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Mas,
Are you excluding the A7 from your assessment?
What would the SoC have to do with the reading in sunlight situation?
Isn't that all down to the screen type?
It is CloverTrail+, not BayTrail in the Dell 7" tablets.
BayTrail is in the 8" & 11" Dell Tablets and at the moment, BayTrail doesn't support Android.
In your comparison, they are the same gen of EU's, whilst CherryTrail will have Gen8, compared to BayTrail's Gen7 EU's.
But weren't you suggesting Nvidia would have GPU leadership with Tegra on 28nm?
Surely there must be a version of CherryTrail that gets sold that has less than 16EU's, for those tablets where CPU performance and/or battery life matters much more than GPU performance.
Even if it is because Intel simply disables a number of EU's.
If Intel had BayTrail, CherryTrail 8EU's, CherryTrail 16EU's, wouldn't that in a way be Intel's equivalent to Snapdragon 400, 600 & 800?
Plus an 8EU CherryTrail would cater to those otherwise CherryTrail 16EU's with a faulty EU or two.
Could Cherry Trail come in two versions in respect of EU's?
Say one version with 16 EU's and another with 8 EU's, allowing Intel to better target different sections of the tablet market?
Huh? AMD have lost market share in servers, hand over fist.
For reasons I won't bore you with, I am extremely unlikely to ever purchase any Apple gear.
As for a phone size, I'm very tempted by the Samsung Galaxy Note 3. :)
Does the comparatively small screen of the iPhone 5s prove problematic for you when it comes to web browsing, or do you not do much of that and primarily use it for calls?
I am one of the few here I suspect who hasn't yet made the jump to a smartphone and I am very conflicted over the trade off between screen size for browsing and how well it will fit and stay in my front trouser pockets.
Mas,
Thanks for that. :)
I agree with pretty much everything you have said in that post about Intel and Itanium and recall you previously making those points and myself also agreeing with you at the time too.
Obviously many things are easy to say with the benefit of hindsight and that wasn't my intention as such, I was just trying to establish whether with the benefit of hindsight(obviously something that wasn't available to the Intel execs who had to make the decisions back then), was it a case that focusing on Itanium came with significant opportunity cost or not.
Just for the sake of my own curiosity, I have always believed that it was only due to Intel being distracted by Itanium, that it allowed AMD to be the ones to define the 64bit standard for x86, and it appeared in some of your recent posts, you were suggesting that Intel's efforts on Itanium had nothing to do with why it was AMD and not Intel defining the 64bit standard for x86.
So that is what I was trying to flesh out.
So you don't think that Intel either took their position as the x86 future directions holder for granted, nor that they were late to develop a 64bit x86 version because they were distracted by or concentrating their primary 64bit efforts initially on Itanium?
I understand your points about Microsoft and how Intel was forced to follow AMD's lead here because of Microsoft, but how was it that Microsoft and AMD were setting the terms of 64bit x86 and not Microsoft and Intel?
It looks to me that Intel wanted Itanium to have the best start possible by being Intel's only 64bit architecture when Itanium launched, with Intel bringing out a 64bit architecture for x86, sometime later on.
It also looks to me that Intel thought that Microsoft would never allow AMD to be the designer of 64bit x86, and Intel thought Microsoft would be prepared to wait for Intel to get around to releasing it, but Intel got caught out misjudging that situation.
How did it come to pass that AMD's 64bit extension was there first and being used by Microsoft?
Sure Microsoft didn't want to have Intel come along later with a version of 64bit x86 that wasn't compatible with AMD's, because Microsoft had already committed to AMD64.
Do you have a blog or something where you announce whenever an article you have published appears?
I follow you on SA, so I obviously get to read all your articles there, but by the sounds of things, there are a few articles you have written in recent times at other sites I may have missed.
Whilst no doubt the performance of the Opteron in 32bit mode was a major factor in its success, what about the legitimacy/prestige that was given to AMD when Microsoft declared that the 64bit world of x86, was going to begin as an AMD derived standard?
I am amazed that Intel ever allowed that situation to arise, and surely must have come about because of the mistaken belief within Intel, that they could dillydally about defining an 64bit standard for x86, whilst they were trying to move people who wanted 64bits, towards Itanium.
When I think of opportunity cost in respect of Intel's Itanium project, I think of the needless extra credibility they gave to AMD.
Sure AMD has pissed away that credibility now, but it still must have come at a not insignificant cost to Intel.
Have you done a mini-review/blog post anywhere about your Venue 8 Pro?
I suspect Ashraf's view on the XMM 7160 will prevail here.
