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Nothing I posted is factually incorrect. Maintaining accountability on one's investments is fiscally responsible, which is exactly what I'm requiring of JAG.
You're more than welcome to assume after a month of no reports following a major RR distibution announcement and a large production run that your money is being appropriated effectively. However, having seen this same scenario play out last year I'm expecting more.
I'm simply not OK with handing over my dollars without asking what it's for; you might be fine with it hoping that JAG will recover your previous losses, but I'm not OK with it this time around.
I agree. This request is not over the top and should be a priority. Given the historical (Calvin) and recent (3 weeks post-production and still no word from our Beloved JAG) abscense of follow-up, this type of behavior and lack of accountability should be under scrutiny.
I for one would like to know how my money is being spent and I like to be updated accordingly. If you're still immune to reality cause you're still high on JAG, you might want to rethink your strategy here. Her moves right now are strikingly similar to Calvin's production last year at this time. Meaning, there was lots of build-up to production, MAJOR placement was promised, then *poof* no news, no placement, no deliveries, nothing...
I'm not bashing, just recounting the similarities of last year's antics and our current situation. The truth is very difficult to swallow especially when it's in the form of your dollars.
I can respect that if she's doing all of what she is saying. The skeptic in me is very apprehensive in believing this whole deal, however. I only say that cause it all sounds so familiar from last time...It's quiet, then BAM!, here's another 2Billion shares to chew on right as news is released. Or, POW!, CEO is fired or let go...Then we're back at zero, again.
I honestly want this to move cause I have a good sized nugget invested along with a lot of time. But, the recent silence with little whispers here and there from unknowns is all too familiar from last time. A few new faces show up on here chanting and cheering and when it hits the fan they're no where to be found or heard from again.
Not a flipper, just a year+ long investor (that flips chunks to be safe. You're lying if you say you don't) that's VERY leery of every move this company makes due to the decisions made by those who run it.
I don't buy into the JAG hype at all. I think that most here are so enamored by her cause she came out with a bang and promised not to screw us. But, as all the hype/smoke settles and the silence sets in, the results are nowhere to be seen.
This is the same EXACT same pattern that Calvin and his boys used each and every time. Remember last year's production run? Yeah, remember the year long period of silence that ensued? Not buying the whole "Oh, she's so busy working and cutting deals that she can't update us". Absolute hooey! If the deals are done, then make it happen. If they're not, then she's keeping silent cause she has nothing to say...Much like last year's run.
Let's get LJ to hug a few more pots of tea at the factory so we can buy more shares that plummet in value after a month cause there is no one buying up the bottles.
This isn't a game of loyalty or ethics or a belief in a person. It's a simple transaction. I'll pony up some money so that you can get your business started, but in return I want updates, no lies, and a return on my investment.
Pretty simple if you ask me, yet JAG is failing to do that in my eyes.
(I do remember a time when you were running SHG as HFBG's IR firm and offered them 504 funding as well...Odd how it all works on the inside).
JAG's SILENCE IS DEAFENING!!!
Ha! Quoted for Truth!! The charts can look great, but if shares are not being bought and Tea isn't being sold then it doesn't make a lick of difference.
Sounds like Grandmama needs to "Man-Up" and do her job. We've been holding her hand through the past 2 years giving her welfare payments through shares and supporting her through the start-up period and all the grief her crooked family has given us week in and week out.
It's time that Grandmama gets a freaking job and starts paying back her debts to all those that helped her get back on her feet.
Nothing new as of this morning. Made 2 phone calls to the shipping contacts that I have in FL and nothing has progressed since I last talked to them. That doesn't necessarily mean that progress hasn't been made, it just means that nothing new has happened or they simply don't know anything more.
The way I see it is that JAG may have pushed out Calvin from the spotlight, but the drinks ultimately belong to him. So, control over HFBG is no longer Calvin's per se, but the drinks that HFBG is selling is in total control of Calvin.
