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from OI- >>>There has been trader talk about large put positions in IBM being acquired. I heard about a 75,000 contract bid in January 70 IBM puts on Tuesday. This is unverified, but heard from a trader I follow and who is generally reliable. Someone is feeling not-bullish on IBM if it's true.<<
Thanks, hawkerp. I really never disputed the GAAP treatment of gift cetificates. I was just curious that when someone like Walmart comes out and reports sales were this or that last week compared to last year or the week before if they were going through the GAAP procedures to come up with that quick number. I'm still not so sure that they do but it's a fairly moot point since GC's don't account for that big of a percentage of gross sales.
Joe
Good to resolve that and get back to trading. Started researching that about 10am when the dow was at 1385. Now let's see, where is the DOW now...1385. Good, I didn't miss anything! LOL!
Joe
Thank you for your interest in Best Buy. Gift certificates are counted as
revenue only when they are redeemed. Until that time, they are included in
Accrued Liabilities, part of Current Liabilities, because we have taken in
the cash but not recorded the sales.
Shannon H. Burns, CFA
Senior Manager, Investor Relations
Best Buy Co., Inc. (NYSE: BBY)
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TYC- Mlsoft, can't say I disagree with anything you say. I do think the new CEO needs to bandish those cockroaches soon so they will not appear to have been conceived under his watchful eye. This report coming up would be the time to do it. And, there you go - writing off much more goodwill and the the comapny really will appear to be insolvent. Yep, you could be right about BK.
Joe
Sandy, I agree about the GAAP. All I'm saying is that when they come out week to week I bet they are including the gift certificate sales and then when they report they let the accountants perform their magic.
I just can't see a company like Wal-mart when looking at weekly sales backing out gift certifiactes sold and adding in gift certifaicates redeemed and then adding back GC that have not been redeemed by the expiration date. Sure the accountants may do that on a quarterly 10Q but weekly...I don't know.
Joe
Mlsoft, I don't know if I could go as far as say "belly up". They have some good businesses under their umbrella. Of course they really don't have any equity in the whole group. Being highly leveraged will make it tough for them but I see more loike single digit terrority instead of pennies.
JMO, Joe
GM- here's the chart. What I was looking at is that high of about the 13th or so.
Sandy, I can see you point as far as GAAP but I don't think when these retailers report sales throughout a reporting period they need to abide by GAAP standards. BTW, on a balance sheet, how would the entry be posted? on the income statement?
TIA, Joe
GM looks interesting to short here at 37.68
Joe
Looks to me that Fed money is going into bonds. Bet greenie would like to see mortgage rates lower to spur another round of refinancing.
Joe
Why could it not still be shown as a sale? I can see it on the balance sheet as being deferred income but on the income statement I dont see why it wouldn't be shown as a sale.
Anyway, I e-mailed 4 retailers IR departments. Let's see what kind of response I get back.
Joe
TYC-Mlsoft, good play IMO. TYC to come out with results of review of financials before 12-31. Maybe a little risky but TYC hasn't been trading like the news wpould appear to be negative. I do think it will be negative. I don't think we see buying on the lifting of uncertainty. I think they got to deal with all that "goodwill" sooner or later and I think the new CEO would like to get that behind him. We will see. I also have a short position and looking to add.
Joe
JBennett, Good points. My thinking is that like stocks the first 20% will come off quickly.
Joe
Citigroup Files $15B Mixed Securities Shelf >C
I have e-mailed several IR's of retailers.
Joe
AMZN - now down 6%. New LOD.
I like it! I like it!
>>but the data is yet to come in on gift certificates.<<<
Most companies have not broken out sales yet on items. I would imagine that most the media is clueless about when these sales are accounted for GC's. Was it an employee for one of the chains you heard or just a reporter? I just can't see them holding back those sales as they are rung up at point of sale.
Joe
5 years. good point. If it goes 5 years I think it could go 20. 5 years dosen't leave much time until the shat starts hitting the fan in 2008 with the steady flow of boomers starting to retire.
I think we see the most damage the next two years with the biggest percentage hit in 2003.
Joe
>>They don't use gift certificate data until they've been cashed in.<<
I would be curious as to how you know that. I saw something today that said one reason why retailers like GC's is that some folks never get around to using them. If they don't account for the sale when they sell them when do the account for them when they are not used?
