It looks like we’re on track to trade 200,000 shares today, that’s the equivalent of trading over 4.8 million shares pre-split, I believe that would by far be the largest trading day in this company’s history

Did I understand the statement correctly regarding shares being exercised. If I did, it indicated that over 1 million shares of BIO-key stock were exercise at $3.60 per share A few days ago.

That’s incredibly bullish and strategically important.

Very disappointing, even after what should be considered fairly decent news about the year-end numbers and at least beating the adjusted guidance, there still a total lack of confidence in this company. Very troubling.

Trading at 8 1/2 since pre-split. Not very encouraging.?

So how ironic is this, I use a password manager called Dashlane and believe it or not, several years ago that recommendation was given to be by David Collins.

I recall having several discussions with him years ago about trying to get somebody to promote the BIO-key product to Dashlane. Don’t think it ever happened and actually Dashlane uses someone else’s product now as I recall

When secure tech is able to incorporate BIO-key’s fingerprint sensor that will operate on both platforms, I’ll switch over to them. Unfortunately by the way, that will be a fairly significant task as I believe you have to reinvent the wheel to do it.

Thanks for your comment, I really did have a good conversation with secure tech and thought the gal I spoke to there was extremely high on the BIO-key relationship. That was really good to hear.

The addition of the iOS component will be key to the success of this relationship. Really can’t wait to get it on board because until that happens, I cannot get rid of my current password manager.

Share away.

It is definitely frustrating that these last three press releases have had solid content and revenue potential attached to them and has still done nothing but provide a selling opportunity on the stock.

I spoke to the folks at secure tech headquarters yesterday in an effort to get a better understanding of what this relationship was all about. One of my concerns was that this is Windows-based and in my opinion probably not very sufficient sense what’s of people use both window-based and I OS products and therefore need a password manager that can work with both. I can tell you I definitely do and all of my devices update through mice password manager seamlessly whether it be iOS or windows.

I had a very good and positive discussion with secure attack and was very pleased to hear that they really like working with BIO-key. I was also told that there would be a solution that would include both Windows-based and iOS products coming out in the future. I think when that happens that will really enhance the value of this relationship.

I also tried loading the secure tech application on my computer and it wouldn’t allow me to do it. What I did learn from the headquarters folks is that if you have another password manager, you need to disable it and delete it from your computer otherwise the secure tech platform won’t load. Unfortunately I’m not willing to remove my current password manager to try the omni pass/BIO-key product because I need it to integrate with both iOS and windows. Hopefully the problem will be solved very soon.

And like the rest of you, I really don’t understand the disconnect between some of these press releases and lack of any appreciation in the share price. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me as our share price is at 15 year lows and our orders/revenues and opportunities are at 15 year highs.

I think we still have a serious credibility issue, nobody believes.

Interesting press release, and in general I like the message but I’m definitely confused as to what the value is here.

What is Omni pass consumer? I don’t see that on the Softex website. I assume I’m looking at the proper place as I do see Omni pass listed. Is Omni past consumer a different password manager program?

I really like the potential here but I’m not sure how we can maximize BIO-key. I use a password manager from Dashlane which I really like but it’s not compatible with BIO-key side touch products. If the Omni pass is, I would definitely switch over.– Lane password manager supports someone else’s finger print reader as I recall, not BIO-key and I therefore not purchased it.

I’m not sure if the dog is wagging the tail or the tail is wagging the dog.

BKYI and crypto currency. Take a look at BIO-key international connection to crypto currency announced yesterday. Should start to see that stock move also.

What is the BIO-key connection to bitcoin and crypto currency? I’m sure there has to be one somewhere.

As usual, didn’t proofread. I believe the all time low on the stock was $.045 set about 10 or 11 years ago. Counting for reverse split, that would mean $1.08 a share.

I believe the all time low for the stock was four and Ihave sans set probably 10 or 11 years ago. Accounting for the reverse split, that would translate into $1.08 per share.

Unless something quite drastic happens very shortly, I can see the stock breaking a dollar on the downside and it certainly has a lot of room to go into that sub one dollar range.

I think the real question here is, who is selling the stock?. I maintain that it is in all likelihood anybody that has been getting free shares for payment of services and that would be companies like our PR firm catalyst and maxim who is basically a pump and dump outfit anyway. I do not believe the selling our retail investors. We stuck it out for much too long to throw in the towel now even though we probably should be.