The lack of information from JAG at this point post -production is all too reminiscent of last year's production run. It propped up the PPS, then we heard nothing for weeks. A year later we come to find out that the labels were falling off the bottles, the deals that were made never panned out, and they finally unloaded the cases for $2.50 a case (12 bottles per case) to a local All-A-Dollar store this past month.
This whole scenario stinks of Calvin.
Agreed.
JAG may have cleaned out the crooks, but the MO over at HFBG is still the same. It's a shareholders company and leaving them in the dark this long is bad form.
Investor confidence is straining each day this saga drags out. Most have been pretty patient for over a year, at least I have. So, thin patience is expected given the circumstances and lack of tangible news.
So tired of being propped up by phony CEOs, life-changing deals, restructuring, new management, and empty promises.
DELIVER THE TEA!! Make good on your promises and change the company. You've been in control for 6 months and it's been nothing but fuel for your ego.
I predict JAG resigns. Call me crazy, but everytime there has been a buildup then a stretch of silence someone has been fired, they left, quit, or resigned. It's the sign of the times...
This is one of the main reasons I don't give JAG a passing grade. She's promised delivery within a specific time frame and she just hasn't delivered.
She's falling into the modus operandi of the HFBG of old. Or, we're actually just beginning to find out what she's been about all along.
Nothing left to say. JAG either puts up or shuts up. Nothing but real business is going to move this.
Are you saying that the 2 upticks that we MIGHT see from a series of PRs is all the gas HFBG has in the tank? Cause once it hits 9 & 10 we're going to see a massive amount of selling and if it's only one PR we'll be right back where we are now. We need a series of PRs, 2-3 in one week, of LEGIT placement. Anything short of that and we're stuck in the trips and nothing will have changed.
JAG either makes it happen here and now or it's just not going to happen. Shareholders, even those that preach "long and strong", don't have any more patience for the same old story quarter after quarter, CEO after CEO...The expiration date is about due.
My opinion on JAG remains the same. She's meeting the bare and expected minimums of a CEO of a publicly traded company. I've seen nothing dynamic from her up to this point. The difference this time around, however, is Calvin is no longer around...Just because you're not lying and stealing from shareholders doesn't make you a good CEO.
$200 fees are not going to matter if you're smart and play this right.
I've heard some similar rumblings late yesterday and some today as well. I've been VERY skeptical and sometimes VERY critical over the past couple of months of both HFBG and JAG, so don't label me as a cheerleader or someone trying to pump.
I've heard from distribution channels through phone calls and people, things are on the move. Based on this info I will be adding more to my position this afternoon at the ask.
I've been very forthright with my position and feelings in regards to HFBG. With the info that I have now, I'm willing to increase my stake a bit.
Good luck.
The primary language is also French in the region...Just a thought as to why the mistakes in grammar are frequent.
When Calvin is the benchmark of comparison your efforts do not have to be very great in order to get a passing grade. That's the issue I see with JAG. She hasn't done anything extraordinary, she just hasn't robbed us yet. So, many investors see that as a major success, I see it as expected and minimal performance from a CEO that answers ultimately to us (shareholders).
It's evident from her letters that she's still caught up in the dramatic saga of HFBG and is a ".000 CEO". Until I see the PPS rise on solid distribution and proven networks and sales, she's worthless.
IMO, of course ;)
Your odds at winning the lotto in three different states on the same day are better than that bet on HFBG. No way, no how, is this company capable of scaling to that size. With a current run-rate of under 20k annually there'd have to be a drout in the US and the only fluid left are the pallets that have sat for over a year. Even then, I'd be skeptical that they'd be able to find a stable distribution channel given the current abilities I've seen so far.
No it's not. A conspiracy theory isn't holding HFBG down. The ONLY thing holding this down is HFBG. Reality stinks sometimes, but this isn't going to move until there is substance, no matter how much you love JAG. We're still in the cellar (.000's) till more people actually care, because at this point it's nothing that hasn't already been done before here in HFBG land.
One thing that I find very interesting about this ticker is that I've had an open order for 2 days on the ask and about 1/4 of it has been filled. Very tight structure here. Lots of potential.
