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Who is Montanory?
Why are you here?
I will provide the DD if YOU announce to the board the times YOU were buying TNOG at the lows while bashing at the same time and then later telling folks you were dumping millions of shares into any run.
Where were you and your precious so-called DD when newbies were buying TNOG at close to .05? That's right--you were NOWHERE in sight. But now that TNOG is near it's 52 week lows you can't shut up?
I wonder why...hmmmm
Joani, I think you are right. Two desperate desperadoes!
Crow, you've been told over and over about this, but apparently you want to get militant about it.
There is no censorship. You have re-run this old DD countless times. Enough is enough. You and Jlev want to dominate conversation by sheer force.
Here is a link to your deleted posts. As you can see they are there over and over. What the moderators object to is you is spamming the board over and over and over and over and over and over. Get it? Helllooooo....am I getting through to you?
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=13686591
Crowin has posted the same info many many times here. Here are three of his recent posts. There are probably many more here if you go back in his history:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=13574735
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=13268841
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=13148239
It's the CROW and JLEV tag-team show!!! Watch them bully the longs!!! They gang up on TNOG! They even bully the execptionally patient and fair moderator!!! Watch them dominate and spam the board with reruns and repetition!!! They're wild and crazy guys!!!
Could that be the money purloined from TNOG by the Manitoba Group? Remember, they sold TNOG stock without living up to their obligations.
They'll have to pay it back. (Hence the constant bashing to get TNOG as low as possible).
TNOG HOD~!
LDD, yes abusive chat room activity IS going on against TNOG and has been for quite some time. One basher here in particular recklessly tosses out LIBELOUS accusations and vile metaphors. Somone should slap the cuffs on him and drag him off this board permanently.
Someone keeps buying. Accumulation going on big time.
Funny how a certain shrill basher shows up exactly at the same time we switch moderators. Crow pretty much had his way to post, repost and repost again the same stale reruns from years ago. Things have changed and he won't be allowed to spam this board.
He should start looking forward instead of being obsessed with the past.
The moderator never called you a moron. I would, but I refrain from personal insults.
Quit trying to bait the moderators--they're both behaving exceedingly fair and are not biased. I had a couple of my posts deleted too. You and Crow are anxious to stir up trouble in the hopes of getting the moderators kicked off (just because they happen to be long). These underhanded tactics are transparently obvious and won't succeed.
Who pays you to behave the way you do? If you're not getting paid, well then you're a...well, you know.
Crow, did you write this under one of your other aliases, yes or no?
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il Leases under Titan Consolidated Inc
By: zeus_otc_god 18 Mar 2005, 09:59 PM EST
TNOG "Please All Read........ I live in San Antonio, Texas less than
30 miles from Wilson County. I know that that whole area has tons of
oil, wells are all over the place and I have a couple friends that
are getting royalties from wells on their land out that way. I was
somewhat skeptical if this company was real or not and this is what
I found. I traced down the Wilson County Clerks Office and spoke
with a woman named Yvonne. I had her look up to see if their were
any Oil Leases under Titan Consolidated Inc. She found recent paper
work dated Aug 2004 filed by Peter Maupin (Titan's Petroleum
Engineer) in behalf on Titan Consolidated Inc. for 15 Oil Leases;
they bought the leases and the equipment in writing. She read me
some of it that told about Titan buying leases and equipment and
that Peter Maupin will received 1/32 of profit from all leases, she
offered to fax me the copies but I did not have a fax. Her name is
Yvonne, Wilson County Clerks Office, and her phone # is 1-830-393-
7308(in San Antonio we do not have to put the "1" in front of number
to call but you may need to. not sure). I believe she would be glad
to fax you a copy of the Permits and maybe some one could scan and
post it, she looked it up under Peter Mapin. Some more info I got
from IR which seems to mesh with what I found in Wilson County.
According to IR their is 660mil o/s, 330 mil float. They have one
well producing 100 barrels a day free flowing (not being pumped yet)
and others on the way not to say Natural gas. So this Company
is """REAL""" and """PRODUCING""" lock, stock, and
barrel...verified. I loaded up today and will be loading up more on
Monday....god bless all.
