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After the last RS I need 300+% more to get even, lol. Randy what happened to this one, I remember Wilf telling me on the phone that they were heading down there and that this would place DPBM on the map?? guess it fell through?
"KEY WEST, Fla. -- Deep Blue Marine Inc. (Pink Sheets: DPBM) is pleased to announce that Wilf Blum and Ed Krajewski located 2 separate piles of cannons on a wreck site that research shows may be a privateer in the South Caribbean. Mr. Krajewski was the first to find the artifacts that appear to be in very good condition. The cannon are located in 3 separate piles and appear to all be iron and vary in size from small 5 foot guns to large 10 foot guns. The company has plans to apply for a permit in the country, which will remain unnamed until such time as a permit is issued."
Dusty I know who posted on them first, and of course I believe they knew nothing of it. I have no facts so I will leave it where it is. I will say it sure was suspicious and then the next week or so Wilf takes a vacation, come on man, if that was really true NOBODY would leave that site, NOBODY and there would be more huh, no they were just to sell stock and print false article’s in the press. I bet there will soon be more of those types of activities, and just to sell stock to fund the company. When I bought in Wilf told me on the phone and on the CC’s that DPBM had enough salvage work to last a few years. That was one that really got me, and the way a company should run, not by suckering in folks with “forward looking” statements that are false. I was proud of DPBM when they had the Hoover project and thought they had their head screwed on right, then things really went down hill as Wilf realized the money was in the stock NOT the treasure, or lack of it on the Le Scipion. Ed told everybody on this board that the Scipion was nothing and had nothing on it, and that the manifest showed nothing on it. Randy and Wilf twisted it to be that the Scipion was running with a secret cargo from a secret stop and that it had a HUGE French payroll. All this Fairy tale BS to sell stock. And now they have to borrow artifacts to fill the museum, huh, after two years they have to borrow artifacts, so again which story is it Wilf, what do we believe? So I believe nothing from these jokers.
Still holding that bag as a reminder to keep the new feller informed. I did sell some when I heard the "raining of coins" was salted. I did not want to believe it, but sure looks like it was a true rumor and I salvaged some to learn how to trade. NEVER play the story, only plat the stock and chart. Guess I kind of owe Wilf a thanks for the lesson of what NOT to do, since that time I am up a very nice %, yeah I still make some mistakes but not because someone lied to me, it is because the chart did not do exactly what I thought, but the only loss is a commish loss as the stock fell through support. But have made some really nice money and have really learned to trade with TA, otherwise I would still be tossing money out at every PR, only to have Wilf dilute the stock like crazy and then post on the blog that he was not selling stock, then a couple Months later Wilf would post that he had to sell stock to keep the company going, then he states it is all out of his pocket, I just do not know which story to believe.
Hey Ed, have not heard or seen you around here in a while. I do not expect any type of answers, just insults, excuses and false statements. Funny how I post the PR’s and get slammed for it. Just making my point that there is no follow through, there is no integrity. DeepSee, you nailed it dead on. In Randy’s post it sure reads to me like the message board is for selling stock. I honestly do not care who and how much they buy, just as long as the know what they are buying and what the company has done in the past. If somebody would have been posting as I am, I would not have bought that is for sure, I trusted Wilf and the Company. I know I know, shame on me. I remember the day you came in Deepsee, me n you went round and round, and I figured you for a hired gun so to speak, lol. We battled for a while, but you were a true man and emailed me that I was right all along, hated to say I told ya so, but I had to. You, like me, stood up and took what you/me had coming. Randy instead of insults why not post what has been followed through with? Come on there has to be something that was a benefit to shareholders? I really know nothing of deep blue, just all the false PR’s and the dream team that all quit cept maybe 1. The over inflated find on the Scipion really burnt me up, as I lost all respect for you, Wilf and the whole circus act there. The claim that you/DPBM found over 1.9 million dollars worth of treasure in one week was the last straw for me.
and so very true.
