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Obamacare Slaps $15,000 Annual Fee on Middle Class Families
The Congressional Budget Office’s analysis of the final Senate health care bill indicates it would slap a mandatory annual fee of about $15,000 on middle-class families that earn an annual income greater than 400 percent of the federal poverty level ($88,200 for a family of four) and are not provided with health insurance by their employer.
On Dec. 19, the CBO sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) analyzing the fiscal impact of the bill the Senate is poised to vote on before Christmas.
The CBO analysis cites five basic facts about the bill that acting together would deal a devastating financial blow to many middle class families if the bill is enacted and enforced as written.
Here are these facts:
Fact 1: You will be forced to buy health insurance.
Page 1 of the CBO’s letter to Reid says: “Among other things, the legislation would establish a mandate for most legal residents of the United States to obtain health insurance”
Fact 2: You will be eligible for a federal subsidy to help you buy health insurance, but only if you earn less than 400 percent of the poverty level ($88,200 for a family of four), your employer does not offer you coverage, and you purchase a government-approved plan in a government-regulated insurance exchange.
Page 7 of the CBO’s letter to Reid says “The bill also would establish new insurance exchanges and would subsidize the purchase of health insurance through those exchanges for individuals and families with income between 133 percent and 400 percent of the federal poverty level. … As a rule, full-time workers who were offered coverage from their employer would not be eligible to obtain subsidies via the exchanges.”
Fact 3: Your employer will not be required to offer you coverage, and will face a maximum fine of $750 per worker per year if it does not.
Page 7 of the CBO letter to Reid says: “In general, firms with more than 50 workers that did not offer coverage would have to pay a penalty of $750 for each full-time worker if any of their workers obtained subsidized coverage through the insurance exchanges; that dollar amount would be indexed.”
Fact 4: Your insurance provider will face new federal mandates that will increase its cost for any plan it offers you.
Page 7 of the CBO’s letter to Reid says: “Policies purchased through the exchanges (or directly from insurers) would have to meet several requirements: In particular, insurers would have to accept all applicants, could not limit coverage for preexisting medical conditions, and could not vary premiums to reflect differences in enrollees’ health.”
Fact 5: Your family insurance plan – if your employer drops your coverage and you are forced to buy it on your own —will cost about $15,000 per year when the legislation is in full force in 2016.
Page 19 of the CBO letter to Reid says the average premiums cont....
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/58913
Gates proposes $2 billion for unstable countries
Defense secretary proposes a major overhaul in U.S. nation-building
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has proposed a major overhaul of the way the Pentagon and State Department do nation-building, seeking to end friction between the bureaucracies by putting them jointly in charge of three huge new funds aimed at stabilizing strife-ridden countries.
The proposal is aimed at addressing problems that have dogged the U.S. effort in Iraq and Afghanistan -- particularly, disputes over whether civilians or the better-funded military should be in charge of stabilization.
But Gates's proposal goes beyond those conflicts to address what the military increasingly sees as the greatest threat to the United States -- failing states such as cont....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34580582/ns/politics-washington_post
Gates proposes $2 billion for unstable countries
Defense secretary proposes a major overhaul in U.S. nation-building
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has proposed a major overhaul of the way the Pentagon and State Department do nation-building, seeking to end friction between the bureaucracies by putting them jointly in charge of three huge new funds aimed at stabilizing strife-ridden countries.
The proposal is aimed at addressing problems that have dogged the U.S. effort in Iraq and Afghanistan -- particularly, disputes over whether civilians or the better-funded military should be in charge of stabilization.
But Gates's proposal goes beyond those conflicts to address what the military increasingly sees as the greatest threat to the United States -- failing states such as cont....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34580582/ns/politics-washington_post
Gates proposes $2 billion for unstable countries
Defense secretary proposes a major overhaul in U.S. nation-building
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has proposed a major overhaul of the way the Pentagon and State Department do nation-building, seeking to end friction between the bureaucracies by putting them jointly in charge of three huge new funds aimed at stabilizing strife-ridden countries.
The proposal is aimed at addressing problems that have dogged the U.S. effort in Iraq and Afghanistan -- particularly, disputes over whether civilians or the better-funded military should be in charge of stabilization.
