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I think TTEN trading on the Gray market is temporary. We'll see in the coming months.
Look at ATLS....apparently that survived as the management company.
It the past it would have traded lock step with ARP. Since sept. 1 it's almost tippled.
but they have this in their SEC fillings.
"Our ownership interests in ARP will be cancelled upon confirmation and consummation of the Plan, which could impact our liquidity for normal operating expenses, servicing our debt, capital expenditures and distributions to our unitholders and which raises significant risks and uncertainties about our ability to continue as a going concern."
yeah It will convert according to the pre-pack...when...I don't know.
look at my previous posts and the court docs.
$1,000,000 face value of unsecured notes.
Fully loaded and ready for conversion.
yes...and you get some cash too.
about 25% of your money is returned almost immediately as cash.
at least that is my read on the BK approval.
this is ultra deep value...perhaps do some research on where nat gas will go in the future...This is dirt cheap
http://www.eia.gov/naturalgas/weekly/
It's a little different in Vanguard. Can't trade it but it lists the value as 32.00.
Yeah...study it closely. It's old fashioned otc though. you have to call your brokers fixed income desk.
And illiquid.
If you own them...you own them.
Yeah...well...sometimes I wonder why I bother posting, I decided it helps me self check my research and drives me to prove out my assumptions.
So...It is a selfish exercise.
That's the only way I can justify continuing to post.
they all fall into the same class. Class 5 and are treated equally
can't do that.
I wasn't talking about you...thought that was obvious.
I was just putting up a smoke screen cause I thought the link I provided was valuable...and since we've communicated I thought I'd dig it up and provide it to you.
perhaps read it in a different light now.
OMG is this company going under what should I do with SDOCQ?
was it a bad idea to buy the common equity of a company going BK?
oh...by the way just for you.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=124778895
Since you're pretty smart.
Effective Date or 90 days after the refinancing or repayment of the New First Lien Exit Facility and thereafter in cash. The New Building Note will
mature five years after the Effective Date. Under the Restructuring Support Agreement, certain holders of the Unsecured Notes have committed to
purchase the New Building Note. On July 14, 2016, the Company conducted an auction for the New Building Note, which auction yielded a winning bid
in the amount of $27.0 million in cash.
http://d1lge852tjjqow.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001349436/94fd00a4-f9a8-4969-85de-4c0c62685ffd.pdf?noexit=true
Trying to help you out here.
JPM and all that is irrelevant to what is going on in SD. You're getting distracted by something that will not help you make money. Focus on the data you were computing recently regarding the conversion to equity.
Everyone is responsible for their own investment decisions...but I really think you can run the math. Look at the SEC fillings and you'll confirm the value of the New Building note.
As for JPM
500mill is a drop in the bucket.
It begins to feel like charity work explaining the plain facts.
You did an excellent job there in your explanations of real life finance.
perhaps you'll be able to list it as a charitable donation on tax returns.
Getting that pop was just luck. Darn good luck for those who sold the pop.
The New building note is about 27MM add that to the 10mm and devide by 2.2 billion.
I think you understand quite well what to do.
not to mention about 25% cash back if you buy at 7 cents on the dollar.
You're calculations are basically accurate. What the value is...who knows.
well...technically that changes month to month. even day to day.
So you'd have to look at all of the SEC fillings.
It's perhaps not relevant now.
With commodities at the lows it was debt at 4x assets.
ARP was hedged out to 2019 and it didn't change the prospect of BK cause of the Credit facility.
Now assets are greater than liabilities.