How do we know you aren't working for a 'crew?'
If you think TNOG is a 'fraud' (careful there, bub), why don't you get on the horn to the SEC?
Check the last 100 messages. I see very little pumping going on here, but a heck of a lot of BASHING of a stock at it's 52 week low. Coincidence?
If TNOG had significant production, it wouldn't be at these lows. It's easy to be right looking backward. Speculative stocks are about looking forward.
Why would you care who is accountable and who is not? You have written that countless times. What does that even mean? How can one be unaccountable in stock trading? Are we supposed to try to get the MM's, naked shorting hedge funds and bashers to give us our money back? Call our broker and cry? Your repeated use of 'accountability' in this context is not only absurd, it is also meaningless sing-song pap designed only to make you sound wise and grandfatherly to the uninitiated.
I can afford to lose my entire investment in TNOG. I have plenty of other irons in the fire. But why would YOU care one whit? You are omnipresent with hundreds of posts (thousands elsewhere) trying to help newbies? You seem to want folks to sell, but wait a second...wouldn't that just create newbie longs who would automatically transmogrify into new 'stuck holders' for you to pick on? Wouldn't that be immoral for me to sell to newbies? (Not doing that!)
Why are you really here? (and don't be insulting and say you are here to protect strangers). Do you deny flipping TNOG in the past? (I know, I know...don't talk about THAT)
I know who is truly immoral here.
You're being overly dramatic. As usual.
DUH, I wasn't talking to you. I want to hear from the other basher. Thanks.
Excuse me, but that's why they call these stocks SPECULATIVE. Do you know what that means? It means you're looking to the future, not backwards. And how do you buy speculative stocks? You buy them LOW. Where TNOG is now.
This is not a personal insult to you, BTW, LOL
Crow--just curious...does this post look familiar to you? Do you know who might have written it?
Oil Leases under Titan Consolidated Inc
By: zeus_otc_god 18 Mar 2005, 09:59 PM EST
TNOG "Please All Read........ I live in San Antonio, Texas less than
30 miles from Wilson County. I know that that whole area has tons of
oil, wells are all over the place and I have a couple friends that
are getting royalties from wells on their land out that way. I was
somewhat skeptical if this company was real or not and this is what
I found. I traced down the Wilson County Clerks Office and spoke
with a woman named Yvonne. I had her look up to see if their were
any Oil Leases under Titan Consolidated Inc. She found recent paper
work dated Aug 2004 filed by Peter Maupin (Titan's Petroleum
Engineer) in behalf on Titan Consolidated Inc. for 15 Oil Leases;
they bought the leases and the equipment in writing. She read me
some of it that told about Titan buying leases and equipment and
that Peter Maupin will received 1/32 of profit from all leases, she
offered to fax me the copies but I did not have a fax. Her name is
Yvonne, Wilson County Clerks Office, and her phone # is 1-830-393-
7308(in San Antonio we do not have to put the "1" in front of number
to call but you may need to. not sure). I believe she would be glad
to fax you a copy of the Permits and maybe some one could scan and
post it, she looked it up under Peter Mapin. Some more info I got
from IR which seems to mesh with what I found in Wilson County.
According to IR their is 660mil o/s, 330 mil float. They have one
well producing 100 barrels a day free flowing (not being pumped yet)
and others on the way not to say Natural gas. So this Company
is """REAL""" and """PRODUCING""" lock, stock, and
barrel...verified. I loaded up today and will be loading up more on
Monday....god bless all.
Clearly it's not a personal attack. No more than crow calling us 'stuck holders.'
Crow, you persist in calling longs 'stuckholders.' Is that not verbally kicking people who are down? Of course, I never expect you to answer any questions that remotely lead to a positive spin about TNOG. Your job is to be 100 percent negative and we all know you don't break routine.
That said, are you accumulating here?
Yes. "Buy low, sell high."
eom
Read this from an early TNOG poster (tone sound familiar?). Then read about the basher catagories below. This guy is in the 'advanced' catagory...