But Gates's proposal goes beyond those conflicts to address what the military increasingly sees as the greatest threat to the United States -- failing states such as cont....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34580582/ns/politics-washington_post
Glad it's working out for you. I sure don't have any complaints about the health care I've received.
What's sorry is the gov's new health bill protecting insurance companies lucrative profits as well as protecting big pharmacy from cheaper drugs via Canada.
I know a guy that was working for a company whose insurance was provided by Tower Life out of Texas (not sure it that's the actual location of Tower Life but his employer was based in TX).
That same guy switched jobs to a Colorado based employer. His insurance cost went from $35 a month, $500 deductible, 80/20 pay etc... to nearly $150 a month for slightly less coverage.
The Colorado employer was restricted by gov regulation as to which insurance it can provide.
Big gov protecting big biz!
Obama's Christmas Tree- illustrates the "changed" family value system coming to America
Why let a holiday season come between the White House and making some political statements? The White House pegged controversial designer Simon Doonan to oversee the Christmas decorations for the White House. Mr. Doonan, who is creative director of Barney’s New York has often caused a stir with his design choices. Like his naughty yuletide window display of Margaret Thatcher as a dowdy dominatrix and Dan Quayle as a ventriloquist’s dummy. For this year’s White House, he didn’t disappoint.
These photos of ornaments on the White House Christmas tree in the Blue Room were taken just days ago. Of course, Mao has his place in the White House. And, it wouldn’t be Christmas without an ornament of legendary transvestite Hedda Lettuce -- he/she even signed it -- and, so soon after collecting the Nobel Peace Prize, why wouldn’t the White House have an ornament super-imposing Obama onto Mt. Rushmore. All around, a very Barry Christmas!
Related: The White House doesn’t know if Obama will attend Church on Christmas.
As of Tuesday, three days before Christmas, the White House did not know if Barack Obama would be attending church to celebrate Jesus' birth.
During his first year in office, Obama has not regularly attended a Washington-area church. He left his Chicago church in 2008 when its outspoken pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, became a liability to his presidential campaign.
By VA, are you talking about Veterans hospital? If so, do you really want to get into the overall quality of care that program provides?
Steph- Let's change it up a little. (Nothing to do with politics- enjoy)
EDIT: You being of the globalist nature explains your support for Obama, global occupation, banking systems that strap middle/lower class with debt vs equity, war around the world etc.....
One thing about the back and forth is that it becomes easier to understand you. I'm just a little puzzled why you act as if you despise Bush for serving the same agenda. (We can work on that as we go )
At first it's hard. It takes awhile to get you to be forward about what you believe in.
Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.
Thomas Jefferson
Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government.
Thomas Jefferson
There ya go- Trying to label me as something I'm not. I do not blame any specific group such as the Jewish people.
It's a group of elite and powerful.
Don't be so testy. It's obvious you are good with it. That's your American right.
You need to study up on your history. The downfall of EVERY major civilization has been the pursuit of globalization aka policing the world.
The agenda is noble in romantic ideology but the reality is that it's a pursuit of the elite to control the masses.
Strange you think it's a good thing- to me anyway. I do realize that there are quite a few like you who believe in it.
Edit II: As the back and forth goes on, your true colors of being a big biz/big gov globalist come out.
It becomes evident where you stand when you make comments such as this in reference to Rockefeller and the elite selling out America:
It's obvious he was a very smart man and saw the future of our global economy . - IHUBS StephanieVanBryce in response to the following:
Consider what multibillionaire banker David Rockefeller (whose family is tighly tied into the control of the Federal Reserve Bank) wrote in his 2002 memoirs:
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
Read Rockefeller's words again. He actually admits to working against the "best interests of the United States."
Need more? Here's what Rockefeller said in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." They're gaming us. Our country has been stolen from us.
Steph- you seriously aren't still trying to spin this for your own validation are you?
Rockefeller does say "Some"
This is his response to the allegation thrown out by "some":
"If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."- David Rockefeller
I really don't mind you as an individual. I simply said that if you iggy'd me, it wouldn't bother me as I want nothing to do with what you are selling- aiding in selling out middle/lower class America while furthering big gov, big biz and the elite.
