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Wasn't that reverse split happy GVRP part of Bennett's NSS contribution? I was following the happenings at the time, but am fuzzy on the details. Or was it BCIT? As I recall, it was really the MM's that screwed up and sold shares that didn't exist, after the r/s. The CEO of one stinky pinkie had filed that he had x amount of shares of a different company, which actually amounted to about all the new o/s...What a mess that was. I don't recall how it all ended up.
Not really true. No MM has filed a 211, so it trades unsolicited. I'm aware that some greys show a b/a on Level 2, but it's not the same.
Institutions? You must be kidding. This is a grey sheet stock. It trades without bid or ask. No MM games either....all they do is accept orders. Charting such stocks is a joke, pretty much.
Bingo...a legend..
..in his own mind...
Yep, can't believe I was dumb enough to be left a bagholder on that one. You remember the connection to Alex Kanakaris? I was lucky enough to make a tidy sum on KANA...and USVO. Both VOD companies fizzled, though USVO lanquishes at .06 or so....
Conversion Solutions asset assigned by alleged scammer
2006-11-10 13:11 ET - Street Wire
by Lee M. Webb
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.'s touted $310-million Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) security note was assigned to one of the company's precursors, Waatle Holdings Corp., by alleged Mad Dog Builders Inc. fraudster David A. Hawkins, Stockwatch has learned. (All amounts are in U.S. dollars.)
Mr. Hawkins, a 67-year-old resident of the Seattle, Wash., area and 71-year-old lawyer Harry Skeins from Blanco, Tex., were arrested in May and indicted for conspiracy and wire fraud in connection with an allegedly fraudulent mortgage scheme on Aug. 16.
Among other things, the scheme allegedly involved invalid liens, purported foreclosures, illegal conveyance, bogus title insurance and fraudulent mortgage applications that netted the pair approximately $1.5-million in loan proceeds.
Mr. Hawkins and Mr. Skeins have both entered pleas of not guilty and, upon the filing of waivers of a speedy trial and a stipulated motion for a continuance, the case is scheduled for trial next February.
While the charges against Mr. Hawkins and Mr. Skeins do not involve Conversion's $310-million UCC note, Stockwatch's investigation of the background to the case, including the review of hundreds of pages of court and county filings, has uncovered matters with significant implications for the company's already highly suspect claims regarding its assets.
As previously reported, on Oct. 24, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) issued a 10-day suspension against Conversion and filed a fraud lawsuit against the company and its now former chief executive officer Rufus Paul Harris alleging that the company's claims about owning billions of dollars worth of bonds are bogus.
Even after Conversion was booted from the OTC Bulletin Board to the grey market in the wake of the SEC suspension, many of the promotion's cult-like followers insist that the U.S. regulator is mistaken, or corrupt, and cling to the fantasy that the penniless company has $7.3-billion worth of assets.
Other "true longs," casting themselves in the role of "conservative" investors, point to Conversion's dubious audited financial statements covering a period prior to the purported acquisition of the bulk of its bonds as proof that, at the very least, the company had $810-million in assets as of June 30, 2006.
Setting aside any detailed consideration of the arguably slipshod audited financial statements, the purported $810-million in assets as of June 30, 2006, reportedly comprised a $500-million Republic of Venezuela bond and the $310-million UCC note.
In an affidavit by an SEC accountant filed in connection with the lawsuit, the U.S. regulator offers rather compelling evidence that, among other things, Conversion does not own the $500-million Venezuelan bond.
To this point, perhaps understandably satisfied that it can make its fraud case based primarily on the bogus bond claims, the SEC has been silent on the matter of the reported $310-million UCC note, which actually provided the early foundation for the promotion.
In any event, Stockwatch's investigation indicates that the purported $310-million UCC note assigned to Conversion precursor Waatle by Mad Dog principal Mr. Hawkins is probably worthless.
Mad Dog
The intriguing story of Mr. Hawkins and Mad Dog traces back more than two decades to at least the early 1980s.
In 1981, Mr. Hawkins was the developer of a nine-story condominium project overlooking Seattle and Puget Sound. At the time, the Mad Dog project was reportedly appraised at $6-million.
As construction was nearing completion, Queen City Savings and Loan, which was financing the project, withheld several months worth of draws under the loan contract with Mad Dog.
According to Mr. Hawkins, Queen City's actions choked off his company's cash flow and prevented him from making the regular loan payments to the lender.
