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Nor have they considered the possibility that some of us hold large enough positions that we can place very strategic bid/asks along a spectrum of prices that impacts the movement of the stock as well.
At this low volume rate, very easy to do...say a little tit for tat to go with dat cat!
Zero volume? Hmmm....so it's not manipulated. Riiiiight....
It's 100% manipulation contrary to some other chartrs "observations". IF traders were responsible for the action in a free market exchange, my 200K order(s) would of been filled yesterday HOURS before they were. Not to mention even being visible...
You're exactly right LW1 about the potential of black ops efforts of Big Pharma and/or MM's looking to make easy money. Don't need a Tom Clancy novel to get the gist of the "why" of that. You mean to tell me Pfizer hasn't assembled an entire team of experts and legal to assess the CELZ tech and trajectory? Only a motley crew of OTC penny stock nose pickers has had the foresight to do DD on an up n coming (pun intended) ED pink sheet?
All of this MM manipulation gets cured, like ED!, when volume arrives on the back of FINS.
Patience for yet another day, week (or month?) is the MO IMHO.
Good luck to all adding LONG and able to hold for the haul!
It sure is. But for today, it's likely the same as yesterday and the week before...sideways at best.
Use these opportunities to build the war chest folks!
John Templeton - master of the trade
He rejected technical analysis for stock trading, preferring instead to use fundamental analysis (i.e. his brain and gut to measure reasonability!). Money magazine in 1999 called him "arguably the greatest global stock picker of the century".
I bet Mssr Templeton and his billions would of agreed with many of us on CELZ's fundamentals...
LONG N STRONG on the FUNDAMENTALS regardless of the double dippers, flippers and holy crosses...
Another 250k captured and stashed today. All in all a nice day for it!
Red or Green don't mean a thing; just you wait and see. The FINS will swim in and all will be well cept for the flipperz croakin on short peckerz...soon enough! Wait for it...steady now...kablooey!
Stay strong n long folks. GO CELZ$$$$
Nice! Lock 'em!
Calm before the revenue storm. Some are better at stamina than others. Just sayin...
And then Queen for that...
Love? very few have "felt" the love of Caverstem'd men. Once the word gets out...katy bar the door CELZrs.
Time to put that record on...the one with the RS's song from Fallen (anyone remember this movie with Big D?): Time is on my side....YOU'll come running back to me!!!
Just got me 100K from weak hands! Waiting on another 100k to fill...
Ice cream...yes, double dips that melt to flops which result in a sugary mess only ants could love. Wait, you meant a chart leading indicator? Sheesh, I thought the latest sign was the crocodile mouth...coming to chomp the PPS all the way down to its floor, wherever that is. If the PPS is a boat and the price pokes through the floor, does the boat sink?
Precisely.
Charty folks say it's going down to $0.0435 and then to $0.035. Since they call it all the time so well, you should probably sell real fast. Cause if that support doesn't hold, it'll be $0.02 next and then maybe a good ol de-listing?
If you want, I'll buy your shares for $.04 if the MM's will allow us...
Love it! It's totally reasonable to sell now. Just look at how awful this company is setting up to fail. I mean, revenues? Sheesh, this is OTC CELZ...you can't have revenue!
Waiting for the MM's to drop it some more before I load the cart with another haul. They own it for now but not for always...
Hey Gobs, I don't disagree with your sentiments at all. All truth is useful truth.