I don't mind going back and forth at all. Crappy weather, slow down with the holiday season etc.... I actually enjoy watching some of the Obama supporters evolve into the position the Bush supporters ended up (on the wrong side of America's middle/lower class).
You evidently enjoy reading something and spinning it to fit your big biz/big gov ideology while ignoring some of the key aspects. I highlighted ROCKEFELLERS words (not yours)
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."- David Rockefeller
I really wouldn't take it as a bad thing if you iggy'd me. Fact is that I want nothing to do with what you are selling aka- aiding in selling out middle/lower class America while furthering big gov, big biz and the elite.
Edit: Except your FOS in implying I'm a Bush defender
Being against the Obama agenda is not an automatic Bush supporter as you'd like to make it out as such.
A person can't hardly believe any info coming out of our gov. (that's what's wrong with the health bill) The vast majority of it is designed to pit us against one another while the global agenda is being carried out.
In reading your post I noticed Jay Rockefeller. It made me chuckle and brought this to mind:
Consider what multibillionaire banker David Rockefeller (whose family is tighly tied into the control of the Federal Reserve Bank) wrote in his 2002 memoirs:
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
Read Rockefeller's words again. He actually admits to working against the "best interests of the United States."
Need more? Here's what Rockefeller said in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." They're gaming us. Our country has been stolen from us.
Tinner- Like a lot of the people you are incorrectly labeling as neo cons, repubs etc... I am not going to argue with you about Bush.
For the vast majority- your judgement and sentiment towards the Bush presidency is fairly inline with the way I feel about it.
The point you are missing is that Obama is more of the same and serving the same puppet masters that pulled Bush's strings.
Like a Bush supporter being wrong, you are wrong in defending Obama as being different.
Don't forget it took a Democrat Congress to get the Bush agenda accomplished. (in part and in part a repub congress- aka bipartisan)
Same pimps running Obama.
Bill Clinton Helped Cause The Housing Crisis..
The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law that requires banks and savings and loan associations to offer credit throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services, a practice known as "redlining." The purpose of the CRA is to provide credit, including home ownership opportunities to underserved populations and commercial loans to small businesses. It has been subjected to important regulatory revisions.
The CRA was passed into law by the 95th United States Congress in 1977 as a result of national grassroots pressure for affordable housing, and despite considerable opposition from the mainstream banking community. The CRA mandates that each banking institution be evaluated to determine if it has met the credit needs of its entire community. That record is taken into account when the federal government considers an institution's application for deposit facilities, including mergers and acquisitions.
The bill encouraged the Federal National Mortgage Association, commonly known as Fannie Mae, to enable mortgage companies, savings and loans, commercial banks, credit unions, and state and local housing finance agencies to lend to home buyers. It also encouraged cont...
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977461051
You should do a little more DD into how and why things have happened. It's been a bipartisan agenda. To say Bush done it all by himself would be giving him a lot of credit to get it all done in 8 yrs
Carter got handed a pile of crap....we went off the gold standard, run away inflation and many more disasters.
I agree with the fact that moving away from the gold standard was wrong. It created a currency that can be manipulated and allows the elite to loot from middle/lower class. Carter and inflation weren't a good combo lol.
Clinton was left with few savings and loans, high employment and he created 23 million new jobs and if you forgot....left some surplus.
Bush fans can spin econonmic figures to show economic booms also. I agree about surplus Clinton left. Sad that he countered it all with warming up the housing wreck that Bush went along with.
Carter didn't fix much of anything. *He did change the law so that home beer brewing was legal LOL- I'm appreciative of that.
Clinton was part of the machine. He set up many things that allowed Bush to continue the process of stripping wealth from the American people. Clinton was a globalist. Loved global occupation, war etc.. IE- Kosovo.
*I'm talking about real wealth like actual savings, equity etc... Not phony values based off an easy credit scam that creates false values, false equity etc... that people are watching evaporate.
Bush running the country into huge amounts of debt, exporting jobs, growing gov beyond Constitutional restraints is POOR rationalization for supporting Obama doing more of the same.
US voters give Barack Obama an F
*Peg- evidently you are out of touch with what the gov is doing to the people. Fortunately the people are in touch with the fact they are getting bent over. Much like a blind Bush supporter, you are on the side that is wrong. You certainly are persistant in walking that line LOL.
