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To me the qustion is, do you get out at $1 or $2 and let it consolidate a bit, or do you hang on until $10?
My fear is this train will run so fast that there might not be much reversal and I don't want to get caught being greedy. I agree with info there's things in the works that we have no clue about and FUSE has eluded to. Given the track record I would not bet against it.
Also if anyone can provide some expertise on stocks jumping to larger exchanges (Nasdaq or NYSE) that would be much appreciated. What would FUSE need to do to make that jump?
Any thoughts?
Buying at the ask, needle moving up, still the same old BG. Gotta love it.
Supermoney,
Not sure how long you have been following this stock?
Fuse released enerjel on a soft launch. That means they only releases a certain amount of product to understand things like 1) can enerjel penetrate the market it was designed for? 2) will consumers like the packaging? 3). Will there be repeat customers? Etc... I'm sure there are more questions they had answered.
I worked for many companies trying to launch various products and impliment new sales channels. These efforts are always preceeded with a market study to understand how consumers will react. Based on that initial start, they comeback and revamp the areas that were not accepted by the marketed group.
So based on this understanding, why would you feel that the sales of enerjel were too low? There were only a few places to be able to get it during soft launch, and only a limited supply, again because they were testing the market.
Now with retail channels and an official launch of the product available to ALL consumers in abundance, what is there to be concerned about? Consumers can now hear what the athletes say about it and go to their local GNC to purchase it, or whereever Mission products sold. Then we can see the benefits of top tier athletes sponsoring the prouct.
If sales tank then we should be worried.
Based on what I have read and what's been said on this board. There is still a device to be used in the method suggested in the article. FUSE drops are not going need a device of any sort. The contents are precharged to deliver the same effect.
Someone please correct or elaborate if necessary, but this is my take.
Western MA, in pioneer valley! Here for a short whIle then probably back to the rat race at some point.
I don't have that issue. It loads pretty quick.
There could be a slew of reasons, not enough memory, older computer so components are slow. Network slowness(if your computer is new most likely this is the cause).
When I was running of Comcast it was super quick, I switched to AT&T wireless hotspot, only getting 4G as opposed to 4G LTD speeds while I'm out In the boonies right now, so I'm definitely seeing the difference.
Getting a little excited about the launch QC? :).
Speaking of brand sponsorship, I'm amazed at the entrepreneurial spirit from these atheletes, they dont settle for just the million dollar a year sponsorship from some huge corporation. They are looking to build a brand and own a piece.
How can this not make sense to Tiger after Gatorade, it's the next logical step.
It would be great if it didn't taste like cheese!
TAC nice pick,
The reason I say that is because The advertising medium used reached literally everyone. Expensive, but they had the money from sales at that time, they could afford the luxury.
Hmmmm...
I still believe with the likes of Tiger, Grover, (this is starting to sound like Winnie the pooh) etc...
That FUSE will get their name out quicker than monster.
Very nice,
I love the statement that was made and agree, now this is odd for me but I'm going to say that perhaps FUSE has a much better chance at getting recognition faster than Monster did. The market is much bigger now and the industry is seeing huge growth. It's under an investor microscope now.
We will see, like you said, patience my friend.
That graph up to July 2003 looks strikingly similar to FUSE. I wonder what news came out in that timeframe. I would assume major sales and hitting key metrics. Aksys do you know the answer?
BG,
I can appreciate your distrust, after all it's hard to see the exact inner happenings of deals, products and though processes at FUSE. This most likely makes people a little hesitant to invest, also if their getting their ass handed to them in the rest of the market they have other issues to deal with than to sit on a .20c stock that still has some development to go through before it's a sure thing.
However, it's probably a good idea for them to keep things tight lipped in the early stages, which is where they are at. After all they have a patent pending.
I would suggest to you BG that nobody is investing for the following reasons.
1) They are happy with their stake in DROP today.
2) They have bigger fish to fry
3) They are waiting to see things like the patent come through and the enerjel sales flourish.
I would argue though that it will be too late for anyone to get that stock at .20c.
IF FUSE does well with enerjel and drop suppliments(I beleive they will with the star power) then the stock will pop above 1.00. There's not doubt in my mind about that.
Why do I believe this?
1) FUSE is in a hot and growing market in the sports/health arena.
2) Their products are attacking untouched and appropriate areas of the market with innovative products
3) They have signed top tier atheletes to promote and use their products. We still have not seen the full benefit of this until the products are on the floor and their words are directly actionable by consumers. Someone once asked why the stock popped up to 1.25. It's because everyone saw the FUSE logo on Tigers back and invested. Just like that, one view of the bag and everyones on board.
However when people realized there's nothing to gain by investing in this company at this time, they pulled out. Right or not, that's their choice. Noboby wants a huge pile of cash not producing money. Someone once told me that the most money lost by investors is when they put their stake in a company too early. Why? because your money is doing nothing sitting there until the expected pop.
