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LMAO...to funny. You read some of the most ridiculous things here. What a joke!
First off, 2 of the mods were at both investors meetings in New York and met Steve (EDS) in person as well as Aquagold reps. I am sure they will tell you that once you get to know Steve he is an upstanding person and our current dilemna is completly Aquagold's fault and not EDS. Since Aquagold chose to cut us off from information (and EDS for whatever reason) EDS became the only person we could contact and subsequently became the fall guy to you and many others.
As for Markss40 you couldn't be further from the truth...lol. I got Marks into this stock 7 or 8 years ago between .15 and .25 when we both thought new owners were going to resurrect ONMC and return it to its old glory. We were wrong and got stuck holding that turd for years until Aquagold came along.
Just because they don't share your belief that EDS is the reason for our predicament doesn't make them EDS employees or pumpers, or anything else. They just happen to be in the minority here and still believe Aquagold is real and hope they will eventually get this company launched.
And by the way, EDS has made some decent picks so the mods are probably making money right now while they wait for things to change here.
IMHO BWTFDIK!
I won't argue with that. Also would explain his cluelessness about running a publicly traded company.
LOL, are you kidding me. Aquagold is their only customer. They would have no suppliers. Aquagold provides the bottles, the labels, the shipping. All they have to do is put their water into the bottles. Don't need phones for that.
Why does a business need a point of contact if their sole business is to fill water orders for Aquagold for the next 5 years.
The production guys could give a rats ass that investors want to call the company. Their job is to fill water bottles day in/day out for Aquagold. Its called cost controls and would be what prudent companies would do. Who needs phones if your have a contract with a company to do all your sales.
Its just good business.
Daniel was asked if Iriquois went out of business and he said no.
You will say he lied to which I would say why would he need to lie. Why not just say they had another bottler. Nope, I think they are still in business.
Prove it! It is possible, with Aquagold having a contract for all of their production for 5 years that they eliminated all office personel (and phones) since there was no need for them. It's no secret Iriquois was struggling.
Just because there phones are disconnected doesn't mean they are closed.
So prove it!
You can't. Pretty sad when you still lerk here and attack someones opinion when stock is trading so low. Speaks volumes about your character. (or lack of!)
So June 12th update stated,
"Earlier this week we received the final certification from China commodity inspections bureau which allows us to import AQUAGOLD Canadian spring water in its completely redesigned packaging. As mentioned at the recent investors meeting held last April in New York City, our new packaging is the result of a concerted effort between both North American and Chinese design agencies. The long process of design essentially reinvented every single aspect of the package: bottle, label, box and an industry innovation in cap design. We have spent the last weeks harmonizing these new elements with our production division.
This means they actually got this final approval on June 8th or 9th. I am sure they didn't start full production for initial order until this happened. It would seem a safe assumption that initial order is now filled and should currently be enroute to China. If it shipped the last week of June then product should be on shelf end of July, early August at the latest.
Aquagold may have mislead us many times over but one reoccuring theme with them has been the Olympics. It is my belief they would have done everything possible to have product in country by 8/8/8 for the Olympics. If true, news should start to flow at the end of this month and August will be huge.
IMHO BWTFDIK!
I still contend they are lying about Chinese putting a gag order on them. If this were true we wouldn't have gotten the 6/12 shareholder update. A gag order would have kept them from even putting that out.
More telling to me is the fact that the update came out on an obscure wire service. This tells me they are strapped for cash and can't afford news on market wire. Or possibly money is so tight they don't want to spend on press right now so they concocted this bogus Chinese gag order. My guess is Daniel caved on the pressure from investors and put that update out hoping to appease us and stop the sell off.
I now believe they made the decision internally to stop spending money on updates and to focus on getting product on shelves in China to get the first payment from Woolong. The initial order to get products on all shelves will be huge and payment would instantly put them in the black and give them considerable breathing room.
Until this first payment, I believe they decided to leave us floating in the wind thinking share price will climb back significantly once they have positive cash flow to report to us. My hope is they will finally open the flood gates on news after receiving this first payment and deliver on all of their promises of transparency.
This theory is the only thing that seems plausible to me. I am not ready to concede that we have been snookered. Lied to and misled but not snookered. I still believe this will right itself and fly.
IMHO BWTFDIK!
Was wondering the same thing.....
My guess is Steve got tired of company hanging him out to dry. He wouldn't have told people (as a few claimed) that update would be out Friday if Daniel didn't suggest this to him.
