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I really do enjoy this little exchange from 2009.
I guess I was pretty much 100% correct and you were 100% incorrect.
It is hilarious that all the things you praised them on got swatted down by the company in less than 2 years. Are you still happy to debate or discuss any of them??? I doubt it.
True to their word about no raise in the A/S-oops
Effective branding strategy for etc.-oops
a ceo who follows thru-oops
Conventional financing vs. dilution-oops
anticipation about the big 10000 unit order-oops
the transparency from the webcam-oops
operational profit-oops
Home depot order-oops
shipping by September 29th-oops
2.5 truckloads a day-oops
ceo that will sue people that say mean things-oops
The lame pump with pictures and visits is not working and has been played out already
Yep. Remember in 2008 when the visits were being talked about and claims of seeing contracts laying around were made. What happened? Yep they lost over 900k in 2008 and dropped in revenue by 50%.
Remember in 2009 when the visits were gushed about? All the production that was going on and how high quality all the products were? What happened? They dropped another 33% in revenue and lost over 500k.
Remember in 2010 when people were gushing about visits to the plant and all of the bills of lading and the HUGE Lowe's/Stanley order? What happened? Dilution and more dilution. We also know that the revenue numbers released so far for 2010 are abysmal.
So what have all of these visits ever amounted to? Nothing. In fact all they do is prove that JD can trick people that walk in the door like no other or that these visits are part of the scam.
but the documentation exists in this
very venue .. which has me LMAO due
to the ironies ..
What documentation??? There is zero.
I will give you actual documentation that is not fictitious.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/EXPH/short-sales
As of may 13, 2011 (well after the time frame you say has not been covered) there is short interest of 33,055.
On my calculator(which is far superior than *some*) 33,055 is at least 99million less than 100million. I used round numbers to not overload *some* calculators.
Game. Set. Match.
Get a new calculator.
Fact: You have stated that mgmt will only discuss what has already been released publicly.
Fact: It would be hypocritical to claim that speaking to the company or visiting it would produce any worthwhile info considering the above fact.
Fact: The PPS was once over three cents.
Fact: The PPS is below .001
Fact: JD Brown and GH took loans from the company in 2006.
Fact: Expo paid interest for notes they could have paid down but did not because JD and GH took those loans.
Fact: Because of the two above facts. JD and GH cost a public company lots of money by taking out personal loans from Expo Holdings.
Fact: That makes them scam artists.
which of course
was held 2 days b4 *tda's* actions taken
due to crappy clientele who manipulated
exph's stock via wash trades and multi
accts
Completely false. No facts to back it up whatsoever. Never have been, never will be.
it was 2 months b4 the totally
unexpected passing of the ceo of that
private co. ETC was going into
Window World installs windows. Not cabinets. Certainly not crapinets. This was a fabrication since day one.
and post r/m into a littered shell
This is said frequently, but what was it littered with??? I will take a link to single legal issue that was inherited from this shell. The simple fact is there weren't any.
expo's demise isn't happening sbb .. this is one
of the rare legit OTC co.s that will make it and
all of the competitors and shorts can thank those
multiple lowes connections
What is so funny about all of the gushing Lowe's posts is that Lowe's is actually one of the worst things to happen to Expo.
Because of the Lowe's PR's they have stopped caring about profit margins. They have become devoted to selling one thing. Shares of stock. Look at how they leveraged Lowe's, Home Depot, and Walmart to pump their stock to .03 in 2009. All that effort for 170k worth of business? They have been selling to Lowe's for years and years. Since 2005 for sure and probably even before that. WHERE HAS IT LED???? Nowhere.
These contracts and deals lead them further in the red. Lowe's doesn't care about Expo's profit margins. They care about getting their products at the cheapest price available. When you have Expo quoting at cost, they are obviously going to be pretty darn cheap. So they land the bid and then PR about it. Unsuspecting investors think to themselves this company must be legit, I mean Lowe's buys from them. Then you have company plants and paid promoters talk about how there are all of these great Lowe's connections and voila. Shares are easy to sell. Scam complete.
Taking on occasional large orders building inserts for permanent displays looks like alot of business when taken at face value.
Kind of like the "huge" Stanley/Lowes order that was for over 10k units? But we know for a fact that they were less than 17 bucks a pop? Remember how often that was PR'd and posted about? Pretty laughable now.
SBB 69 million EXPH at .0001
So what you are saying is that you single handedly can dismiss 4kids theory about shorted shares not being covered as well as your own claims about low volume?
Thanks for your efforts.
the *turn* came about at approx 11 am on 9/15/2009
Mgmt began dumping well before that and you know it.