With the loan in default, Queen City then served a notice of foreclosure, shutting the job down.
Mad Dog filed for bankruptcy in order to obtain a temporary stay of the foreclosure and sale of the condominium project, hoping to get financing from another source.
In May of 1983, however, bankruptcy judge Samuel J. Steiner terminated the stay, clearing the way for Queen City to sell the property.
"Then Queen City sold the building to itself, stealing thereby our investment of capital, labor and materials," Mr. Hawkins later declared in an affidavit. "Our business was destroyed, and the businesses of many of my associates were destroyed or suffered injury."
Mr. Hawkins quickly filed a fraud lawsuit against Queen City, prevailing in a jury trial in which the verdict and jury award was rendered in February of 1984.
According to Mr. Hawkins, however, the jury award "was deliberately, improperly, and unlawfully reported in open court by Judge James McCutcheon" to be $350,000 instead of the $3.5-million actually awarded by the jury.
Indeed, based on the affidavits of the 12 jurors subsequently obtained by Mr. Hawkins, the jury evidently believed that it had made awards of $350,000 and $3.2-million for a total of approximately $3.5-million.
Alas, according to Mr. Hawkins, Superior Court Judge Donald Thompson accepted the allegedly perjured testimony about the matter by Judge McCutcheon and his bailiff and "refused to correct and record the true jury award."
Mr. Hawkins battled on, filing appeals and launching about a dozen civil actions in Washington state and federal courts in addition to lodging complaints with various judicial and administrative bodies.
Over the course of about 10 years, the Mad Dog builder lost the appeals and lawsuits and evidently did not receive any satisfaction from bodies such as the Washington State Commission on Judicial Conduct.
Evidently distraught, to put it mildly, by the perceived misconduct and chicanery of trial and appellate judges, lawyers, bank executives, county officials and others, Mr. Hawkins turned to another strategy in the early 1990s.
By 1994, Mr. Hawkins and Mad Dog began filing non-consensual liens and an "affidavit of obligation" in King county against the property of at least 16 individuals including various judges, lawyers, bank executives and others who he believed had conspired to wrongfully frustrate his civil lawsuits related to the Queen City dispute.
In October of 1994, Mr. Hawkins and Mad Dog assigned their purported interests in the liens to Pacific Beach Mortgage Co. Inc., another entity that he controlled.
On Nov. 1, 1994, however, Superior Court Judge R. Joseph Wesley issued an order striking liens and other documents filed by Mr. Hawkins, Mad Dog and Pacific Beach. Similar orders were entered by the court with respect to actions involving other properties.
The Nov. 1, 1994, court order effectively putting paid to the Mad Dog scheme might have stopped a less determined individual, but Mr. Hawkins barely broke stride.
Indeed, while it evidently took a bit of time, Mr. Hawkins added considerably to his list of purported lien debtors following the issuance of the court order intended to bring his "frivolous" and "malicious" activities to an end.
On a purported $300-million commercial note filed on July 3, 2001, Mr. Hawkins identifies more than 50 principal and accessory lien debtors including the United States of America, seven judges, at least six lawyers, a handful of Washington state and King county officials and a couple of Seattle police officers, among others.
Beginning in about 2000, as part of his efforts to convert the invalid liens into an asset he could use to make money, Mr. Hawkins and his Pacific Beach Mortgage began assigning and transferring interests in purported commercial notes and UCC security notes that ran to billions of dollars in total.
Perhaps the UCC notes scheme was not very lucrative. In any event, at least by early 2003, Mr. Hawkins was busy with a scheme that led to his arrest and subsequent indictment along with Mr. Skeins.
The mortgage scheme
As noted, Mr. Hawkins and Mr. Skeins were arrested on May 3 and indicted on one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and two counts of wire fraud on Aug. 16.
According to the government's allegations, on April 18, 2003, Pacific Beach filed quit claim deeds on properties that had been the subject of invalid liens by Mad Dog. The deeds purported to pass title from Pacific Beach to another outfit, PowerStone Ltd.
The U.S. prosecutor claims that there was no lawful authority for the alleged conveyances.
More than two years later, on June 20, 2005, Pacific Beach allegedly filed notices vacating the quit claim deeds to PowerStone, thereby purporting to revert the title back to Mr. Hawkins's Pacific Beach.
At some point in the scheme, Mr. Hawkins and Mr. Skeins allegedly started a bogus title insurance company called the Commercial Title and Escrow Company Inc.