Time and time again they missed deadlines, put out misinformation and leave Steve as the only outlet for disgruntled investors. Lord knows Daniel doesn't respond to most investors and when he does it just reaffirms his lack of concern for us investors. (Oh yeah, according to him we invested in ONMC not AQUI irregardless of what my TDA account says)
So I bet Steve got tired of it and since he wasn't compensated said screw it and pulled down all AQUI stuff on his site. Can't say I would blame him.
Not bashing just posting opinion on EDS no longer showing AQUI. Daniel may be arrogant and not give a rats arse about us but eventually he will get this company launched.
Thanks Doog!.. Hopefully water is enroute to China as we speak and he is waiting for it to arrive before opening up the news for us.
I agree doog!
I understand that..BUT.. as shareholders we do "own" a percent of the company. Granted it is a very small percent with their 500M control block. This recent email indicates Paul thinks we should direct our anger at Jesse. Jesse is long gone.
This just proves to me they just don't get it! Forget the fund raising side of dilution. They didn't R/M into ONMC to raise funds by issuing shares. They bought ONMC so that they could be a publically traded company and gain additional value for their business through the shares they would each own and its subsequent increase in price once everything falls into place. This is the same reason we own shares. We didn't buy ONMC because we liked Jesse. We bought because we believed in Aquagold and wanted to be a part of their plan (and of course to make money). Besides, most of us thought they bought ONMC because it was a requirement from the Chinese government for them to do business with Aquagold.
And it was them, not ONMC putting out news of $500M in contracts. It was Manuel and Paul doing interviews claiming they would exceed the original $500M in contracts, not ONMC. Everythng they did and said created excitement in AQUI not ONMC and caused people to buy shares (which is investing in a company whether they benefited or not). And it was their mistakes, their missed deadlines, and their negligence that has caused this mess.
I am sorry but I find it dispicable that they want us to blame ONMC for all of this.
There is a small bright side here. This shows they are reading emails and you can bet I will be shooting one off to each of them. If anybody else plans to do this, I suggest you keep it civil and not make threats. I do believe we have a real company. I just think they are clueless about running a public company.
IMHO BWTFDIK!
It means they have no f'ing clue how to run a publically traded company. Hopefully they are running the business part of "our" company better!
"You have not invested any money in our company. you have invested in ONMC " LMAO!
This just shows how little they understand the responsibilities of being a public trading company and the relationship with investors. No wonder the share price is floundering, these idiots are clueless about how to deal with shareholders and their fudiciary responsibility to us.
We bought shares in ONMC and they became shares of AQUI as soon as R/M was completed. This makes us small owners of Aquagold. Just because we haven't "given" our money directly to them doesn't change this. They know this or they wouldn't have a 500M "control block" of shares to insure they "control" the company and its decisions.
So our resentment (anger) is actually directed to the right people!
LOL, ya think
Not holding my breath for that
Wings, we need a truck full of rocket fuel and some c-4..lol
Come on Danny boy, light the freaking fuse!
LOL, if there even is a 3rd well. Not sure anymore.
All good points and things that need to be communicated to shareholders.
I remember USXP and fortunately stayed away. Did get caught in bigger scams before that one, PABN and probably the first OTC scam MTEI (still own shares of that pig...lol)
Man do I feel old now, thanks alot....lol!
Next time you are driving down the highway at 80mph, roll down your window and throw some money out. You'll get about the same return as OINCO!
Just don't get Dr Dump. Such good potential wasted here.
Thats right, besides, I was remarking that it was BS that company was keeping us in the dark because of a few idiots threatening them. The post isn't BS....lmao
What is sad is that they dump over 200M shares and can't afford to fix the third well and get it going again.
And he said they would have 3 wells producing last quarter and two more this quarter. That gives him one month to fix number three and get two more on line......
Not going to hold my breath.
"the people that are responsible for threating emails to the company and there personal has to stop this is a big reason he is tight lipped.."
This part is BS and Daniel needs to grow up a bit and understand his responsibilities as a CEO of a publicly traded company. Granted it is pitiful some people feel they have to make threats towards the company (and EDS) but this is a small percentage of the shareholders. The rest of us shouldn't be held hostage with this withholding of information from the company. They chose to R/M into a pinky and ignorant investors is just part of the territory here. Plus the company is the real culprit for shareholder concerns from continually missing their stated deadlines, filling out forms wrong, and putting out misleading information. I know this is part of the growing pains but they should have acknowledged their mistakes and tried to rebuild shareholder confidence not withhold information.
