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Ok bye bye "parting is such Sweet sorrow"
I like you and trust you. I have a hell of a time trusting certain individuals but I see that you deal in REALITY.
But indulge me on a supposition please. Aren't we dealing with a stock now that has no hype anymore and is therefor also dealing in REALITY? Meaning from an investors perspective?
Nope;) But I'm really hoping he'll show up. I just don't know if MCLN is going to make without his industry knowledge. I'm worried.
Ttxx, I'm surprised at you. You know they'll be taken care of kind sir.
That's right I'm checking in
But don't u think q1 will be flat. I do. And I don't care. Isn't that being long and strong? Honestly, I mean this is a long term investment. Are you putting it all on q1 or what?
Have a good day everybody. I'm out.
Hey guys Im on an iPad now. I love it. Ttxx. You and my father are twins I swear. I hope to meet you and have a drink. Out of all posters here, your the one I would have a drink with. That's a great quote and great movie. Now I just want this thing to perform so I can meet you some day.
Go to this link and look at all the developments that will bear fruit but need time to grow.
Then look at Due Diligence Dannols consistent thorough analysis as well as others and ask your self "have these individuals just been wasting their time???
http://www.dailyfinance.com/headlines/medclean-technologies-inc/mcln/nab
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I love you ttxx, i really do.
You da man JRG. Lately, this board has been very lucky to have your reminders of the long term prospects of MCLN. Thank you very much. My understanding of things has been greatly enhanced by your consistent input.
Agreed. No one has been able to answer that yet. May 6th is on my calender. Take a look at JRG post that provided a link to a finance site where you can have all MCLN info right there in front of you with out skipping about too much.
Here it is:)
http://www.dailyfinance.com/headlines/medclean-technologies-inc/mcln/nab
Thank you for your support.
Agreed. No one has been able to answer that yet. May 6th is on my calender. Take a look at JRG post that provided a link to a finance site where you can have all MCLN info right there in front of you with out skipping about to you.
Thank you for your support.
This conflict has nothing to do with MCLN at this point. Until Amdek can explain to us more of his industry knowledge and not just give us the obvious, I remain purely positive on Medcleantechnologies in the long haul
Sheff responded to question but said nothing about his personal sentiments on MCLN. He simply stated that he has moved along and is no longer trading subpennies. That's all. Until I hear from anyone that his decision was a loose of confidence in the company I will presume it wasn't.
I simply want to know more of your industry knowledge.
I apologize for getting personal with you, I'm simply here to learn. If you can contribute by gracing us with your industry knowledge that would be good. Until then I will continue to review your posts in order to learn about you industry knowledge.
There are different kinds of silences and different kinds of assumption that can ensue from them. Therefor so long as you remain silent assumptions can take place. If you start to give us your input then you'll prevent this.
And I am a fool, but a wise-fool.
I realize you have a life and I beg forgiveness. Please condescend to answer me ole wise one.
You tell me to refrain from personal attacks why personally attacking me.
That's called a contradiction. Who is the fool?
If it was between only you and pack10 I suggest you get a subscription so that you can do private messaging. Make sense?
My problem with your posting is very simple to understand. You post only negatives and do not contribute. It's that simple to me and until you actually help some of us here instead of passive observation and fly by criticisms, I will not.
You list competitors, but nothing else. This is not hard to understand. Most people who have been at this already know of these companies. You claim an understanding of industry knowledge while not providing us with your input. What benefit are we to derive from your criticisms. If you don't like this stock than why are you even here, because as far as I can understand, you merely criticize.
If you payed attention to my last statement you would understand that I am welcoming your input. So long as it's input that is set forth in a thorough and descriptive manner. I don't want to fight with you, but to learn from you. You have not been here in a while and so I'm confused as to why your here suddenly.
Ps You still haven't answered Pack10s question. Your clearly not here to contribute.
When convenient, can you please opine on MCLN for us? Piano Benchpress has told us you removed it from your "picks", but since I can't find these pick's of yours yet I'd appreciate an update if you'd be so kind. Given my lack of knowledge I'm an investor on MCLN. I have no problem with parking my money and being satisfied with slow and steady incremental gains because of the obvious confidence most share in management.
