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Hey Co-Pilot, You think that there is enough poluted water
to proess after this terrible storm in Texas. Right in their
own backyard. The rumor is that they would send one or two
machines to the disastor areas with the machines that were
returned from the UK. I wonder what the excuse will be now
why they will not participate. Maybe they didn't have enough
money to put fuel into the truck to take them cross state. Or
he shipped them by boat for fear that the truck would get stuck and the boat overturned or he is towing them by blimp and the
blimp because of the winds was blown back to the UK by mistake.
I am sure they will have a reasonable answer. Maybe the smoke
is clearing and the windows are cracking now. To all the
hurricane players of this stock, now is the time to tell us
all where is ECCI in all of this. You can't get it better
or closer to their home base for this process to be a hurricane
play. I am just curious to what excuses will be given as to why
ECCI is idle during this time. Right in their own backyard.
By the way Co-Pilot I just called Wards office and they told me he is in conference with a takeover candidate. They told me he said to buy the Sept 10 calls on Lehman and use both
hands. You think it's true that ECCI is buying Lehman Brothers. They are doing this so they can get a good IR department going and then Mr. P. can change Biddick's job
to assistant Piss Boy. The deal is contingent on the value of
the Phillipine Pesos that Ward has been buying over the last
year. Right on Co-Pilot.
C0-Pilot you are right about the stock. I know they are also raising money as I just saw on TV the Galveston seaside and an
old man with a huge sign saying "Make A Donation For ECCI",
so we may install our SUPER DUPER MACHINE TO CLEAN THIS PLACE UP". Ward, he's a genius,killing three Birds with one stone.
Raising money, educating the people about ECCI and getting
some free PR. I bet he is going to take credit for this coup.
But let's face it, it must have been the IR or PR guy or even
Adams the insurance salesmans idea These guys are really on the ball. Now that Padnernachter is coming aboard next week,
it should be a blow out year for ECCI. Am I right Co-Pilot.
I did look it up in the annual Sludge& Grime magazine recap and
found what you are talking about. Also did you see their
Poster Girl for their annual Filth Convention coming this
October. Yes, she was sitting on the ECCI Super Duper Water Purifyer that was going to be sent to the large condo projects
in Nome Alaska to purify the Yellow Snow. I love the slogan
on the machine (I wonder where the yellow went). Gee, I didn't
realize that Ward also besides being a great Oil & Gas man was
a master marketing genius.
Yes I agree with Co-Pilot, today is today and tomorrow is the
future. I know he did his DD in the last few weeks and I also
believe we shoud start buying into this company that will be
producing Widgets by the end of the year. I know there is a rumor of a high powered name that might attach his name to ECCI
in the future. He I heard, is an expert in Grime, Sludge and Polutants. They have, I heard kept undergrond for obviious reasons and might wind demoting Adams back to VP as Jefferson did. If Co-Pilot is referring to this individual you can bet
it is going to be down and dirty.
I have to admit co-pilot that you have been right on this
piece of shit. Everybody that called you down on this thing
has been wrong becuase after all the volume after today with
the volume which is approx under$500 worth is just a sham in my
opinion. The hurricane players, the analysts or analists are
clueless when it comes to ths stock. it's really a pathetic
situation.
No, I do not think you are right about that as the price was discussed and agreed on prior to them installing the machine to run. If you go back om a PR release from last year you will see that they were suppose to receive mney and on going
money for the process. I deal in Brazil and the american dollar has fallen drasticaly in the last two years. Two years ago a dollar in brazil to a real was worh R2.40 reals and now
it worth 1.58 reals to a dollar. What do think the dollar inthe EC has gone down. it was too the foreigners benefit to
get this profit as the dollar value has shrunk, so it was not the price plusthe fact the mine needs something like this to begin with. It is not the prices that ECCI wants, they have to prove it works which they haven't to date r they would have
on going business right now. What happened to the Pilot
Plant and what is going on there since you are so well informed
about what is happening with this company. For some reason unbeknownst to me the machine does not do certain things. I do not know why? But it doesn't.
It wasn't electrical it was that the machine did not take out the contaminates to the satisfaction of the mines. It is the
same reason why the company is not getting real orders now. It obviously does not do what they said it did as this thing would revolutionze the industry. Why do you think that ESPH got 50 million in investment, becuase ECCI and other companies
who claim to have a process but can't get it right and work
as there would lines aroundthe corner for this if it did. I
hope it works as I would benefit and thought that they had a
real process that worked but now I think they do not. They may have something that works in one area but does in another
and do not have the right package in all. You understand.