As a publically trading company, they have a fiduciary responsibility to keep their shareholders informed. As a pinky it is even more important.
Come on Daniel, stop blaming a few bad apples and punishing the rest of us. Be a man and own up to your mistakes and make a big effort to rectify shareholder concerns. Open the flood gate on news NOW and build things up for the releasing of the certified contract and letter of guarantee from the bank. PR the LOI's you have. PR the airline negotiations. PR the new bottle. PR the first order when you load the trucks. PR the launching from the Grand Hall.
And most importantly, get over the anger from the few idiots threatening you and remember those of us who have been here from the beginning holding every share and adding when we can. Your loyal supporters deserve better than this!
Here is the part I like.....
" 2 weeks before anything comes back on certification"
Wish I had a nickel for everytime they said that! (grin)
Thanks for sharing this aquapower.
Anybody talk to Van lately and get his take on all this? Am curious if he has talked to Brian recently.
The relationship with Iriquois is easily confirmed lending credability to some extent. The 8-k would lend huge credability to company and future press releases
So where is it?
LOL...me to my friend!
I agree except I seriously doubt they are telling Aquagold when to release news. If so, then how do you explain all the previous releases that weren't exactly straightforward.
So I do agree for the most part they control everything Aquagold does, never doubted it. This was evident early on when Aquagold was under a blackout until R/M was done. But I don't believe for a minute they tell Aquagold when to release news.
If I saw the glass as half empty my friend, I wouldn't still be here. I am just saying that most of the blame for our current predicament can be laid at the companies feet. And looking at this through rose colored glasses is what caused many investors to become impatient when things never materialized on the companies stated timetables. Placing all the blame on investors is just naive!
Blaming Manuel is lame. And thinking the other partners were unaware of what was being put out in news is ridiculous. Suave is the one who did the first interview with EDS and confirmed the $500M He is also the one who said AMEX was goal. So don't try to excuse current "management". For the record, I do believe there is over $500M in contracts and we will see more announced in the future.
This was never an "Olympics" event. It was made clear months ago that there would never be an Olympic contract. Most saw this as an investment in a company who claimed to have over $500M in contracts and was only waiting for symbol change to take the world by storm. Because of delays and mistakes by company and continually missed deadlines, investors lost faith.
FWIW I seriously doubt the Chinese are calling the shots on releasing news. Thats just ridiculous IMO.
Since I rarely post anymore (for similar reasons as you I might add) you should be more cautious about what you believe are my motives. Personally, I put nothing the company says in stone until they prove they can meet there own deadlines or submit anything correctly the first time.
I have the patients of Job here and will hold for as long as it takes. I just think the company needs to do a better job addressing share value and rebuild shareholder confidence and investors will be more patient!
FWIW those who know me know I am not a basher and am long term. Bought my first shares 7 to 8 years ago...lol. I added a bunch at .021 and .027 last fall then added more after symbol change at .058, .05, .027, and .025. I have stopped adding and have never sold a single share yet.
"muddled perceptions" you say...lol. And whose fault is this? Surely not Aquagold's.
"everything we were told about building the business according to PLAN has come true..." How do we know it has come true? We haven't had news for 5 weeks(not counting Ceo update which really wasn't much) and only real confirmation we have thus far is $118M contract (which is $382 less than company touted before merger)
"just NOT as fast as some have wanted/expected..." It was the company that waved the stack of contracts at the first investors meeting and said they would release a flood of news once name was changed. You don't think this raised expectations?
"however, the PPS did not go up and stay up because of momo players and impatient retail expectations." Please! PPS dropped because Manuel left, "exceeding 500M" in contracts turned out to be $118M actually signed so far, and delay after delay by company caused many to lose faith and sell. (bailing after holding for 6 to 9 months by many investors is not impatience and is understandable imo)
"These events to date & PPS performance have become muddled into a "failure perspective" by some who cannot focus and think in LONG TERM sequences of events yet to come & the subsequent response of share price."Long term is different to everyone. To some 6 months is long term but my guess is most that bailed were short term players who either believed the hype from this board (the to the moon and last chance crap) or believed company that flood of news would follow symbol change. When this didn't happen and Manuel left, many cut their losses.