Thank you.
yes thank you. Sheff's knowledge is very humbling and most important he doesn't have an agenda. I was looking at his site this morning and just amazed at all the info put forth. It will be very good for me to be able to devote more time to finance. I do this so I can just study Shakespeare all the time. It's funny, I was reading someone's investment philosophy (can't remember their name) that resonated with me, and it read "I hate stocks", and I just laughed cuz I knew right away what the person was getting at. Again, you didn't have to take that time help me out like that. It won't be forgotten:)
Thank you. Nice... Go MCLN!!!
I have a lot to learn. If my investments work out for me and I can afford to do only this stuff I'll be back with DD capabilities finally and won't have to waste your time on such no brainers. I really appreciate you taking the time answer that for me. gl2u2
It's time for me buckle down and learn how to read financial reports finally. I've been procrastinating cuz I just dread it really. I was the last kid in school to learn how to add and the first to read well. The giveth and the taketh.
It's time for me to listen more than I talk now. And finally get it done. Although if people bash the stock I'll have to respond.
Can someone please explain to me why one of the stocks I have that has gone down registers as going up on my online brokerage account after hours. Is this simply after hours trading or what?
It's an OTC stock. In fact when I look at how much it's gone down as presented if I was to simply get a quote and compare it with how much it's gone up (after hours) as shown in my account, it actually exceeds the loose seen on the actual stock quote.
I understand that after hours trading occurs, but with OTC I don't see this designation shown on any of them thus far. Can someone please help me to understand this or at least provide the relevant link where such info may be obtained directly. Thank you.
Agreed. It's testing the patience of all longs of the group presumably. I'm glad WASTE EXPO is occurring soon.
Thank you for your reply and good luck to you as well.
Is mcln still one of your faves?
As you continue to remain silent is becomes increasingly apparent that it's more important to you, you feel special and right than actually that you contribute to the group.
You tell others that they should do their own DD, but alas!; why were here is to learn from each other and help each other. The obvious sparseness of your contributions to the group is a clear indicator that you contradict this virtue with your selfishness. Your good very yes... but at nothing.
And now I'm of topic because puzzled at what value we're all to derive from you.
Fact:3 You don't contribute.
I would welcome your input but again it looks like it's more important that you feel special than contribute.
Please contradict me please by helping us, instead of what ever you think your doing now. I don't know what that would be??? If you have the ability to do this, I would very quickly let bygones be bygones and submit to your contributions.
Well said, thank you kind sir. It's very important to realize that the company is just getting this party started if a long term view is to be assumed . To bail on them now would only hurt all of us. If your a day trader looking for quick profits it may be time to leave. At least that way longs know where they stand better. Like earlier, "good things take time". Do we really think mgt is snoring on the job. These are old timers looking to retire I would presume. They're people with families and mouths to feed just like us. Come on now?
Some remain silent now waiting and looking for revenge and assuagement of hurt feelings. That they get this is apparently more important than helping us. Folded arms and hurt feelings won't get us anywhere. Mark how they don't contribute, as if; "we would be so lucky if they'd grace us with their knowledge of the industry."
Anybody who actually cares about this stock and the other investors here would do well imo to study the MM breakdown provided originally by Omanfan and recopied by me. Let's all assume Q1 is flat. Why? You have to spend money to make money. JMHO. Thoughts/Opinions are always appreciated.
And by this welcoming of feedback, you all know I'm not drinking cool aid but REALITY.
All fortune tellers of Medcleantechnologies. Please tell me what will happen in Q2,3 and 4 please. If your really good, let's go to 2011 as well.
luv n social should be ashamed of himself. He rolls with the big dogs over at POZN and comes in here picking on us little guys just trying to clean up the crumbs that drop from his mouth.
It's sickening to me, seriously. I don't turn this personal, he did; when he rolled in like a belligerent fat cat on saturday morning drunk on his pride of success. But!! "tis a common truth that lowliness is young ambitions ladder". If he lost cuz he didn't average down, or sell off, then it's the stocks problem of course. He's apparently a day trader who was looking to flip this and it just didn't move like he wanted it to. Violins are playing in the background now. My tears flow for him.
Let's be clear. Bashing is when you say something negative, with no factual info backing it. They just cavalierly stroll through here, take a dump, and leave. Kinda like my neighbors dog that they can't police properly. So we got a fence to solve that problem. But others aren't so nice, I'm not messing around here. People's lively-hood is at stake. So when they wish us well as they almost always predictable and glibly do, you know it BS.