Barack Obama gave himself a B+ on Oprah Winfrey’s White House Christmas Special on ABC, but the American public is far less generous. The latest influential Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll of likely US voters gives Obama a thumping 56 percent disapproval rating – an F grade by any measure. 46 percent strongly disapprove of the president’s job performance, while just 25 percent strongly approve. That’s a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21 percentage points, a staggering figure for a president just 11 months into his term of office.
These are historically low approval ratings for a US president, that concur with those released by several other pollsters, including NBC News/Wall Street Journal, who recently reported a 47 percent approval for Obama, and Quinnipiac and Marist, both at 46 percent.
The latest Gallup Survey gives Obama just 50 percent approval, lower than any president in the first December of his first term in the post-war period, with the exception of Ronald Reagan in 1981, at 49 percent, who inherited a country literally brought to its knees by the Carter presidency before later restoring it to greatness. Reagan eventually left office with a 68 percent approval.
At the same stage of their presidencies, George W. Bush polled at 81 percent approval, John F. Kennedy at 77 percent, George H.W. Bush at 71 percent, Dwight Eisenhower at 69 percent, Richard Nixon at 59 percent, Jimmy Carter at 57 percent, and Bill Clinton at 53 percent. Significantly, it wasn’t until his second term that President George W. Bush’s approval ratings began to sink to the levels currently experienced by Obama.
Barack Obama’s health care reform legislation is playing a major part in driving the high negativity ratings. 54 percent of voters surveyed by Rasmussen “believe they will be worse off” if the health care Titanic is approved by Congress, with just 25 percent believing they will be better off. 57 percent of voters now say that “it would be better to pass no health care reform bill this year instead of passing the plan currently being considered by Congress.” As the RealClearPolitics summary of polls demonstrates, the Obama health care plan is hugely unpopular.
The latest Rasmussen Presidential Tracking Poll reflects widespread disenchantment in the United States with the leftward direction Barack Obama is trying to take the country. As recent Gallup surveys have shown, America remains a predominantly conservative nation, with less than a quarter of Americans identifying themselves as liberal. In fact, the United States is shifting even more to the right under Obama, with a significant revival in the strength of the conservative movement. This poll should be a wake-up call for the White House, if it still mistakenly believes that a radical left-wing agenda can be sold to the American people.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100020597/us-voters-give-barack-obama-an-f/
Bush I, Clinton and Bush II all warmed this up for Obama to wrap it up.
Obama to Iran: Stop laughing, we’re serious!
As another deadline approaches for Iran to demonstrate its willingness to abandon the nuclear weapons it so clearly desires, both sides have reacted in a predictable manner. The US reminded Iran that this time we are really, really, really super-serious about it, while Iran scoffs at the threat. In fact, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says Iran has grown “10 times stronger” on Barack Obama’s watch.
First, let’s start with the exercise in impotence at the White House:
The White House is warning Iran’s leader to take seriously a year-end deadline over its nuclear program, responding sternly to defiant language by the Iranian president. …
Otherwise, Washington and its allies are warning of new, tougher sanctions on Iran.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Ahmadinejad may not recognize the deadline but “it is a very real deadline for the international community.”
Yes, because the West has proven so determined in the past that Iran should be shaking in its boots now. Ahmadinejad is shaking, all right, but it’s from laughter:
Iran’s president on Tuesday dismissed a year-end deadline set by the Obama administration and the West for Tehran to accept a U.N.-drafted deal to swap enriched uranium for nuclear fuel, and claimed his government is now “10 times stronger” than a year ago.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s remarks underscored Tehran’s defiance amid the nuclear standoff — and also sought to send a message that his government had not been weakened by the protest movement sparked by June’s disputed presidential election. His comments came a day after the latest opposition protest by tens of thousands mourning a dissident cleric who died over the weekend.
Obama missed his chance to encourage that unrest and give it full-throated support in its early days. Instead, Obama focused on personal messages to Supreme Leader Ali Khameini, feeling that all Iran needed was the personal touch to abandon its pursuit of nuclear weapons and regional hegemony. The moment for real change has largely (but not entirely) passed in Iran, and the mullahs feel a little more secure in their ability to hold power.
