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which did I neglect, digi. bring em on when you have a chance and i'll answer them when i have a chance.
You may already be familiar with this, but customer migration docket # 160 is now playing a big part in 10-195 as PSNH has experienced massive customer migration as a result of high electrical rates. As a result docket 10-195 high electrical rates being proposed is having an alarming impact on slowing docket 10-160 down. Keep an eye on this as NH knows what's going on here and is VERY concerned over this.
THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
21 S. Fruit Street, Suite 10
Concord, N,H. 03301 -2429
February 4, 2011
Re DE 10-1 60, Public Service Company of New Hampshire
Customer Migration
Extension of Time
To the Pa rti es:
Tel. (603) 271 -2431
FAX (603) 271 -3878
TOO Access Relay NH
1-800-735-2964
Website
wwwpuc_nh.gov
On January 28, 20 11 , the Office of the Consumer Advocate (DCA) filed a request for an
extension of time to file legal briefs in the above referenced mailer. According to the request, in
light of the press of other mailers and the signi ficant issues presented in this docket the February
9,201 1 deadline for filing briefs "wou ld present a hardship for the DCA." The DCA represents
that the parties, except for the Business and Industry Association who had not responded by the
time of the OCA's fi ling, and Commiss ion Staff do not object to thc cxtension.
The Commission has detennincd that granting thc extension will not unduly dclay the
proceeding or adversely affect the rights of any party. Accordingly. the deadline for filin g briefs
is extended to February 25, 20 11.
Sincerely,
,\ .L (
Debra A. Howland
ExecLitive Director
"He is in full support of the project."
The governor has stated, as you know, that the Laidlaw proposal is before the PUC for approval. You need to reread that article, as it was an endorsement by the Daily Sun not the governor. Are you really thinking the governor will overrule the PUC? I'm thinking that if the governor was at all interested in letting political maneuvering outweigh PUC input, the PUC wouldn't have come down nearly as hard on the PPA as they did on Tuesday. It would involve a great deal of back paddling on the PUC staff's part at this point I can assure you.
Crossing still taking place on experts for the PUC just beginning on Tuesday. There is no way the 8th will be the final day. This still has a long way to go.
I think the tables used need to be published by the PUC in order for me to feel comfortable with not violating confidentiality, or at least the testimony pertinent to the tables needs to be made publicly available. Additionally, the focus is turning towards the absence of competitive bidding creating a valid statistic of offerings made by other projects that at a minimum should have been offered bidding packages vs. the outcome which is a significantly higher than market rate projection total over 20 years that is massively beyond your calculations and is obtained by tables used by industrial assessors to reach conclusions. I understand, however, that others have done their calculations in a similar manner to yours but that's not a calculation the experts are buying into thus far who have been hired by the state of NH and the Office of Consumer advocate.
You will see that your analysis does not match (in the least bit) what experts for PUC staff have unveiled based on tables that were provided by the city of Berlin expert. I know the city expert didn't intend to pave the way for Tuesdays's thrashing of the PPA by PUC staff and OCA experts, but that table, which will now become public, shows massive over markets costs.
I think Bartoszek, himself, has alluded to the idea that the company (Laidlaw) in exchange for some sort of compensation is no longer a part of Laidlaw Berlin Biopower, however the poster here by the name of mbartoszek has stated the following:
"mbartoszek
Tuesday, January 25, 2011 9:15:45 PM
Re: JMcKemie post# 84873 Post # of 85799
Laidlaw is not a party to the proceeding, which is why we have nothing publicly to do with it. You can bet if we remained a party I would be providing the majority if not all of the testimony for Laidlaw.
We are not impacted by changes to the PPA, but approval is certainly good for us and I'm pretty optimistic that this will get worked out."
If that statement is accurate, and the poster is truly mbartoszek, then it isn't likely the rumor is true. I've heard the same rumor,but I haven't seen the letter to confirm that rumor.
thanks tim, at least one of us is talking quarters instead of cutting up pennies, huh. If this baby goes high nuf today, look at the bright side, some of you longs can finally profit for real by actually takin money and running.
