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Its just an estimate, but for comparison's sake give HNSS an average PE of something like 8-12
well with an estimated EPS of 0.01 that would give a FMV price of 0.08 to 0.12.
#6 is really the only thing that matters..
We are trading at 1x earnings, that's just ludicrous to me. Hopefully the market catches on to this fact and we can break through NITE and ETMM to get to a pps more in line with the medical industry's historical PE.
I dont' think the MM's know anything we don't. I think DOMS and the others woke up and realized that, per the last pr, HNSS is trading at a PE of 1! This fact alone should have the price gapping up to at least 5 cents...
I gave an estimated PE of 10 to HNSS and set my sell price just above that mark.
Did you talk to HLNT about this?
What does geography have to do with anything? Are they worried he'll peek over the fence and then run to the boards and describe what he sees?
I'm a little confused at your post.
I personally think that would be a great idea. Anyone with questions HLNT needs to answer should submit them to Josey (or whoever the liason shall be) and he can contact the company, say once a week, to get updates and have our questions answered. Then he can report those findings here.
Everyone gets their questions answered and HLNT has more time to focus on growing. Win win.
Anyone still in this one? Not much action in the last week or two.
What were the prices you saw for something comparable to the barebones HOSS? No windshield, no winch, no gun ruck, no fog lights etc..
10K?
I think you meant $1.95MM.
$195MM and I would retire at the ripe age of 25.
That would be a great first step from UTV's to fleet/commercial vehicles! Anything to open up more opportunities for HLNT is ok with me.
I only wish I had some land, I am REALLY liking the new picture of the HOSS UTV. Sadly, I only get to go hunting about 3 times a year and there isn't much use for a UTV living in downtown Houston.
I was thinking the same thing. At least they aren't playing these BS games like NITE and ETMM.
It makes sense to me as well and I agree that putting a deal together isn't just shaking hands and starting to count the pay checks. Deals take time and involve many converstations.
I hope we see a natural progression from dealing with the special vehicles group to dealing with the passenger/commercial vehicle group. I seem to remember HLNT testing the wildcat on a 1.3L passenger engine?
Me? No sir, hold just over 1MM at 0.02..
Nope, its not. I see you posting the same stuff on our mutual hho stock as well.
If the company is truly worth more than where it is currently trading than take that as a blessing and load up shares because eventually, and inevitably, our inefficient market will return to efficiency and correctly value HNSS.
You think the negotiations for the on-board hydrogen unit are for installation on the UTV?
I was under the assumption Chad was talking about a deal for installing them on passenger/commercial vehicles...
yay negative nancy is back...
Have some resolve man, the company is working their tails off to bring us value so the least you can do is be positive..
Maybe DOMS will finally get his price today and then we will move on up past him.
MG is right on about the setbacks when dealing with contracts, two companies can almost NEVER keep on schedule when trying to work together toward a common goal. Either key personnel are out sick or a shipment arrives late or parts are on backorder etc etc etc...
Good things will be coming to HLNT and its investors though, we just need to show some patience.
Just read the article and sent some comments to the author(s) about highline hybrids already having a commercially available hydrogen booster that is showing gains of 15-30% on passenger vehicles. I also mentioned how great it would be for a credible source like them to test the wildcat and report their findings to the masses.
On a lighter note...
I got my letter at my work apartment today. Its all gravy now ;)
Hopefully that doesn't mean "we didn't get the results we wanted"...
I thought I remembered reading a while back the testing was complete and we were waiting on results. I guess I missed the part about the computers. Was that in the shareholder letter?
It seems that way but you can't hold down value forever. Right now, for every dollar you invest in HNSS you get a dollar in earnings in return. That is insane!
I only hold a small amount but after today's PR I will be adding as much as I can afford up to 5 cents then hold tight to at least 10.
Which testing are you referring to?
The John-Deere accredited testing facility?
The Chinese University currently looking at the Wildcat Booster?
DF, testing the UTV?
After a PR like we had this morning I was expecting a GAP UP to closer to .10.
Are people not willing to pay more than $1 for $1 of earnings? Historical PE's in this sector are what... 8-12? We should be trading at over 5 cents at the minimum.
You answered your own question. The guy wants shares even cheaper than they are right now.
Load up if you can, while you can. I don't think we will sit around at this level forever.
And I agree, we should DEFINITELY be trading much higher than we currently sit.
In response to your note at the bottom of your post...
I have also found Xtremepicks to have VERY thorough DD. They are in this business to make money just like the rest of us and I usually trust their findings as facts.
GLTA!
too many people from the board here called the State of Arkansas and the State got furious and did not go with HLNT.
That's just pure speculation. No one knows the reason HLNT didn't get the grant money.
I agree that we should just chill a little and give HLNT some room to work but statements like that are ridiculous...
When we hear from HLNT and they tell us they signed some big contracts.
$1.95MM in earnings with 150MM shares in the float, EPS would be $0.013.
Give a modest PE of 10-12 and that is a FMV of .13-.156!
with earnings based on the O/S we are trading at a PE of only 1..
Way undervalued.
Oh I can't see L2, I'm just watching the closet bid/ask on ETrade. Looks like it was getting walked down.
MM's are REALLY trying to hold this one back. Probably won't last long.
How is it that the bid/ask sits at 0.009x0.0099 all day and all of a sudden the market price drops to 0.0085?
Same amount of shares in my account as last week, none added here. Must have been a little glitch with your brokerage.
DOMS really wants that 0.0138. Hope he gets it today.
I think 2 cents is a pretty reasonable estimate taking into account only the sales we have so far and projecting what they could be in the next 12 months.
Let's say HLNT will profit $4MM next year and give it a PE of 12.
That gives a FMV of 0.0267/share just based on current sales trends. NOT included possible JV's with DF, John Deere, ect.
Its time we move up.
GLTA
Good questions, I'll let D&S answer for himself but I believe he stated a while back that he saw gradually improving numbers up to his peak mpg readings due to the engine being cleaned out by the burning hydrogen.
GLTA
Niko,
In order to avoid cutting in to the CEO's precious time with redundant phone calls when he needs to spend his time working deals, how about you reiterate your conversation here for everyone to read what y'all talked about.
Thanks.
Yea no arguing here, just waiting to see what will happen next.
Actually, I stated that earlier. It almost seemed like the MM's couldn't find anyone to play their game at the lower levels so they bumped it up and found new people to buy and sell to create liquidity.
In theory, that's how a market should work. Now lets see if we keep moving up to create a fluid market or if the MM's try to continue playing their games by taking it back down tomorrow...