Oil Leases under Titan Consolidated Inc
By: zeus_otc_god 18 Mar 2005, 09:59 PM EST
TNOG "Please All Read........ I live in San Antonio, Texas less than
30 miles from Wilson County. I know that that whole area has tons of
oil, wells are all over the place and I have a couple friends that
are getting royalties from wells on their land out that way. I was
somewhat skeptical if this company was real or not and this is what
I found. I traced down the Wilson County Clerks Office and spoke
with a woman named Yvonne. I had her look up to see if their were
any Oil Leases under Titan Consolidated Inc. She found recent paper
work dated Aug 2004 filed by Peter Maupin (Titan's Petroleum
Engineer) in behalf on Titan Consolidated Inc. for 15 Oil Leases;
they bought the leases and the equipment in writing. She read me
some of it that told about Titan buying leases and equipment and
that Peter Maupin will received 1/32 of profit from all leases, she
offered to fax me the copies but I did not have a fax. Her name is
Yvonne, Wilson County Clerks Office, and her phone # is 1-830-393-
7308(in San Antonio we do not have to put the "1" in front of number
to call but you may need to. not sure). I believe she would be glad
to fax you a copy of the Permits and maybe some one could scan and
post it, she looked it up under Peter Mapin. Some more info I got
from IR which seems to mesh with what I found in Wilson County.
According to IR their is 660mil o/s, 330 mil float. They have one
well producing 100 barrels a day free flowing (not being pumped yet)
and others on the way not to say Natural gas. So this Company
is """REAL""" and """PRODUCING""" lock, stock, and
barrel...verified. I loaded up today and will be loading up more on
Monday....god bless all.
GRADE YOUR FAVORITE BASHER:
Advanced Basher:
Will join the message board early and actually "pump" the stock with positives; this basher is very intelligent, has the facts of the company, actually helps longs with Due Diligence and generally gets the confidence of the stockholders. Then, when the stock hits their price, the tone will change and they will start asking longs to check into this and check into that. The seeds of doubt are being planted. This basher will then start using all the tactics listed on this page to create seeds of doubt. ALWAYS LOOK AT THE PROFILE OF A PERSON YOU SUSPECT. ASK WHAT STOCKS THEY'VE "SUPPORTED" IN THE PAST AND CHECK OUT THE MESSAGE BOARD. An honest person will have a positive track record that can be followed. I strongly believe that a contrary view is needed but this person is out to steal your money and does it by deception and creates fear after gaining confidence! BEWARE, this is the most clever basher and the hardest to spot.
Grade A Basher:
Posts lots of old news, responds to all positive posts with a negative side. Never responds to being called a basher, never posts on another board. Can spend up to 80 hours a week bashing a stock.
Grade B Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.
Grade C Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.
Grade D Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week. Grade F Basher: A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.
WHY BASH?: MONEY (the usual reason), SPORT, ENTERTAINMENT. Some bashers are compelled to bash because they are inherently a part of the dark side of life so they must do it. It's a sad fact but never the less, a fact. It's life so you must learn how to deal with it or become a victim!
LEARN ABOUT HOW STOCK BASHERS WORK: how they are paid: (this was written by a basher) I know the following from a "friend" who needed extra money. I never answer a basher directly because I then become a basher's little money machine. IGNORE THEM FOLKS...how bashers are paid: When you REPLY to bashers you give them an opportunity to earn 5-7 bucks. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Money Manager's and the like don't have the time to check all their bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the basher will generally read the headlines to see if a basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those. A basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion.
NEVER ENGAGE A STOCK BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER'S AID!
Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your Due Diligence, ,trust your own judgment and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or bashers and live by the rules you have created.
I agree Bassett, your post was not a personal attack--just an observation. There was no name calling. Many of these bashers are from the RB board. One would think they would have grown a thicker skin from residing there, lol!
Slo Jon--you should never ask a basher a question like this (have you anything good to say about my stock?) even in jest, because they always have a pat answer for it.