What about the conference call or PR where Wilf stated that there would be gold on the deck before his birthday? I believe the CC or PR was in Sept and Wilfs b day was/is in Oct, I guess that was another forward looking statement as Wilf did not say what birthday year, a slight of the tongue. Investors can buy as much DPBM as they want, they just need to know what has happened in the past so they can have both sides to the story, I did not write false and miss leading PR’s Wilf did. I did not promise on CC’s and on the PHONE that there would not be a RS, then there was one, that wiped a lot of folks right out of the water. The stock must not be selling too good huh? Folks are getting wise to the lies. This board is for both sides to present their case NOT to just sell stock for the company so you can have a paycheck. Again if I am incorrect in ANY post, please do post facts or send them to my email, you still have that along with my phone number, or was that hacked into and wiped out too. If you send me proof I will post that I was incorrect and not show what you send me, just that you did and that I was wrong. Bok bok egg is in your basket now.
If I have posted false information please do correct me with some facts, that is all I ask for, NOT YOUR WORD as it holds less water than the Le Scipion. Where is the 1.9 Plus million dollars? Wilfs pocket? Your pocket? where?
Sorry Randy I was on the road for the weekend. I have talked with Wilf before and from those conversations would not believe what he said now for sure. why not put it in writing here? He seems to be able to post other false information in print. Was the gold purcahsed from the PR? Was there a French payroll on the Le Scipion worth 50.00, or 50,000.00 or 50,000,000.00. Did DPBM pull more than 1.9 Million from the Le Scipion as the paper reported. Where is the Semi truck and how is it being used? What happened to the Ballast pile video that was on the Deep Blue website where Wilf stated that once you find the ballast pile you have found the treasuer? I do not care who buys what and how many here, but they do need to know of Wilfs past track record. Post false "forward looking" PR's to sell stock, promise no RS and then hit us with one, come on man get some integrity.
Hey, was the semi truck and trailer listed? whatever happened to that? Misappropriated? I bet it would be fun for an IRS investigator to dig through this mess. Maybe the four followers would squeal a little than huh. Lol as their boss and friend go’s to the joint, ouuuuuch, then Wilf could write a book, guess that is what you do there if yer a schister.
ah yes the seemingly salted coin site, no more to be found, just enough for Wilf to sell millions of shares to fund his vacation to Israel. How could one really leave a site that was so rich with coins and a 300,000,000.00 French Payroll, just out of reach of the diver’s hands, that did seem odd. I betcha Mr Mel F never took a vaca right in the middle of a great find, lol, only our beloved Wilf. Stock leaped 315% as the day traders hit it, next few days it was back to ground zero. I remember congratulating Wilf on the Conference Call, boy do I feel dumb, lol, probably looked it too huh, Ok that is your fellers clue to jump on me, lol. Now several years later and nothing more to be found cept false and miss leading PR’s. Guess each to their own huh.
How about this one, any more "forward looking statements" here?Funny they all get one PR and they are gone and very rearly come to fruition. That is Wilf at his best. lies and deception.
"Deep Blue Marine, Inc. Teams Up With Cross International Research and Recovery
SALT LAKE CITY, UT -- (Marketwire) -- 11/25/09 --
Deep Blue Marine, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: DPBE) and Cross International Search and Recovery of American Fork, Utah have once again joined forces for a specific contract. The two Utah companies have worked well together in the past on several projects and have combined forces to provide a series of services for a recovery project in the Middle East. The project involves recovery of thirty-eight ships of various sizes that have been sunk, stranded or abandoned in various waterways.
Wilf Blum, President and CEO of Deep Blue Marine, had this to say, "I have known Jim Cross for several years and have worked with him on several different occasions. I have never met a more knowledgeable or creative person in the field of underwater recovery than Mr. Cross. When this request for services came to our company the very first thing I did was call Jim. With the help of Mr. Cross I believe we will be able to go forward in a timely and professional manner. Jim and I know each other's strengths and weaknesses and we have completed four projects together. I personally feel that this project will be of great value to both companies and Mr. Cross's help will be the thing that makes the project doable. We will both retain our separate positions in our own companies and both companies will retain their individual identities."
For more information on Deep Blue Marine, Inc. (DPBE) go to www.alldeepblue.com
For information on Cross International go to www.crossmpc.com
"Safe Harbor" Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995
Statements in this press release relating to plans, strategies, economic performance and trends, projections of results of specific activities or investments, and other statements that are not descriptions of historical facts may be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
Forward-looking information is inherently subject to risks and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially from those currently anticipated due to a number of factors, which include, but are not limited to, risk factors inherent in doing business. Forward-looking statements may be identified by terms such as "may," "will," "should," "could," "expects," "plans," "intends," "anticipates," "believes," "estimates," "predicts," "forecasts," "potential," or "continue," or similar terms or the negative of these terms. Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results, levels of activity, performance or achievements. The company has no obligation to update these forward-looking statements.
