Tenchu, I don't think anyone cares about your PIC ravings, including me.

Comparing 2 parts power usage on ~1 stress test using one measurement methodology is rather less than proper testing.

It would be VERY surprising if the added L2 cache was responsible for much power leakage/usage.

Nevertheless, it would be better to compare 4000+ to 4800+ and 3800+ to 4600+.

In those two cases, on average, the X2 parts should use strictly less than 2x the power of the single core parts.

(Which of course, is already more than the case when comparing TDP ratings.)

If mainstream is up to 90W, then a whole lot of Intel's lineup is (according to you) not mainstream.

They aren't "problems".

Nice try, Tenchu, but the prediction was for the PIC launch timeframe. You'll have to debate yourself if you want to continue this topic further.

For mainstream adoption, this TDP will need to come down quite a bit.

You must be joking.

Are you incapable of using Google or something?

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2004/12/02/helping.htm

Believe it or not, he wasn't, although it is clearly not the case overall, for the reasons outlined in my previous comment.

Well, Keith, that doesn't make much sense in general, now does it? The larger cache wouldn't account for that difference, so it is more likely a measurement issue, or a particularly lucky Venice core.

Nonsense Keith, they consume less than 2x the power. 1 memory controller, 1 crossbar, 2 venice or san diego cores.

Tenchu, I think you're confused. The PIC did launch, as claimed. Perhaps you should focus your accountability lens on yourself?

And that's 3 times you've tried to divert attention from the desktop ASP topic, Tenchu.

Why you're getting so exercised over a reference to last year's PIC launch is beyond me.

Yes, Monarch had all the 2xx line in briefly last week. The 275 sold out almost immediately, due in again on 6/17, but the 270 and 265 are still in stock:

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=M&Category_Code=...

my post wasn't related to the desktop ASP topic

Then it was odd to reply to the desktop ASP thread.

Shall we bring up your old predictions Tenchu? Like the one that AMD would never produce a processor capable of SMP?

So much for Anand's blather about the X2 not being available until "late this year".

I see you also have trouble with the desktop ASP topic.

And here I thought we were talking about the relative ASPs of various desktop processor lines. I take it that topic didn't appeal, Paul?

These days it's just as likely to be Intel with the lower desktop ASPs, thanks to inferior performance for which even near-monopoly status can't completely compensate.

Current Semprons have 64-bit disabled, but AMD can switch it on in newly packaged parts at a moment's notice.

Bingo. By releasing-for-review the 840EE, Intel could claim (to clueless journos) that they were "first to x86 dual core".

Other than removing heat, I think they will illustrate "venice-like overclocking", unless the transistor mix has been changed to trade heat for speed. The 3.3GHz vapochill overclock at very low added voltage (1.48v) suggests *excellent* overclocking.

LOL.

AMD Launch Partner Velocity Micro Introduces AMD Athlon(TM) 64 X2 Based Systems

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050531/dctu009.html?.v=12

The Athlon(TM) 64 X2 will give substantial performance benefits to Velocity Micro's core constituency of digital media enthusiasts, who can expect to order systems from Velocity Micro's new line of AMD dual core processor based systems at velocitymicro.com in the near future.

You might want to wait a day or so. :)

Chips are due into one disti on 6/7.

I'd expect systems from some OEMs in June. Velocity Micro seems to be gunning for early business.

Well, the first part was already known (4000+ is the last SC A64 (non-FX) speed grade, unless plans change... that was mentioned back in April). The second also makes sense, although I expect there are plans, but they are for next year. But that's the marketing-speak equivalent.

The FX-57 should be out within a month or two at 2.8GHz, along with the x54 SC Opterons.

Lenovo, HP, Acer, etc. launching X2 machines.

http://news.com.com/AMD+to+unveil+dual-core+desktop+chips/2100-1006_3-5723507.html?tag=nefd.top

(Warning: Kanellos article, expect pro-Intel bias.)

but who cares if there won't be any app's for another 2-3 years

Good thing that isn't true, then.

Did you notice the "whoooping" that Intel's 6xx and 5xx parts take on that multithreaded benchmark?

Or the "whoooping" that Intel's DC parts take from AMD's DC parts?

To summarize:

On single-threaded benchmarks:

AMD's single *and* dual core parts handily beat Intel's single core parts, and destroy Intel's dual core parts.

On multi-threaded benchmarks:

AMD's DC parts seriously whoop Intel's DC parts, beat AMD's SC parts significantly (as one would expect), and crush Intel's SC parts.

Your IPF predictions have been laughable, so I guess that's about right. Keep up the comedy!

Why are you here, then?

Some folks never tire of spitting into the wind.

Xbit says C&Q was DISabled:

As for Athlon 64, it is a few times less power-hungry here. And the remarkable thing is that we tested it with Cool’n’Quiet disabled!

Even so:





I look forward to wbmw's spin on this one.

Duh.

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=X2+4400%2B&btnG=Search+Froogle

Several listings indicate June 7 ETA.

Sour grapes? :)

LOL! Changing your tune, eh, wbmw?

Intel forced nothing. If anything, AMD forced Intel to embarrass themselves with the low volume hacked-together stinker known as Smithfield.

Single core... dual core... desktop.... server....

The only place Intel has any performance or power advantage left is in 32-bit single-core mobile parts.

Nope. Launching May 31, distributors get them June 7. As for the 820, not until June 22, at the same disti.

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

The more important thing is revenue share, but if you are really concerned with participating in the Celeron-server space, 1xx Opteron moving to socket 939 should help.

It's only some small agency not purchasing them for themselves, not all of Japan. That, I could believe.

It was a US-only thing, and this must be the 20th time Keith has repeated it.