Although I take a hard line with charty folks, mostly because they are made up so often of those who are consumed with being "RIGHT" all the f'n time instead of being reasonable, I too actually like looking at charts and do so all the time. I can make some pretty ones too with efficient frontier curves and regression lines to snap the SML into shape. In college I learned the textbook ways of charting and modeling from some people like Craig W. Holden among many others. Also got a healthy dose of the nuances of corporate finance on asset valuations from my favorite guy in that space, Aswath Damodaran (NYU Finance Prof). What does all that blather reduce down to? It is simply the fact that with that kind of experience and knowledge, I am positioned to call a spade a spade better than some (or many?). I could sit here on this board all day long and use my knowledge to craft endless charts with supporting theses (plural of thesis) as to price prediction any given Sunday or weekday. What isn't emphasized in that domain is that finance is similar to other hard-science industries in that you can "engineer" just about anything you want with enough brains applied. However, even when the smartest people get together to make things work well with charts and models and lines etc. some very bad things can happen. Beyond all that glorious charting insight and resulting knowledge the net net is that is MAY or MAY NOT come to pass as anyone expects, especially on the shorter end of the duration window (i.e nanosecs vs. min, vs days, etc). I don't know how many folks here are familiar with LTCM (google that if you aren't) and what that company was and did. THe short version is that the freakin geniuses (nobel winners no less) who created the options pricing model currently used in markets today themselves created a company that was capable of modeling (i.e. charting) a risk-free return on invested capital. And isn't this what all chartists really imply? That they can read the chart and know when to enter and exit thereby limiting or eliminating losses and only keeping profits? The LTCM story is an amazing testament to the fallacies of charts and their raision d'etre (reason to be). LTCM performed amazingly until their charts and models failed to predict events beyond any reasonable estimations by the humans doing the estimating (like when a 10Q might show 200X revenue...). Results? multi-billion dollar bailout by the US Feds and others. barclay's, Italy and others lost hundreds of millions in a stop-gap to make sure the model created by LTCM and used to predict sh9t, didn't collapse the entire financial industry.
Charts are helpful in many cases (especially more consistently traded asset classes) but they are absolutely NOT preeminent. Think about the Big Short story...the Michael Burry one...he noticed something "unreasonable" about the tranches of securities trading in the MBS markets and decided to create the now famous CDS (credit default swap) to take advantage of the impending doom. He absolutely used charts in his analytics but the preeminent tool in his quiver was his GUT. The consolidation of years worth of managing a hedge fund developed his GUT into an amazing tool with a capacity to identify things that average charters couldn't recognize. It wasn't a chart so much as a "is this a reasonable development? I.e. all these credit-score-less folks buying McMansions on zero down bonds". IF charters could of trusted their tools so much and timed the ins n outs so well, then why did Mr. Burry mop the floor with them? THe real question isn't "why" but HOW? Burry did it by WAITING patiently. Excruciating as I can only imagine it was when all the "chartr's" were running the MBS markets higher and higher filling all those wedgies and golden crosses. Mr. Burry sat utterly still. He had placed his position on the fundamentals and instead of trying to profit all along the play and risk missing the massively fast and steep move, he sat on his position even in the face of the devil himself. ANd, I think we all know how glad he was when the fundamentals busted through in the end.
I'll close this short novel by saying, I like math. I like charts. I like corporate finance and science and learning practically anything in general. And run-on sentences. Most of all I like REASONABILITY by all peeps, regardless of their flavor preferences. Despite all of those things, the net net is any investment or play is truly 50/50 regardless of it all. It either will work like you predict or it won't. As for me, my GUT (SCARY) read on CELZ is seated on the fundamentals that, although I don't know the "when", I suspect from the reasonable nature of business development nuances this small little OTC is going to make a dash on the PPS when it makes a splash on the medical industry and the world at large. It's simply got the extra cherry on top because it aims to fix a problem at least 50% of those here on this board may encounter at some point in the future. How cool is that? ANd who in their right mind would "short" a company trying to help mankind go "LONG"???
As for me and my shares, we are sitting tight albeit uncomfortable at times until the big ol burst arrives.
HODL all you fellow LONGS playing for BIG coin.
Later.
It's so thick in here you could cut it with a knife. Not a CELZ mkting slogan unless you were Ms. Bobbit!
THEY (MM's) KNOW it's going to pop. Think about it...it's either a total scam and they show up to manipulate the fools with the hopes n dreams theories or it's a total homer and they manipulate the nervous twitches that can't wait for the facts to hit home. For CELZ, my money is quite literally on the latter. And it's almost time to climb it! (the latter...ladder...get it?)
