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Buster 74 or a flat screen TV.
2500 shares is roughly $500 each. That's quite a lot of money to throw down the drain. They'd probably appreciate a small flat screen TV for their room. Oh well, your Santa, not me, so I'm sure you'll make the right choice.
Buster 74
HSM Addict
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Waiting in DALLAS
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Christmas stocking ideas - I am buying each of my grandchildren 2500 shares of CSHD in their new trading accounts. It will interesting to see what it's worth when they are 18 years old.
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Hey Buster, why not just give them a lump of coal?
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Agreed the analogy isn't the best, but I am trying to make a point using an extreme analogy. It's wrong to blame a victim. Sure, we need to take some responsibility to the extent that we try to protect ourselves better in the future, but we should not take blame and allow the criminal to walk away just because we should have seen it coming.
My advice is to get mad, stand up for yourself and search for justice so that the person who committed the crime against you doesn't do it to someone else.
Yes, I know that scam. I didn't fall for it. I researched it and found out that all the vans I spotted here in Texas that were doing that came from the same dealership out of another state. I called that dealership and the owner of the dealership got very nervous when I asked a few questions about the vans. Things that make you go hmmmmm...
I'm not an idiot and I am done arguing with you. There is a difference between buying something out of the back of a van and buying a stock that is monitored by our government.
Rufus and company were giving warning after warning not to listen to shorts, not to be shaken out of their shares, not be caught without, to make sure they requested their certs, etc. By your standards, if shareholders did not listen to these warnings they would be to blame.
There were arguments and warnings from both sides. It's not unrealistic for an investor to believe a CEO filing with the SEC over some random people on message boards and web sites.
I give Rufus full credit for getting this to $4. Anyone that made money on this should thank him for that. That doesn't change the fact that "if" he committed fraud, he is the one to be held accountable for all losses.
I think we should fight to get the laws changed so that the penalities for these crimes are so tough that no CEO would dare try this without a death wish. I think 20 years should be mandatory.
If we can't blame someone who commits fraud, who can we blame? Maybe we should just let all the criminals out of prison since it was really the victim's fault for allowing the crime to happen.
You are absurd and I cannot debate someone on that level.
You are pretty sharp for a new trader in the market. Do not give up. You have more potential than most I have seen over my 20 years. Every one of us has been fooled at least once. You were only half-fooled.
Where is good ole' Ben these days?
Whatever happened to Ben? I guess someone decided he wasn't split-tongued enough to be allowed on the radio.
I still disagree. I am not going to blame someone just because they were warned. I would suppose that everyone who ever did anything truly great in life was told (warned) by several people that they were waisting their time and it was not possible.
If a crime is committed, the criminals are to blame and nobody else.
I think it is awful to blame victims or tell them to accept blame.
If your mother was raped, would you tell her that it was her fault for wearing a skirt in a bad part of town? If your house was broken into and your children taken in the night, would you want your neighbor to blame you for not installing an alarm system?
I mean give me a freaking break. The criminals are to blame. Sure we can all take measures to make our lives more safe, but that does NOT excuse criminal behavior and it does not place the blame upon the victims.
If someone was hurt badly or had a crime committed against them, I am going to try to comfort them and encourage them, not tell them it was their own stupidity.
Sorry I disagree. If a someone commits fraud, it is their fault and not the victim. Sure I agree we should learn a lesson and be more careful next time, but it is NOT our fault for having a crime committed against us.
If Rufus committed fraud, he is to blame and nobody else.
Again I have to disagree. Just because the stock went over his purchase price doesn't make it his fault. Rufus said $15 and higher. He promised $15 was the minimum.
If Rufus didn't make a promise of $15 then I'd agree with you. If you tell me you are going to pay me $15,000 for my car and then you give me $4,000, I'm not going to say okay, cool, I'll take it, just forget the $15,000 you promised me.
Rufus also warned her about you. I think you are being hard on her. You cannot expect someone to know who is lying and who is telling the truth. It's not unreasonable to expect to be able to believe a CEO filing information with the SEC over some random guy who calls a company a scam on his web site.