Contact: Deep Blue Marine, Inc.
801-201-4691"
As others have asked what happened to this? More false statements from Wilf N Followers. Man does it ever end, lol. I know I know in two weeks I will be soo happy with my investment here, blah blah blah. I guess in two weeks Wilf will turn the helm over to someone with integrity huh, yeah that would make me happy. I I know this is one of them thar "forward looking statements" so with that blurb Wilf can post false statements.
"Deep Blue Marine Inc. Enters Agreement to Purchase Aprroximately 110 Troy Ozs of Gold for Its Treasury
SALT LAKE CITY, UT -- (Marketwire) -- 10/28/08 --
Deep Blue Marine Inc. (PINKSHEETS: DPBE) announced today that the company has entered into a contract to purchase 110 troy ounces of gold from the wreck of the SS Central America which sank off the east coast of the United States of America. The gold ingot was originally recovered by Odyssey Marine Inc. (OMR) and is registered as ingot number 946 in the Kellog Humbert index. The bar weighs approx 9.25 pounds.
Wilf Blum, President and CEO, had this to say, "We are always looking for ways to secure the shareholders of our company, and it is our plan to hold numismatic metals such as gold and silver with verifiable histories in the treasury of Deep Blue Marine Inc. Although it is hard to put a price on this bar, a similar one sold for several million dollars. It has always been the intention of Deep Blue to hold as much gold, silver and platinum as possible in our safe deposit boxes as a hedge against our stock. The company plans to sell artifacts from the wreck sites it works, but not the numismatic gold and silver that we recover. In some cases such as this we are able to purchase the ore at very favorable prices.
For more information on Deep Blue Marine Inc. (PINKSHEETS: DPBE) go to www.alldeepblue.com or www.goldenboards.com
"Safe Harbor" Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995
Statements in this press release relating to plans, strategies, economic performance and trends, projections of results of specific activities or investments, and other statements that are not descriptions of historical facts may be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
Forward-looking information is inherently subject to risks and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially from those currently anticipated due to a number of factors, which include, but are not limited to, risk factors inherent in doing business. Forward-looking statements may be identified by terms such as "may," "will," "should," "could," "expects," "plans," "intends," "anticipates," "believes," "estimates," "predicts," "forecasts," "potential," or "continue," or similar terms or the negative of these terms. Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results, levels of activity, performance or achievements. The company has no obligation to update these forward-looking statements.
Contact: Deep Blue Marine, Inc.
801-201-4691"
Like another increase to the AS of 5 BILLION
The teasure is in the stock, oh wait that is only for Wilf, what was I thinking, duhhhhhh.
Very true and would be one of the very few things Wilf followed through with. Too bad it is abroad and difficult at best for the USA State bound folks to see it as it would be nice to see some of Billy's hard efforts.
Hey if anyone can post facts that the statements I have posted are false please do share that with the board and I will post facts against that or stand corrected Wilfs ethics will get him in the end. I smell a RS or an increase in the AS, hang on here it comes, oh wait Wilf said all along and just before the last RS, that he “would not RS DPBM”.
Sounds like more scams and lies about to unfold from Deep Blue, if “you/anyone” believe anything Wilf says or prints, “you/anyone” are either Family or work for the manipulator. Wilf is here to sell stock, bottom line and that is quite obvious from his track record huh. How can he have printed in a news paper that they have “pulled more than 1.9 million” out of the water if they have not? It was to sell stock so he could afford to take his vacation. Just because Wilf prints it does NOT MAKE IT RIGHT or true, you and all here will see that again and again, I am betting on it. Mark this post if it is not deleted.
No longer married, she left me cuz I lost so much money on DPBM, so do feel free to send, lol. I do understand your cloaking, as I would be kind of scared to show my face with Wilf too. Yes I know and my bad for believing in Wilf I do understand what you are saying and where the blame is, I really did not think he would lie just to sell stock. Again my bad, just want to make sure all here know what kind of Man Wilf really is, as I do not want others to fall for his false PR's and false statements to the Press.
