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That's laughable-----I had a business that had almost the number of email addresses Marquee does. By doing so it is easier to keep different aspects of the business organized. And yes, ultimately they all came to me, but it was easier setting up different accounts--identities--in my email program for the different aspects of the business. It's done all the time. Even now I have 6 different email addresses for different things I do--so what.
Asus--Just sent you a short list from my site that was started last night. Thanks for this offer--greatly appreciated.
Saw that today also Dave. I had other questions about the TA, but that is a great signal so far. We will have to see in the days to come if it maintains like it has in the past.
Unfortunately Greenspirit--I do remember that--before ABC or NBC had anything.
I remember my Dad having CBS news on with the antenna. Us kids were not allowed to walk around while the news was on. I remember in 1969 the moon landing. Walter was on the air all night.
Mom and Dad went to bed along with my brother and sister and I was allowed to stay up and watch the moon landing.
One small step for $%^n One giant leap for SLJB!
Isn't that what they said? Amazing that day--true history--and that's what we are beholding now. A new threshold in stock market history.
GLTA
Good point greenspirit --I have thought the same thing all along. It really doesn't matter if property in some form or another is transferred from or to the US, there has to be some very strict requirements placed on it.
Now as for the UAE control, I know there is a lot. My sister does some business over there and she had to jump through some hoops to sell purses there. Simple freakin' beaded purses.
I know the elevated requirements of international commerce now, that's why I said that the only recorded asset transfer was actually the $800,000. I know at a minimum that is required or a stock price that will equal that.
So many gov't requirements now, I think I am back in the days of post WWII and watching the german shepards jump through hoops.
OOPS--showed my age:) Still--that's the way it is--Monday--August 28 2006 Good night from Walter Cronkite and Good Night from CBS news----------
Never said I was bashing. I own a lot of SLJB and want it to appreciate. All I am saying is, Assets have been transferred. Okay, no biggie. What assetts are accountable? As of now--before the 10K--$800,000. Is there anything else that can be accountable for? I don't see anything in the Nevada SOS or the SEC.
Like I said--Not bashing, only looking at what is verifiable at this point. I am sure when the 10K comes out there will be much more than we expect. But for now, conjecture makes no sense.
There could be $125,000,000 that was transferred, we really don't know right now. The one thing that is positive is the $800,000 par value. Right?
Now once the 10K/Q comes out, then there is a whole plethora of items that can be accounted for. Unfortunately, right now, we as shareholders have to guesstimate as to where we are going, and I think MM is taking advantage of that right now.
Heck, I am looking at $2-$5 a share before the end of the year--lok at NASDAQ regs--amazing!
Check the requirements of having a stock public
Assets go from people to people, or people to entities or vice versa. The assets don't go to the Sec of State or to a state. The state statute typically requires changes in authorized shares (not o/s or float), changes in officers, changes in directors, fiscal year, location. These are all legal things.
Referng back to your complete post----
Assets for the par value must be kept in a bank account verifiable by the SOS. Check your regs on that one. If you find a reg that conflicts--with number--I stand corrected.
The $800,000 that is on the Nevada site is deposited in a bank that is verifiable to Nevada and/or the SEC. At the minimum, that's required.
Other than that--prove me wrong. If so that's means that SLJB has not deposited the minimum required by the SEC to cover their stock. Right or wrong?
Not bashing, but from what I have seen, IMO SLJB has followed everything to the letter of the law.
Interesting post Joe--I was just thinking about that over the past hour concerning another company.
Long term, if they don't get their act together, I am considering buying 51% and was wondering how to stay anonymous. Guess that's not possible is the answer unless there are many buyers in one group.
Don't want to do it as a raid, only to have some say and get their product on the market. The CEO is a great marketing/publisist, but stinks at production matters on small/medium scale to get production going. Been there done that many times and can do it again. Fill--Label--Pack--Ship Love to get back doing that!
Great info. Is there a link that I could do some follow up on your posted info? Sure would appreciate it. TIA
Great post BTW.
The only assets you will see right now is that they covered the par value of $800,000. I know that has been there for a while, but that must still be on deposit as cash somewhere. Nevada? That's my guess.
Anything else, I think will be seen once the 10K is filed.