The criminals are to blame. Sure we need to look out for ourselves and be careful, but when a crime is committed against us, we are not to be blamed. We blame the criminals and we punish the criminals.
If your daughter is raped, is it her fault? Please Tim.
Do not be surprised to later find out the shorters and the company were all playing on the same team.
Wolves in sheeps clothing.
They might want to get Paul to help them clean out the den.
Well his spelling is fairly poor and I have heard him make up words in his interviews.
If Rufus said it, the opposite is more likely. It amazes me that people think that good stocks are the ones that get shorted.
Do they think people sit around thinking... hmmmm... okay team, who has a really strong and promising stock we can go short and bash?
Here is a fact for you. Newbs don't short stocks. People who short stocks are much more experienced and knowledgable than the average trader. If someone has shorted a stock and you haven't, the person who has shorted probably (not in all cases) knows more than you in general about trading stocks.
People short bad stocks in most cases. Sometimes they think the stocks are bad and are wrong, but I can't think of many reasons someone would intentially short a stock they thought was good.
I have followed a lot of scams but to be quite frank, I have never read so many idiotic statements on one stock thread as I have following CSHD. Never in 20 years and I mean that. Someone rounded up the newbs for this party.
SIDE NOTE: Has this stock traded today?
Confidence is HIGH!
Proposal to break from posting on CSHD.
I think it's about time we all start to move on with our lives. This stock has consumed many of us. Sure, it is extremely interesting but I propose that we stop posting for a couple of days unless there is some breaking news.
We should just let this pig die. Why support it by keeping the thread popular? I'm not saying stop posting in general, but I suggest we take a break from CSHD.
I consider it to be similar to watching too much TV or playing too many video games. At some point you wake up and remember that there is more to life.
Have a good day.
Have you seen me rubbing anything in anyone's face? Have you ever seen me say I told you so or advise anyone to sell the stock? I said from day one there is money to be made here if you stay level-headed, don't get greedy and know when to get in and get out.
Just because I think Phil is a punk does not make me arrogant. If you want to know the truth, you used to come across as being very arrogant and above all others. I see no reason to attack each other's character. If you really want to attack someone, why not focus on the cons that are taking money from good people?
BlueDiamonds could be Corey.
That makes sense. I suspect Corey to be an extremely intelligent person who may not have done anything illegal. Some people can do unethical things to make money without actually breaking any laws. BlueDiamonds seems to make every attempt to pump without subjecting himself to any real liabilities, so that would be a good guess.
I wrote Don to warn him about the actions of ATCSPaul. Little did I know Don owned the stock too. I pointed out that they have a responsibility to disclose that they own the stock before they start banning people who have negative opinions or who offer doubt. The next day Paul and Don both posted they owned the stock. When I wrote Don I wasn't sure Paul owned the stock, but it was the only explanation for how I, and others like me, were being treated. When Don and Paul both admitted to owning CSHD stock, it all finally made sense to me and I stopped posting on HSM and started posting on iHub.
The opinion seemed to be that HSM was based in Canada and a private message board so they could do whatever they wanted.
Hey, something good came out of this right, you were born (metaphorically speaking) and I think you are a big asset to everyone.
Arrogance or experience? Some things I know and understand and some things I do not. I am not an arrogant person. I am quite a realistic person. I know something or I do not. Phil is a low-life in my opinion. I witnessed it. If you have a different opinion, so be it. No, I am not a "savior", you are right about that. All I ever wanted to do was encourage people to do research beyond what Phil was providing to pump his investment.
What do you mean how did my parents raise me? Do you see something wrong with who I am as a person? I am honest, good, giving, opinionated, spirited, stand up and a number of traits I believe are honorable in a person.
People should take a level of responsibility for things that happen in their lives, but Phil is the last person that should be offering that advice. He conned a lot of people on a number of issues.
I don't think people are mind numb zombies, but I think I do have over 20 years experience in the market, many of which I closely followed scams. I may have something to offer some of these people who this is their first stock.