What happens when we become successful? Do we go over to others boards and do the same?? I sincerely hope not. Good day and good nite. I took a power nap, it's time to take another one. Peace out.
If a nano cap stock ends down for the day, why does it show up as gaining in my brokerage account? Anyone know how to answer this? Is this simply after hours trading. If so, why do I not have access to such info as with other stocks that may, albeit; be of a much larger mark cap??
I won't be around tom. morning to defend this board from invaders, but I want everyone to know that I'm a newbie and I know next to nothing about numbers. Luckily nano cap stocks from what I understand are more reliant on Biz Model and as Due Diligence Dannol has so often eloquently pointed out, Medcleantechnologies may very well be on the right track. Have a good weekend see ya on Monday
Oh yeah and if you take a look at Dannols post you'll see there is no or very very little suggestion to buy or sell. (As I haven't the time to study everybody in every detail.) No agenda there.
HAHA. POZN is 10.85 pps. Very bad example. Who here can buy a million shares of POZN. Please give me your name and number. I am faithfuly yours and will gladly follow you. But not this guy.
Take a look at JRG posts. It's called the history of MCLN. Good MGT. Previous successes. Very cheap stock with plenty of room to grow. The negatives of this group are acting as if this is some stock were paying a ridiculous amount for. Come on now, give me a break. If you need attention seek professional help or get a dog or something. But please stop telling me, "the end is near", or I bought a stock that at least 600X greater in value than this one and then expect me or others for that matter to take you seriously.
Atleast ttxx is smart about it. I can actually respect his posts. Some of what he says is true sometimes, and thought provoking. And he's funny some times. Some probably don't want me to encourage his behavior but thats what makes this a good place most of the time. Most here are pretty nice to each other.
Everyday that we get closer to earning, I see more and more people showing up who haven't been here in a while. Now they show up, and it's all negative. WTF. Sheesh!
See everyone how quickly he contradicted himself, "just seems UNWISE not to buy at this point". So his professional analysis is on the 28th is that it "seems unwise not to buy at this point", and now it's a lousy stock. Wowy zowy. Ok then???
What's unwise is the obviousness of his contradiction. Why all the attention before earnings? Anyone wonder why people can't help but do this stuff before earnings. If their right history will show. There's no need for this. Is there?
I guess he cares for us. And I feel his love, let me tell ya...
Posted by: luvn socal Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:46:16 PM
In reply to: Slyder75 who wrote msg# 17636 Post # of 17803
I understand that, but if one thinks that there is going to be a run within the next few, depending on the strength of that feeling, it would make good sense to buy a chunk at a bargain...possibly leverage down for those who got in high, fortunately not my case, or take a strong position. Just seems unwise not to buy at this point. JMO...thank you for the reply Slyder...I greatly appreciate your posts
This wasn't that long ago. Why so glum suddenly. Do you want others to sell so you can get your wish of buying at cheaper levels?
Nobody follows me here, don't try that. And don't cry to Pack10. I have no beef with him.
A review of your posts reveals that you post ONLY on MCLN and ONLY negatives. Atleast Ttxx mixes it up. Although I suffer from a sorta cognitive dissonance from him at times. But with you
I've never claimed to be an authority on finance. So quit trying to sow the seeds of doubt in others. Others can look at my posts and see that I'm a self-proclaimed newbie. Nothing new there.
If "brevity is the soul of wit", well then...But I'm going 2 stop here for fear I would be detrimental to the group. U won't hear from me for a while. Have a good weakend
When is the end? Your refering to Q1?