Outstanding how the price held today. I think enough strong hands have enough stock to get the message across that we will not sell. Cover shorty when Wessal starts their buy, which I don't think is that far off. Friday's PR was proof enough that Wessal is now ready to be pro-active in this whole plan. Just when is the question. This week, next week? Before or after the Fins are filed? Clear message to shorts to get covered quick and buy while you can.
BTW--not a pump either--just the way I see it. All IMHO.
Tell you what gang, the SLJB board is not a place to be with the nonsense there.
Brent--liked your reference to Proverbs though. Heard a lot about the 30 versus and tonight I read 25-----totally amazing.
I am going to sign off for the evening--everybody have a good night and I will catch you over the weekend. If you are going on the last vacation of the summer--be safe--be happy.
Digi
Think again--High end also means higher wholesale cost. If Sulja in the US can maintain a 25% profit margin--and that's a lot--it's good. Now eliminating the middle man as Sulja wants to do in many cases is the best option because then they pay production cost only.
Guess the next aquisition will be a granite quarry. That stuff is expensive even at the wholesale level.
After that they will have to buy up the kitchen appliance industry, then the plumbing industry, then------
Not bashing, just being realistic. Buying wholesale and selling retail does not allow for a large profit margin at least in the US. But, going from the production level to retail is a huge boost in percentage profit.
I have owned businesses and if I could maintain a 20% margin after taxes and everything that a company is charged after everyone puts their hand in the money pocket, it was a good year.
I applaud Steve Sulja for the volume of material that he wants to move. Heck of a deal.
CorvetteMark---I don't have PM. Look at my profile. It's there, I forgot about that before.
Hey Stock--there is another board for SLJB, but I won't post the link without Brent's permission and out of respect for I-hub. Just a few of us there right now--it's relatively new also but slowly growing. I put the site up because of the reasons you state. Great bunch of people there to.
Maybe Brent will put it up later.
It's amazing how much bickering goes on over nothing really. I was perplexed by the fax thing to at first, but then considered the reason and probable source so no biggie. Next issue?:)
Like this thing that Brent setup--like whew--glad I am out of the regular big board mess.
One week closer to being listed on the OTCBB then Nasdaq. Ran some basic numbers today and looked over the requirements that brentjanice was so kind to provide me and if their price was up 3 months at the required level, they could be there now. Here's the link:
http://www.nasdaq.com/about/nasdaq_listing_req_fees.pdf
Look at page 4 of 27 of the PDF above
If you read through it, lots of amazing info to relate back to SLJB--just amazing.
Brent--Got the stocks setup that you requested. If you want to be mod of the boards, I can set that up then you can do the profiles as you like--don't have a problem with that. If there is anything else that I can do for the boards, let me know.
I know you are out doing the lawn thing and making sure that the yellow corvette doesn't get any more of you lemonade:) :) Me, I'm still partial to the iced tea though. Maybe that's why my lawn is brown:)
What a close! I think today's PR was a direct message that Wessal is now stepping into the picture big time. Allinone you said that you thought Wessal started their buying today and I was reluctant to believe that statement till the close.
Chad related to someone that talked with him that,"When Wessal starts to buy you will know". The sudden spike in the ask in the last couple minutes I think was the confirmation. That really hasn't happened lately--not like that. Two minutes and there is about a 7% jump in the ask.
When Wessal starts to buy, They want to buy and the price will not matter to them I am sure this has been discussed between Wessal and Sulja that Wessal should expect a price increase and they will not be able to buy at current levels. I can almost here Ahmed Khalil Al-Muslmani saying in a quiet voice, "That's acceptable"
I knoww there are those that will say I am nuts but that's okay. Next week will either confirm positively or not where Wessal stands right now. All IMO
I thought so too the way the regs read, but I have seen some strange things with SLJB. I think when everything shakes out we will know the whole story. I think that Steve Sulja has a little cleanup to do before they can move forward the way they would like with the stock.
monkeyfrog--Just caught your reply
I am aware of the regs. I went through all of them with NDOL. IMO, and 8K should have been filed already with a minimum of the terms of the RM. That is required--agreed. The fins can, but do not have to be included with the 8K.
Since there was not an 8k filed, I am thinking that they may have gotten SEC permission to secure auditing firms before any filings were released. That's just my opinion though.
