pay for the services of professionals to do so. Another point is this...do your professionals have the knowledge of future or are they moving your accounts do to past knowledge. If they are into past performance you will lose your money...by thw way 90+ % of professional are indeed into past performance to say the least.
People MUST allow professionals that know and will guarantee a min or 3-5 percent return even in the face of stock market meltdown. This is how I always make money and never lose. I learned my lesson in 1999-00 and now have the tools to keep what I make and have it grow not make millions just to watch the market take it into hell.
People must be smart and the old you are the less time you have to remake your money.
For those who lost everything (or feel it coming shortly) you must now move and gain massive knowledge into shorting stock(s) and I mean shorting good stocks not penny jukers as many of us have been playing with.
We have only had a sniff/smell of what is coming.
About oil? We believe a low into the 50's possible 40's depending upon varibles but at it's peak if it has it's way we are looking at $215 per barrel near the top.
You have massive opportunity to buy stocks (good ones) at cheap value right now then learn how to short stocks and learn by a professional not your stock trading buddy, these are serious times which takes serious approach and understanding of new tools and thinking!
Marshal Dillon
Do not look at oil as a crises causing oil to break below oil. Oil was to break to the 50's if all went according to economics without the harshness of what we just seen. Just know this is only a preview of 2010-12.
Correct.eom
Well? I hope we don't break into the 7000's today but I can assure you we have tremendous support at 7100-7500 should we fall faster in the coming week. We may jump to 11100 next year and perhaps a double bounce to 12400-13100, sincerely! Let's look for a 1000 point move "upward" (sometime next week, sincerley) as we look at a few factors within this discussion.
Marshal Dillon
I still wonder if the other type of organizations pushed and clamp down hard enough to force the closure of TFN. I mean what was needed within TFN to be cleaned. It sounds more as if the present two parties, Mr. Owen and Nordholm needed to be cleaned out. How in hell did TFN (old insiders) get pushed out and why?? again could it be the power of the wrestling and other fight network type of organzations that actually sacked TFN?
Stockfire, that is the way it should be.
First as young people we must know everything or at least people let us think we do. Next we learn balance and what is important to know and learn then comes the final curve....we can't remember what we learned nor do we care anymore.
Excellent I might add and in the direct order of business, that is as I see it!
In this order 1 2 then 3
Let me explain myself a tad further. I have been here prior to Branhill and I am not worried one bit. That is about all I will state or repeat from over the years.
Yes finally, our first product and this is only a start. Having a product and having a real product that will help as this will is just fantastic and we will indeed make history with our medical approach and advancements. We will make great money in time and save many more lives with our product not to mention our future products. This is a day or week to be proud of your investment and what the future will bring. For those wishing to just trade this they will do god in time but not now as well as us shareholders. Now shareholders are a different animal and after different type of money. As for the word security with buying solid stocks it will take years for us but hope someday we will see that light. So again as for security after AIG collapsed is there any left in the world, does make one think?
Dakota, hope I'm wrong but who says that TFN has ever paid them for their services? Of course one could also say the oposite. Companies do make moves such as hiring to hide real events until they are ready to pull the plug.
DD, I'm with you and a few others so let us hold this longer and see what transpires. Like what do we have to lose except another year in tax write offs?
Loggin, you have reached a good point of all around interest, clear fact about the SEC (in my opinon.)
OK, when we reach our bottom between 7175-7475 on the DOW (at the very worst a "B" wave could still take us back to 10,975-12,010 and if we bottom closer you 9,375 a rally can care us up to 12,025 13,300. Give this 2 weeks to see what may happen.
Just keep your chin up and regardless move foreward. Make your money where you can and pack away the knowledge for when needed.
Wyatt, I wonder if a buyout of TFN since we have 3 million shares would cause a bump in our share price! I mean at .0001 or less maybe .0002? There again what is 3 million shares of TFN worth? we don't know do we?
According to all indicators for 2008 this clear ,means that in 2009-12 the worse is to come mainly 2009-10 unless delayed. So it clearly speaks if things are spiraling down and yes we still should have signs of recovery but not long lived. As some know the baby boomers are still spending or we would have been into an eariler depression. My hopes are since goverment reactions are far different from the 70's and 80's that we reacted strongly to head off the downfall and may even move upward (at some time for up to 1 year just to be hit headon with the depression. Much of this is hard to understand as it clanges due to the factors at play but the end result will be the down turn beith in 2009,10 11 or 12 it will happen especally when the baby bomers stop spending. We the boomers were to do so yet look who is still buying hot cars. If only we could start another era like the computer era (this is why I thank Bill Gates.) we could pull out of this but it would need to be strong. A push for something as such would pass us through the hard times that are coming. As for 14,000. Our indicators were as high as 40,000 bull run and it did not happen. The cause strictly baby boomers lacking in spending but things like the money it takes to continue a war takes its impact over time and now we are to try and handle 700 billion during these times? if only this were 1990 through 1999 one more time but it isn't.
JUST HOPE WE CLOSE UP ON THE DOW TODAY AND NOT DOWN AGAIN AS SHE IS NOW MOVING!!! 9228
Folks, the depression cycle that I have talked about should not happen until 2009-10 however news just in is trying to understand if it is upon us now. People here are lucky in the aspect that I do not go around and post this everywhere (although others may need this). Let me read the rest of the article I'll be back. We do hope this will be the bottom of the market. I belive 1/2 point was corrected eariler this morning. I have not checked the market yet simply because my money only gains money reguardless of stock collapse. So from a short read it is indicating that the maret is still sliding or at least they are still worried about this afternoon or tomorrow?
If this is so or becomes so then 2010 will be our worse point then instead or recovering 2023-25 we'll recover 2021-23
Maybe some will play it but I will not.
Cosmo, in order for your thoughts to work you would need to RS massively and I doubt if any existing shareholder would ever trust this corporation again.
If you are talking about that link on the message board about TFN going broke or being pushed out, NOPE! I had high hopes on 1 more run but if TFN is done then we are sincerely toast!!!
Wyatt, I agree and did I feel it while typing it. Let us still hope in time we will see this move from .0001 to .0004 to say the least that figure along would be productive enough for some yet so many have been hurt as they have tossed their stock or payed much more than .0004 that may never see light. Perhaps webby will be correct with a higher share price in time, well, so time will tell, so we wait.
That is true unless the company comes up and says it liquidated all those shares in business deals and have nothing left. I must state that I believe they will take that route but I sure hope they don't. It would take nothing to justify blowing 3 million shares of TFN in business deals than state none of it worked. Lets hope I'm wrong but I still believe this stock has a planned run left within it's sails!
Cosmoworld, you are always welcomed.
Thank you as well as a few others that have posted today.
This stock is what it is as most of them so just simply wait it out.