I'm here to help Amdek. In order be an effective basher you have 2 1st conceal yourself by going 2 other boards as well. This will allow you 2 seem less obvious. 2nd, you have 2 also appear fair&balanced. This is crucial and if ignored makes you look like u have an agenda if ignored. 3rd, u must become more consistent. U blow ur cover when u show up right b4 earnings. Very bad bashing skills there. If u can do these things 2gether, it'll have a synergistic effect and will work wonderdully 4u. But B4 u do any of this it might be prudent 2 get a different alias so u can start over. Then implement the aforementioned skill set I've mentioned. I care about u and want to see you succeed. Your clearly intelligent. So I think you'll be back with a refined skill set 4 us 2 study and learn from. Your truly. Mercurial MIke
Ps Just joking of course. I know ur PERFECTLY balanced and always right I'm sorry for defying you;)
MCLN's going to make it regardless of fly by investors, pumpers and dumpers, bashers and flipper skippers. Not to mention the fact that it's supported by the BIG DOGS RUFF RUFF!!! Haha
Ahh...yes... My memory is improving now. Thanks a lot JRG, while many are out having fun (as they should be on this weekend) your here reminding us why we need to stay positive and UNIFIED. Now I know you really care about keeping MCLN going. Thanks again
Thank You, I was beginning to forget why I was here HONESTLY. It's funny how amdek does it. If he/she ain't a basher I don't know what one is. Smart person of course though.
Fact 1: You only post on MCLN
Fact 2: You only post negatives.
Credit given to Omanfan for finding this.
Newbie's to this board. STUDY and we'll all be ok here
This is a post from another board
(UPDATED) Penny Stock Market Makers Who Are the Players in this Game
By Bill Panetta
Let Me Start off by saying this: Level 2 Does not have the same effect like it did 5 years ago except for OTCBB Stocks & Pink Sheet Stocks. What Do I mean By This? NASDAQ is all chart plays, level 2 has no meaning as it once did for NASDAQ Stocks, and too many games can be played now on level 2. Simply put if you don't know how to read the charts you will get killed on NASDAQ Stocks.
With all the changes on Level 2 Traders have been forced to learn TA, You could had a made a killing with level 2 before 2001 with out TA; I have witnesses that have proven this.
And when I make this comment I am talking about regular trading hours, after hour's different story. Bottom Line Level 2 does not have the same effect on NASDAQ Stocks that it did 5 years ago because of the New Super Soes Trading System being implemented in 2001 and along with 1 cent spreads, it was the worst thing NASDAQ ever did for traders IMO. The Traders from 5 yrs ago know what I am talking about.
Let's talk about the 2 exchanges where Level 2 has not changed and having level 2 is really important to your trading. I am talking about The OTCBB & PINKSHEET Markets.
If you learn how to read into Level 2 on the OTCBB & PINK SHEETS it will really enhance your trading. Let's break down the Market Markets.
There are 4 categories of Market Makers let's start by talking about the first one.
Retail Market Makers:
These are the market makers from very popular brokerage firms. They handle a lot of the order flow for small retail investors.
NITE: NITE
UBSS: Schwab (Not known as one of the good guys)
AUTO is being used by Ameritrade and Penson Brokers as an alternative to SBSH. if SBSH does not want the order flow he sends it to AUTO.
SBSH: Citibank
ETRD: ETRADE
BOFA: Bank of the American
Second Category: This is the list that you really have to master because these are the MARKET MAKERS that can kill a stock in a hurry when there are the sitting on right side of the box on Level 2.
HDSN: killed CKYS single-handedly
VFIN:
CGFL: new kid on the block for sub dilution
RBCM: Old CLYP. Has killed many sub penny stocks in the past to no-bid.
FANC: used to be a heavy S-8 seller. May show up once in a great while.
SSGI: aggressive on sub penny stocks
Third category: There are lot market makers in this category so I will break it down to who are the most important: These are some of the more friendlier market makers on the street.
DOMS: one of my favorites
MAXM:
VERT:
HILL:
SALI: can be a seller at times
JEFF:
FRAN: very friendly
ABLE:
QUIN: haven't seen him around much lately
VNDM:
SEAB:
MURF: getting active lately
STGI: getting active lately
VERT:
WDCO: can be a seller at times
PERT:
NIII:
BEST:
GNLN: nice to see him back again
EFGI: can be a seller at times
LAMP: LAMP the most dilutive POS ever (From 1geb)
Category 4: ECN MARKET MAKERS: Electronic Routes
these market makers are only used on OTC BB stocks. They do not work for pink sheet market.
ARCA: used a lot by promoters to sell stock
TRAC: rarely used any more taken over by EDGX
EDGX: new kid on the block
There are probably a few market makers that I left out or there will a few new market makers that show but for the most part these are the major players. Good luck hopes this helps.