On March 15 of this year, Mr. Hawkins, acting as president of Pacific Beach, entered into purported sale agreements with a "straw buyer" he recruited for the scheme. The buyer is identified only as "B.D." in the indictment.
The straw buyer, armed with allegedly bogus title insurance policies from Commercial Title, then applied for mortgage loans to complete the purchases.
All told, Mr. Hawkins and Mr. Skeins allegedly ended up with approximately $1.5-million from the fraudulent mortgage loan scheme.
According to the indictment, the allegedly fraudulent scheme was the culmination of Mr. Hawkins's efforts to convert the invalid liens he had been filing since at least 1994 "into an asset he could sell, mortgage, or otherwise use to make money."
While the allegedly fraudulent mortgage scheme may well mark the end of Mr. Hawkins's efforts with respect to the invalid liens, particularly given his arrest, his UCC note transfers and assignments arguably deserve some consideration as marking the high point of his efforts, though it is not clear just how much money, if any, he made with that scheme.
The UCC notes
As noted above, Mr. Hawkins and Pacific Beach transferred and assigned commercial and UCC notes totalling billions of dollars.
The largest single UCC note assignment uncovered by Stockwatch amounted to a purported $1-billion that was assigned to Mr. Hawkins and Carl Chuman by Pacific Beach on Dec. 10, 2002.
Pacific Beach made a number smaller assignments including $1-million to Joe Cribbs of Birmingham, Ala., another $1-million to William Webb of Lawrenceville, Ga., and $4-million to Dwayne D. Rudd of West Lake, Ohio. All of those assignments were made on Jan. 13, 2003.
A larger UCC note assignment was recorded on May 14, 2002, when Pacific Beach assigned a purported $150-million interest to the Great Domestic Insurance Company Inc. of the Philippines and Excalibur International Insurance Services.
Interestingly, when Broadband Wireless International Corp. filed a lawsuit as part of its effort to give the boot to Mr. Harris and his two associates, Ben Stanley and John Walsh, the company claimed that they had foisted a purported $100-million, but actually worthless, bond off on them that had been underwritten by two defunct Philippine companies.
It is not clear whether the purported $100-million bond that Mr. Harris brought to Broadband is related to the $150-million UCC note assignment Mr. Hawkins's Pacific Beach issued to Great Domestic and Excalibur.
In any event, it does appear that Mr. Harris's sidekick at Broadband and Conversion, Mr. Stanley, had some previous dealing with Pacific Beach.
Evidently Pacific Beach assigned a $40-million UCC note interest to a company called Progressive Primitive Oaks Inc. some time prior to March of 2000, though that assignment was at least temporarily rescinded for non-performance of whatever contract it entailed on March 16, 2000.
By April of 2003, however the Progressive Primitive Oaks deal, whatever its specific nature, was apparently back on.
A Pacific Beach corporate resolution of April of 2003 gave Mr. Hawkins authority to open chequing accounts and so on, including the specific authority to direct the opening of a bank account by inviduals identified as Ben Stanley and Mike Grabarkiewiez for depositing "the designated net usable cash" tied to the $40-million UCC assignment to Progressive Primitive Oaks.
There is no way of telling just how that turned out, but it certainly appears that at least one subsequent Conversion officer had some relationship with Mr. Hawkins and Pacific Beach predating the UCC note assigned to Waatle that ended up as a Conversion asset.
The Waatle note
It is difficult to tease much in the way of significant details regarding the UCC note acquired by Conversion through its merger with Waatle on June 17, 2005, from any of the company's SEC filings, and Mr. Harris has been far from forthcoming about the matter.
Indeed, when pressed for details about the note by Timothy Miles, one of Conversion's early and sharpest critics, during one of his marathon SupPennyRadio interviews, Mr. Harris simply brushed the questions off by telling Mr. Miles that he should be able to do his own research.
Mr. Harris claimed that all the information about the UCC note was available in Waatle news releases, but Stockwatch has had no more success than Mr. Miles in locating any such news releases.
According to what apparently passes for audited financial statements, Conversion holds a $310-million UCC note obtained by virtue of the Waatle merger.
"The UCC Security Note was properly assigned to Waatle Holdings Corp. (assignee) on April 15, 2004 to be effective on May 27, 2004 from another company (assignor) in exchange for agreed upon consideration," a note to the slipshod financial statements vaguely states.