It's a tug-of-war today! I've been playing the ring toss this a.m. with a few hundred thousand shares at various prices and order sizes...they aren't playing ball! The MM savages have this by the oysters and they are in total manipulation mode. Can one really call it "trading" when the market is fixed? Can charts predict a rigged game? Someone said yesterday they could buy 500k shares on a whim. Not so when the MM say it's not so. MM's know CELZ is going to pop soon. Just too much incentive to play it like this to be anything but the case.
How can any chart measure the illicit activities of a market maker(s)? Eventually a chart will be right but only after the fact. For now, it's blood in the pit with the MM's holding the scalp of their competitors. Savage though they be, whales will swallow them whole when the fins arrive and ain't no second chances in them bellies!
Good luck to all and those who want to get out with skin on their heads, remain calm and PATIENT for fundamentals. The wise play with facts...the rest play with lines on a page.
I've got 200k on the bid at .04. They aren't showing it yet.
So you're saying you've got that of magic eh "Touch"? Midas...get it?
My "guess" was tongue in cheek but hey, it's hard to read tone or body language in one-dimensional communication so no hard feelings.
Being my last free post for the day...you make my point perfectly. You made $5k in three days. WOW!! That's amazing! Or is it?
So what do you make of this situation...I could flush my shares down the toilet RIGHT NOW and clear (i.e. net of all 37% in taxes, big thanks to Mr. T) ~$200k per my own xml calcs. If you think that $5k is a good amount of money, more power to you. I genuinely hope the flag, pennant, wedgie or cross give you the all-knowing "signs" that even the best tarot card reader cannot provide. Using your own timeline factor to generate the $5k, that would require you to perfectly time the generation of $5k (presumably NOT net of tax) every three days for a solid 120 days. 120 days! Now, even being a charty optimist, you've got to be real enough to know that the odds of that outcome happening are slimmer than a pack of triple taxed Marlboro's at this point.
As for me, I prefer 8 - 9 figures in the kitty and know that when this thing pops, and no one save mgmt knows the when, there is no chance in hell I'd be able to accumulate such a large position necessary to generate such bombastic returns on a net cost adjusted basis. Your midas touch will fail miserably when the whales swim in.
For the record in case you think I'm drinking some cherry flavored kool-aid, I could totally be wrong on CELZ and lose the invested cap. Do I think that'll happen? Nope. Neither does the CEO of CELZ or the other 100M locked LONGs here.
Toodles all LONGS and best of luck for those flip'n the red n green machine.
Now this is rational reasonability at its finest. I couldn't agree more with the expectations, forecast or strategy.
"Will be epic" -- THat's what she said!
You got it!
Who wouldn't root for a company that is inking contracts with foreign nations and top shelf domestic doc's? Do you know where this thing was in April '18? Do you know why it is where it is now?
Which would be?
May I suggest the reality that red or green don't mean a thing until FINS swim out for all to see. Watch for the short hard bites when the fins appear. IMO.
Is it "sinking" if it's actually down less than it was an hour ago?
Confused about the ickle in your p.
The yo-yo don't stop until revenues hit the beat. Until then, it's just "walking the dog"
Something for newer eyes to revisit...especially if they teeter on the edge of "do I build a massive position" or "stay small or depart on a too good to be true"
Quoting one of my first posts on this board:
"although there are no guarantees with any single stock, ever, CELZ passes my litmus test with flying colors for being worth the serious high-risk (and let's not kid anyone of this fact) of holding a huge position in a singular security. Something I typically strongly advise others against. In this case however, I've put my money boldly down on the line and I expect it to stand up and walk back to me with a bounty of offspring in tow. Could it tank into subs or totally dissolve in a back-door mgmt swindle? Sure it could. Do I expect it to after all that is publicly known at this point? Nope. Certainly not before it makes a wild run (ups n downs for sure) to $1's or 2's. By then, I'm pretty sure none of us here will care what happens to the company. If you don't jet with profits at that point grinning all the way to the bank (or crypto wallet)...you have mountain oysters that would make a whale blush."