I don't try to change the transmission on my car but that doesn't mean I am stupid. It means someone else probably has a certain level of expertise that I do not have.
If you think I am the epitome of arrogance, you live in a sheltered bubble far distand from true arrogance.
OMG that would be something to know.
Phil from HSM is a LOSER, read:
"It is your responsibility to DD the company and assume the risk of investment. If you can not do that then you need to stay out of the market period. This isn't a training grounds where you get a second chance at learning how to invest wisely."
-- Phil (from HSM), Tuesday December 5th, 2006.
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This idiot Phil made everyone think he was the DD king. He provided and spoon fed people with Bull Crap for months during the pump phase of this.
When I tried to post "red flags" on HSM, Phil lead the lynch mob into getting me banned. He belittled me every chance he got in order to discredit any negative opinions I had. He fully participated in manipulating the price of CSHD stock and now he wants the same investors he bullied into buying this stock to take full responsibility for their own actions.
What a pathetic LOSER you are Phil.
Dr. Mensah pointed the finger at Rufus, Rufus pointed back. The Humanitarian Group issued a C&D and Rufus pointed the finger back. Rufus called the TA's criminals, he called Michael Alexander a sneaky Son of a Bitch. He alluded to Mitch Sepaniak as being a rat. Now he creates a shareholder committee and then points the finger at them.
Do you not get the picture? Either you are wearing blinders, dumb or in on this and I choose to give you credit for wearing blinders.
"where has Dogmando been? im starting to wonder if people know something that the rest of us should...?" - rwscott01 (from HSM)
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There are a few pumpers missing now huh? It happens every time. Your "friends" pack up and leave and then you are standing there looking around with nobody to talk to. You're in deep doodoo because you invested more than you can afford to lose and there is nobody waiving pom poms or ringing cow bells for you anymore.
I've seen this story play out at least 20 times in my life and probably a lot more than that. It's the same crap each time. I get called basher, short, threatened and ignored. In the end nobody apologizes and all their friends start disappearing one by one.
Someone spent $200 on CSHD already.
If the company doesn't get off their asses and file the 10Q, amended 10K and S-4 ASAP, this stock is going to dry up. When it dries up, there will not be enough buyers for all these people with thousand upon thousands of shares to sell to.
Hence, the term "bag holder."
Jesus this post should go on the first page. No one has ever brought this up before, and this is the truth. People, if you cant see this, I don't know what to say. Even if I weren't down 100K here, I think I would still be saying the same damn thing, lol. -- stocks4life (from HSM)
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This guy says he is down 100K and he can still laugh? Man, it must be nice to be that rich. There are many, many investors down 100K or more on this stock. Where do you think that money is right now? Start with Michael Alexander and AJW partners, offshore and limited and then work your way around.
Out of your pocket and in to theirs. Merry Christmas!
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Stocks4life
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He isn't an idiot, he managed to scam thousands upon thousands of people, and get away with it, without having to face any charges.
Remember, on his Birthday, he was partying like it was 1999. Loving life to its fullest. Why? Because he has $$$$ via him telling his buddies and FAMILY like his mums to buy the "crap outta it" and sell the "crap outta it" at around $4.
Btw, if you goto www.highrollas.com, and look at the SOUNDBOARD at the very bottom, and click on GUARANTEE A,.B,C, you will see what has happened. You might also ask yourself, why he was saying in those Guarantees that "I don't care if people buy or sell, its their perogative". Then why was he going on MN1 to pump it, in July? Why was him and Ben Stanly (He has more money than I do, but Wow, he is the biggest idiot I have ever heard) How come they were pumping it, and telling people to buy, but then at the same time saying "oh it doesnt matter, if you buy or not, it will go up because of institutions?" Lol. It was becuase he NEEDED US TO BUY IT.
Jesus this post should go on the first page. No one has ever brought this up before, and this is the truth. People, if you cant see this, I don't know what to say. Even if I weren't down 100K here, I think I would still be saying the same damn thing, lol.
As I said, go listen to those GUARANTEES. And ask yourself WHY?