"The UCC Security Note is free and clear of all liens and encumbrances and the company has clear and marketable title to the assets securing the note," the note adds. "The assignor is a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the State of Washington and in good standing under the laws of such State."
The note to the financial statements goes on to claim that the value components of the UCC note comprise approximately $172.3-million in principal and $137.8-million in interest, which might lead some skeptics to think that the note is badly impaired, given the whopping interest outstanding and the absence of any payment since the company acquired the note.
In any event, the note to the financial statements goes on to disclose that Waatle agreed to pay the unidentified assignor $40-million for the UCC note, with the first payment due within 60 days of May 27, 2004.
The first payment was never made and Conversion still owes the full $40-million for the ballyhooed UCC note.
While the notes to the financial statements do not identify the mystery assignor, Stockwatch can identify the assignor as Pacific Beach, with the certificate of standing executed by Mr. Hawkins in the role of managing director.
Interestingly, the Washington state recorder's cover sheet identifies the assignee as Waatle Holdings LLC with an address in San Diego, Calif.
Also of some interest, the May 27, 2004, filing includes a Pacific Beach corporate resolution authorizing the assignment, then pegged at $250-million, that is signed by Dr. Vijaya Kumar as secretary.
The resolution lists a Scarborough, Ont., address as Pacific Beach's corporate office, while an exhibit identifying Waatle as the assignee lists a different Scarborough address for Pacific Beach.
In any case, a review of the history of Mr. Hawkins and Mad Dog indicates that Conversion's touted $310-million UCC note is every bit as suspect as the company's allegedly bogus bond assets. Indeed, it is probably worthless.
Stockwatch will take a closer look at Conversion's purported bonds in a future article.
Preliminary injunction
In other news, the SEC obtained a preliminary injunction against Mr. Harris and Conversion on Nov. 7.
Mr. Harris consented to the entry of the order without admitting or denying the allegations in the lawsuit filed on Oct. 24.
In spite of being advised that it had to be represented by counsel, Conversion did not bother to appear with a lawyer at the Nov. 7 hearing.
According to the order, Conversion's new chief executive officer Michael Alexander did not oppose the motion for a preliminary injunction.
Basically, the preliminary injunction enjoins the defendants, Mr. Harris and Conversion, from making fraudulent claims and violating securities regulations. The injunction also allows the SEC to continue with expedited discovery.
Now changing hands on the grey market, Conversion shed another eight cents to close at 47 cents on Nov. 9.
Stockwatch will continue to follow developments.
Comments regarding this article may be sent to lwebb@stockwatch.com.
(More information regarding Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. is available in Stockwatch articles published on Oct. 13, 16, 18, 20, 24 and 26; and Nov. 2, 3 and 7, 2006.)
Reader Comments - Comments are open and unmoderated, although libelous remarks may be deleted. Opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect the views of Stockwatch.
Impressive investigative work, Lee.
While the facts you have uncovered will be viewed as just more frivolity by the CSHD believers, even they will be impressed by the long-term endeavors of the hard-working Hawkins.
The American Dream: He who hesitates is lost, and perseverance pays off (though eventually it will have to sink in that the CSHD paper purchasers are the ones who ultimately paid for Hawkins's perseverance).
Posted by Halcrow @ 2006-11-10 14:02
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5x a negative number equals...
what?
Yep, that he wuz....
great pic!!!
Man, you were owned today by your adversaries on this board...yet you still persist in inanities.....
Apparantly you can't read, or have no comprehension skills whatsover.....the SEC does not work that way....though, as in the case of WELU from 1999, when very swift action occurred, one can expect the same here...But i think it was still months before WELU was revoked.
Methinx that last post to me deserves a TOU report being filed...but you ain't worth the effort...
Yes...the penguins that stand by, watch and laugh as the lemmings follow one another over the cliff into the sea...of oblivion...
Umm...Andy Roddick, cowgirl style.....?
"Paris Hilton over Andy Roddick"
.now I'll duck...
yes...
penguins have an aversion to koolaide....
Ummm, methinx it's....
..yours....?
A legend....in his own mind only...
Yes, he surely is the king of spin...he has far surpassed Tut, of late anyhow....here's his latest spew:
<<hursday, November 09, 2006
Returning to the OTCBB then on to AMEX
What an amazing and extraordinary saga this has truly been! We've seen it all...well, not really ALL, but it sure as heck feels like it.