This has been a costly experience which I am hoping to bail
on some news that is good. At the end of the day right now in my opion they have nothing of substance or we would have heard about it.
Kevin Willims, Managing Director of South Croty emailed
me back concenring the ECCI machines and told me Sivex intro'd the machine or machines to the mining operation and they had
trials and machine did nothing to imporve their situation and they decided to cease doing it because of the non result.It's
that simple. It wasn't becuase of electrical problems.
Flaguy is 100% right. The interest comes from new people
they collar to buy and then it fumbles right back. No support
what so ever. They are just selling into the buying they get
from new people to come into the stock. All smoke and
mirrors so far. They are bringing in a new genreration of
people who do not know what has taken place over the last few
years. One day we will al wake up and find out that the stock
is halted and that will be it. My only hope is that they make
some kind of bull shit announcement that they have landed a contract with no details of course because if we see the details i can assure it will come with all kinds of qualifications attached to it and will send the stock right
back down. This company has nothng to survive with at this point.
All well said but please tell me why the water filtration system failed with South Crofty Mines. Please tell me why they
didn't believe that a fuse blew in the machine or something
like that and after many test runs they ceased testing saying
that there was no change in the water and no reason to continue.
You think they made that decision because the machine worked
and id what it was suppose to do. Why do think the machines
are back in the U.S. now. Also what kind of revenue did ECCI
derive from this exercise in the UK. It's approcahing a year
now.
Regarding John Adams- Can you tell me what this guy did for a living three years ago and what his claim to fame is. Did he
have any experience in the Oil Patch at all. Somebody told
me he was selling insurance or somethig like that. I guess
that makes him an expert. This guy Ward runs the whole show
and he calls the shots not John Adams. Ward would never pay
any real money to any of these guys and that is why you have
what you have.
Now it's show & tell and you have amajor storm coming and
looks like it's going to hit and you have even Boone Pickens
pushing natural gas as a substitue for gasoline and have
the natural gas drillers drilling like crazy. All these things relate in some way to ECCI's future. If they cannot
secure a meaningful place in this space now, meaning a
beginning with contracts, financing and hiring some real
executives that know what they are doing then this company
will be done. It's that simple. They either have the
technology that works for the above or they don't. If they
do, they need some people in the this field to deal with their
peers not the people that work for shares of stock that you can
use for toilet paper now. it's not about a year from now
but now when all the avenues that are suppose to be perfect
for this company are there in a perfect storm.
Yes I do. I hope guys like you will keep bidding it up
so I can keep liquidating my position as time moves forward.
Keep up the good work.
You too. Keep up the good work. You tell them how it is and
they do not want to believe. I wish they were right but I know
the players and the bull shit they must be doing promoting this
piece of crap. I was one of them once but not anymore. The
next step will be the various agencies and then the civil part.
All I can say is I hope the stock moves so I can keep selling
off before it is zero.
Why explain. Let them buy. Who gives a shit. They think they
are right so let them buy. You might be talking two different things. You do not know how much dollars they are committing
and nor should you care. They think they are right and they might make money buying at these levels if they sell maybe
on a few upticks. Nobody is going to make a killing on this
dog anyway. The meat from the bone has been taken already
and if they want to nibble on the balance so be it. Meanwhile
any decent order on the sell side will take to 4.
By the way co-pilot is right on with his predictions.
Anyone who knows these guys knows what they are about.
It's never the real thing but all bullshit. Just look
at all the volume which I think is unprecedented to date and where is the price now. It's ll about them and dilution and greed and taking advantage. But how long will that last
when they all will have to account to others.
It's like what they did with us. Build your hopes, get
new suckers and sell stock and then there is no support
to hold the price or move it up on the buying end. They
obviously have some sort of news or said they have coming
out to get these buyers into the stock judging from yesterdays
action. But look at it today. Anyone who bought at 7,8,9
with 000 in front are already under water with around 9 million
traded. Just a joke. . 93 million yesterday and only 9 million with half the day gone. Just not believeable.
I have to admit that their is a sucker born every day.