Joe
>>"The best for housing is probably behind us," Sung Won Sohn, chief economist at Wells Fargo & Co. in Minneapolis, said earlier this week.
The housing sector has helped spur U.S. economic growth this year, but the economy will likely have to find new sources of growth next year, analysts said.<<<
I think 2003 will be the year of the real estate bust. You saw it here first. LOL!
Joe
>>..and it isnt in the "data" yet!!<<
My gift certificate biz was down to in my hardware store. We count it as sale as soon as we sell it. I can't imagine why the other retailers wouldn't do that too. That's when you take in the money.
Joe
Bonds- I wouldn't buy a bond fund here. Buy the bonds individually outside a fund IMO. Treasuries would be my choice for safety.
Joe
AMZN- Putting in a new low for over a month and dipped below it's 50ema.
>>>Early in the year 2001 twenty-two "expert" Wall Street
analysts from Louis Ruykeyser's "Wall Street Week" gave their estimates as
to where the Dow would be at the close the year. The estimates ranged from
11,400 to 12,300. But the actual Dow close was 10,021. Not one of the 22
panelists guessed that the Dow would close under 11,000.
Again, early this year the same twenty-two top analysts gave their estimates
as to where the Dow would close in 2002. The estimates ranged from 10,750 to
12,100. As of today, the Dow is at 8460. Not one of the 22 experts saw the
Dow closing below 10,000.<<<
Is successful market timing possible?
I doubt that the age-old debate over this most basic of investment questions will ever be resolved once and for all. But one market timer has just proposed a novel way of at least trying to resolve it -- a public challenge and a monetary bet.
The adviser issuing the bet and challenge is Robert Thompson, founder of Bay Capital, a Tampa-based money management firm that strongly believes in market timing.
He was prompted to make the challenge by a comment made recently by Pat Dorsey, director of stock analysis for the Morningstar StockInvestor newsletter. Dorsey dismissed advisory firms such as Bay Capital by saying, simply, that "Market-timing is bunk."
That incensed Thompson enough to fire off a letter to Morningstar that reads, in part: "As professional market timers, we propose the following opportunity to back up your opinion." Morningstar would create a $10,000 account as of Jan. 1, 2003, just as would Bay Capital. Morningstar's account would buy and hold a Russell 2000 index fund, while Bay Capital's would trade back and forth between long and short positions in that index by switching between the Small-Cap Profunds (SLPIX: news, chart, profile) and the Short Small-Cap ProFunds (SHPIX: news, chart, profile).
At the end of 2003, whichever manager has the better performance, both in terms of raw returns as well as risk-adjusted performance, gets to keep all the money. (Though both sides would have the right for four additional years to double up on their bet.)
Thompson has yet to hear back from Morningstar. But he has created his $10,000 account anyway, and says he will be sending brokerage statements for that account to the Hulbert Financial Digest for monitoring. I will be reporting on the account's progress at various intervals throughout 2003.
In the meantime, what light does the Hulbert Financial Digest's research shed on this perennial debate over market timing? In a nutshell, the HFD has found that while market timing is difficult, it can be done. So both sides in this debate can find some support for their position.
This middle-of-the-road posture is well illustrated by the findings of a recent academic study of the Hulbert Financial Digest database by Alok Kumar and Vicente Pons, doctoral students in economics and finance at Cornell and Yale universities, respectively. Their study as yet is unpublished, and is instead circulating in academic circles as a working paper: "Behavior and Performance of Investment Newsletter Analysts."
On the one hand, Kumar and Pons found that the average investment newsletter does not have market-timing ability.
On the other hand, they found that the percentage of newsletters whose market timing has beaten a buy and hold on a risk-adjusted basis, while below 50 percent, nevertheless is greater than can be expected by pure chance. This was true regardless of how the researchers adjusted for risk (and they used a half dozen different formulae).
What this suggests is that, while Thompson has his work cut out for him, he has a fighting chance of winning his wager.
Stay tuned.
In the meantime, best wishes for a happy and prosperous New Year.
For more information or to subscribe to the Hulbert Financial Digest, click here.
>>Syl, pleeeeeze, would you consider moving that discussion to<<<
Whoops, sorry.
JS
Syl, I think you are confusing civil rights and human rights and using them interchangeably.
>>So look how many he converted with that attitude to his way of life... <<
And look what happened when some thought he had become too powerful and their own beliefs were under attack.