Another thought is the share issues and alledged negative float for delayed filings, but that's just a guess.
Actually nothing at this point I don't think because they are not yet a fully reporting company. Usually on an RM, an 8k is filed within 30 days and that wasn't done either.
I think with KPGM and Price they are setting up to go straight to OTCBB status, at least that is what the PRs indicate. Once that is done, everything will be done exactly right to prepare for the move to NASDAQ.
Getting those boards up. Will take a little while but they will be there by the morning. Did you checkout the RegSho Short Average list? Works pretty slick for finding an entry point for the stocks that are on the RegSho Pilot List. We are still looking at what other info it reveals about price movement.
I want to get our programmer to re-write the script to be able to do it for the PK and OB stocks that are published every month now. The data comes out in a slightly different format so the script needs adjusting.
brentjanice--Just got you message. I only have a few posts left for today but thanks for the invite. Got the wrong board at first,oops.
I keep quiet during the day and do a lot of reading and following leads for DD. It takes a while in the evening to get unwound and post a bit.
Thanks
brentjanice--Just got you message. I only have a few posts left for today but thanks for the invite.
I keep quiet during the day and do a lot of reading and following leads for DD. It takes a while in the evening to get unwound and post a bit.
Thanks
Jim--I never said that they were on the threshold list. All I said is that the lists are 1 month behind. The list we use is the Pilot list--different animal, but the data is always a month behind. Settlement date is around the 15th of the month for the previous months data and then it takes them till the end of the month to publish.
You are right that it is disseminated today.
Here is the same info and NASDAQ is going to be combining all the exchanges into one list eventually.
http://www.otcbb.com/help/CMS_Includes/OTCE_Short_Interest.stm
The bad thing is that different lists have different criteria. Just another blackhole in the short sale dilemma. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Not sure about the Chicago thing. What he does is not actually short. It's called wholesaling I think or something like that. He gets a list of qualified buyers and houses that are repoed but not yet on the market. He sets it up for when the house comes to market and closes with the buyer and then takes the funds and closes on the house he "bought". Both transactions have to take place the same day or the wholesaler get's scrwd.
It's one of the gray areas when it comes to the closing statements required by most lenders, but since he is now a lender, he can get around it. One day the loophole will be closed.
His "bank" is "financing" a project in Mississippi near the TN/MS line. Bad news all around. The way he explained that--I thought he was going to try and sell me a couple bridges in NY:) Get the drift now?
Jim that actually is July Sho list. They are always 1 month behind. We do an analysis on short buy price and it's a pain waiting till the list of NASDAQ stocks is published. That comes out around the 14th of the month and shows the previous month.
Dancer--I know what you mean
My brother has just started some kind of Real estate bank in FL and was boasting how he just hired a hedge fund manager. He "shorts" real estate and thinks he will get away with it in the market also. Funny thing is that he does not understand how the market really works. Guess one day he will get bit and learn his lesson.
I would rather trade stocks with long positions than try to short some unknowing retail investor. Told a friend one time, Rather be broke and honest than rich and---well you get my drift.
gwikley --Your Welcome
Can't PM--I have allstocks bookmarked. They have a lot of good reference material there.
Here is a list of all the MMs A-Z that's at allstocks.com. When a new one comes on board, then you can just look them up. Includes phone numbers too in case you want to call and see if they are the ones with the 125MM buy order:)
Warren Buffet also said "Risk comes from not knowing what you're
doing."
Call Wessal direct
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060809/0152436.html
WINDSOR, ON--(MARKET WIRE)--Aug 9, 2006 -- In the news release, "Sulja Bros. Building Supplies, Ltd. (SLJB.PK) Announces Additional Investor Relations Office," issued earlier today by Sulja Bros. Building Supplies Ltd. (Other OTC:SLJB.PK - News), we are advised by the company that the second sentence of the first paragraph should read "Sulja Bros. investor relations, through Wessal International, can still be reached at (44) 203 002 3884" rather than "Sulja Bros. investor relations, through Wessal International, can still be reached at 42.203.002.3884" as originally issued. Complete corrected text follows.