Literally every success we have seen from Intel in the mobile market has taken a lot longer to achieve than many had thought or hoped for.
The market might abhor a single player, but if it means waiting just a little bit longer for a far superior offering from Intel, little doubt they will in my view.
Did Intel also win the CPU socket for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10" Tablet?
So Intel with 14nm, won't take graphics leadership in tablets from Nvidia, who are stuck with 28nm?
How unfortunate. ;p
Muzo ain't the sharpest knife in the draw, he probably really did believe the nonsense he said.
Both Kindle's would appear to come with better screens, certainly much higher resolution.
A not inconsiderable thing in a tablet.
These smartphone makers need to find a way to make their phones go a few days without a recharge, when the phone is only being moderately used.
I don't know how much of the power draw is done to the screen, vs the SoC, but if the SoC is the main culprit, I hope that this is what Intel is focusing on primarily, rather than winning every single benchmark.
What are the things about the Samsung Ultrabook that your wife doesn't like?
How much of her dislike is a Win8 thing?
Whilst there is little doubt that Nvidia has room for improvement, what will they be able to offer anyone who wants an ARM processor/SOC, that Qualcomm or Samsung won't be able to do and do better?
Future generations of Intel IGP are going to inflict terrible damage to Nvidia's discrete GPU's in PC's/Laptops and if Intel bought Nvidia, would they gain any benefit before Intel's current planned GPU's/IGP's are out on 10nm?
I just don't see a rosy future for Nvidia at all, and little reason why Intel would need to spend a small fortune on acquiring them now, even if Regulators approved and that is literally unimaginable anyway.
The Venue 8 Pro seems like appalling value(over the Venue 8) for someone who doesn't have to have Win 8.1.
At twice the price, I initially thought that the Venue 8 Pro must have come with a higher resolution screen, yet it appears to be the same screen.
Intel will also be bringing new designs to the market.
Since Intel has only recently got serious about the low power market, it stands to reason they have more improvement in them than ARM does.
It appears he is suggesting that Intel's competitive position with 14nm will be worse, presumably because the ARM forces will have 20nm by then.
I thought this response was better. ;)
It wasn't Mr Kanter, but a fellow named "tarlinian". :)
I don't really get what it is about Samsung that would want to make someone buy a Samsung phone, over another maker's, if they had the same screen size.
After all, Samsung uses Android like everyone else, and if anything, the Touchwiz interface Samsung puts on top of Android is no selling point, quite the reverse.
I think Samsung's success owes a lot to having larger screen sizes on their phones, so browsing is much more enjoyable.
With the parts of the CPU implemented by hand on say Sandy Bridge, does that then get to painlessly transfer over to Ivy Bridge and/or Haswell, or does it all need to be re-done?
If there is substantial rework, it makes me wonder why Intel doesn't try to drag out the length of time a CPU design is being sold to the masses, with Clock Speed bumps.
I plan to always have a decent desktop as the foundation of my home computing setup, but am much more open minded to buying cheaper portable devices.
So for me what that means is that I have an i5 3570K, moderately overclocked to 4Ghz, paired with a fast Intel SSD, and about 12+ TB of Hard Disk space, in a tower case.
If recent releases by Intel is any guide, I doubt I will be feeling the need to upgrade the CPU & motherboard on this system for many years to come.
The only trigger for me to upgrade the CPU/motherboard will be when a future game like a Half Life 3/4/5, won't run adequately, due to the CPU being not powerful enough.
Any encoding or whatever I do that takes a long time, whether it takes me 1 hr or 2 hrs, just isn't a big enough motivator to go through the hassle of setting up a new system, as my primary desktop system.
Now I expect that various Airmont/Goldmont products will look very interesting to me, as something like the BayTrail based Asus Transformer, is the closest thing I have seen to the perfect portable device for me, but I want to see it come with more ram, more SSD storage and higher screen resolution.
In what way does Android make an iPad with iOS feel like a dumb terminal?
Aren't tablets about content consumption, so if you can browse the net and watch video content, how does the O/S get to make a big difference in the user/owner experience of a tablet?
What user interface advantages does WinXP have over Win 7?
I hated Vista, but loved Win 7 and found it amazingly intuitive, coming from 8 years of using WinXP.
Win 8 seems like a bit of a mess and I am not remotely tempted to switch to it and will hold off on any further computer system purchases till Win 9 is out.
At that point, I really will have little choice but to buy again, so I hope Win 9 sorts out Win 8's shortcomings.
I'm surprised Microsoft don't seem to be pushing the notion that your Windows Phone can also be your PC.
Of course they would need to be running on an Atom SoC.