>>>Can anyone really say that they are not(well,were not<g>) financially better off after Clinton's tenure?<<
That's like saying isn't more fun to be gorging ourselves to the point of obesity than endure the pain afterwards of a stomach staple job to control our newly developed bad eating habits. I'm not blaming the excesses on Clinton alone but indeed the leadership of our country should have been more vigilant in controling our financial binges.
Joe
From Fleckenstein. I wondered where he went. I use to get him at Real. money. Now he appears to be free at "MSN Money".http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/p36303.asp
>>>Of aught three and the economy
I hope readers find Levy’s forceful words useful. I think that people would be wise to batten down the hatches when they think about next year. I believe it will be the most difficult year since the bubble burst in early 2000, as well as one of the most troublesome years for the major indices.
Obviously, even the geniuses at the Fed feel that way too, judging from the recently released minutes of their last meeting. The testimony shows that they claimed to have acted "because of a faltering economic performance," something I don't remember them anticipating prior to its occurrence. It is my expectation that the market will be down for an incredible four years in a row.
'Miss-the-boat' bucks
As we face the prospect of a market headed lower, let me just reiterate that the main focus of my column has always been to try to help everyone avoid losing money. People sometimes under-appreciate the value of not losing money. Along those lines, I'd like to share a couple of recent statistics from Jim Stack, in his ever-insightful InvesTech monthly letter (see the link at left under Related Sites.). It turns out that, measuring from 1928 to 2002, if you started with $10 and you followed the famous buy-and-hold strategy, that $10 would become $10,957. If you missed the 30 best months, your $10 would only be $154. However, if you missed the 30 worst months, your $10 would be $1,317,803. One can see from these numbers that missing the worst periods is very important to long-run compounding.
Interestingly enough, if you missed the 30 best months and the 30 worst months, your $10 would still be worth $18,558, which is 80% higher than the buy-and-hold strategy. This all comes about because stock prices tend to go down faster than they tend to go up, and tend to do so in compressed periods. Wall Street and most people tend to overlook the value of not losing money, which is why this has been such a keen focus of mine. Some day, when values return, and when the risk/reward equation is skewed to the long side, I hope to be able to turn my attention more to making money, rather than the avoidance of the loss of it.<<<
KSS- Still falling. These retailers are going to get a beating over the next 60 days in my opinion.
Joe
>>Fleck is not objective..<<
Is that an objective opinion? What has he said that you disagree with or find that he is not objective on? Personally I find his commentary interesting.
Keep posting those quotes, George.
Joe
Any chance of a recovery in 2003 are now gone IMO. The weak Christmas retail season is the final nail in the coffin.
That said, the Fed has been signaling us as much. Mlsoft made a good point the other day when he said that we shouldn't expect anything more from the fed and the government than a positive spin.
Look at the Fed's recent smoke signals.
First, we got the half point rate cut. To me that isn't a vote of confidence that the recovery is near at hand. This was an act of desparation in my opinion to try to save Christmas.
Second, we got the deflation statement. If deflation wasn't a concern they wouldn't have to announce that they are going to fight it. Of course deflation says recession ahead all over it.
Third, last week Greenspan opened his remarks with a statement about gold. The forces that drive up gold are not forces usually associated with an economy on the cusp of a recovery. For Greenspan to suggest that higher gold prices are not necessarily bad is saying to me that he has accepted that current conditions may well indeed drive prices higher.
Someone asked me two weeks ago if it was time to get back into the market. I told her that I was more scared now about our economy than I have been the last two years. I think we see some very difficult times next year and 2003 will end up being our 4th year down in a row. I just don't see anything ahead that is going to change that.
JMO, Joe
Mudcat, I have no idea what a NR7 day is. Could you direct me to a link that explains that?
TIA, Joe
KSS- More downside for this one for a longer term play IMO. Just covered some but will add back to my short on any bounce.
GM- I also agree that GM is a core short. Just noticed that AMZN (another core short) has 41% of the market cap of that of GM. Amazing that folks are buying AMZN at this level. What are they thinking?
Joe
GM- I also agree that GM is a core short. Just noticed that AMZN (another core short) has 41% of the market cap of that of GM.
Joe
>>IBM JUSRT WENT BY ON CNBC +79 @159<<
That was my short sale. LOL!
MIR- I guess MIR's numbers were better than expected although they were below projections. MIR currently up 28% on thin pre-market trading.
Joe