Market Maker Speaks Out: Ways of a Market Maker
I was an OTC MM for about 10 years ending in the late 80's. Since then I have been strictly an investor. Since I have not been that up to date in MM rules I will only make statements that I feel fairly confident are still accurate regarding these activities. By and large most MM don't have a clue nor do they care to learn, about the fundamentals of the stocks they trade.
They just try to make orderly markets. When dealing with BB stocks it is very easy for a MM to get trapped into being short in dealing in a fast moving market. Reason being; most of the MM's in this stock are what are called "wholesalers" this means they don't have retail brokers "working" the stocks.
So they have to rely on what's known as the "call" from larger retail houses. If a "Big" retail firm like an E-trade calls up a market maker to purchase say 5,000 shares of a stock, they expect to get an "execution" from that market maker. If he turns them down, or only gives a partial then the "Big" firm will go to another MM.
If this second MM "fills the order" then that "Big" firm has a moral obligation to continue to give future "business" in that stock to that MM who performed (his life blood). This will go on until he "fails" to perform and so on.
Contrary to popular opinion the "Big" firms Do NOT neccessarily go to the "Low Offer" to fill a buy order (Or high bid for a sell). They "Go" to who they think will perform to fill the order and expect that MM to "match" the "low offer" in the case of a buy (bid in the case of a sell). Even though this MM might in fact be the "high bid" and not really want to sell any more.
As a wholesaler he must perform or he will get a reputation as a "non-performer" with the "Big" houses and will cease getting "calls" which means he will soon go out of business. I mentioned above that this activity is very significant to BB stocks. I say this because most of the trades in these BB stocks are "unsolicited" and are done through discount houses.
With the above groundwork laid, let me try to explain how market makers get short even if they like the Company; Lets say that a stock (shell) has been lying quietly at $.25 bid $.50 offered. A limit order comes into one of the MM's to Buy at $.50 for a thousand shares. Prior to this trade that MM may be "flat" (neither long or short any shares). He fills the order and is now short 1,000 shares. He may raise his bid hoping to find a seller to "flatten" out his position. But before he realizes it a wave of buyers have come in and cleared out all the $.50 offers. Now the stock is $.50 bid .75 offered. Here comes that "Big" firm he just sold the 1,000 shares to at .50 with another bid for 1000 at .75. He makes this print. Now he is short 2,000 at an average of .625. The market keeps moving and now its .75 bid 1.00 offered. Now he has to make a decision.
Just like investors, MM Hate to take a loss. So 9 times out of 10 he will now sell 2000 at 1.00 making him short 4000 but with an average .81. At this time he would love to see a seller at .75 so he can cover his short and make a few bucks.
But instead the market keeps moving up. Now it is 1.00 to 1.25 and here comes the buyer again at 1.25. He doesn't want to lose the call so now he needs to sell 4,000 at 1.25 to keep his break even point above the bid. Now he is short 8,000. Market moves up to 1.25 bid 1.50 offer here comes the buyer now he feels he must sell 8000 here because "stocks don't go up forever".
Now he is short 16,000. And so on and so on. If the stock keeps moving up, before he realizes it he could be short 50k or 100k shares (depending how big his bank is). Finally the market closes for the day and on paper he may look all right in that his "break even" price may be around the closing price. But now he has to figure out how to entice sellers so he can cover this short. It is important to note that if this happened to one MM it has probably happened to most all of them.
Some ways MM's entice sellers; Run the stock up with a "tight spread" in a fast market, then "open" up the spread to slow down the buying interest. After it has "cooled off" for a little while lower the offer below the last trade right after a small piece trades on the offer then tighten the spread so that the sellers feel they can take a "quick profit" by "hitting the bid" on the tight spread.
Once the selling starts the MM's will walk it down quickly by only making small prints on the way down with the tight spread. Another way is by running the stock up in the morning, averaging up their short then use the above technique to walk it down in the afternoon.
Hopefully after doing this for several days, it will demoralize the buyers. The volume will dry up and the sellers will materialize thinking that the game is over.
Contrary to popular opinion, MM usually Do Not Cover in Fast moving markets either Up or Down if they are short. They Short More. They usually try to cover after the frenzy is out of the market. There are many other techniques they use but the above are the most popular.
This technique works about 9 times out of 10 particularly in a BB market. However that is because 9 out of 10 BB stocks are BS. Remember what I said above. Most MM's don't have a clue as to the value of a Company until they get trapped. If the Company has solid fundementals and a bright future. Then the stock will do very well. And the activity that caused the situation will prove to even help the future stock activity because it created an audience."