Today? No no no. This is Laidlaw's pump day. Retracing is tomorrow. ssssshhhhh don't even talk about a retrace today.
Gee let's see. Experts Traum, McCluskey, Franz, using Laidlaw proponent City of Berlin expert testimony Skip Sancousy, got a hold of Skips own exhibits, and ripped them to shreads. Half truths and lies you say, my friend? Ah yes- your just going to have to wait for the testimony to be printed while you're waiting for the link. ;)wink wink. GLTU with that approach.
Of course there is nothing suspect about a generic announcement by Laidlaw after a horrible day for Laidlaw at the PUC. That just doesn't make any sense, does it?
That's pretty good BM. Laidlaw's entire future hinges on Berlin at this moment imho. Yesterday they got blown out of the water without a doubt, and the timing of this announcement is suspect as usual. You will disagree as will all your fellow pumpers which is fine.
PUC staff experts and oca experts, with the assistance of exhibits provided by the city expert ripped this PPA apart at the seams yesterday. And the heaviest comment of the day was at the very end by the biggest guy of the day who, red in the face, stated "no wonder we don't get anything done in this state." This comment being uttered about NH? Last I knew NH is rated one of the best places to live. I'm not so sure that can happen without getting things done. NH just doesn't want it done this way or with this PPA based on testimony yesterday.
THE RATE TO THE RATE PAYER ON THIS PPA IS WAAAAAYYYY TOO HIGH AND PSNH/LAIDLAW JUST WONT BUDGE AN INCH ON IT.
This guy doesn't even realize this provides no power to the host town. If anyone has a used microwave I understand Laidlaw staff at the Berlin plant has asked the chamber as to whether one is available to be donated. You go Big!
No. the only listing I've ever seen is "Laidlaw Berlin Biomass Energy LLC" which is exactly as the name appears in the local 2010-2011 phone book. (603)752-8401. If you call the number you will get a recording that you have reached Laidlaw Berlin Biopower.
That's just the influx taking jobs. There are approximately 170 other jobs that will be hired from within the area. Just saying, but haven't dealt with that payroll yet. Working on it though.
I didn't say he's lying. Conveniently he's left out the fact that 50+ million in annual payroll is coming to Berlin in days. Instead he's focusing on a project that, at best, would pay well under 5 million in direct job annual payroll. You tell me who's painting a more realistic picture for the PUC? Let me guess, you think the mayor is, correct? lmfao
Ah...so you were of the impression that tax revenue from Laidlaw Berlin Biopower was the answer to NH communities not having to subsidize Berlin's school system? What if you knew you were wrong? As to house sales and rentals, you tell me; With 400 people coming to the area this spring do ya think that might just lead to "brisk house sales" or do ya suppose they'll wander the streets homeless? And as to your last sentence, King buddy, 400 jobs are coming you ol softy, and that doesn't include any from Laidlaw. You see, the PUC prefers to deal with these types of facts rather than "woe is Berlin" statements that aren't entirely accurate.
Certainly facts pertinent to Berlin's economy are very important to a decision. That is why so many politicians are stating Berlin is in ruins without it. The problem with painting such a picture is that it isn't believable if one of King's horses can knock them off their feet in a few sentences. It could have been anyone that ushered in facts to the contrary of what these politicians are trying to pull off. I appreciate the continued compliments on your part, King, you ol softy, but seriously you probably could have done even better, especially if it involved some sort of email, right?
I'm willing to bet it reaches 0045 tomorrow by the "controllers'" doing. That doesn't mean it's a good day, just that there is a need to control the fall.
The PUC knows that a 50 million payroll + is coming to Berlin without Laidlaw. They learned this, if they didn't already know, from my testimony before the PUC. They also know that the mayor and local politicians are not shooting entirely straight with the state if they are not also providing information on this huge influx of dollars and jobs to the area.
A good guess is sometime in March if the hearings end in Feb.
I don't buy cheapies, sorry.
I've heard that also. How do you know Halle is president? Link?