Besides, why should Iran take Obama or the West seriously? There hasn’t been a deadline yet that Iran hasn’t been able to manipulate, thanks to their Russian and Chinese allies. They have nine days to once again offer a compromise, which will create another weeks-long study period of inaction. If the West rejects that, a new deadline will be set. If the West accepts it, Iran will change its conditions enough to force the West to reject it, which will start the process all over again. Even if that fails, Iran knows that Russia and China will not accept any new sanctions that damage their export business to Iran, so the Western threat is empty — as the West keeps proving.
Tehran is laughing at the West. And for good reason. The Iranians seem to be the only ones taking this seriously.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/22/obama-to-iran-stop-laughing-were-serious/
LOL- understandable. I have a slow couple weeks during the Holidays.
2010 is looking busy in the natural gas industry. Lots of steps being taken to clean up emissions.
I was involved in the drilling/pipeline construction side but have since evolved over to the emissions/transportation.
Interesting and it is nice that things are getting cleaned up.
Take care.
News Canada
Halls of shame
Down a hospital hallway, a row of stretchers line the wall near the nurse's station. On one of them is an elderly woman who's in pain.
She has been waiting for four hours to get into a room with a bed, but there isn't one available.
This is happening nearly every day in hospitals across the province and the GTA," said a nurse with 22 years of on-the-job experience.
"This is an older person who's really wanting to have some privacy and have a room where they can just relax in and they are being forced into a situation which increases their pain," she said. "Some of them have been examined in the hallway and that's embarrassing, some have had to be toileted. In emerg, you have cubicles, you have people behind curtains, it's not the same."
As an unintended consequence of Ontario's push to shorten emergency room wait times, patients are being shunted into hospital wards and hallways that are increasingly overcrowded and understaffed, nurses groups charge.
In some hospitals, patients who require emergency treatment are being relocated to "express beds" -- previously closed, temporary beds that lack emergency room equipment, expertise or staffing -- in order to clean up emergency room wait time statistics.
And with Ontario facing a potential swine flu pandemic, Ontario's hospitals are cont...
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/05/03/9330606-sun.html
I'll do some more research on it. I've found that a person gets better info by going to the google engine for the country of interest.
IE- google UK and selecting only articles from UK
EDIT: ER wait times soar in Calgary
By soundoff Mon, Mar 23 2009 COMMENTS(38) Soundoff
New statistics show lineups in Calgary emergency rooms have increased dramatically this winter because of hospital overcrowding, with some patients facing delays 31 per cent longer than just one year ago.
*Actual accounts of what really happens:
Summer
When you come to the ER, make sure you bring stuff to keep you entertained, if you are waiting for any kind of surgery, you better look at other options, kinda like a pay as you go one. This new Health board is making all kinds of cuts and dont care where or who they will affect. If you think the system is bad, its only going to get worse. A Mandated job freeze, not replacing staff on the unit if they are already over budget, letting go of staff, job bumping, and the list goes on. Procedures will be cut or not funded enough, equipment will not be replaced or cancelled or simply removed (laser procedure for prostate surgery). Better hope you stay healthy and not need the health care system for anything.
May 31, 2009
8:58 PM
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April 10, 2009
9:15 PM
Anne again-to ER Doc
Just noticed ER DOC comment. Don't dump frail elderly parents in Hospital because you do not want to look after them -- look after them selves Must respond to this / Present parent - problem bladder- wears catheter to void - probably permanent. Now other problems arise- use of diapers. He Lost 20 pounds- lack of apetite . Fell down in lodge hitting head on floor and remained there all night. Usually needs help to get him to upright position and walk down hall for exercise with walker . So obviously for me to take this person to my home- I must again learn how to change diapers (embarrassment for both of us) regularly change bag of urine and check for infection. Must get another person to help both of us get up and down a 2 storey home. I looked after another relative 3 yrs who had almost same medical history til he died in my home of stroke at age of 93 Also chauffered a 87 year old mother back and forth to hospitals and doctor appointments til she died. Last time i took her to hospital only to have nurse in ER tell her to keep the moaning down -- disturbing to others. Mother died the following day . So please do not tell me that i should look after my frail parents. Perhaps this ER doctors could give me tips on how i should cope - The older parents eventually die and get peace from old broken bodies. I am expected to contribute and not turn back on my parents. Plus I am employed full time for large firm.