4) I have used the product myself and it works amazingly. I went to a buddy's bachelor party, where everyone went skiing. 20 people all past their prime but still young enough to be energetic and go skiing. I didn't give enerjel to anyone until after our runs. We played poker for while and then people started complaining about cramps and muscle soreness. So I pulled out the enerjel. I didn't say nothing to anyone about it except that it's a new product that works just like Bengay but it's all natural. EVERYONE that tried the product said it helped. Some moreso than others. That's a testiment to the products stated effects.
5) Everything about this business is "Buzz" worthy. But that only works to your favor if you have a solid business with products that sell and are in major sales channels. So it will come to their benefit shortly.
Again, I agree that there is some headway to be made, but I'm definitly not concerned, even though my wife is not happy with the amount of money I've thrown in this thing.
Hey that's how people get rich, by taking a chance on a sound proposal/investment. FUSE is a real company making real moves in the market place with a clear agenda and products that are not only inventive in their application but they actually work.
And I'm the idiot, so if I'm saying this it may not mean much. But I'd like you to go to Tiger's people and say these same things. I'm pretty sure they'd first tell you their background and why Tiger pays them a boat load of money to look and vet out things such as an investment in time, money and stature to get invloved with FUSE. Then if they still give a rats ass about you they might talk to you about why this business model and products are poised to make argueably the #1 golfer of all time more money.
Shore, this is not FUSE's stated game plan. This is a statement from their own release.
"Fuse Science is a company with a dual track strategy for commercializing its delivery technology and systems that is expected to position the company for significant growth. The first strategy is to offer category exclusivity licensing opportunities to existing brands which will enhance brand differentiation and the second is accelerating distribution of the company's Powered By Fuse!™ performance products, by leveraging relationships such as Mission's retail network. These agreements with Mission are the latest in a series of anticipated distribution and partnership deals for Fuse Science."
They want to pick a brand and push that brand forward with an exclusive deal. it may only be exclusive for short period of time to boost market share and gain value from the licensing of FUSE technology, but will definitely be a huge advantage even for a year or two with the exclusive rights to sell products based on FUSE technology.
So to your point, yes there is a possibility of reaching out to all aspirin (aspirin just being an example) brands and license it to them, but that again is a ways away. Again, the exclusive deal, because it will be exclusive will generate good revenues too.
The more I think about it the more I believe this is the right entry into the market. Still they need to start developing their own products.
Question to any medical/pharma experts...
If aspirin is a drug that can be developed by anyone. But don't you still need regulatory bodies to approve the compound?
Even if not, doesn't the fact that the delivery system and the enhancements to the molecules require testing? I would think that would be the case. Anything that is altering the compound (even if the ingredients are the same) should be subject to trials and approvals. No?
Thanks for the welcome,
I took a couple of snipits from the releases you sent. I just wanted to ask a few more questions and make a couple of points for discussion.
Excerpt 1
"By licensing Fuse Science's technology, Mission has the opportunity to develop superior product formulations that not only complement its existing line of performance skincare products, but deliver their intended benefits faster and more effectively than ever before."
Point
Mission has the ability to create their own product, branded and sold under their company, based on FUSE's technology. This is very clear.
Excerpt 2
"The distribution agreement provides Fuse Science with access to a robust network of food, drug and sporting goods retailers, representing nearly 20,000 locations, which currently carry the Mission brand. Fuse will start by offering its line of innovative drop technology products which are supported by golf superstar, Tiger Woods."
Point
- The only benefit of licensing to Mission is access to their network of retailers and distribution channel. There is no comments made regarding compensation for either mission products sold, percentage of ownership or any other type of financial settlement.
Excerpt 3
"Fuse Science is a company with a dual track strategy for commercializing its delivery technology and systems that is expected to position the company for significant growth. The first strategy is to offer category exclusivity licensing opportunities to existing brands which will enhance brand differentiation and the second is accelerating distribution of the company's Powered By Fuse!™ performance products, by leveraging relationships such as Mission's retail network. These agreements with Mission are the latest in a series of anticipated distribution and partnership deals for Fuse Science.
Point
This last exceprt is the one that confuses me the most. Although after thinking about it, it might be a good "IN" for FUSE licensing to take this approach, only problem is that their patent will expire at some point and then this exclusive deal by category will not matter anymore and companies can do what they wish with FUSE proprietary technology. The only way to fix this missed opportunity is to develop your own product. Which again they have built the board needed to go down this path.
Having said that, if the deals are exclusive by cateogory, that will give those brands which licensed FUSE technology a HUGE edge over their competition. This will allow FUSE to get the most out of those deals as buyers can be rest assured their competition isn't taking the value out of paying FUSE. After all if all your competitors are on the same platform then what does the advancement matter in terms of marketshare? But again the product/technology needs to be proven effective and sellable in the consumer market.
Thoughts anyone?
What was the licensing deal with Mission? What did FUSE obtain from that deal?
Sorry a little handicapped with the kids. If someone can summarize the deal that would be great.
I would suspect that deal was done to make some quick money. Might not be the model deal that we're looking for in the Pharma industry. I could be wrong...