...and continue to provide wood to the paper mills under contract to do so.
1) "Who currently owns this property at this moment." PJPD Holdings
2)" In November peeps claim there was some construction going on (which they believed was LLEG), why? Was it?" The PUC mandates no constuction can begin prior to PUC approval. Laidlaw has testified before the PUC that no construction has taken place. From what I've seen, Chapman Container, a local scrap metal company has been removing unnecessary scrap metal. I have heard that Chapman is compensated with the scrap metal he takes.
3) "With all of the government cutbacks is it even realistic there are new and improved grants available for this project to even be viable?" Yes. There have been extensions to these grants.
4) "Is there PUC approval and funds to even get this project off the ground at all in 2011?' I believe there are funds, I believe the PUC will make a decision on this in March, and if the decision is favorable I believe construction will begin in 2011.
"And he wonders why people accuse him of lying, telling half truths and spreading misinformation. Its a wonder!"
It's pretty easy to substantiate who's spreading misinformation here, BigBucks. You have confused Hydro Quebec with Noble/Brookfield which is understandable with all the activity going on. Noble/Brookfield, (#1 on the queue) is a wind farm bringing 200 jobs to the Berlin area before spring. And yes, prison guards along with all other employees are respectable people that are trained professionals in their field. All totaled, whether you agree with me or not, these two projects bring tens of millions in payroll to the area and provide 400 jobs.
Additionally wood availability has been established within the PUC as within their scope of consideration. The PUC will absolutely continue to obtain information that can impact wood supply up until their decision is made, and have testified that wood issues are being taken into consideration by the PUC. On Monday 900,000 acres in Maine and NH will change hands and if you think this won't have an impact on wood supply you need to think again.
As to the Coos Loop, when Noble uses up grid space, Laidlaw needs to power down or shut down if it ever made it to the grid to begin with. Or, the coos loop could receive an upgrade to avoid this.
Nah, I think you're grasping at straws now invest with Laidlaw Energy. But you guys can have a rally for today as the stock market is closed and I'm on route to deal with this 75 million in payroll coming to town outside of the Laidlaw company. Have a great day to all pumpers, investors, and to the one or two in opposition- wink wink.
I guess they did. ssssshhhhhh I think many are having second thoughts but that's ok as they never really voiced anything other than filling in a blackness within a dot which is quite symbolic of Laidlaw Energy, as much is done in the dark shadows with the Laidlaw company behind the curtains. wink wink.
You're not clear at all. Local 75 isn't the union that Laidlaw is talking about. The NH labor union is whom they claim they will be working with. The local 75 is more of a political ploy with a letter more than anything.
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Thank you tjodel for those kind words. I was wondering when you'd stick up for my interest in Laidlaw and Berlin. ;)
Yes Sir, yon spokesman chosen by the people. Hahahahahah gotta love it.
Funny, in four years I've heard very few comments locally to my views regarding Laidlaw, Woodburner. We must have a silent majority, with you being the selected spokesperson for that group? Interesting. ;)
Not at all. I'm simply stating that Laidlaw's size and urgency has paled by comparison by this influx and it was interesting to see in testimony how Gary Long and Dr. Shapiro didn't want to go into any detail on the impacts these other projects stand to have immediately on Berlin while they were quite specific as to the economic enhancements significantly fewer direct jobs could have on the area.
It has also become part of the record that Berlin's "woe is me" approach that has been used by many to describe the saving grace that Laidlaw provides is being looked at in its appropriate light for the first time now that facts have been disclosed about a 75 million payroll outside of the Laidlaw project coming to Berlin immediately. We all need to face a few facts; The coos loop can only handle so much power without an upgrade and Noble/Brookfield is shooting for completion this year which may force an upgrade to the loop beyond their usage. And everyone is in agreement that there is only so much wood available. Though there may be argument over how much wood is available no one is stating that there is an infinite supply. While this increased usage is being asked for, NH municipalities, other businesses, schools, universities, hospitals and homeowners are looking into the burning of biomass as well. Certainly on a much smaller scale, but all combined, NH wood users add to the necessary wood basket.
