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Keith, agreed. Can you imagine what kind of power the 3.6GHz OC'd P4EE Tom's used must have sucked up? Anything to make sure the P4 stays at the top of the list as much as possible, even if it will never be available. ;)
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Keith, agreed re: MS - things are looking up. I was surprised(though perhaps I shouldn't have been) at the benchmarks I saw with the FX51 and the A64 overclocked - they scaled quite nicely, and with the Via boards, it was pretty impressive. If they can kick it up to 2.6GHz(on .13), I'd feel pretty good about defending against Prescott. I'm assuming, of course, that Intel gets the power issue under control, if not ... :)
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imho, from what I've heard about the ramp, these are about all AMD can support for now. I expect we'll hear more coming on board as the supply grows.
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dougSF30 - yes, for now at least, K8T800 would be the way to go. You're quite the early adopter! Won't be in my budget for a long time, by then all the bugs should be shaken out.
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dougSF30, I think it's more than likely that it's purely a bandwidth issue -- 8bitx600MHz nForce vs. 16bitx800MHz Via "Hyper-8". If nVidia gets their act together and increases the bandwidth, I have little doubt they will equal or surpass Via -- they do have some experience with AGP, after all. :)
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Keith, so what is nForce3 Pro 150 - nForce3 or nForce Professional?
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yb, oops, I thought you were in Germany!
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yb, NDA expires 1800(0900PDT) your time, webcast starts 1900(1000PDT) your time.
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InternetPlay, that's one step closer!
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Keith, as usual,you beat me to it! ;)
From Hardware Analysis:
"...that clockspeed would be comparable to what we’ll see on the desktop, so we’re looking at 1.8, 2.0 or even 2.2GHz, which is pretty fast for a notebook, considering Intel has yet to launch mobile versions of their HyperThreading Pentium 4 processors."
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1658/
Keith, just a touch different than the white box MB of old Athlon days, isn't it? :)
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PS. What is interesting is the relative scarcity of nVidia-based boards. I read on Digitimes that they're will be introducing an "Athlon 64" chipset - are they talking about nForce3 Pro 250, or is there something else I've not heard of yet?
tecchannel plans to have some Win64 benchmarks the day after the launch.
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dougSF30, I think he's assuming AMD's switched over entirely to 130nm SOI, I know that was the stated assuumption of other "Intel" folks(Semi? chipguy") chiming in on the discussion. However, I don't see how that could be the case. Now, if they were switched over 100%, then yields would be terrible. Since I don't think any of us here know what their process percentages are(except maybe DDB), I don't see how we can make any realistic estimate of their yields.
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Keith, the fog of war's getting pretty thick right about now, but it'll clear up soon.
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A64(FX, I think, Naser from tbreak) took 3DMark2001 top spot at 26416. Do the search here, just scroll down and press "Show me the projects!"
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http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectsearch
EP - too true! Mea culpa as well, I guess.
Jerry R, re:"...and cheer every attempt by AMD to hurt Intel...
What, pray tell, has AMD done to "hurt" Intel? I, for one, have no problems with tough competition, but if the reasons really are there behind the hiding behind white/brown boxes and some of the other things Intel is accused of doing, it certainly sounds questionable to me. But, frankly, I don't see this discussion going anywhere, I wish it would go away. There are so many more interesting things to discuss.
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dougSF30, this Via page may help. I'm not sure which "competitor" the nForce3 is, but in either case there's a possible throughput deficit.
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http://www.viatech.com/en/k8-series/hyper8.jsp
Keith, some of these analysts seem to me to be "whistling through the graveyard". I think some of them have bet too heavily against AMD, and now they're worried. Of course, there are those like Ashok Kumar, who are too heavily vested in their positions to ever change until it's too late. Time will tell.
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Keith, congrats, your "Pentium 4 Emergency Edition" remark seems to have really taken hold! ;)
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sgolds, nothing but their hopes and intentions to throw a monkey wrench in the A64 release hoopla.