You have pointed out most of their trades actually. Thanks for your help!
i would love to read a post by anyone negative on EXPO
who ACTUALLY VISITS IN PERSON
JUST ONE
THERE ARE NONE
What a silly comment. Who would go visit a company they know to be a scam?
Who would go visit a company that can look at a few simple filings and realize Expo isn't worth an investment?
You yourself have said that MGMT wont release anything that isn't released publicly which of course points out how utterly stupid it would be to visit the place or even call them. If they can only recycle what is already released, why not just read what is already released?
DO you not see the craziness of such a claim?
If mgmt won't even reply to an email asking a very simple question why would somebody go and visit? Contact info left btw so your excuse of why they don't reply doesn't hold water.
accessing capital to grow is normal
only via negative posts does that become *bad*
Again I think we need to get you another calculator. Expo has Diluted over 500% since becoming public. Their revenues have gone from 4.8million to 2.3 million to 1.6million to probably about 1.2 million based on the early numbers released regarding 2010.
Now please tell me how on your calculator that equals GROWTH.
Also I thought you claimed companies went private to raise capital? Which is it?
edit>> fortunately where *clay's* .. er *awareness is
concerned .. mgmt paid the *chartist* 500.00 bucks per
month and that dubious *awareness* ended in nov 2009
Another example of a disingenuous claim. Expo paid him 6400 from June to Nov 2009. That is over 1000 per month on my calculator. Oh those pesky details.
Also coincidentally that is the same time frame that you claim mgmt had nothing to do with a pump and dump. *disingenuous*???
Also the same time frame that they released what 25 PRs? *disingenuous*???
Also when they held a conference call and claimed they had a 100 million dollar product. Remember when we laughed at it being 100 million and of course you pointed out we had to wait 2-3 years? Well guess what it has been almost two years and they don't even have one seller!!! That has got to sting!
"Dump" - very low volume
Perfect example of a disingenuous claim. Low volume some weeks, lots of volume others. How many billions and billions have traded?
That's what I thought.
Guess your theory got debunked pretty quick huh?
Oh and BTW as far as contacting the company, I am still waiting for a reply regarding the 4.4 million dollar shortfall in revenue statements that JD made.
Geee, I wonder why he avoids my questions like the plague... I have him pegged and there is nothing he can do about it except hide.
As always it is statements like these that prove what a POS Expo is.
Celebrating .0003? That is funny.
That still puts a former BOD candidate in the red on this thing. Funny stuff.
http://www.stilesmachinery.com/parts
Here you go. Wow followed the link on the Weeke site and it lead me to them. Sure looks like they have a solid selection of parts available.
They also have a preventative maintenance agreement available where they will look at your machine and even stock all the replacement parts for your machine. Hmmmmmm.... Who'd a thunk?
Nevermind the fact that you could have bought a slightly used machine of a different manufacturer for less than 30k as has been posted in this venue with links.
But no JD said so so we will believe him, lol.
Mike how dare you bring logic into this discussion.
This is supposed to be where we make up stories about Expo being a new upstart company that hasn't been diluting and scamming investors for years and years.
This is where we pretend that selling to Lowe's which has been PR'd about for years and years and has NEVER amounted to a profitable enterprise is supposed to magically turn a corner because JD Brown, a known criminal, says so.
let's keep it real
within 3 weeks of that PR out after SM
the co.s workhorse router went down
and contrary to what is posted ~ parts
are not available off the shelf
Yes. Let's keep it real please. Why don't we examine why everytime mgmt predicts something and then it fails there is an excuse. Over and over and over. Of course every excuse mentioned has zero basis in fact and can never be backed up by any outside evidence other than to say "mgmt said so" or because of a fictitious evil shorty.
People find replacement routers for cheap on the internet easily. People find replacement parts for cheap easily, but no we are supposed to believe that mgmt couldnt do these things because of some super secret reasons??? Do you actually read what you type?
etc. didnt get launched and it is all because some CEO of a window installation company died? Do you actually read what you type?
etc. wasn't spun off therefore causing Expo to have to dilute because of a super secret share discrepancy?
The milestone project for a company that has been continuing its renovations pretty much as scheduled is somehow postponed and it is because of the economy???? No no has nothing to do with Expo not actually having the business they said they did it is because of some other secret forces? Did you read what you typed?
Expo lost money and missed revenue projections in 2009 because of the bad economy in 2008?
I could go on for pages and pages. There is no need. The PPS proves what a scam this thing is, not to mention all of the excuses that silly scammers have been coming up with.
Wow! The exact same tactics from 2009 are being used here in 2011.
The only difference is there is a much bigger group of opposition and obviously an even lengthier history of JD being completely full of crap.
Exph does not sell product at a loss like some want to lead you to believe
This is either a lie or you havent read their financial statements.
2009 fins state...