Good to know. I've been watching and playing this for a good part of a year now but recently became a bit leery with the action over the past 2 weeks. I got stung a bit on some similar type tickers and wanted to get some thoughts on GLUU before I bought another position.
Any thoughts on the current PPS? It's within reach of it's 6mo low and I'm looking at adding some here.
If we had a nickel for every time that was posted when fins have been due we'd be worth far more as a group than our shares combined.
That's a solid positive. I had the chips stacked against that bet, I'll be honest.
Below Me - You're 100% correct. Just because one person is "less guilty" than the others doesn't make them innocent. JAG and LJ included.
The sentiment on here is as if LJ and JAG are trodden down innocent bystanders that have been abused and taken advantage of by a group of big bad thugs...Uhh, they're all thugs.
The only thing that letter written by JAG accomplished was throwing the "first punch" in what, in my opinion, is going to be a long drawn out and expensive street fight of egos between LJ and Brad.
These guys are products of the ghetto that have brought the ghetto into a white collar world.
***AIMHO, Of course
JAG owns "HFBG". Under corporate laws it can and will (has already been done multiple times) dissolved and recreated wherever LJ sees fit and he takes all the rights etc with him. She's a puppet. You know it and I know it. Didn't make a difference who "owned" it before or who "owns" it now...Calvin and LJ are running the show and you're paying for it.
This is the issue with transparency here. JAG wasn't making millions in the "finance" business and one day decided that she'd call her ol' pal Calvin and LJ and make an offer to buy the company. She was put into place cause she ran with seedy individuals and is carrying on the same role that Calvin did for years under the direction of LJ. She's not a bright light at the end of skid row. She's standing in the middle of the dark tunnel of scum in a skirt and high heels holding a flashlight hoping that a few new suckers get lured in by greed and will hand her a few more dollars. She takes the money and then hands it right over to Calvin and LJ.
Brad got involved cause of his gambling addiction and wanted his money back. So, he threw a temper tantrum, was issued some shares, pissed some people off, and now has been sent on his way but not before he got his money out. At least someone here got some money back out of this thing.
Seedy people + Your Money = HFBG
This is nothing more than a two-bit hustle run by a bunch of thugs, criminals (check Calvin's records), and cons. Your beloved JAG included. She's here to do nothing but pull the wool over your eyes just a little more till the next group of individuals latch onto their fluff PRs and unscrupulous share selling tactics.
I would venture to estimate her departure from HFBG will be before the end of Fall based on the list of previous CEOs and their time of tenure.
Given everything that I just listed off the top of my head, and that if I actually went through the last 2 years of PRs and dug deeper I'd have been able to write a novel's worth of failures and lies, no I do not think that it's unfair or out of line.
The truth is very difficult to hear/read especially when your money is on the line and you're crossing your fingers that JAG is everything that Calvin is portraying her to be. Otherwise you're going to lose more money this time around.
What I love the most is not the mentioning of dilution to reiterate a point, but the delusion that lingers from Calvin's repeated, but slightly altered screenplay that suckers in more and more viewers each and every day.
Spin it however you'd like, but JAG has been in place since March and nothing has changed regardless of what you "hope" she's accomplishing through PRs.
For the time being, that is...She hasn't done anything that hasn't already been done in the past. She's injected a bit of excitement, pushed the PPS a bit, signed a few "Blockbuster" deals, even brought back a few former supporters, but still nothing substantially different. No "life-changers", No "To Da Moons".
Remember ESPN, the Costco Business Complex and manufacturing facility, Hydropower, Jim Brown, NBA All-Star Game, Desserts, Car Shows, Atomic Dogg, the commercial (worst thing EVER), Twombly, repeated 504 dilution, 5th digit selling, labels falling off the bottles, Biagio Cru, Calvin Ross coming onto the forums, Brad, financials late because Gio was dying, the lost shipment of bottles that were never shipped but now we're all so happy cause they're being dumped into a dollar store at a total loss, SHG backing out as the IR firm due to lack of payment, Vegas office being closed before it ever opened, Cruise line deal never happened, Vegas Casino deal never happened (sounds like the recent NY deal cause it's "close to LJ's heart" awwwww so sweet, EVEN and I DARE say EVEN the the Red Robin deal because there is still no proof that it's currently being served, and on and on and on...That's just the stuff off the top of my head!!!