Yes that is my recollection of the coins, that being said, why aren’t there anymore, and what happened to the ever so secret captains quarters where the Huge payroll was? DPBE’s success will never happen with Wilf and the helm, his greed and untruths will destroy what is left of the Co. He is a scoundrel at best. He claims the Co. owes him lots of money and he will surely be paid before any benefit to shareholders is achieved. The Scipion was a bust, NO? If not, why? I have never seen a document stating any type of split of the finds. There will be another RS and or an increase in the AS and we will lose even more. No, there will not be any recovering of losses for shareholders. Maybe if Billy was the CEO and Randy and Wilf watched and learned about integrity from the sidelines. Amazing you are not tired of all the un truths and miss direction Wilf has stated. I guess your benefit is to dive where others cannot.
I guess this Wilf statement supports my last post, the P and L statement will reflect this influx in funds. Randy can we see this info?, umm not the spending part we know all about that, but how about the 1.9 PLUS million you pulled out of the water? Any proof to this statement? or just another one of Wilfs Honest statements?
"We've spent $1.9 million in the last two years ... but we've pulled more than that out of the water in the last week," Blum said.
Blum says the contract calls for a 50-50 split with the foreign government. He says he's happy about the stock price shooting up.
From a good source the coins raining was salted, and because they have not found any more, I tend to believe it. Oh the stories Wilf tells to sell stock. I bet there is not a mirror in their house. LOL. Oh but wait, "in the next two weeks" lol,
Thanks but no thanks, it would turn my stomach to even touch it, lol. The company sure is quiet bout those dealings huh, poor management at it’s best for sure. Write them off as business and keep them for yourself, wonder how the IRS looks at that, or the State Tax board.
Do you mean like this one? See the Bold print. Maybe Wilf is going to sue the reporter for writing that article. LOL on the floor.
Midvale Company Claims to have Found Sunken Treasure
October 7th, 2007 @ 9:29pm
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1934169
John Hollenhorst Reporting
A Midvale company claims to have found what most people only dream about: sunken treasure at the bottom of the ocean!
It's boasting only modest success so far: a few hundred old coins. But it claims the sunken ship could cough up far more riches from the 1700s.
Hidden treasure is a realm in which potential investors should be very wary. Hoaxes abound, and even honest discoveries often turn out to be far less valuable than hoped.
Nevertheless, a Utah company's stock shot through the roof last Thursday when it quietly announced its discovery.
The company based in Midvale went public a couple of years ago, sweetening up investors with a celebrity pitchman.
A promotional video for Deep Blue Marine, Inc., says, "Hi', I'm Jim Brolin. You know I've had a lot of great adventures in my life. But the treasure hunters I'm about to introduce you to are going on an adventure we all wish we were part of."
The Utah diving and salvage experts from Deep Blue Marine originally went diving along the southeast coast of the U.S. They said they were looking for a Spanish treasure ship that went down in 1750.
Wilf Blum, C.E.O. of Deep Blue Marine, said, "We never found that one. But we never gave up. We kept looking and looking and looking."
Blum says they later got approval from a foreign country to salvage a known, documented historic ship. It's not a treasure ship but it's a big, old one, in a location they're under contract not to identify.
It's "somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean," Blum says.
They say they're not allowed yet to release pictures. But the ship has been buried in sand under about 25 feet of water since the 1700s.
"Last week we started pulling up coins off of that boat, and we pulled up a lot of artifacts. It's been very lucrative. The contract we have with the government of that country doesn't allow us to publicize the country or the name of the wreck at this point in time," Blum said.
He says the ship and its location have been well documented for many years, but until now no one had the right to salvage it.
"I absolutely know the name of the ship. I know the date it sank. I know what's on it. And we've just barely scratched the surface," he said.
Last Thursday, the company stock shot up 315 percent, more than tripling in value.
"We've spent $1.9 million in the last two years ... but we've pulled more than that out of the water in the last week," Blum said.
All along it was a lie not just in the end, you are correct.
He learned he could scam folks and sell stock, now they eat out and NOT micky d's, lol.