"and yet some muddled minds want dollarland before there has been time to build and accomplish the infrastructure to support it! It would be nice, but it is not likely to happen prematurely."These minds were muddled to expecting dollarland because A)company said in December interview with EDS that they were going to file financials for first quarter of shipping products and next quarter with hopeful uplisting to AMEX (where you need a $3 share price) So it was an easy assumption that by June we should have been at a dollar or more. Company even put pictures on web site of product shiiping and in china warehouses leading us to believe they were making money back in December. Of course we now know these were donated....lol. B)It was company at first investors meeting that said $1 short term!
You are right that putting your money in banks is safer but consider this, if you buy a 12 month CD at 4% you know the bank will pay you the 4% for the 12 months. Imagine how you would feel after 12 months if the bank said "sorry" you will have to wait another 12 months to get the 4%.
LOL, my point is this, we need to stop saying derogitory things about investors who become impatient with Aquagold when it is really their fault for investors becoming impatient. Case in point, Suave said around 2 weeks for 8k (they obviously have a thing for 2 weeks being the amount of time to do something....lol) and here we are 3 weeks out. They are supposed to learn from their mistakes not repeat them!
And lastly they need to put effort into building share value as the company grows and stop expecting the market to react to huge contracts. Its a pinky stock with a horrible track record to date. Find ways to bring in investors and release that flood of news now to push it. Release news of airline negotiations, product launch in grand hall, new bottle design and expected shipping date of first order, any LOI's negotiated but not signed for future orders, and anything else they are working on. Suave may call this fluff, but I call it an investor awareness program.
whew......finally done...lol
I am grateful they are filing 8k but lets face it, this is for the naysayers and nonbelievers, not us longs. Mr Sauve needs to step up and release a bunch of updates immediately following the 8k hitting. It is admirable he doesn't want to release "fluff" but we have steadily gone down on his watch.
We longs are the ones who have been steadfast in our support and have held our shares through all the companies turmoil and screw ups! (Lets not forget the 2 week wait from hell for the symbol change, you know, the 2 weeks, then 2 weeks, then 2 weeks on and on)..We remained steadfast through that delay!
It's time to focus some of their energy on share price. If they don't have time, then hire someone. A strong pr campaign, releasing news at the appropriate intervals to keep momentum up and flippers out is what we need.
I am sorry, but just filing the 8-k won't fix the damage done or cause the huge upswing in price. It will lend credability to future releases which is why I hope they finally open the gates and start a press campaign to support increased share price.
Say what you want about Manuel, but we had 52 week high on his watch and held in the .07's up until his departure.
Come on guys.....amaze us!
OK, thanks.
We've seen this before. Lets see how the week finishes out before we consider the dilution over.
It looks like one container holds 700 cases so 2 containers is 1400 cases apparently donated. (I tried to count them from photo on their web site)
It kind of ticks me off that they put those photos up there showing water being shipped and in China making us think they were in fact selling it way back then.
Oh well..... things will be better soon if they shoot straight from now on.
So when can we expect the company to address share price through promoters and contract news? Did you get a feel for this when talking to them? Next week? Or will we have to wait until product launch and watch this thing continue its decline until then?
Thanks ranger.
See, is this the one thing about all of this that ticks me off. Every PR said $500M China contract and hinted they would exceed it. Can't blame Desilva cause they all had to know this was being included in press releases.
Now they want to retract this......please!
Not to mention many of us were told there product was already being shipped to China but they failed to say it wasn't being sold yet.
Still like the potential here but am ticked at their clumsy handling of all of this to date....every step of the way!
You lost me there Doog
"The estimates on AQUAGOLD's China contract alone exceed $500 Million in revenues"
As we all know, this was in every contact until recently. So forgive me if choose to continue to dilude myself and believe there is more they haven't announced yet....lol
If this is true then maybe DeSilva isn't only one of them falsely putting out information.
Personally, I believe there are more contracts signed. I just wish they would get off there butts and put one out to stop this bleeding.
So Taillefer states in December interview "At this point the 500 million dollars already announced in our previous press release shall be exceeded."
Already announced is referencing every single PR they had put out to that point that claimed $500M in contracts.
$118M announced. I would sure like to see PR's on the rest of them.
Original EDS interview on December 3rd was with Mr Taillefer
"EDS : Can you give us guidance as to what you expect to be doing revenue wise in 08 and after?
ONMC: At this point the 500 million dollars already announced in our previous press release shall be exceeded.