I was suckered into this stock along with my friends for
a lot more in dollars then what the 93 million shares sold
for yesterday. I do not know how long you have been in this stock but if you are pre 1/1/2 years you know what the price
was and the expectations and bull shit line Ward was selling
then. These guys are not fools when it comes to money. In
my opinion this has been a grind down with money going one way.
I'm not saying the stock will not go up but the level to where it will go will not be where it was not that long ago. Now
a new generation of buyers are be touted into this stock at
these sub penny prices thinking the way we thought, that is
this company has the potential of being something meanngful.
But in all reality it is pissing in the wind because they do
not have the people in the know or the capital to attract
the proper people to take this to the next level nor have
they ever. The people they have or have had are people who
are amateurs when it comes to running a real company. Even
the CEO is set in his ways and is not going to change his
ways. He bought this patent and it if works okay but if it
doesn't which it hasn't to date he will get some milege out
of it. They will figure out a way if possible to continue
this farce hopefully announcing a contract of some type that
will have qualifications attached or something along those lines as you are well aware the natural gas drillers are
looking for a porcess to lessen the cost of refracturing
the water. If this really worked it wouldn't be hard to
place all the machines and then some to any major which they have not done becuase there is something wrong with their
process or we wouldn't be in this situation. It may work to
a certain extent but it's obvious it doesn't do all that they
say it does. You also know that a major would jump in and
build as many as they can, helping them becuase if it works
for them ( the drillers) the cost savings would warrant it.
But the bottom line is that you need a real company to execute on this and ECCI as of today is not that in any way. When
you have something good to say you want the whole world to know
and not hide it under the carpet with no news whatsoever and
vague PR's. In all the time I have been in this stock, I have
heard so many secnarios about how they landed this and that
and not one thing came true. After getting to know the players
a little as little I know about them, I can see that this is
not a group of guys that took a great idea and devleoped something menaingful and have the brains and the know how to make it happen or hired a go to guy who has the where with
all to get the financing and have contacts to show the world how they can change to the better the cost of water and
meeting 70% of what the nat gas drillers need to make this a
viable company. This is nothing more then a candy store in
reality. if you like to nibble that's your business but I
can say that from the past and present performance of this thing called ECCI is that this has been a joke on anyone
who has invested their hard earned money into ECCI.
By the way, looked at yesterday's volume of 93 million
shares and it is pathetic to see that the stock did
very little for this kind of volume. I am sure they
are selling again. This is such a farce. I make sure
I kick myself every morning for listening to someone who
got me and my friends involved in this piece of shit of a
stock or scam. No real news, people who represent the
company now and in the past who have never seen the process
work and say that the machine works but never have seen it,
a company that has no capital and is charged fees for salaries etc., which have not been verified by auditors and paid in
stock. Dilution in the last six months that is nothing more
then printing paper to sell on the market, the non-issue in
UK, South Crofty Mines GM told me via email that the machine
and test was a non event and they stopped using it as it did
not change anything in their mines. Now they are in the Oil
& Gas end of the business, have a pilot plant that nobody
knows who what and where and even if it generating any revenue
and with who, machines back from UK but no other news regarding what happened over there, no financials, had
a lame PR guy who talked in percentages with no real
hard facts, a guy in New York who is the conduit with the
market makers, who I spoke with once and who knows what he is
about. Ward, a guy who takes advantage of his age when it
comes to saying something, A IR guy who is a waste of time
as he doesn't answer messages, emails or say anything, A new
COO who we know very little about and if he has had any experience in this field whatsoever and who's claim to fame
may only be his name. This is just a joke of a company in all
honesty. As it moves up I sell a little each time but have a long way to go. I do hope it moves up and has a contract but
in the end I will sell into that event if it happens as I
see that this has been a farce of a company with there two
or three machines and patents which I think are worthless at this point. I think anybody knowing all the facts has to
have their heads examined to buy into this company. Even
if they land a contract and which I do think they will in
some way is only another way to keep selling the stock to
garnish money which they have done over the last 1 /1/2 yrs
indicated by the timing of their PR announcements, dilution
and the systematic take down of the stock over this time.