We've been schooled on the fast track of market corruption, well some of us at least! I've learned more about the stock market in the last 3 months than in the 7 years prior. I now know why I kept losing money investing in companies that had great potential and were moving up, then all of a sudden bottoming out!
Call it what you want: Market manipulation, short selling, naked short selling; I'm calling it what it is: CORRUPTION! Plain and simple. The people that hold offices designed to protect us from the real scams have shown their hand and proven that they themselves are involved in this dark underground industry of crime. They are no different from the elected officials in congress that are easily bought off by high flying lobbyist that promote their hidden agendas!
Either way, I'm going to strongly disagree with ANYONE that says we have to walk on eggshells with these crooks that are in positions of power over the market! What makes them so special that they are above the law? Are they different from you and I, the honest, hard working American investor and taxpayer? NO!
I say it is HIGH time we stop allowing these crooks to dictate the way it should go and we start getting aggressive and go on the offense, which is why I'm in such agreement and appreciation of Rufus Paul Harris and his approach on this matter. Think about it! He's been burned by these very people before and when he was cooperating with the very institution that was designed to protect him (the SEC), they somehow lost his 500 page report that was compiled evidence against the corruption and the crooks. So why should he be so naive a 2nd time? Only an idiot would fall into the same trap! You've heard the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!"
We have been subject to their plunderings for far too long and it's time that we stood up to the injustices! Change rarely, if ever, comes by sitting silently on the sidelines and going with the flow or status quo! It's time to MAN UP! Are you a man or a mouse? Should we continue to watch our fellow investors be robbed day in and day out at the hands of these criminals? We must speak up, cause your voice to be heard.
RPH has gone against the normal way of doing things as far as a conventional CEO goes. He's posted on internet chat forums, participated in instant messaging with shareholders, spoken on internet radio interviews, fielded hundreds of personal cell phone calls from shareholders. I would say he's definitely broken the mold and either set a new precedent for the new age CEO or he gets labeled as a complete lunatic and raving madman! I'm hoping for the former.
I for one am sincerely thankful for the advanced education that I have received on bond hypothecation and asset management. Though it is new to the market and receiving a cold reception thus far, I FIRMLY believe that it will be BLAZING HOT once people worldwide recognize the potential for growth.
But here we sit...on the grey market! Victims of corrupt, evil people that think they have us grounded and destroyed! What they aren't fully aware of, but have an idea of is that they themselves are under federal investigation and under the scrutiny of congressional committees that are steadily gathering evidence for the final sting operation.
Here seems to be the plan of action going forward:
1. CSHD is in the process of negotiating and acquiring one market maker for our facilitation back to the OTCBB. This will be one that has an honorable reputation and not a history of shorting stocks. After they are signed on, then any other market maker that wants in will have to piggy back onto the primary market maker. This will mean a couple of thing:
a. The primary MM will be responsible for any shorting so they will not want their reputation tarnished and will not be allowing MM's that are known for this to get on board.
b. Any MM wanting on board will have to reveal their entire position, showing their short positions.
c. The primary MM will quote the price of the stock according to the information that they will look at on the company, which is the financials. They will set the price according to what they consider the value of the company to be and what they feel the market will accept and bear.
2. The conservative time frame for this transition is 1 week and a half. Once on the OTC we should not expect the manipulation that we've had before because of the Primary MM, though I'm not saying that it will never happen, after all, we are dealing with the market and nothing should surprise us at this point.
3. If our price point is set according to our audited financials and current book value, that should put us above the $5 Institutional buy-in target. This is GREAT news IMO because we should still have them lined up waiting to buy when it reaches this level. Remember that their charters do not allow them to buy below that level since it is too risky.
4. After our stock is stable and our infrastructure fully established, the company will be prepared to move to the AMEX, which we've heard will be within 2 months.
5. The 6 additional shares is still going to happen and should be issued once the company notifies the Nasdaq/Amex. This will happen once the stock is on the board and stabilized. Once notified, it will be issued within a day or so.
6. We're still expecting the "one fell swoop!" 10K/A filed. 10Q filed. JV's funded. Dubai deal? Uplisting. More partners announced. It's just a matter of getting everything lined up or "getting all the ducks in a row!"
7. SEC and other gov't agencies "save face" but doubt still lingers as to their connections with the ring of crime, until we start to see some prosecutions at high levels.
8. Shorts burned badly and hopefully put out of commission.
9. All those that held through it all move on to great prosperity and a new way of life. Congrats to you.
So hold firm for your deliverance draws near.