Yes you have, my first purchase was at .16, it then rose to .24 and I was to ding dang dumb to sell and take a profit, as I listend to Wilfs BS and lies. cost me over 10g, Thank goodness I was told the site had been "salted" and to sell, I did not want to believe them, buttttt, I did sell wayyyyyy to late, and I did not sell it all, just incase, lol, but so far just false statements and BS PR's so Wilf could sell stock to enhance his life. Live and learn, you sure are up beat for being down so much money. One of the few that is for sure. So you are thinking you will make a profit? You will need the PPS close to a 1.00 too it sounds, did not do the math just an approx. did you ever post back then or on the DPBM web site? I use to be called a cheer leader, because I believed in the Blues Crews. Oh well met some really good posters there.
Were you in before this false statement was made? if you do not mind me asking.
Midvale Company Claims to have Found Sunken Treasure
October 7th, 2007 @ 9:29pm
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1934169
John Hollenhorst Reporting
A Midvale company claims to have found what most people only dream about: sunken treasure at the bottom of the ocean!
It's boasting only modest success so far: a few hundred old coins. But it claims the sunken ship could cough up far more riches from the 1700s.
Hidden treasure is a realm in which potential investors should be very wary. Hoaxes abound, and even honest discoveries often turn out to be far less valuable than hoped.
Nevertheless, a Utah company's stock shot through the roof last Thursday when it quietly announced its discovery.
The company based in Midvale went public a couple of years ago, sweetening up investors with a celebrity pitchman.
A promotional video for Deep Blue Marine, Inc., says, "Hi', I'm Jim Brolin. You know I've had a lot of great adventures in my life. But the treasure hunters I'm about to introduce you to are going on an adventure we all wish we were part of."
The Utah diving and salvage experts from Deep Blue Marine originally went diving along the southeast coast of the U.S. They said they were looking for a Spanish treasure ship that went down in 1750.
Wilf Blum, C.E.O. of Deep Blue Marine, said, "We never found that one. But we never gave up. We kept looking and looking and looking."
Blum says they later got approval from a foreign country to salvage a known, documented historic ship. It's not a treasure ship but it's a big, old one, in a location they're under contract not to identify.
It's "somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean," Blum says.
They say they're not allowed yet to release pictures. But the ship has been buried in sand under about 25 feet of water since the 1700s.
"Last week we started pulling up coins off of that boat, and we pulled up a lot of artifacts. It's been very lucrative. The contract we have with the government of that country doesn't allow us to publicize the country or the name of the wreck at this point in time," Blum said.
He says the ship and its location have been well documented for many years, but until now no one had the right to salvage it.
"I absolutely know the name of the ship. I know the date it sank. I know what's on it. And we've just barely scratched the surface," he said.
Last Thursday, the company stock shot up 315 percent, more than tripling in value.
"We've spent $1.9 million in the last two years ... but we've pulled more than that out of the water in the last week," Blum said.
Please do sell then if you are sure the PPS will go up, lol. I need about .58 a share, lol I know, never happen without a RS, bet that is coming. Wilf will mess that up if they really do find anything, really not much hope here.
I do not know he is leaving Gulf. I do not believe I stated he was, that was Trueblue. If I did I will stand corrected and say I simply do not know what the man has up his sleeve, sides his arm, lol. I know of offers, nothing more, nothing less. I did state that I sure as heck would not blame him for leaving, NOT that he was, that is his choice.
Well .004 would be a "much higher level" and still not worth anything. PUMP PUMP PUMP, all for not. Think these guys would learn huh? We aint falling for Wilfs BS, simply not happening.
More bla bla bla, been down that road before. "in just a couple weeks" lol. come on, get a clue, those meetings were a joke and you know it cuz you were there, lol. You all just keep on blowin smoke and WE ALL know it. You are going to have to show me, I do not believe anything from this Co. The only person who has not lied to me is, well you already know. The rest of you, get a life, quit scamming good people. Try to make an honest living.
I'm afraid neither do you, lol. Would you like to chat on the phone? I have some very incredible photos. by the way what was your fave un-truth? You must have one.
Probably because Wilf's boat is broken, or so Billy can foot the bill. Billy boy, watch yer back, maybe that is in the offer to work for someone else or go private, yeah, I will back ya Billy, how much ya need? Anybody with me? Lets set Billy up.