March 27, 2009
12:37 PM
Anne Marie
My father lived in Calgary and area since 1950,s. Stayed in own home in Calgary til he was 95 yrs old- although failing eyesight and hearing. We moved him out and eventually into a Lodge where he has been for last year. Now last month , due to relatively minor infection, but catatrophic on elderly person of 97 (april 03) he has been bedridden in hospital. Although he has been shuttled between 2 hospitals due to bed shortgage - he has received excellent care. Problem is that he now requires a "higher level of Care" at a nursing home setting as opposed to returning to a lodge where one is required to look after one's self 100% . But no nursing home beds- perhaps a 6 month wait - so probably option of returning him to lodge with Home Care visits Morning and Night . The lodge definitly does not want this man back -with obvious need for medical intervention. The lodge should be a place for healthy persons who can manage on own. So where do unhealthy persons go- at age of 97 no room in hospitals as the beds are required for emergency issues no room in a nursing home -- seniors are living longer - medical advances no room in lodge settings - for persons who can manage on own Where do you go when you are 97 and no room at inn---- ?
March 27, 2009
10:55 AM
Sandy
I waited 48 hours for a bed.The initial diagnosis and treatment - there was no wait time. I had a stroke and the stroke team did a great job. First bed I got was temporary while waitng for a bed in the stroke unit. There are number of issues in hospitals - from staffing shortages, patients waiting for long term care beds, and not enough funding. The article was discussing wait for a bed once diagnosed // the long wait times in ER is another story unto itself. I think nurses must be given a voice - they are on the front line and could offer some practical solutions. We can't blame the doctors or nurses - no beds means nowhere to send the patient. Health care needs to change. i
March 25, 2009
3:29 PM
JR
I moved my father to Kelowna from Calgary just under two years ago. He was diagnosed w/ advanced colon cancer two months after arriving. (I soon followed.) Once detected he was prepped for surgery, and the game was on. The care here was tremendous, unbelievable even. The treatment was complicated, but handled efficiently and effectively. Today he is healthy and we go for regular walks and drives together and he has many years ahead of him. Without a doubt if he was still in Calgary we wouldn't be having these walks. Seriously Calgary, only the rich are being looked after in your province. It's ridiculous there. The civic and provincial services are a shambles. Your increases in taxes and fees are insane. Quit grumbling every time you hear a story of someones misfortune and wake up and make a stand because your time is coming.
http://communities.canada.com/calgaryherald/blogs/soundoff/archive/2009/03/23/301744.aspx
If the bill was truly better for the people, politicians wouldn't have to be bribed, threatened by Obama etc.....
It wouldn't have to be rammed through using scare tactics. It wouldn't be filled with pork and extensive language no person could figure out within a few months etc....
I fully agree about health care lobbyists. The thing that you are missing is that they tied into this health care bill thicker than thieves around a lottery winner.
The bill protects big insurance, big pharmacy, forces more taxes on middle/lower class.
CNN is in the tank for the bill and therefore as unreliable as Fox News.
In Canada they call an emergency room a "emergency department".
Went to the Canadian google search engine and came up with more info that suggests the info you've been fed by the Obama media is inaccurate.
Frustration ran high among parents and children at the Emergency Ward of the Wendy Fitzwilliam Paediatric Hospital in Mount Hope yesterday, as patients waited for as much as six hours to see a doctor.
Among the sick who visited the hospital yesterday, was a group of pupils from the St Xavier’s Private School in St Joseph where there is a confirmed case of the Influenza A/H1N1 virus.
Adding to the misery of the parents was the fact that there was no special screening area at the ward, for any suspected H1N1 virus patients.
All patients ’even those coughing into rags, napkins and tissues’ were asked to take a number and wait in the Emergency Ward. There was no sign of distribution of face masks or hand sanitisers as well.
A parent who wished to remain anonymous said she was very concerned about the situation there.
’Everyone is being allowed in the emergency room. There is only standing room in there. That is a gathering. If you didn’t have swine flu, you are almost sure to get it if it in there,’ she said as she pointed to the waiting room of the emergency ward from the corridor outside.