Peace
that's where most of 'em went...poof, with the destruction and burning of the tropical rainforests.....
right, because unlike CMKX, there won't be any rumor of a multi- trillion dollar windfall, or whatever the spin was...or a huge short positon...though that was tried here of course.
Drag on, the bald faced liar....
That's how much has fallen this month in Seattle. But the highest one day amount was at a measuring station near Mt St Helens, at 14.2". Close was 11.3 at Paradise, Mt Rainier. Cooler now, and dry for a bit. With lower snow levels predicted, maybe the next storm won't be so bad, though it could still dump over 5 inches from Sat to Monday, they're saying, with some warming. Ouch. I'm ready for ski season, so it dang well better cool down!
open .54
hi trade $74 this guy figured 2x book would be a good limit order
low trade .03 Still above future book....
close .39
"In other news, Bluediamonds has declared that he feels a large dump coming on."
Man the toilet plunger folks....
and maybe even the bilge pumps....
I thought you had seen the blog, but wanted to make sure. He's been deleting some of the comments....has left a few up....
Stock, did you relay on the url's to JP's blog? I have the first blog entry saved, the one that he took down.
correct, and this was just posted at AS:
10of13
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Icon 1 posted November 07, 2006 11:10 Profile for 10of13 Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Milliam just called.
He was in court...There were 4 SEC attorney's and no rep from CSHD.
The case continues and the SEC was not satisfied as to the Bonds being owned By CSHD and the Judge is allowing them more time.
Both Mike A and Rufus signed a "consent" (that's what Milliam called it) to continue the investigation...
There was no attorney for CSHD and the court was not happy with that.
Sounds like the SEC did talk to Euroclear and the SEC is still not convinced with the bonds being "CSHD's"
There's surely lots of longs that are still brainwashed. And that will go down with the ship, as the price will most likely slowly drift downwards towards oblivion, on continued low volume. Also it looks like a lot of today's trades appear to be buying....ouch.
Weellll, foist they was gonna sell logs....but they slipped outta da chokers and sunk again...."logspeed" ya see......then Rufus brung some bonds to the table....but forgot to tell the real owners.. and many thousands of SEConds later, some gov't ABC stepped in and said "halt, you're suspended".....Then a body builder named Mike re-took over the company...whilst Rufus set off to reframe da moon...or propogate himself....
for "bud" dealers? all 750 of them.....hehehe, right bud....?
Ahhh, that explains it! Rufus the horse whisperer....
Bud, did you have a bad experience in jail? of just some bad hallucinogens? ;)
Who here remembers XLA, that once traded over $200? Well, it was finally revoked..it last traded as XLACF...here's an article on it from Stockwatch
http://www.stockwatch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-615529-C:*SEC&symbol=*SEC&ne...
I know the difference. I was responding to others' posts. And CESV was first halted-for several months, then suspended...twice.
Wow. I see CESV was first halted in Feb...then traded a tiny bit before being suspended for 10 days as of May 19, then again in September.
And now trades on the greys at .11, down from 6.80 pre halt when it was NASDAQ listed.
There's a difference between being a good play and a good stock (company) It was an obvious scam from the start.
Probably....It was certainly odd that they said the financials were about done, but said they would be posted at a certain date AND on their website. Normal procedure is filing them as soon as they're done with the SEC, where they show up right away, for all to see.
Jcald's own answer spoke volumes...of the lack thereof..or what he knows.....
Tuesday, stock.....
Ummm UPCA was nailed after maybe 2 months...and WELU also 2 months. The one claimed an AIDS cure, the other claimed to be able to channel God, or some BS....
A tornado on the east coast? Wow....I grew up in Virginia and Arkansas before migrating to various west coast locales....never been in a tornado..hurricanes, yep....
Getting windy here, business will be booming.....not that it isn't already. Check out the videos I just put up at SI....
Yeahaa, warn't it, yard...you're quick...Uh I fixed it. Funny, I'd tried to embed it with tags...and that is what came up. Took off the tags, and its back to the real truck, all 400 horsepowery and shiny
Been posted before, but here's some info on Ecowood's previous owner, EVRE:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2000/0306/6506132a.html
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/34-53298.pdf
I'm banned from AS, and they were just yakking a bit about EVRE, so maybe someone will copy this over there.
If you think that post was logical.....ummm..
could you tell me where you got the great ganja?