A fallacy also has been made that because the mills that closed consumed 1.3 million tons of pulp, that wood is available for biomass. That is a fallacy because at Schiller's going rate of $27.00 per ton, round wood (pulp wood) is far to valuable and wasteful as a source for biomass, but is the key to Sancousy's testimony for usage. That comment alone has a very alarming ring to it as he's one smart guy and if we're heading towards usage of pulp with a 25% efficient plant we're really heading towards waste and efficiency. Additionally, by definition, biomass is presumed to be the "waste product" of the tree and not effectively "round wood" and/or pulp wood.
If Laidlaw were a smaller plant that didn't tax the coos loop and bring into concern the maxing out of available wood supply I'd like to see it situated on a site outside of city center like Clean Power's proposed site, but I could more accept it where it is if these negatives didn't exist.
Laidlaw needs a PPA, would need to meet substantial contingencies in the PPA and a coos loop upgrade. Noble/Brookfield is a done deal and construction begins 3/1/11. We know because we are actively accumulating 140 rentals for these construction workers. In total approximately 200 workers. The Berlin fed prison is built, skeleton crew already here, warden on route in Feb. We know because we've sold houses to these professionals and look forward to the arrival of over 200 more professionals. Payroll of this magnitude (some 75+ million) to begin this spring. Hydro Quebec is in the field meeting with land owners to obtain easements, this is not happening overnight, is also facing opposition in the north country, but is enjoying support in central and southern NH where significantly more voting power gives this a significant edge. Timing will depend on how much litigation with eminent domain.
nooooooo. I believe I stated the mayor asked Local 75. The mayor and all the area's slick politicians that have their hands in the cookie jar know they need the perception that the Laidlaw project is a big deal to Berlin. The reality now, however, is that without Laidlaw, a brand new influx of probably 75 million in payroll is a few months away and well over a 1000 MW may very well be granted renewable status in the form of Hydro, and then of course we have the coos loop maximum capacity to deal with now that Noble is selling their interest in the 100 MW power power project to Brookfield Power on Monday. No financing needed in that deal. Lots happening. Over 400 jobs coming to this small area this spring and summer. (Not to mention the fact that if that many MWs are granted renewable status, by Joe NH just might accomplish its 2025 goal long before hand with just that one project)
True, but you can have projects that don't fit and projects that do fit. You just need to be very careful which one's make sense and which one's don't.
Careful, I've heard figures are significantly below Laidlaw's on this. Just sayin.
The " Local 75" like all other political organizations have been asked by the mayor of Berlin and a few of his comrades to write letters of support. The city has also started a massive push to go beyond intervenor status and hired expert utility assessor witness Skip Sancousy to start literally fighting for the project's benefit as this northern NH political machine is no dummy to the fact that this project has encountered significant intervention issues and needed someone like Sancousy to come to the rescue of this project. Having seen Sancousy's work come by my desk as chair of the Berlin board of assessors, I've seen some very impressive work on his part. Unfortunately for Laidlaw most of the Sancousy testimony has been redlined, however there is still a motion out there for reconsideration of his testimony the outcome of which is due to arrive by the end of this week.
Although Laidlaw was center of attention, watch what impact this republican development starts to have on 10-195. 1200 MW Hydro Quebec right through NH, and the Noble/Brookfield 100 MW project beginning in March of this year. Just the Noble project alone is bringing 140 employees from outside of the area and hiring 60-70 from this area. Immediately after this influx there will be 200+ professionals with the Federal Prison moving into Berlin with an annual payroll of $60 million of which 90% historically ends up going back into the community. The "Woe is Berlin" approach that our area politicians have been counting on at the state level isn't working now that Concord Politicians are hearing these numbers. The head economist for PSNH, Dr. Shapiro really didn't want to hear about all that is happening in Berlin without Laidlaw. She quickly denied having any knowledge of the benefits of massive payroll and jobs coming to the city by the hundreds in just a few months. I wonder why? ;)