New member of the board of directors announce this morning. Will we see some more insider buying now or was he the big buyer last week?

Either way, at least the Chinese guys are putting their money where their mouth is and establishing significant insider positions

Thanks for your support guys.

Wick, my money is still on $3.60 a share and trying to go China goldJoy/Wong take over the company specifically for the NASDAQ listing.

Add the tax loss carry forwards and this thing is a screaming bargain. I don’t know why somebody else isn’t stepping into to do this.

Wick, there’s no question that this stock is being very seriously manipulated. Especially with Maxim involved I view them is the king of the pump and dump crowd. We should never have tied her wagon to them. As a matter fact I would rather be trading on the bulletin boards rather than involvement with that company.

Wick, sorry, I’m a moron this morning and not paying attention. Guess somehow I’m always suspect to everything goes on with BIO-key these days. Lost way too much money to have a positive view of anything here

But after going down that path, I wonder if perhaps I was more right then I think when I suggest that somebody short this stock big time and yesterday was the first attempt to cover and that’s why we saw that all time record tradingvolume.

Given the pathetic earnings report, my guess is they were able to cover quite handsomely and made a bundle of money.

I read that earlier where they reference commonwealth equity services. What’s the connection! Is commonwealth equity partners a ARCA?

I seem to recall past history where we had hedge funds involved in this company and all they did was short the heck on the stock and destroy whatever small amount of value we had.

I wonder if ARCA shorted the heck out of this stock up in the mid 2 dollar to the low three dollar range going into earnings and now they let it free fall and now they’re trying to cover

ARCA is the old archipelago as I recall, I believe owned by General Electric many years ago.

Why would they be sitting on the board for BIO-key and are they in addition to the board? What value they bring to the company. Our need is not trading our stock, we’re doing a great job of that, Our need is developing a marketing plan to go out and sell something. Perhaps I’m wrong though, maybe our strategy to sell something which are more shares. That’s not a good thing

Who is a ARCA? Is that an addition to the board or did somebody get replaced on the board

Interesting, the equivalent of about 1,325,000 shares have traded so far today. The question is, is the SmartMoney on the buyer or on the seller?

Got a love a good mystery movie. Or maybe it’s a thriller.

Well good for him, I don’t know if he was good or he was lucky but either way, he managed to get off the sinking ship.

I guess in a few hours, will know just how much water we’re taking on and how soon before we are completely sunk.


We will soon see if we sold anything. And you know, nothing happens until you sell something.

This transaction appears to have taken place on November 18. Does not state a year. In the part of the world I live in, November 18 hasn’t gotten here yet at least in the year 2017.

It also indicates a price of $.30 which would be kind of crazy and it also indicates that we are listed on the OTC bulletin board which is not correct either. This must be an old press release.

Of course given the way the stock is been trading, I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re trading at $.30 on November 18, 11 days from now.

Most likely Maxim dumping their free shares. They’re nothing but a pump and dump organization and we should never have done business with them.

I knew this day would come but foolishly failed to act on what I knew would be reality. How stupid. Anybody know how many shares we gave Maxim?

Don’t give up 24

Wish I could reply to you privately but I’m not a member and therefore can’t. You would have to contact me outside of iHub.

Very concerning that we sold off on extremely significant volume. Something just isn’t right here. We’re heading back towards all-time lows that is very troubling. Did we miss the market?

Maybe you haven’t heard, you might want to check out iPhone X

Facial recognition

So goes apple, so goes the world.

Watch CNBC, all they talk about is facial recognition now, I don’t hear them talk about finger print anymore.

I agree FP is not dead, it’s just sitting in the backseat now

Unfortunately, I don’t think so. Massive share dump of close to 1.35 million shares pre-split and heading back to all-time lows. What is wrong with this picture?

Announcing a new line of stocking stuffers for Christmas at $4.99 each is not going to get us where we need to be. With the devastating news out of Apple yesterday regarding fingerprint technology, I think we need a new sales plan. FP out FR appears to be in. Our day may have come and gone.

I think the markets telling us the Q3 is a disaster. Back under $.10 a share pre split this morning. Does anyone remember what guidance was for this year?