VFIN--------------
VFIN ,M ,FIRST COLONIAL SECURITIES ,NASDAQ TRADING ,800-792-1142
VFIN ,M ,FIRST COLONIAL SECURITIES ,OTCBB/PINK SHEETS ,800-487-0577
VFIN ,M ,FIRST COLONIAL SECURITIES ,OTCBB/PINK SHEETS ,561-981-1314
From allstocks.com
http://www.allstocks.com/markets/SI/MM_A_s/MM_K_s/MM_V_s/mm_v_s.html
I haven't been around the market that long, but after some of my disasters, it is an outstanding education to be a shareholder with SLJB.
The communication channels that they are providing via PRs and IR firms is unbelievable. Steve Sulja IMO is a person of vision and after 25 years in the business knows how important it is to Place the customer first above all else and we as shareholders are customers of SLJB shares. That's why he has taken Sulja to the place it is now.
I also think that in his business dealings with all the different companies and people he must interact with that he is the same way, basically placing others first while still focused on his goal and looking at how he can make a win-win-win situation out of anything. Everyone comes out pleased.
The education--Well there are stocks to flip, take the buck and move on. Then there are stocks/companies that are for holding/trading(c'mon got to have a little profit)/investing. SLJB is that. It is the first stock that I will hold an investment long term--hate that word investment, reminds me of mutual thieves--oops mean funds.
Over the next 21 trading days, SLJB will change many lives and make some here multi-millionaires. I also expect to see SLJB eventually be included in the Nasdaq Index if that is where they choose to stay--not at all unlikely in the coming years.
I don't pump stocks because I don't believe in pumping or bashing. Everyone must trade/invest to suit themselves, but if you are on the fence, get 5000 shares--that's less than $500. That 5000 shares can turn into $5000 in a short amount of time.
Good luck to all--Just my 2 shares worth:)
I have a site also and if people here think that the UAE is not around, think again. They are here viewing this board and stopped by mine as well. It's impressive, but I bet they got a good laugh reading some of the posts. I can track IPs and that's how I found out.
Not true--Wessal can start buying anytime they want to.
this press release is the disclosure of Wessal International's offer and buying can commence in the open market immediately.
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060808/0151824.html
I think SLJB must have a minimum of the par share value in cash. Here is the link for Nevada https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=3jTAXTqYdC80kvn1T3%252fB8Q%253d%253d
$800,000 deposited to cover par value.
Depending on what SEC rules are governing the RM, SLJB has up to 90 days to file the financials. And this is only a thumbnail of the quagmire that companies have to wade through. Different requirements for different types of RMs and final structure.
I have posted this several times but here is the entire text:
http://www.edgar-filing.com/reverse.htm
Corporate Shells and Reverse Mergers
Basically two different types of Public shell companies used to do reverse mergers. "Trading" and Reporting and virgin corporations.
Perception that these shells can be used to circumvent SEC reporting requirements and enable the new owners to immediately begin offering and trading their stock on the open market. Unless the shell is bought in bankruptcy, all issued shares acquired through a merger are restricted under Rule 144. To initiate a registered secondary offering the company is required to submit a complete Form S-4 disclosure of all business activities to bring the SEC information up to date, regardless of the implied trading status of the shell’s stock.
Examine closely the actual condition of the corporation.
"Virgin" shell corporations are created through standard reorganization process. They are not "spin-off" corporations. When acquired they have no assets and no liabilities. Virgin corporations are inactive and non-reporting. They qualify as widely held public corporations because they have a bona fide shareholder pool of over 300 individuals and a public float of over 500,000 shares. A properly created virgin shell provides a wide variety of options that the trading and reporting shells can’t. Only non-reporting corporations can raise capital under any of the SEC Regulation D offerings. They can also be used by foreign companies to raise capital offshore under the Regulation S offering. They can be listed on the National Quotation Bureau - Pink Sheets without becoming a reporting company. This requires the services of a market maker who will file a Form 211 with the NASD OTC Compliance Unit. See www.pinksheets.com.
A fully registered secondary offering can also be done using a Virgin shell by filing a Form 10SB with the SEC and creating a Stock Offering Memorandum. The virgin shell is more flexible, often cleaner and definately a less expensive way to take your company public.
REVERSE TRIANGULAR MERGER
When the subsidiary of the acquiring corporation merges with the target firm. IN this case, the subsidiary’s equity merges with the target firm’s stock. As a result of the merger, the target would become a wholly-owned subsidiary of the acquirer and shareholders of the target would get shares of the acquirer.