Anyone?
TAC, I agree, but then that would require a testing process, clinical trials, regulatory boards etc... it's a very lengthy process.
However, we have no clue how far down this path FUSE has gone already. Because the board is new, my assumption is that this is a new effort. The thought process and foundation may have been laid, but there is much work to do on that front.
But I agree with an earlier post that said there will be an opportunity to make money on both sides of the equation, licensing and making of FUSE's own product.
Funny, until today (just got my account approved) I was only able to post 3 messages per day. but looks like my account just got approved. I'm completely new to IHUB so I assume that's the reason for the restriction. Also because I only have a free account I'm still only allowed 15 posts per day now that it's approved.
Last post of the day :)
It's a new account, I believe there is a 15 day period or until someone verifies my account.
:). Talk to you tomorrow.
LG,
I agree it's a viable outcome after the patent and sales are through the roof for enerjel and drop supplements. They have major pull then.
I'm just trying to be realistic in their progress, FUSE has done a fantastic job of setting this business up for success, that's why this thing trades irregularly to a pinkie. Plain and simple.
Sorry I only get 3 posts a day so I'm stating a little too much in different directions all the time.
Info, thank you for that. I would like to state that I am very excited about all the potential that FUSE has.
My expertise comes in corporate enterprise systems. I am privy to the deal making process with vendors and buyers alike. Now licensing in technology has its variations just as any other industry I'm sure. So a potential licensing deal for upstarting companies may not be that favorable for them, for example, company "A" licenses out thier technology for $50,000 a year, regardless of how it effects the buyers bottom line when in use. If this were the case with FUSE, yes they are still going to make money, they will not make the money they would have if they had their corporate pockets were full and ready to play the game. Concessions are made and deals become favorable only to those with an advantage, in this case I will agree FUSE has something to bring to the table that's valuable so they have chips to play. But the weight of big pharma is heavy.
Also, who's to say that the patent doesn't come through? So it's potential is there but things need to play out.
But in the perspective of health/athletic consumer all natural products, I love the opportunity in a global multi billion dollar industry, along with their top tier athlete sponsors and products that work. I have used enerjel and it worked when my fat old ass when I decided it was still ok to play in a competitive tournament after 3 kids and 5 years of no exercise. I definitely was not as sore as I should have been, and it worked wonders when I apply it to neck and shoulder muscle tension and pain.
Fair enough I may have been a bit aggressive in my response, my appologies to TAC for that. However, as an investor, I would like to see and hear clear direction and purpose behind all of FUSE's products, not conjecture and speculation about dreamy situations and uses of products that are beyond reach.
There's a solid market to enter for enerjel and drop products. Someday when they figure out what fibromyalgia is really caused by, perhaps Fuse can supply a drop formulation based on the cure/remedy, perhaps when Fuse comes out with aspirin in a drop formulation.
But I would even question how much money is to be had in that scenario. If Fuse is not taking a share of each unit sold whe in partnerships with big pharma or have their own fomulas which then need to pass approvals from various regulatory bodies, then there may not be much payback.
I would prefer to see them further dive into the athletic arena with products like enerjel, all natural products that meets consumer demand. While aspirin is huge, I again ask how much money is in it for FUSE? If someone can convince me that FUSE can generate huge profits from aspirin drop without producing their own then I'll be bullish on the medical side of things. Otherwise they have a long way to go on that front.
I forgot to say, how do you propose that the medical community offer enerjel as an effective tool against fibromyalgia? Fuse definitely doesn't have the money to out market/lobby against big pharma and develop those relationships with doctors?
Do you believe that the medical community offers their patients the best options available to help them? Or the ones that make them the most money?
TAC, while I appreciate thinkIng outside the box, this comment you made is completely rediculous. How do you propose that enerjel help people with fibromyalgia better than any other muscle relaxed or pain medication?
Do you have clinical evidence that it helps? Or is this pure speculation?
Let's just stick to the products intended use. I'm quite happy with the reach enerjel will have in the specified market.
Couldn't agree more with all your thought processes in the post.
So, I've been sitting on the sidelines reading all the messages including all the bad ones. It seems to me that if one does not believe in a company doing well, they should cut their losses and invest in something that gives them piece of mind.
Why are people blaming tiger or FUSE for helping sell under 2000 units? Has anyone tried to start a consumer products company before? You build some product, test it in the market and find viable avenues to sell, perhaps you might even need to change packaging etc. IT'S A TEST!
The goal was not to sell 5 million units. So if my goal was to produce a little, see if it's a viable product and then launch it with all the firepower I have at a later date, please explain why I should be worried?
FUSE on boarded a ton of experts in various areas needed in the business. Again, have you ever tried to start a business before? Nobody works for free, even the owners have to put food on the table, sure they get paid large, but you can't exactly roll up in a pinto to talk to tiger about a business proposition can you?
Or do you think that this is all nonsense? Your answer will prove your knowledge(or lack of) of business and either include you as a true investor or lump you in the gamblers bin.