In fact, over a year ago I once asked the perpetually-negative Crow "Do you have anything good to say about TNOG?"
He replied: "Do you have you anything good to say about TNOG?"
Yeah...quite a laugh. Their philosophy: Kick 'em while they're down! (and accumulate at the lows)
JMHO
Bought a little here at .013. I saw similar action similar to this with EDEX. It kept drifting down from around .20 all the way to down to around .02 on very light vol, then big volume moved in inexplicably. Still, it would not go up and people were complaining. Then a few days later it was at .10.
Not saying that will happen here, but it's worth a shot, IMO.
Did you take these photos during your recent and oft-promised Bastrop fly-over? LOL
I'll tell you why your posts of old press releases are no longer applicable (it should be self-evident even to you), but first I want to hear you APOLOGIZE for calling longs 'stuckholders.'
Meanwhile, you are free to repeat the same old things on this board. (see below)
A few CROWPHORISMS:
"I live in South Texas " (focus on you)
"You could not comprehend my DD" (focus on you)
"I tell it like it is" (focus on your ego)
" I use to work in the oilfield in the early 70s: (focus on you)
"ROFLMAO" (focus on you)
Yeah yeah, that's right--don't answer the question about how you flipped TNOG onto newbies in the past. When are YOU going to be accountable?
DWB--this is a good point. Crow has flipped TNOG in the past and who did he dump on? You got it. He dumped his stock on the very newbies he claims he's here to protect.
As for his veracity, people can draw their own conclusions.
Crowin writes:
I tell it like it is.
Why do you want me to shut up and Leave?
----
Apparently you cannot comprehend what I write because I never wrote that. I have said you're free to write whatever you wish as long as you don't violate I-HUB rules.
Crow, once again you distort the facts. Your posts of old, selected press releases (that are no longer applicable) have NOT been deleted. You've posted them over and over and over. I posted three links so readers can see them (all the same post) and as far as I know they're still there. I lost count of how many times you posted those reruns here and on other boards. So please don't lie and tell folks they're deleted. What's being deleted are your attempts to control and bully the board by continuously spamming those re-runs. Don't try to fool the newbies that you're the one being picked on. You're not--you're being treated quite fairly. (Unlike the longs that you like to pick on by calling them 'ostriches' and 'stuckholders.') Yes, we all comprehend you very well.
Frankly, I really doubt you're here to protect newbies. The cruelty you've displayed to the longs does not indicate someone with a surfeit of compassion. All investors in pink sheets are adults and they know the risks. Being old does not make you wise. The fact that you live in South Texas does not make you an expert on anything. I lived in West Texas for ten years and in San Antonio for 3 years. I've visited oil fields near Midland. I've personally witnessed people make fortunes during the wild cat oil boom around 1980, only to see them lose it all in the bust of the late '80s. So I guess that makes me an expert just like you.
Wouldn't your time be better spent doing DD on other stocks so you can make some money? Isn't it time you let this go? Why hold a grudge because you've been burned and lost money in the past? Isn't that immature, emotional and vindictive approach to stocks? Do you kick a coke machine when you lose some change? Then again, you're responsible for your own decisions and you're free to waste as much time here as you want. Just make sure you follow the rules. This isn't the RB board that you once claimed you 'owned.'
I'm here to protect the longs and inform the newbies. They need to be aware of tactics used by bashers as well as any mean-spirited cranks who might have an odd hobby and nothing better to do with themselves.
One last note for the newbies here: I have proof this person has traded TNOG in the past and claimed to make good money on it. I've saved his posts. He declines to refute my claims. He ignores stuff like that and concentrates on painting broad strokes with a Texas-sized brush of gloom.
Newbies need to be warned about bashers like this. Nothing they write can be considered trustworthy. JMHO
--M
Restocker--excellent post. It's the best one I've read here in a long time. Congrats!
OT Hey Doc--have a great time on vacation. I have many fond memories of beach camping out of a Jeep on Padre Island many years ago. Hope the fishing is good for you!