You're on the right thread, CSHD, but you should try HSM. There are lots of suckers over there.
Very true. All he needs to do it is wait a few months, then change the symbol and company name and start over. When you see a company changing the ticker symbol and company name through mergers or business changes, RED FLAG. Cover your tracks and do it again. Boys will be boys and con artists will be con artists.
If we lived in a country where you had your right arm cut off for scamming, at least we'd be able to tell who the crminals were at the BBQ.
Would all the potentially honest people please raise your right hand.
Yes, some logs can be big business. That is why companies choose to use it to scam people. The logs are hard to prove or disprove and they are a hot topic in many circles.
There are some logs sunken in the great lakes that are being recovered. These logs were the most dense and they are so deep that the oxygen has not destroyed them. They are used to make musical instruments, furniture and a number of items and they are very expensive.
One problem that some people do not realize is that the removal of these logs can damage and destroy parts of the ecosystem.
Bonds are very cool too, but the problem is I do not believe Michael Alexander has logs or bonds. Well he may have a few logs from the oak trees on his land but I don't think he owns the Amazon. What a joke.
Message to longs:
The SEC is telling you this is fraud. That opens the door for law suits. You just need to decide who to go after. It can't get any easier for you in this case. Most of the time when class actions are taken, the SEC has not charged anyone with fraud. It is normally the shareholder who is left with the burden of proof.
I have read many "longs" on the HSM message board asking people to realize that it was your own fault for believing. Yes, we should all realize a certain level of responsibility for our actions, but it's not unrealistic to expect a CEO of a publically traded company to tell the truth! We expect our government to put the necessary laws and punishments in place to deter this kind of behavior from company executives.
The scammers want you to just wait patiently until you finally just move on with your life. If you do that, you let them walk all over you and take your money.
It's up to you. You can either fight or you can let them hurt you and get away with it and they will move on to hurt someone else.
Are you a man or woman, or are you a floor mat?
CSHD ranked 20 on iHub this morning.
It's getting pretty sad. I am starting to get really bored posting here, but you guys are the only people I know in message board land. Should we find another stock?
Unless the company figures out a way to hype this stock without getting thrown in prison, I suspect it won't even be ranked by the end of the week.
Heck, all we could find to talk about yesterday was Kraft.
Rufus getting shareholders to do the dirty work now. I notice that the committee has been asked to handle the NOBO/OBO lists to try to determine the number of naked shorts.
If you participate in providing misleading information in order to increase the value of your investment in CSHD you are taking a big risk. Ask yourselves why the company would ask shareholders to do work for the company? Especially a company will billions of assets.
Give me a freaking break people. Do not participate in criminal activity.
Trading between accounts to create volume and walk the stock price up.
Wouldn't it be something if it comes out that someone was trading this stock by shorting it in one account and buying it from another account in order to create volume and walk the stock price up.
They would risk nothing by doing this. If the stock goes up, their stock buy increases in value. If the stock goes down their shorts increase in value. They accomplish creating volume and they walk their bids up over time to create both volume and an appearance of stock value increasing.
They also can make it look like "air shares" are being traded by producing this volume.
Once the volume and interest is flowing they start selling their shares they purchased and increasing their short position.
Once they sell their shares and take a nice short position, they let the company go to pot so that the SEC stops trading on the stock and they don't have to ever cover their shorts.
Marketing companies trying to feed upon CSHD suckers. They mention CSHD in an unrelated stock to draw interest from CSHD followers.
http://www.stockhouse.com/news/news.asp?newsid=4825934&tick=PHGI
Is Tut broke?
What happened. I thought Tut and his partners were supposed to be "in the know" on this stock and have deep pockets. Why aren't they buying shares this morning? If they want to paint the stock price surely they can afford more than 100 shares at .30. I mean so far there is a whopping $30 of stock traded this morning.
Nobody willing to buy more than 100 shares this morning? That's pretty sad. Are you telling me that the bonds are real and Rufus' business partners know it, but they are out of money today? Surely the stock is worth .30 a share for them since they are "in the know."