WHY USE A REVERSE MERGER FOR RAISING CAPITAL INSTEAD OF AN IPO?
Things to consider merger vs. IPO:
Non-reporting public corporations with less than $25M in revenues, can raise up to $1,000,000 in "seed money" annually - without exemption. Or they can raise up to 5M using a 505 offering.
A public corporation can undertake a fully registered "follow-on" or "secondary" offering of any size, at any time, by filing the appropriate documents with the SEC and securing the services of a couple of market makers/brokers. Once a market value is established for your stock you can use these securities to capitalize other acquisitions or as collateral on loans or lines of credit.
[Venture capital groups who underwrite offering have two exit strategies - drive the business into an IPO or sell it off to a larger corporation, Either one will generate maximum ROI and that’s what they are in it for.
CONTROL:
Using a shell corporation and a reverse verger strategy puts the control of the entire process into your hands. You decide where, when and how things will be done. [Few owners consider the effect that the loss of primary equity and decision-making control will have on their business when they work with an underwriter to do an IPO. The first job of a underwriting company is to protect their profits and their institutional client’s investments.
COSTS:
Acquiring a shall corporation, completing the merger and 504 or 505 offering documents can be done for less than $60k. Based on a below average IPO of $15M the costs to implement will be about $1.5M or 10% of the offering. About 50% of this out-of-pocket. The current average IPO offering is about $150M.
REVERSE TAKEOVER UTILIZING A SHELL
A shell has marketable and tradable shares of stock that have been registered.
ADVANTAGES
- less expensive than an IPO
- can usually be completed in four to eight weeks
- a trading shell can save time, effort and money to get the stock trading
C Increased Valuator: Typically publically traded companies enjoy substantially higher valuations than private companies.
C Capital Formation: Raising capital is usually easier because of the added liquidity for the investors, and it often takes less thme and expense to complete an offering.
C Acquisitions: Making acquisitions with public stock is often easier and less expensive.
C Incentives: Stock options or stock incentives can be useful in attracting management and retaining valuable employees.
C Financial Planning: Public company stock is often easier to use in estate planning for the principals. Public stock can provide a long term exit strategy for the founders.
C Reduced Costs: The costs are significantly less than the costs required for an initial public offering.
C Reduced Time: The time frame requisite to securing public listing is considerably less than that for an IPO.
C Reduced Risk: Additional risk is involved in an IPO in that the IPO may be withdrawn due to an unstable market condition even after most of the up front costs have been expended.
C Reduced Management Time: Traditional IPOs generally require greater attention from senior management.
C Reduced Business Requirements: While an IPO requires a relatively long and stable earnings history, the lack of an earnings history does not normally keep privately held company from completing a reverse merger.
C Reduced Dilution: There is less dilution of ownership control, compared to a traditional IPO.
C Reduced Underwriter Requirements: No underwriter is needed (a significant factor to consider given the difficulty companies face in attracting an investment banking firm to commit to an offering.)
DISADVANTAGES OF BEING PUBLIC EITHER VIA A REVERSE MERGER OR IPO
- may not be current in filings and will need to be brought current
- past operations may have created potential liabilities that can come back to haunt the post merged entity
C Less Confidentiality - complete financial disclosure is required to become publically held.
C More Public Reporting - Reporting expense is greater because of the need for full disclosure.
C Ownership Dilution - Owners give up some equity percent.
C Greater Time Involvement - Management must devote additional time to public company operations.
C Greater Liability - More company visibility brings a higher level of liability exposure.
C Increased Expense - Higher costs of regulatory compliance for audit, legal and investor relations.
PREPARATION FOR A REVERSE MERGER OR PUBLIC SHELL MERGER
C Locate a suitable public shell - Public shells can often be found by consulting with securities law firms or CPA - Audit firms that deal with public companies.
C Important to start with a clean shell - Due diligence on the public shell cannot be over emphasized, advice from your securities counsel, auditors, and a financial consultant should be utilized. Shells have no predecessor entities and little baggage in the way of business failure or other skeletons in the closets.