Back to 10.3 cents pretty split.

In the words of Harold Hill, looks like there’s trouble in River city. This does not look promising unfortunately. Can’t sell it and can’t give it away. I guess there’s always next year.

Maybe they’re going to sell them in their stores. I’m not sure by the way, they real army? Do they actually have guns? I know they have a band and a bell

I think I figured out who the leading defense contractor is that’s going with BIO-key. Based on the stock performance after the announcement, I think it’s the Salvation Army

Just picked up a couple thousand more shares at $2.6236

$3.60 is the number give or take a few penny’s

You will see.

I don’t get why anyone is selling the stock for less than $3.50 a share. Wong has all but said that he will take over the company at $3.60 a share and perhaps even a little bit higher.

Foolish sellers once again. Might actually be worth stepping in to buy some more.

I watch the show from 8 o'clock to 9:00 PM. There is no BIO-key products featured at all but I did get a good deal on a swag bike in black

BIO-key mentioned in a time magazine article. Article quotes Jim Sullivan, vice president of sales at BIO-key.

I find that surprising, not the quote from Jim Sullivan, the fact that time magazine is still in business.

My guess is that the sellers are those that have acquired the stock free of charge. More specifically, in Lou of services. That would be Maxim and probably bad PR firm that we got catalyst I think is their name. They're probably the guy selling. They need to get paid somehow and maybe it's time to cash in

I am well aware of the twenty-year limitation and I am quite certain that over the past 15 years we have got substantial losses that would qualify.

You can pull the accumulated lost off one of the filings, don't remember which one it is but the last time I looked which was maybe six months ago I believe it was somewhere in the $75 million range. I'm confident that that losses probably closer to $80 million now.

I'm also well aware that you can't utilize the entire lot but quite comfortably you could probably use at least 20% of it, maybe even 22 to 23%. That's still a fairly substantial number in the $20 million range. That's bigger than our market cap is today I believe

Is this pure and simple? No but is it achievable absolutely. It's done all the time. Good tax accountants know exactly how to treat these

Let's not lose sight of the simple fact that the tax losses of this company has accumulated have a significant value to someone and I believe China gold joy can utilize them quite effectively. Shareholder, I personally treat it as an asset. Has value to someone.

Sean boy, why don't you enlighten us all about section 382 limitations. Tell me why I'm wrong.

Don't give up, I'm sorry but I've listen to 15 years have we can't give you any information about these deals and I'm tired of it. I can't believe this is the only company that can't share a hint of value about orders. I have no other company and I have a fairly large portfolio of companies that I invest in that at least provide some order of magnitude. I think this is pure BS

The problem I think is that these so-called deals and nothing significant at all. That's what worries me.

My guess on who is selling probably that Maxim group that got a bunch of free shares and the PR firm that also get a bunch of free shares in Lou of invoicing. They're the ones that are probably selling.

Same situation that we had years ago with the preferreds constantly selling the free shares that they got.

The greatest value in BIO-key stock is the accumulated tax loss carry forward.

I estimate that the company now carries an $80 million tax loss carry forward. If you were to assume that 25% of that is usable, that would mean there is a $20 million value and tax loss to in acquiring company. That translates to approximately $3.10 per share. And that's just the tax loss carry forward value.

If china gold Joy were to merge with the company and take advantage of that tax loss carry forward, that by itself would be worth over three dollars per share. I have run these numbers by some very sophisticated tax accountants that work for two of the three largest accounting firms in the country and they both agree that my theory is quite valid.

I believe the value of this company today is far less of a play on sales but more a play on the value of its tax loss and financial opportunity two in acquiring company.

This stock should be trading at more than twice what it is trading at right now but clearly it's not going to get there because most people are valuing it based on sales.

This point, I value this company on its tax loss carry forward along with its intellectual property.

Remember, $3.60 is the number.

After 15 years of this fluff meeting with PR that, I want real information about what our order opportunities and potential is. No more vague pressure leases that mean nothing other than providing a selling opportunity for those that want to bail out.

Well maybe you're OK with fluff PR is that you nothing but drive the share price down because investors know that they're nothing but fluff. I am the other hand want real press releases that enhance the value of the stock price. This fluff PR 10% off the share price in the past few days.