Net sales 1,608,576
Cost of Goods Sold 1,620,440
Gross Profit (11,684)
Proof is in the puddin.
They were profitable for the year by the end of June back in 2009 also. How did that work out?
Expo backloads expenses every year to play that game. Look at 2008, look at 2009, look at 2007.
Gee what a shock. The numbers don't lie. Plants and insiders do.
the only aspect that matters >>> SBB
is what expo's mgmt uploads to
that dubious site .. pink sheets
Or they could just put them up on their site like they did in 2009 before their website mysteriously went down.
Still no reply from JD Brown on the email below. Gosh, what a shocker that he won't answer a tough question calling him out. I guess I understand though. The only answer he can say is "Sorry, I lied."
How do you excuse telling people at the very end of 2009 that you were still on track to do 6 million dollars in revenue and then do only 1.6 million?
You told this to lots of people. Some even claim you told them after the end of 2009. I only have concrete proof that you made this claim in December right before you guys shut down for the year.
Just want to hear the 4.4 million dollar excuse.
they aren't shutting their doors and DD *clearly* shows why
DD? You mean dilution and dumping? Cause anybody with half a brain knows the reason the doors are still open is from these two things.
Exactly, Expo requires 10% deposit on larger orders
Typical Expo speak. Now it is Expo requires a 10% deposit instead of typically takes a 10%. Company throws out a PR and then of course it has plants try and twist it.
Remember when JD said the company typically does 2/3 of its sales in the second half of the year? Only for it to be a proven lie because they have never done 2/3 of their sales in the second half of the year.
I am guessing that is what is meant here by typically.
Same ole same ole. The only question is which potential board members are also in on the scam.
How about that link to where the company stated this in Dec. of 2009?
Gosh I am shocked you havent posted it yet (not really because it isn't what they said in the December 2009 PR)
Pretty sure he was simply pointing out how even more ridiculous the doghouse pictures were. Might as well have posted pics from doghouses at Expo.
based on *interaction* i'll put exph's FLOAT AT 1 BILLION .. ironically my
MILLIONS of exph shares would be included in that FLOAT
The PPS is .0002, millions isn't
worthy of being capitalized here.
what i've posted is that the word
issued is used interchangeably by
the approx 10 TA's i interact with
monthly
Pretty simple. For those
companies the numbers are
identical. For Expo, they
must obviously be different.
There must be a different
amount issued than are
*outstanding*. Gee, gosh,
Would that shock anybody
with all of the games Expo
has played with their O/S?
This would certainly support
my theory that Expo has been
trading its own stock. I hope
I am wrong about that though
because honestly at this point
in time I feel bad being right
about all of the scammy things
Expo does. Almost makes you feel
bad for them.
Remember our *debates* from back
in 2009 4kids? They were fun then,
but now it is too one sided.
The company just gave me too much ammo.
What a bunch of crooks.
Like I said in DEC 09..the company said it was coming through very tough times..that from a PR
Could we see the link to where they say that in a PR please?
I don't recall them saying that at all.
Still doesn't address the issue. Are they sold at cost or below?
Who cares about quality if they are sold at a loss?
Pretty simple actually.
Does your factory sell their products at cost or below?
Expo does.
I bet you Expo will not exceed 2008 revenues in 2011.
Ahhh yes. The Expo battle cry. "Don't look at our past!! It is all about the predictions we make for the future!!"
The float was almost a billion in August 2009.
Impossible that it hasn't grown with 2.3 billion in dilution since.
Thank you for this post Nate. It sums up exactly what we have known about etc. all along.
Obviously no distributor wants anything to do with it or you wouldn't be on here raving about one silly install. You have no idea what price they paid for these cabinets.
Heaven knows Expo has enough of them laying around to liquidate at or below cost just like they do on everything else. Remember when they used to have a webcam? Yep we saw all the dead stock. Probably why they killed the cam.
Remember their financial statements? Yep. They proved right there how they run the business.
Thanks for backing it all up. That is right folks. All longs have to hold onto is a cost install at a local dentist office. lol. Perfect synopsis.
I wouldn't care if they disregard every post on here. I think all they need to do is read every PR, every Expo web update, listen to the CC, and read all of the financial statements.
Those alone prove what a scam the company is.
Without a reverse split .10 is impossible. Saying otherwise proves many things.
Thanks, for the proof.
Watching what? JD and GH blatantly con unsuspecting investors in order to line their own pockets.
JD still has not replied to my point blank question regarding the revenue numbers he lied about.
Personal information excuse? Nope, he has it.
Where is the answer JD?
Why did you tell people in December of 2009 right before a planned shutdown that you were still going to do 6 million dollars in revenue and then only do 1.6 million?
Can't use an excuse that an order got canceled, because if true the year end inventory would have been several million dollars.
Oh those pesky filings.