C Comprehensive Business Plan - Potential investors, public shareholders, auditors, securities counsel, brokers and market makers will want to see a well documented business plan.
C Strong Management Team - Public investors demand a strong management team.
C Convincing Marketing Plan - Public companies need the ability to show good sales and earning growth.
C Produce or Service - Public companies should be able to develop strong or dominant position in their business segment.
C Financial Audits - SEC qualified audited financial statements for your last two fiscal years.
C Experienced Securities Counsel - Your attorney must be qualified to deal with regulatory compliance, and the ongoing reporting requirements of all public companies.
C Have Public Company Experience - Should have at least one person in senior management that has significant public company experience. You will most likely end up with financing consultants as minority shareholders in the new company holding between 2-5%. However, in almost any reverse merger transaction, the principals of the shell company keep a small equity position in the company going forward. Therefore, this surrender of equity is simply a cost of doing business.
C Devise your financing strategy - A reverse merger is an indirect route to raising capital. Entrepreneurs must firs consider how additional capital will be raised after the deal is done.
REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY TO CLOSE A REVERSE MERGER OR PUBLIC SHELL MERGER.
- Business plan of merger partner. Sufficient information to complete and file the required 8K.
- Management information including completion of the "Officer and Director Questionnaire," for all officers and Directors designated by the private company merger partner.
- Agreement on structure and terms of merger.
- Letter of intent with escrow payment made to public company or its principal shareholders. (This must happen for the public company to cease negotiations with other merger prospects.)
- Audited Financial Statement conformed to US, GAAP for the private merger partner. The audit statements of the private company have to be consolidated with the public company’s financial statements.
- Agreed merger fee in escrow with the securities attorney representing the merger partner.
- Consent from the majority, preferably %100, of existing shareholders of the private company to merge or exchange their shares for shares of the public company.
- Agreement for the Officers and Directors of the public shell to be replaced with the officers and directors designated by the private company merger partner.
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REVERSE MERGER
Reverse merger is a transaction where the private company shareholders may gain control of a public company by merging into it. The private company shareholders receive a substantial majority of the shares of the public company (normally 85%-90%) and the control of the board of directors. It can be accomplished in as little as two weeks resulting in the private company becoming public.
The transactions involves the private and shell company exchanging information on each other, negotiating the merger terms and signing a share exchange agreement. At closing the public shell company issues a substantial majority of its shares and the board control to the shareholders of the private company. The private company shareholders pay for the shell and contribute their private company shares to the shell company and the private company is now public.
Upon completion of the reverse merger, the name of the shell company is usually changed to the name of the private company. It gets a new trading symbol to reflect its name. An information statement (8K) must be filed within 15 days after closing. The 8K describes the newly combined company, stock issued, information of new officers and directors, and financial information. The financial statements must be audited to US GAAP standards and the SEC allows a maximum of 75 days to amend the 8-K with audited financials if necessary.
If the shell company is listed on the Bulletin board, the registered or "free trading" shares can continue to trade. The company can do a private placement immediately. The trade new shares offered by the public the newly combined public company must first register the shares with the SEC. This takes three to four months and normally requires filing a Registration statement with the SEC under Reb. SB-2 or SB-1.
If the shell company does not have a symbol an application for a symbol is usually made to the NASDAQ Bulletin Board. The application for a symbol requires filing a Form 15c211 by a market maker that is a member of the NASD. The Bulletin Board has no financial requirements. A listing will be granted if the affairs of the company are in order and the company answers the questions posed by NASDAQ.
berrybck--I know, I used to have the same kind of license in KS when I lived there. I think the big boys have to have a note signed from Larry the Cable Guy though :) You know they have to keep it erfishil. You didn't bring one of them there notes from Larry wigyadigya. Aorta work just about anywhere. Yemasee if I gotst one here:):):):)
They probably have block licenses which are good for anywhere in the country and do not have to be registered in the state, only the locale and that is only when they are doing work there. Only thing that is required is that depending on the local, they may have to hire a local contractor to guide them in specific code for that local. For example, buried pipe may have different backfill than is stated in the code book MS uses. I think there are 5 building code books in use in the US-maybe it is only 4.
Another 1,000,000 @ 12:53:57
OT: magicdog--Don't have PM
Yes I still have the site up and running. Slowly expanding to.