Market Maker's Operating Procedure
The savvy long-term investors never chase stocks up. For the most part that is momentum players and daytraders where most of it or what follows is dumb money. Instead the long-term investors use a couple of simple strategies in order to position themselves. One is to find a stock no one immediately sees has huge potential and accumulate. Long-term investors are not interested in trading against the public mind or the dumb money. That's where the majority of the money can be made but even more can be made if the base of a stock is held extremely strong by investors. However the second is not to doubt the research which is the underlying basis for going long and holding.
More and more investors are winning the game nowadays despite all bashers that float through the Internet that has become part of the game. Floor traders of market makers often watch CNBC, news wires and bulletin boards in order to follow the market during trading session. OTC BB market makers (MMs) don't use fundamental and technical analysis. However, what they do realize is a lot of dumb money does use this newest nitch charting or TA (Technical Analysis) to run a stock either up or down. To the MMs this is like taking candy from a baby. Simply they will paint the tape and use whatever tactic to affect the charting bands. Thus the public and dumb money they will have eating out of their hands. Effectively the MMs can show a strong stock growing weak by manipulating the close price in order to generate selling volume, delaying trading time to manipulate trading activities, or even stalling the ask without honoring orders to hold a stock price.
MMs follow a simple code of business when making a market in a stock especially an OTC BB. That is the level that stocks will seek that yields the most volume. Now this is very important because they make money on the volume buying at the bid and selling at the ask. In other words, by making the market they are buying low and selling high. Now smart money adheres to that rule, so do all the market makers. They could careless whether the stock is at $83 or at $0.23. All they care about is the action thus being able to sell stock at the offer (The high) and buy stock at the bid (The low). To increase their profitability, they make the spread as great as possible on as many shares as they can especially if the volume falls off.
When they have mostly all "buy" orders, that's not the price that's going to yield the most volume. They need both buy and sells to get the maximum action. Remember, MMs play the volume. If the volume decreases and there are mostly Buys that become a one way volume, Buy volume. So what they do is let the stock run up to a price where it runs out of steam. They fill all the buy orders there that they can and then comes the pullback one way or another naturally or induced. During the pull back they can buy tons of shares and flip them to those averaging down or trying to catch the bounce. At some price, the stock will be relatively stable and yield the most volume. Now that is the average price you will see
The average price is the point where a stock seeks a level where MMs can profit on the most volume. So during the day that is the price that MMs and momentum/day traders want to see the stock at. Why? Because they know the public and dumb money was chasing the price thing up. Most of the time, the MMs love a flurry of Market Orders which is a dead sign of an artificial run or momentum. Merely it is money in the bank for them. Most get hung in a momentum or day trade or by the tactics of Market makers, who are in the business to screw the public every chance they get and the NASD is not going to do anything about it. They are merely making the market liquid is there reasoning.
The market makers have created an added complication to the OTCBB's chaos of the already volatile intra-day price movements created by dumb money, momentum and day-traders. MMs can not relate to long-term holders in the OTC BB. That makes absolutely no sense what so ever. They feel a large percentage of trades in the OTC BB market consist of short-term or day-trades, MMs merely view the barrage of buy and sell orders as relatively neutral to the market. How they figure it is when the average dumb money buys shares in a company, the MMs feel or rather know with some certainty it is very likely that dumb money will want to sell back those shares relatively quick on the slightest drop.
Now somewhat comfortable with this logic the MMs merely short sells into the buying and attempts to take the stock down in an effort to "shake out" the weak. Since it is tough to know for sure whether a move is the beginning of a trend, or a routine shake out, this type of deception works quite well for the MMs. What the long-termers do to a stock is surprise the MMs because instead of falling the shorting has no effect and the price goes up. Now that puts the MM at selling low through shorting and thus having to buy high in order to cover.
Boy, when this happens, the MMs are not very happy campers. The investors and traders are supposed to be doing that not them. Now it becomes time to pull out every trick and tactic in the book in order to attempt to get a Bear Raid at every dollar mark or percent from where the stock started. Could be a penny in smaller priced securities? What MMs do is give you a chance to make a small amount of money for your momentum and day trading style by shorting it at these levels and trying to get a bear raid each time. Each failure is compounding the MMs short position so they let it go to the next level. Now come more deliberate tactics MMs use to coerce Bear Raid or panic selling.