The PR guy jumped ship as his PR's regarding the UK were
incorrect regarding the how the process was working in UK,
especially with South Crofty. I am moving forward in a different direction to try to recoup whatever I can at this time but I have very little hope of recouping barring a
miracle but I will make sure to make their lives miserable
for the next few years. It's almost 11:30 on the east coast,
and trading is 4,268,000 shares traded. What a follow thru
from yesterday of 93 million. Something is wrong with this
picture, don't you think? From 60-70 million shares floated
for sale prior to march 1, 0f 2007 to g-d knows what and 1
billion available now. You tell me.
I was, got back yesterday. Give me a call when you get a chance.
They have a lot more answering to do on many things.
Do not put your hopes up too high. I wouldn't be
surprised if others bail out like Hicton. Leaving doesn't
absolve them from anything at this point. The damage was
done a while ago and my guess is that it would take a major
miracle to cure it at this time. It's the same old bull shit
from a bunch of amateurs.
They are all in hiding. IR doesn't answer because they have
nothing to say. In 6 months they will all be blaming each
other.
What about all in the dilution at the end of March when
nobody ( qualify that -the Genreal Public or shareholders)
knew of the new dilution by the company and when asked by
me as to where are all the shares were coming from at the end of March the reply from Salmon Creek was that they didn't know.
Just a small volume of about 126 million shares traded within 5 trading days at the end of March 08 on a company that
had only approx 60-70 million shares in the float and nobody I
knew was selling and we had well above 30 million shares.
That's a major question and sticking point that I have.
This also was co-ordinated if I remeber wth a positive
press release from their PR dept. Please tell me if you can
explain that.
I wouldn't count on anything from this company anymore.
Too many promises with nothing to show for it. All the high hopes for many different facets that supposedly this process
can be used for has come down to nothing. The next shoe
to fall will be that they will abandon the Pilot Project
with whomever they are doing it with it as that will show
no meaningful revenue. I can just imagine who they partnered
with on that deal. No one returns calls, major major dilution
from the end of March until now with no incoming assets to
offset the need for more issued stock. No information and
plenty of mis-information and half truths etc., What a mess.
You tell me except for the Patent which is questionable at this
point what good do you see in this company as of today.
A lot of people have invested in this company in my opinion on false hype becuase not one thing management has ever said has
come true to fruition. The thing that bugs me the most is the
secrecy and lack of information, mis-information and
subpression of information that they failed to give to their
shareholders at critical times along the way over the last
year and a half. There was a lot of pumping and stock sold
for a company this size since march of this year. Something
is wrong with this picture. Just look at a chart and see
for yourself. A classic grind down to where it is today.
Someone is going to have to pay besides the shareholders who
lost their money.
I am sure their will be a last ditch effort to show something
good or legitimize the damage that these amateurs have already
done. Yes 3 billion shares issued now. What a joke.
Have you spoken to anyone at the company and if you did
what did they say??????
I found out about the dilution about two days ago.
I tried to reach the various parties in the company
to no avail. I decided that since they have decided
not to respond to shareholders with answers in regard
to dilution, share structure, things pertinent to the
value of the company for on or about a year I have just
had enough. If you use a chart you will see that this
stock has been grinded down to almost zero over the last
year and a half, and may I say in a very orderly way.
Shareholders have been treated like shit by people who have
no investment in this company and they have drastically altered the value of this company by their actions.
I emailed the company yesterday through Mr Hicton and
Biddick explaining the situation and advising them that
I have already contacted some regulartory bodies and that
if I do not hear from them regarding this matter and other
issues I will proceed as I also want to protect my rights
as a shareholder. They have had ample time to address many
issues but have not for over one year. By the way I called
Resnakoff, Ward, Adams & Diddick yeaterday with no one answering and I have not received any replies from them
as of this writing. I am going to be out of the country
from Mid August until the end of August and I am in the
process of getting the forms and paperwork ready so this
will be done one way or another before I leave.
I have given them, the courtesy of replying but I do not
anticipate that they will and that is that.
As far as I am concerned the shareholders have been left
out in the cold and I find in light of all things that
have transpired over the last year and a half to be abusive
of shareholders rights. After all people put thier hard
earned money into this company not to see it fail but
succeed. Their cady and abusive tactics will be judged by
others in the coming months. it seems that they think that
they are above it all because they are a pink sheet stock,
but the reality is they are no different then NYSE companies
as they are public and solicit for people to invest by
virtue of the REGDEX as one means of rasing capital and
gettig additonal shareholders. You just cannot take people's
money and keep them in the dark.
