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JH, I was referring to the board. eom
Here's an interesting concept for A64 systems. Wonder how much better things work without a bunch of unnecessary stuff in the way.
Paul
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3103154102.html
Jack, that's not helping. eom
Elmer, what's with all the "drive-by" comments tonight? You diminish yourself in doing so. You have plenty of legitimate, insightful comments to make, so why this junk?
Paul
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=1518186
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=1518572
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=1518583
A64 may have a little more headroom than was suspected. Not a lot, but with the way it scales, it means more than with XP or P4. 3.05GHz OC w/ dry ice / ethanol. Of course, he doesn't show any benchmarks except SuperPi(29s), so it may mean nothing.
Paul
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=131&s=1
PS. On a side note, the "secret" BIOS has multiplier options up through 19x! PErhaps meaningless in and of itself, since that doesn't mean they're usable - now...
gollem, LOL!
gollem, posted it last week. ;)
Paul
sgolds, actually it's a little of both. Granted, more of it is in your category. But there are things like disabled multipliers, disabled SMP capability, downbinned parts to fulfill customer demand, etc.
Paul
LOL, CJ!
Oh, CJ, now you're treading on dangerous ground! Comparing us overclockers to the inept tinkerings of Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor - that hurts! ;)
Paul
smooth20, 2 reasons basically:
1)budget - getting the most for your money
2)the challenge of getting the most performance out of a piece of equipment that is possible.
Paul
wbmw - proof, please! You chastise people for making far more innocuous statements without having the proof to back it up. Practice what you preach in this instance, this is quite a serious accusation.
Paul
Looks like things got even toastier later. Click on the temps image on this page for a bigger image, and you get higher temp readings. I'd say it's a safe assumption that the temps are for MB and CPU. MB temp is awfully high for an "open case" temp, too. Chipset running at higher frequency?
Paul
http://www.oc.com.tw/article/0309/readgoodarticle.asp?id=1973
Early Prescott info and benchmarks. 112mm^2 1.40V 2.8GHz 1M L2. Toasty! Doesn't look radically different in results from Northwood. Some improvements, but not what I'd thought might be coming. Of course, it's early yet.
Paul
http://www.oc.com.tw/article/0309/readgoodarticle.asp?id=1969
tecate, how about the "Official SNDS(Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome) thread at overclockers.com forums?
Paul
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=59b72d279ae58bdad7b478b77f2da88a&threadid=115166&...
chipguy, don't be ridiculous; he didn't specify AMD CPUs. Probably just about as many OCers use Intel rigs as AMD. And quite frankly, Northwoods have had a reputation for not handling OCing very well long term.
Paul
wbmw, must be early Alzheimer's setting in. TDA(terminal dumb attack) <:(
How embarrassing! Think Dell will find a way to snatch them up?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11773
Sun finally seeing the light? But is it too late(for them)?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11772
gollem, I think CJ meant as part of a system. There are certainly lots of K8T Neos available.
Paul
wbmw, on the other hand, I wouldn't put GEIL or even OCZ in the same category as Corsair, Mushkin or Kingston. Although it appears they are improving, they're a different class.
Paul
EP, that's why I said "heavy lifting". I'm certain as well that there are still issues, but my impression is the worst is behind them. In any case, with the trouble Intel is having, anyone who thinks it's going to be easy for AMD is dreaming. They may have an advantage with SOI, though, that may counteract some of the problems Intel is having. I don't expect it to be very smooth, just not as disastrous as the 130nm conversion.
Paul
CJ, Hear, hear!! eom
EP, in some ways I'd expect the 90nm conversion to go better, since they now have a lot more experience with SOI, so they won't be dealing so much with that issue on top of the size conversion, but primarily with the actual conversion itself and its issues. Now, there may be more issues that will come up with 90nm than came up with 130nm, but at least they'll have gotten the SOI heavy lifting out of the way.
Paul
A64 FX scales VERY nicely! :) eom
Petz, looks like Thermaltake is claiming about 0.2C/W, which would give a result of 55W.
http://www.thermaltake.com/datasheets/A1744Venus12.pdf
Funny, isn't that exactly what Johan surmised from his analysis of the Newisys system? Except it was on a lower clocked Opteron, wasn't it? So he estimated higher than reality, but some here claimed it was ridiculous to believe and that it couldn't be reasonably estimated using his methods, it had to be higher.
Paul
drjohn, I'm afraid you're very misinformed re: chipsets for AMD CPUs and PCI/AGP frequencies. As far as I know, only nVidia chipsets allow a constant frequency for the AGP and PCI "busses". I have had Via, SiS and nVidia chipsets in my PCs at home, none but nForce allow it. The others work with integer dividers that change at certain intervals as the FSB frequency increases, up to a maximum divider(which can be different, depending on the chipset), usually no higher than 5. However in the sliding result, the PCI frequency may vary from @29 to 45MHz or more once you get up into the range using the highest divider. This is terribly hard on HDs & CD-ROMs; network cards tend to be a limiting factor as well.
Paul
wbmw, probably want to develop the new goodies on the mature process at the time.
Paul
drjohn, thanks for the info. BTW, the "/" should precede the "i" when you want to close out the italics.
Paul
Anyone heard any real details re: mobile A64 and the notebooks other than the fact that they exist? Performance? Power?
Paul
dougSF30, not unless the capability is built into the chipset, which is not the case with Via. nVidia has the only AMD chipsets that support it, as far as I know. I don't know about Intel, I don't have any recent experience with Intel chipsets.
Paul
sgolds, nothing like answering the question you didn't ask, eh?
Paul
blauboad, EP does have some valid expert opinions re: both processors and stocks. You just have to take his Intel bias into account. He does provide solid contrarian views much of the time, he just goes off the deep end once in a while. Like many others here on both sides do now and then.
Paul
BUGGI1000, Tom's Hardware Guide. I suspect you already knew that and were being ironic, but just in case you weren't familiar with the abbreviation...
Paul
sgolds, not only not shipping, but OC'd to 3.6GHz, which may not ever ship(as Northwood).
Paul
drjohn, considering that most A64 HSs are using low noise fans, I think it's doing quite well. Y'all keep trying to resurrect this dead horse about A64 power/heat - give it up already!
Re: "what's with the silly new heat sink setup?" - Huh?? Nothing silly about them that I've noticed. What are you talking about?
Paul
dougSF30, re: Via A64 boards. The one thing you have to consider even now, if you're going to overclock, is that Via still hasn't implemented an AGP or PCI frequency lock. It's really pretty ridiculous, at this point in time, not to have done so.
Paul
nVidia dual Pro 250 ref. MB at Computex. From techbits. Looks quite substantial.
http://www.techbits.ca/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=11&page=2
Jules2, touche' to you, too! ;)
Paul
PS. and for those in the know, yes I know how it's spelled in French, but my keyboard doesn't support the accent aigu, so I used the closest reasonable facsimile. :)
Just for reference, newegg is already selling A64 3200+ for $449(OEM, of course). It's not in stock yet, but the price is what I noticed most. Would you pay $60 more for it than for a P4 3.0C 800FSB? I know I would(if I had that kind of CPU budget right now!) Newegg's P4 3.2 is going for $616, but that's for the retail version, so I didn't want to directly compare it, but they don't have the OEM version. Wonder why?
Paul
PS. the retail comparison - A64 3200+ = $465(due today), P4 3.2 $616. Any questions?