It's just enough bait to lure in some new suckers and to keep the dreamers dreamin'. Buyer Beware.
Any stock, and I mean any ticker, would have seen significant movement and play given the most recent PRs. It's evident that HFBG is a failed system until proven otherwise. Can't push the PPS into the 00's due to a former (I use "former" very loosely because I believe that JAG is woven from the same cloth just in a skirt) manipulation of 504 funding and dilution.
FYI: I don't want your 5's. I don't even want your 4's or 3's. I hold a massive position averaged in at nearly twice the current PPS. It's really not about profits at this point because I already have them from this ticker. It's about accountability and integrity, of which HFBG (JAG included) have none.
It's terribly reminiscent of the past. Not even the Positive Folks on this board are willing to pony up for the ask...Only because they know that this is the same stock with the same news when Twombly, Calvin, Biagio, Gio, Brad and crew were singing the same song. JAG will soon be added to the long and sickly list of failed CEOs, Puppets, and Pawns in this twisted game of selling shares.
They think that we've all come so far with her, but we're in no better of a position now that we were 2 years ago. Check the board and the PPS is you don't believe me.
I've got 43MIL of them gift-wrapped for you :D Slap that ask!!
There is a vague figure in regards to the amount produced. However, there is no definitive information on the amount ordered by the distributor or how much is being distributed. We don't know if it's 1 bottle or if it's 100,000 bottles.
Don't see what you want to see. See what is really there and what is concrete. Again, this PR is fluff.
Just trying to be a voice of reason amongst the crazed hype. I still hold a very large position in HFBG and do not want it to fail. I do, however, want to keep them honest and accountable.
It's not great news. It's just more of the same. More forward looking statements. More promises with no backing of figures, availability, or order amounts...Nothing.
It's the same old song and dance. Release news with figures. Release news with where the Tea can be purchased. No more BS and fluff.
You may very well be correct. This might be an opportune time for HFBG to begin it's play Northward given the recent financial happenings. What that means is if production is timed right, and PRs are backed with results; these happenings combined could cause this stock to skyrocket because of recent happenings on the market. It might just blow the doors wide open just because nothing else is gaining right now.
I can agree with you, but I have to counter with the same argument: It's the same pattern, just different details this go-around. "New Direction", "Massive Distribution", "New CEO", "Big Deals", "LJ is cleaning house"...
What's being done right now is nothing that hasn't been done before. Although the particulars are different, the direction and intentions from HFBG are the same. It's evident in the revenues, follow through on their PR's, and the general sentiment towards to the company outside of this board.
Just to counter that...She hasn't done anything quantifiable. Meaning, nothing has been backed by numbers, sales, production figures, delivery, or a significant turn around from the past.
Not saying that she isn't going to deliver on her promises, just stating the current results. At this point in time, this is no more than just more of the same ol' same ol' from HFBG, just wearing a skirt this time around.
The PPS is still in the trips, information and transparency is still scarce, investors are still anxious, tea is still not being served anywhere only reports of deals that have gone through, and both sides of the table still singing the same tune from over a year ago.
Too many folks are trying to retire off of this and it's simply not going to happen; especially LJ and JAG.
It's just my opinion and I'm not trying to be contentious with you whatsoever...I just don't buy it anymore. This is the same pattern that we've seen time and time again. The only thing that keeps bringing people back is the slim chance of another great run. This is a lotto play that too many people have become emotionally attached to and it's evident in the posts day in and day out.
Everyone is hoping for a winner and HFBG knows it. We're falling into their trap over and over again.
That's great. We're in the same field and I haven't heard a thing.
I don't see that as being definitively clear. Is that what you "want" to believe, or what you know for a fact?