The parent said she was alerted by her daughter’s teacher that a pupil in her class was confirmed with the H1N1 virus. The parent decided to take her daughter, who has flu-like symptoms, to the hospital for an examination.
When the Express visited the school yesterday morning, the school’s secretary, Helen Quesnel, confirmed that a Prep 1 pupil and the pupil’s mother had the H1N1 virus.
’We got a call this morning and were told that the child and mother both have swine flu. They are at hospital. You know children, the children have gone home and told their parents there is a child in school with swine flu. But the child is not in school but we do have to take the precautions,’ she said.
As a result the teacher of the Prep 1 class contacted all the parents of pupils in her class alerting them of the situation and prompted them to take those who had any flu-like symptoms for testing.
At the school classes were running as usual. However, some parents, upon learning of the scare, decided to take their children away. Quesnel said a letter would be sent to all parents updating them about the situation.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161546255
Steph- you are obviously for a government that is one in the same as big business. you obviously do no believe in the Constitution, middle/lower class empowerment, people doing for themselves better than gov can etc...
For that you are no where close to understanding what built America and are a waste of time.
GLTU and I apologize for thinking you may understand what built our nation.
I went to the "google uk" and done some research under "Accident and Emergency"- the UK term for "emergency rooms". Your info seems to prove biased and inaccurate.
My next step is to call up a few Canadian friends and ask them how their waiting system works.
Doctors' leaders yesterday accused the Government of misleading the public over hospital casualty waiting times.
They said the length of waits for patients in accident and emergency units are far longer than the 'underestimated' version in official figures.
Labour claims three-quarters of patients currently wait no longer than four hours in A&E before being treated, discharged or given a bed on a ward for further treatment.
It says that, even in the worst cases, no emergency patient is having to wait more than 24 hours for a bed.
And, within two years, health chiefs have pledged that no one will wait more than four hours before being dealt with in casualty.
These claims were blown apart yesterday by the biggest ever survey of A&E consultants who work at the sharp end of casualty care - and have personal knowledge of waiting times.
The British Medical Association surveyed 160 A&E consultants, representing 40 per cent of UK hospital departments, during a week in July.
More than a third said that instead of getting better and more efficient, the situation was getting much worse.
A half of the doctors also disputed the Government's claim that most patients spend no more than four hours in A&E.
One-third said patients were waiting more than 12 hours to be dealt with.
And two-thirds said that once it was decided that a patient needed a bed, it took longer than four hours to find it.
In a disturbing 20 per cent of departments, patients were still left waiting more than 24 hours, with some patients waiting for several days on trolleys that are designed for only four hours' use at a time.
The longest recorded wait for a bed to be found for a patient was three and a half days.
The BMA study shows the Government is painting an 'overly optimistic' picture of how A&E departments are meeting targets on waiting times.
It comes after a snapshot survey by the Association of Community Health Councils found patients were being 'warehoused' in A&E because of a shortage of beds, with waits ranging from 28 hours to more than 95 hours.
John Heyworth, president of the British Association for Accident and Emergency Medicine, said: 'Too many patients are still waiting far too long in emergency departments throughout the UK.
'Some progress has been made but, overall, this remains patchy and inconsistent.
'These waits are unacceptable for patients and their relatives.
'The situation places intolerable pressures on medical and waiting staff working in emergency departments.'
Don MacKechnie, chairman of the BMA's A&E sub-committee, said the report showed an important discrepancy between information from A&E specialists and official figures.
'Government figures are supplied by managers but consultants and nurses working in A&E are rarely asked about the figures being sent in,' he said.
'The report shows a number of managers have admitted compiling figures that are not accurate.'
At the weekend Professor Sir George Alberti, appointed as 'czar' for NHS emergencies, pledged a doubling of A&E consultants within six years.
But the Department of Health said that was simply a 'personal' aim.
Mr MacKechnie said: 'The numbers of doctors in training to achieve this do not add up.'
Tory health spokesman Dr Liam Fox said: 'The BMA has shown, yet again, that the gap between Ministers' rhetoric and the reality of today's NHS is huge and growing.
'In the real NHS, real patients know that they are waiting longer and longer to get the treatment they need.'
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