--M
And DF, I suggest YOU return to RB--a place dominated by short selling hedge funds. They love bashers and foul mouthed-trash talking there. LOL
LOL Dogface, I am here because I am a TNOG long. Why are YOU here? If you're here to kill time by tormenting people without recompense, what does that say about you? If you ARE getting paid (even a minuscule amount), you're not doing a very good job at earning it unless they assigned you here mainly to annoy folks with your over-used and inappropriate LOLs.
LOL, by the way, did you learn to pepper in all those LOLs from your master, Hpobet? Did you pick that up from him? LOL An hpobet wanna-be LOL
Good night LOL
I-HUB READERS,
Crowin has posted the same info many many times here. Here are three of his recent posts. There are probably many more here if you go back in his history:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=13574735
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=13268841
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=13148239
There is no censorship. You can read what he claims is censored above. MY complaint is that he is trying to dominate the TNOG conversation by reposting the same stuff over and over. Breaking up a rerun into separate posts or adding in a new sentence above it does NOT make it an original post. JMHO.
--Montanore
Dogface writes:
Is their realy (sic) such a thing as a paid basher?
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Yes. Most bashers have a monetary interest in their targeted stocks going down. Try tuning in to Reality FM. LOL
Have a good weekend everyone and thanks for the entertainment. --M
How about this. Sell a lot of stock illegally that you have no intention of paying back. Send out legions of paid criminal bashers to scare away newbies and frustrate longs into selling by using libelous accusations, distorted DD and outright lies. Keep doing this until the company is driven into the ground. Then move onto next assignment and repeat. Yeah, too bad the SEC is toothless.
LOL, we longs only respond to bashers if we feel like it. Yes, it's your prerogative to insult and insinuate all you want, but nobody is obligated to dance to your silly tune, LOL.
Yes, I took you off of ignore for reasons that are none of your business. LOL
It's nice to see this board spring to life again after being dominated (mostly) by one obsessive basher who posted repetitive/slanted/stale info ostensibly to insult longs into selling and perhaps mainly to frighten away newbies. (This person is also a confirmed TNOG flipper. Either that or he lied about owning TNOG shares twice so he could announce he was selling them to induce more selling).
Anyway, most of us are well aware of the myriad tactics bashers employ to get longs to sell and scare away said newbies--and all sorts of angry, dirty tricks have been used against TNOG. If you pick out any pink sheet stock in TNOG's catagory, you'll notice that there all sorts of problems intrinsic to each and every one of them. What a surprise! Yes, pink sheet stocks actually do have flaws--ahem--that's why they're on the pink sheets! These bashers demand perfection and they want it RIGHT NOW or else they are outraged and start libelously proclaiming fraud and scam. We all know pink sheet stocks aren't for the faint of heart. But they can be exciting and very rewarding. Yes, we longs are in it for the money! It must be very frustrating for the bashers because they can't control this board and shout us down and make us sell. And when TNOG does become more successful and trading around a quarter--they'll be looking mighty silly!
The bottom line: These repetitive bashers are here to do something they want longs to feel ashamed about. They're here to make M-O-N-E-Y. That's right, they make money by trying to drive a company out of business so their masters do not have to cover. That's their job. These people are neither altruistic nor are they here to help you out with your DD while they kill some time. They're here to line their pockets and those of their masters. We longs are not going to let that happen. Nope, not gonna sell. And that drives the bashers nuts!
JMHO.
You seem to be throwing around serious accusations with careless abandon.
"Scammers?"
Are you sure you're not making false and malicious accusations here?
Be careful. We longs are going to try to be reasonable and we will be careful to avoid any hit of personal attack and libel.
Will YOU do the same?
Let's all be courteous here.
Crow--point us to a post that you think indicates "pumping." I have not seen any pumping here. Or maybe you consider all longs to be pumpers just because they are longs. However, being a long does not mean we are pumpers. We are investors. (What you are is your own affair).
Here's a link to my post about pumping. Perhaps you need to be reminded what true pumping is:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=13655468
P.S. I agree with Dr. S.--Quit calling investors here 'stuckholders.' Insults are not necessary.
Thank you.