Once the MM is caught short and the strength of the buy is overpowering the MM will want to cover his short position. So the MMs call up one of his friendly MMs and says some like "the weather is sure rough today." The MM along with the other "friendly MM initiates a down tick about the same time. Now this can also be done with a certain amount of shares such as an infamous 100 shares flag. This down tick gives the illusion of weakness designed to hopefully begin the bear raid of selling. The fickle, fearful, day trader, momentum and short term begin to sell out allowing the MM to cover his short position at lower prices. They will move it down quickly to get it to a price of least financial damage. Problem they have is long-term investors in the OTC BB. They start accumulating and buying comes flying in when they take it too far thus the MMs took it to the point of volume again and not only investors the other MMs step in to make money on the spread.
Alas the poor MM does not get to cover. Now comes various tactics like stalling, boxing, or even locking the Bid and Ask for a while. Of course, MMs aggressively deny any sort of collusion designed to fix quotes or spreads, but a recent SEC investigation tells another story. MMs have a vast resource of tactics and it would take probably more than my lifetime to figure them all out.
So how do investors somehow manage to overcome the obvious deception in OTCBB arena? One answer is indirection trading style by going long which the MMs do not expect. In the war between investors and public companies on the OTC BB vs the MMs, if the MMs have all the advantages due to position or other factors, direct confrontation such as momentum or day trading hitting the stock is a definite death sentence.
However, an indirect approach tends to weaken the path of least resistance before slowly overcoming it. The most effective way is long-term investors slowly accumulating and holding thus drawing the MMs out of its defenses making them as naked as their short position. This is war so this slow accumulation and holding for the long term easily achieves the desired effect to force MMs to cover and knock off the tactics or bury themselves deeper.
The MMs when caught will especially use every trick and tactic in the book to get a Bear Raid thus playing on the individual fear of most people. The MMs feel they have information and position advantages over the investors as long as the holding of the stock is in weak hands or short term holders. Since they are OTC BB MMs who believe all OTCBB companies are not worth investing and management is ineffective regardless what is happening within the company. Furthermore, MMs know they are in the position to impose a great deal of influence in OTC BB stocks trading when it suits their needs.
This inherent power of position enables the MMs to move the markets at any time up or down. As a result, the only way to draw them out of their favorable position is going long. Now this does not mean just any company but to effectively nail the MMs, Longs must find the great company on the floor and accumulate long before the MM tactics and games begin.
I don't know, too soon to tell it seems. But if there isn't than why are you here? Things take time Professor Horns (I like that one) hehe... But again, why are you here? If you don't like what you see, why are you here? Oh did I ask, "why are you here then?" Is your primary mission to make money of those stupid enough to invest in this? The enigma that is ttxxhorns grows more and more deeper. I guess Medassets partnered up w/em cuz they don't think there's a market for there product. What do they know, just a mere mark cap of billion + And Deutsch Bank gave them that buy rating cuz there just stupid I guess. What do they know? just a mere BillionS + mark cap. Stupid idiots, they sure could use your expertise couldn't they.
http://www.mffais.com/mdas
And now as I'm done writing this your contrarian nature rears itself. I love it. give me more please.
Ps. His full name is Slyder. Sly sounds like a very subtle form of insinuation and an attempt to subconsciously discredit him to others. Learn your Psych or I will school you on it. JMHO
Concerning the mark cap argument:
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/07/micro_cap.asp
First you neglect to mention Salesconx. Albeit an undocumented form of employment.
Second, what exactly to do you question about product? Stop beating aroung the bush. You do this all toooooo often.
Third, why do you think 18 wheeler is an actual issue. It relative merely IMO.
Fourth, I'm glad you feel good
To whom it may concern. Look at all previous posts of Ttxxhorns. You will find them fraught with many contradictions. Some are clear and others are not. But enough of them are so obvious they're blinding. Likewise he may be in contact with other posters who act as good cop/bad cop. This is our lively-hood here. Lots of $ is at stake. Do really think MCLN is some kinda pump and dump scheme. Good things take time.
In nature a pattern is seen. The strongest trees take longer and are also stronger. The quickies are easily cut down and they don't even burn well.