It is flat out stupid to put all of one's eggs all in one basket (let's leave this broadly defined as OTC invests solely for now). UNLESS, the "raison d'etre" (the most important reason or purpose for someone or something's existence) dictates that there are simply no other eggs that show the prodigy potential of CELZ anywhere else on the horizon and the point with OTC investing is to find the proverbial needle in the haystack and then pile every penny, dime and dollar into it and then wait patiently for the dollars n cents to come walking back with offspring a plenty. I liquidated two other OTC plays I still think will actually produce profit in a year or two. I absorbed a $20K loss in doing so for the sole purpose of freeing up capital to BUY CELZ NOW and that exchange has already "NETTED" a $32K GAIN after covering the $20k loss. THink about that. That calculated loss was in exchange for a much higher calculated gain that CELZ should deliver within a 90 day window. AIMHO.
STILL ADDING AND STILL LONG. Bring it MM's!
Put me in at 4.1M and counting...all locked up. Looking to add some more next week as assets get shuffled. Hoping to cross the 5 milly mark before a dime. I'll be buying a bucket load of popcorn after that and getting the 3D glasses out for a spectacular show.
Thanks, CF! Get outta that jail soon!
Solid summary of events JB. Thank you. It's refreshing to see your reasonable input which supports the reasonable thesis that CELZ is going to be a blockbuster Co. in a relatively short period of time. They are top shelf in what they do and continue to impress.
Just a side note for all those who are hanging by the proverbial thread...the 10Q for 2nd Qtr MAY come late. They could file the SEC compliant stay of reporting as they deal with the flurry of things going on. I can only imagine how challenging it must be for even our ace CFO Mssr Dickerson to keep up. He will not, under any circumstances, submit an incomplete or error riddled 10Q and thus I am allowing the very reasonable possibility and quite frankly very expected delay of reporting for the 10Q. To me, this doesn't reflect anything negative at all. Quite the opposite.
Keeping my horizon for info set on August or Sept with the hopes we get it sooner, naturally.
Thanks again for this write-up. I've printed it and hung it on the wall!
Cheers - LONG N STRONG
You got it! My last post for today...it was a GREAT day. Hey, at least the MM's didn't flush it down 29%. They absolutely could of if they wanted to. They don't give one f'n care about charts or news. It's almost a tip of the hat to us...that -4.3% close.
Patience = patients = revenue = financial liberty.
"There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." DOn't let a red day equal a dead day! Stay in, stay focused and GET LOADED *in more ways than one* ES.
CELZ IS ALIVE and doing just fine.
Wait and see!
Toodles LONGS.
On of my all time favorite movies. CLassic that applies to all of us LONGS.
Thanks, CS. Have a great weekend and who knows, there may be a bunch of us running little B&B's on the pacific beaches south of the border after we make a pit stop under a tree in VEGAS.
Take care!
1000% increase in Rev would put us at FIDY CENT in a flash! It's simple math, really.
short history so far says this is true for CELZ
Exactly. And a chart will never tell you the day or time that the 10Q is going to drop. An insider "trading" chart maybe...
BTW, I meant 10Q in my "whales" post...in my previous life I spent an inordinate amount of time with 10ks instead of q's as I only qualified/assessed big board stocks on an annual basis. Just something about the institutionals lack of appetite for owning nimble "uplifting" types of stocks. They don't know what they're missing.
GO CELZ!
Why do whales watch fins instead of eating the chart sharks?
It's simple really, they are the big fish and they know it. Big fish = big sh*$ who don't need Caverstem. CELZ stock maybe, but CaverStem? Nah, they get it plenty and keep the system in good working order.