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Keith, you're already having way too much fun now! ;)
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wmbw, I'm not saying that one or the other is superior, it's too far out for that; I just find it all fascinating. The competitive spirit is amazing.
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wbmw, sure there are some similarities, they are trying to accomplish the same things and are subject to the same laws of physics. I also see some very key differences in approach. I do remember seeing the Intel presentation quite a while back.
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Very interesting new AMD transistor technologies. FDSOI, multiple strained channels, metal trigate.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11613
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/ssdm2003b.pdf?redir=TTLP01
DDB, care to post it? Nah, don't want to get the guy in trouble.
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sgolds, sorry I didn't include that. It was 09/23/2003 18:00 German time, which would mean noon EDT.
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yb, no "3.5GHz", it was 2.87GHz @ -30C.
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DDB, Keith, yb - Germany is GMT +1hr time zone, right? From tecchannel's "Themen Vorschau", looks like the A64 NDA expies at 12:00EDT or 09:00PDT on the 23rd. So we probably won't see most reviews until then, instead of the stroke of midnight.
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DDB, yes, I'd seen your discussion of the SSE2 improvements. It was interesting to hear the OC results, though. Sure will be interesting to see some more useful benchmark results soon.
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Intriguing A64 OC thread at Ace's. 2.87GHz (-30C). Files on the site were pulled down once the guy discovered they'd been found,(he's sweating it now) but they'll be back up after NDA expires. Apparently SSE2 Sandra results went from x87 +10% to x87 +38% with the new revision chip.
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http://216.87.214.213/forum?read=105038329
Thanks, all! We're very glad Isabel is supposed to move through quickly, and that it's been quite dry lately - this summer was incredibly wet, and if that had continued, a lot more trees would come down and flooding would have been hugely magnified. Thank God it's also weakened from a Cat5 to a Cat2 hurricane. It still will wreak some havoc, though. I'm glad it's coming through in the daytime; at least we won't be losing any sleep! :)
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EP, yes it was as incredibly beautiful day. Were you here on business or pleasure?
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Well, this time tomorrow, I'm hoping Isabel will have left us behind. Fortunately, at this point it looks like the Raleigh area will be spared the main brunt of the storm, but we will get 40-50mph winds and 4-6 inches of rain. Wish us luck!
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Akiba PC Watch Intel roadmap.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/0918/kaigai024.htm
sgolds, this certainly didn't take long!
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http://www.ocprices.com/?rev_id=184
sgolds, EP & CJ, it'll be interesting to see what they do re: dual processor configs. A number of high end gamers have dual rigs. If they can get a dual capable 3.2GHz 2MB Xeon for $740(Anand quoted the price in his updated article), how's that going to make business customers feel who pay - what, $3000? - for 2.8GHz versions?
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EP - re: "...as though Intel has once again retaken the performance crown...".
Why do you say this? Have you seen comparative benchmarks already?
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wbmw, perhaps Johan will close the issue for you with this excerpt from aceshardware's front page. BTW, in retrospect, my "get real" comment seems a little combative - sorry! :)
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http://216.87.214.213/#75000419
"So where does the 89 Watt number come from? Well, I asked AMD. AMD has made - IMHO - a very good move: for all "Hammer cores", motherboard/heatsink manufactures have to design for a "worst-case" CPU that dissipates up to 89 Watt.There were too many Athlon boards which could not be upgraded, because the power circuitry was not designed for faster Athlons. For each faster Athlon, all heatsinks had to be tested again before AMD could recommend them.
For the new "Hammer Family" (Opteron and upcoming Athlon 64), AMD wants all boards & heatsinks to be capable of supporting even the fastest CPUs..."
EP - Well, considering sgolds started out talking about low power Opterons,
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=1444863
I guess I'd say sgolds,yb and I all were referring to 64bits, and I assumed you would be as well.
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