That is one prediction that you have nailed on the head everytime, and that is when the company will be diluting like crazy. You have called it right on the money, as I have gone back and checked, and yep everytime you said "volume will be coming" whamo massssssssssss dilution in the millions and sometimes billions. You are connected my man, you are connected.
Crew, life is all about dreams, and I know you know where I am coming from. I do not believe we will ever see any list or anything of any value, Wilf would take it and say that DPBE owed it to him, there is no way to win for any shareholder that believed any of Wilfs lies. Only flippers can make money on this one, good lesson, NEVER play the story, play the chart and the stock. I could have flipped this one a few times as well, but will never buy another share here just because of Wilf, I will not support a liar in any fashion, as I can make money elsewhere easily. Lying is what Wilf does for a living, manipulating people and lying, man what a life huh. LOL
I think maybe I will run a dpbe contest, let’s see who can post the best Wilf un truth. I know you all have your own fave, come on and share it with us, I posted mine. Winner winner gets a chicken dinner, ooops that was Wilfs saying, lol. We will let the posters vote and I will buy the winner dinner. Mark this post and call me out.
I mean look at how easy lying is to Wilf.
Midvale Company Claims to have Found Sunken Treasure
October 7th, 2007 @ 9:29pm
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1934169
John Hollenhorst Reporting
A Midvale company claims to have found what most people only dream about: sunken treasure at the bottom of the ocean!
It's boasting only modest success so far: a few hundred old coins. But it claims the sunken ship could cough up far more riches from the 1700s.
Hidden treasure is a realm in which potential investors should be very wary. Hoaxes abound, and even honest discoveries often turn out to be far less valuable than hoped.
Nevertheless, a Utah company's stock shot through the roof last Thursday when it quietly announced its discovery.
The company based in Midvale went public a couple of years ago, sweetening up investors with a celebrity pitchman.
A promotional video for Deep Blue Marine, Inc., says, "Hi', I'm Jim Brolin. You know I've had a lot of great adventures in my life. But the treasure hunters I'm about to introduce you to are going on an adventure we all wish we were part of."
The Utah diving and salvage experts from Deep Blue Marine originally went diving along the southeast coast of the U.S. They said they were looking for a Spanish treasure ship that went down in 1750.
Wilf Blum, C.E.O. of Deep Blue Marine, said, "We never found that one. But we never gave up. We kept looking and looking and looking."
Blum says they later got approval from a foreign country to salvage a known, documented historic ship. It's not a treasure ship but it's a big, old one, in a location they're under contract not to identify.
It's "somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean," Blum says.
They say they're not allowed yet to release pictures. But the ship has been buried in sand under about 25 feet of water since the 1700s.
"Last week we started pulling up coins off of that boat, and we pulled up a lot of artifacts. It's been very lucrative. The contract we have with the government of that country doesn't allow us to publicize the country or the name of the wreck at this point in time," Blum said.
He says the ship and its location have been well documented for many years, but until now no one had the right to salvage it.
"I absolutely know the name of the ship. I know the date it sank. I know what's on it. And we've just barely scratched the surface," he said.
Last Thursday, the company stock shot up 315 percent, more than tripling in value.
"We've spent $1.9 million in the last two years ... but we've pulled more than that out of the water in the last week," Blum said.
Blum says the contract calls for a 50-50 split with the foreign government. He says he's happy about the stock price shooting up. But even Blum says you should never invest money you can't afford to lose.
All that has been found is new sucker investors to lie to and take money from with broken promises and total false or worthless PR's
I did not mean to Rock the boat, but I can’t blame Billy for looking at other offers, who would want to work for such a scum bag as Wilf, low life lying feller. The whole crew has turned hands several times, because they do not like how Wilf treated them and they do not want to be a part of his scam. My belief is that Billy is a stand up kind of a guy who has a dream, and Wilf exploits that. In all reality we have nothing, even with Billy and that is all because of Wilf. You have been around here long enough to see that, I would hate to be Wilf and have to look in that proverbial mirror, man that has got to suck. I have made mistakes in my life no doubt, but let me tell you, I like the man in the glass. I hope for the best for Billy, and for Wilf, well, he will get his all in His time.