I hope that this answers your question.
Thanks for the words. Keep checking back as I intend to take
some action which you may want to take part in. I do not
know your loss but many people I know including myself have
taken a bath on this stock. The final shoe hasn't fallen
yet. I know you as well as many have invested with good
intentions and I have put the company on notice asking
many questions of past deals, strucuture and other important
items which were Material changes to this company and they
have failed to answer in any way. The shareholders have a
right to know of material changes which they have failed to provide. If I do not receive a response from them by the time
limit I have told them I will start the ball roilling in many
areas, as this is not a game but very serious and my guess
is they will not respond but at least I will give them more
courtesy then they afforded the shareholders.
I would like to know who didn't take a beating on this
stock. It's funny that they announced the 3 billion shares
but not the other dilution which coincidently was timed
with a PR announcement that had the stock trade approx., 126 million shares over a five day trading period in April.
Tried to get in touch with the principals yesterday but to no
avail. Now this sets up a reverse split. No info to the shareholders, no notification, guys making decisions that
have very little financial interest in this company. This
is unacceptable. They still refuse to answer questions
regarding the past year which I am not going to repeat again.
Believe me when it moves up if it does I will be selling.
I have a lot to unload. On their next hype i will be
selling into the market.
400 Million is mangageable. Well tell me when they
were at 60-70 million before the end of March how manangeable
was that. The stock was in the crapper then. So now add
5-6 fold and you think it is manageable. What world are you
in. This has all been a hype. The company doesn't have any
cash, maybe 3 or machines and maybe 500 pales to carry water
to their new Pilot site which by the way is not even in the
action basin in Fort Worth. The team of people are part
timers, the IR dept and also the PR Dept never saw the machine
work, The IR never met the CEO, the COO in his resume never
showed me his experience in this field, the CEO just babbles
about bullshit that has never come true. The PR guy and his firm quit on 7/11 as they got cold feet or maybe realized
they were promoting widgets and is putting distance between
themselves and company as they put out press releases that
were in reality mis-information regarding the South Crofty
as to how great it was doing there but in fact was a non
event. The dilution at the end of March that was kept secret
by all involved and still today. There are many more things
I can rant about but the bottom line is that all of this
has been an exercise in bullshit by the company and their people. This company is so desireable that as of this wiritng
no shares have traded becuase it is getting too high to the
1/10 of a penny mark. Management has done a real good job, right.
Share sturcture should be approx 301 million floating
and trading.
News-Looks like they have nothing to report. IR told me a week
ago that they would be coming out with a release but wouldn't tell me when. Very bad management and sorry I am in this piece
of shit. Thought it was a real company but now know it's not.
The ask means nothing as it is always higher after the close. The volume was weak. No buyers out there until they come
forth with some info. If they do not report anything this
stock will go back to the 5-6 area again. The fact that they haven't
said anything only points out they either have nothng to say
or are trying to put together a release and put some kind of positive spin on it. People are fed up with the bull shit from these guys and who knows what the next step will be if nothing comes out soon.
It was possible before they diluted the hell out of this stock.
So far 11 trades today and 330,000 at 0.0009. Someone goofed at
opening with 125,000 at 0.0012. They are suppose to have some news but probably trying to find a PR company to announce for
them as Salmon Creek quit as of 7/11/08. G-d knows what the
next announcement will be. Too much of an uphill battle for
this company to get it straight. When you have amateurs running this thing and pay them nothing what do you expect.
Mis-information, not knowing what non reporting means when
information that is public already and they will not confirm or deny anything. Eventually this thing will wind up in the
court system.
Probably if they report it will be good news until you read
between the lines as they are always telling half truths,
as when the PR bragged in a release how well they did in
the UK at South Crofty which I know for a fact was not true
as per South Crofty. Just total bullshit for the last year
or so. No body knows what credentials any of these so called
employees have including this new COO in this foeld to begin
with. A consulant does not tell me much about anything and
I have no faith in the people and bullshit i have heard in
the last year inlcuding the stall tactics used when they did
the REGDEX and coincentally came out with PR's that hyped the
stock at the same time.
I and my friends are stuck big time but our day will come
when we get our resolve on this company. I know one thing
and that is we are not buyers and am waiting for this to play
out.
Really! Please tell me how.