Funnies aside, it behooves any of us LONGS here to consider this post. Just try to stick with me to the end here and maybe you'll find some comfort:
Don't fret or even try to get into the logic behind the WHY of CELZ price action day to day. News or no news. While it can be frustrating for anyone to get "played" by the MM's and their algos, step back from the line and ponder their purpose and what you would do if you were in their shoes. They have to make money on the clearing of trades or they don't exist. We actually need the MM else we CAN'T buy shares of CELZ outside of private equity placement assuming they were open to that, which they aren't right now. Now, that said, volume makes all the difference in the world for concrete valuations and reliable pricing characteristics. An MM that is trading a stock like CELZ that may have nearly nothing in volume one day and then 50M the next day is in a tough spot to comfortably profit from it because its volume is unreliable and there are azz holies (total compliment in this use) like ES to poke and prod them. Please keep it up! So what about this volume discussion? What's the Why in it? this brings us back to the whales...just like the real life beasts that can make a massive wave by flapping their flipper (they can in fact kill an animal this way, an MM in our case?)...a whale can show up to a stock like CELZ and wipe out all the little fishy peeps and big bag MM wolves in one fell swoop of their open mouths. Case in point, I personally know three different people I can call and talk to directly within 5 minutes that have net worths as follows: RichA#1 = $1B+ (got super lucky converting some Goldman warrants after his boutique trading firm got gobbled up by them), RichA #2 = $250M give or take his Treasuries, and last but not least RichA#3=$73M or thereabouts. Now, each one of these guys could all by themselves could simply absorb CELZ in its entirety with their cash. Must be nice. By this definition alone they are "whales". Now, whales can also exist in form if not factor alone, i.e. a school of fish can mimic a whale by swimming in the form of one, etc. So, back to the opener of why do whales watch fins instead of eating the chart sharks...the point is that whales don't NEED to take the extreme risk to play the zero sum game to reach whale status. It's like Trump not caring about petty lobbyists because he's more loaded than they are. Kinda changes the way you approach stuff when you don't care about the "small" money. So, my friends who are whales sit like this: RichA#1 won't even waste his time with something like CELZ because he makes more from T-Bill's in a year than all of us here make combined. He spends his money and time on BIG league things like buying MLB teams etc. RichA#2 is still looking to get to the BIG league and so has a marginal interest in CELZ for up-sized potential. He's "watching it". My guess is that if it goes to 25 cents he'll swoop in and buy $10M worth on the fly expecting to quad his $ at a buck and then exit. Then RichA#3...he has already nibbled with a few hundred thousand dollars and will probably slap down $5M when this hits a dime. So, why aren't they all buying tons now when it is so CLEAR that CELZ WILL rocket and they could make so much more money by buying now? Because, they didn't get that kind of money in the first place by buying something that didn't have HARD facts to back up the "excitement" and "Chart darting coaster". They are incredibly wise, steady hands who happen to get lucky sometimes too. Funny how the rich constantly get more lucky than the rest...something about Einstein saying "chance favors the prepared mind...".
I'll close this endless blather of mine by saying that Whales are aware of CELZ and they are very interested BUT, they wait for real numbers because they are smarter than most and because they can afford NOT to take the excessive what-if risk. IT's simply reasonable that a rich trader will wait for confirmation of all the good vibes we LONGS have from these PR's and such. If they see that the revenue (don't matter where it came from) is 4X Q1's tiny little $9,600 , you can bet your azz they're going to be all over this like thigh fat on J>L>O.
As for me, I'm not a Rich AAzzz guy, by their $ metrics, so I take the excessive risk based on the high quality DD with my hundreds of thousands hoping for all these PR's to live up to the hype in the HARD FINS. I don't care what the MM's do day to day, unless I want to buy and then I hope they run it down! Real Smart people don't guess with charts and darts. They WATCH fins while drinking a cold one.
It will serve us LONGS well to pretend to be like them and chill until 10K time. It's coming!!
Until then, let'em MM's rip it up 200% then drop it down 400% and bring it back again to give every weak azz whiplash. They have to make money while they wait for the whales to come in to feed. They are what they are and I'm GLAD they exist; otherwise I wouldn't have the opportunity to be LONG in a Sssshlong penny that is going to bust a buck within 12 months!
Good luck to all you longs and don't sweat it today or next week etc...it'll make you need to be a CELZ customer!
Cheers and hey, I'd love it to close green today for the record. Who doesn't feel good when that happens??? MMs.
Betta watch out for Lt. Lois Einhorn Dan!!
- AVPD
Confidence Intervals notwithstanding, I tend to agree on a purely visceral basis since watching and buying since March.