If y'all buy the bonds you will be issued new stock
***General Unsecured Claims***
Class 5(a) – General Unsecured Claims other than Unsecured Trade Claims a. Classification: Class 5(a) consists of all General Unsecured Claims other than Unsecured Trade Claims. b. Allowance: On the Effective Date, the Unsecured Note Claims shall be deemed Allowed in the aggregate amount of $2,349,039,495, consisting of: (i) $407,579,338 in unpaid principal and interest on account of the 8.75% Unsecured Senior Notes due 2020; (ii) $767,396,956 in unpaid principal and interest on account of the 7.5% Unsecured Senior Notes due 2021; (iii) $531,429,327 in unpaid principal and interest on account of the 8.125% Unsecured Senior Notes due 2022; (iv) $553,866,011 in unpaid principal and interest on account of the 7.5% Unsecured Senior Notes due 2023; (v) $40,978,717 in unpaid principal and interest on account of the 8.125% Unsecured Convertible Notes due 2022; and (vi) $47,789,146 in unpaid principal and interest on account of the 7.5% Unsecured Convertible Notes due 2023, plus in each case, applicable Unsecured Notes Trustee Fees. For the avoidance of doubt, the Unsecured Note Claims shall not be subject to any avoidance, reductions, setoff, offset, recharacterization, subordination (equitable or contractual or otherwise), counter-claim, defense, disallowance, impairment, objection or any challenges under applicable law or regulation. c. Treatment: On the Effective Date, or as soon thereafter as reasonably practicable, except to the extent that a Holder of an Allowed General Unsecured Claim other than Unsecured Trade Claims agrees to less favorable treatment, in full and final satisfaction, compromise, settlement, release, and discharge of and in exchange for each Allowed General Unsecured Claim other than Unsecured Trade Claims, (i) each such Holder shall receive its Pro Rata share of: (1) $10 million in Cash; (2) 16.5% of the New Common Stock issued by Reorganized SandRidge on the Effective Date, as fully diluted by the Conversion Equity (measured through the Conversion Date) but subject to dilution by the Employee Incentive Plan, Rights Offering Equity, if any, and the Warrants; (3) the Rights, if applicable; (4) the Warrants; and (5) the New Building Note Proceeds; and (ii) in accordance with Article IV.P of the Plan, the Debtors shall distribute Cash equal to the Unsecured Notes Trustee Fees incurred before the Effective Date without application or approval of the Bankruptcy Court and without a reduction to recoveries of the Holders of the Unsecured Notes (as to which it is anticipated that the Unsecured Notes Trustees will exercise their contractual lien rights prior to distribution). Distributions to the Holders of Unsecured Note Claims shall be made to the applicable Unsecured Notes Trustee in accordance with Article VI of the Plan and shall be subject to the rights of each Unsecured Notes Trustee to assert its applicable Unsecured Notes Trustee Charging Lien. d. Voting: Class 5(a) is Impaired. Holders of Allowed Class 5(a) Claims will be entitled to vote to accept or reject the Plan.
161. “Warrants” means (a) the new warrants for 12.5% of the New Common Stock which shall have an exercise price of $1.625 billion aggregate value of the New Common Stock at the trailing 30-day volume-weighted average price, and (b) the new warrants for 5% of the New Common Stock which shall have an exercise price of $1.739 billion aggregate value of the New Common Stock at the trailing 30-day volume-weighted average price, which, in each case, may be exercised on a cash-less basis at any time, in whole or in part, before the sixth anniversary of the date on which the Warrants are issued.
IF YOU WANT TO OWN THE EQUITY YOU OF THE NEW COMPANY THEN THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CURRENTLY DO THAT IS BY BUYING THE BONDS.
They were awarded large numbers of un-vested shares. Even more than a fiduciary incentive they have a financial incentive.
BTW
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Only-Higher-Prices-Can-Prevent-The-Imminent-Natural-Gas-Bust.html
Just thinking of your best interests.
My gut feeling is that the concerns you raised are just technical and legal positioning.
But who knows. They may want to artificially inflate their market cap buy issuance...BAA did that in order to stay listed on NYSE Market.
You think they want to be on OTC?
I don't think there will be any near term dilution and I haven't sold a share but these guys tend to be impatient.
Good for a laugh link.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47512372
don't buy any more...lets take a wait and see approach.
havn't looked at it. Sounds concerning.
...actually I'm willing to bet that it is litigious protections. These are quite complex documents and they have lots of attributes that protect management etc.
I think Leon Cooperman was a holder of the bonds and is on good terms with management...a little data I got from IR about eight months ago.
So I think they will act according to the normal duties of management.
What are the passages that your concerned about.
It was priced at immediate liquidation value.
Yeah...I think their upside is a little more limited than TTEN.
I sold a lot of BBEP bonds to buy the arp bonds but they have both doubled since the sale. So basically the same result via a different vehicle.
I still have about 200k face on that.
They have a great Permian Basin Position but...
There is no pre-pack there and they are fighting it out with 2L in court.
So....
I got the same value relative to bonds...so we're up.
I have no clue how the market will value this.
Assets - Liabilities at current commodity prices is where it is priced.
Assumes management is totally incompetent.
Perhaps they are.
I just keep in mind that this was once valued at a 3 billion market cap and now it is valued at 150 million.
We'll see what happens with the new equity in time.
keep an eye on this
http://ir.eia.gov/wpsr/overview.pdf
new report out at 11 am.
OH...by the way. You might want to take a look at EVEP and MCEP.
Very high quality.
good job. I put that on the intro
good job. I put the namoya pic on the intro
No. if they could have paid the interest there would be no BK
If you had to pay any accrued then you should take that up with your broker and they will straighten it out.
the convertible bonds aren't even trading.
they're worthless i think.
Only the senior notes received consideration.
it is...there's 5,400,000 shares of New Hold Co.
They could simply do a split of five to one when they go to the otc.
This is all just conversion and technical positioning.
I wouldn't count on any big pop when they go otc since the bonds were priced at assets minus debt (though assets were at fire-sale valuation). But they are well positioned with low interest rates and only one third of the previous liabilities. Going into a rising commodities environment. This might be more of a patience situation than you are anticipating.
Interesting dealing with the old style OTC