Yes, your right in most intances, but there is a way, but I
do not want to get ahead of myself here. Regarding your
charting I would say your probably right in most instances but
you are way off target on this stock. The charts mean nothing here at this point and really haven't for a while because of
the trading and dilution and hyping of this thing.
I personally think we all have been had until proven otherwise.
Yes, you think you cannot sue because the company has nothing.
But believe me in todays enviornment there is a way. Because
this is a public company a whole new set of rules come into
play that expands liability to many of the players who are
in the forefront and in the background in many different
venues. Let's hope that it does not have to come to this,
but this is a possible avenue if this turns out that
company is a sham.
All it takes for this company to get on the right track, is
for the company to come forth out of their cloak of hiding
behind the non reporting status and tell the truth and
confirm what most people already know and address certain concerns and be upfront about things so everyone is on the
same page. By keeping this silence, all they are doing is
creating more discontent and mistrust. When the IR person
tells you that he is there just to listen and cannot tell
you anything about the company, even though you are sitting
there looking at a document from a member of the company
that he also has a copy of and tells you NO Comment to
confirm what has already been written, then there is something
wrong with this pictutre. If the company just want the IR
Dept to listen and not say anything, may I suggest an answering
machine instead of a human. I think there would not be a
difference.
Well it's only been 11 days from now. They are suppose to report the news when it happens. Typical of this company.
The Oil & Gas Industry is charting new waters, our country
needs more supply, the weather is starting to get shaky
regarding storms and where is ECCI. AT AN ALL TIME LOW.
Ask yourself why?- Miss Information, No information, secret
dilution, UK experience ( No Info), No real information
on the so called Pilot Program, PR resigns on July 11th and
no info on that situation and it is July 22, 2008. They
hide behind the guise of that they are not a reporting company.
They do not even know what that means when your dealing with the publics money. They have completely screwed the shareholders and you know there is another word for that when
someone intentionally takes someones money under false pretenses even in the trading of equities.
This didn't happen just in the last few days. He ( Mr.Hicton)
sent me an email on July 11th and today is July 22, 2008.
11 Days have passed and no info regarding this from the
company. I spoke to Mr. Biddick last week and he denied that
Mr. Hicton or Salmon Creek had left. He ( Mr Hicton) also indicated he had
too much work and had very little time to properly spend
on ECCI. Please tell me if you think that a company or
person that is in the know or is he, would leave a situation
that could be so big to take him and his company to another
financial level would leave when they are on the verge to
making a major break through OR knows enough to walk away
knowing that something is not right and doesn't want to be
used as a tool for that means. Ask yourself that question.
Meanwhile no news from the compay regarding anything.
Salmon Creek QUIT ECCI NOT THE REVERSE. The IR department
wouldn't confirm this and no anouncement from the company
regarding anything. I think the silenece speaks for itself.
Do they have a PR dept left. As far as I know, on July 11th,
I received an email from Salom Creek stating they were uninvolving themselves with ECCI in any form. Check it out
and call them to see if that was another one of there misinformations. No announcement from the company but I have
the email from them.
Tom,
Thanks for the info and I agree with you regarding the charts,
from what little I know about charting. I take it that is your
expertise. Just looked at the trading and I see $10.00 worth
of stock has taken this down to 0.0007. What a joke. I
agree to stay away from this stock for many reasons of which
you mentioned. I will tell you that I do not like what I hear
and on Friday July 11, 2008, I had spoke to Mr. Hicton from
Salmon Creek PR and he then told me to submit an email of detailed questions and concerns which I did. After I
emailed the questions to him to forward to the rest of the
company he sent me an email that Salmon Creek Public Relations
was going to UN-INVLOVE itself with ECCI in any form. He
emailed me that no single issue or issues with the investor community brought himself to make this decision but contractual
obligations with other companies are taking up much of their
time. So now you have this NEW NEWS. I called Biddick and he would not confirm or deny any of this. So now you and
the rest of the board knows that SALMON CREEK PR is out
according to the email sent to me by Loran Hicton on july 11, 2008. Can you believe that nothing has been written or said
about this and this is a week already. I emailed this to a few
friends just to make sure I didn't erase it. But you tell
me, if this company ECCI was so good why would they just bail
when they are close to doing something worth while. It
doesn't make sense to me and for one do not buy into the other
contractual obligations part of email.