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Yea .. If Sweeney and all the other judges keep making these comments seemingly against the Gov. Why is it taking so long to make a ruling?
See that's what's idiotic about this whole debacle, these judges, congress ( esp. Corker ) ect... Why do they care if shareholders ( who are also taxpayers) and a couple of hedge funds ( which are also made up of taxpayers) make money on the market . Isn't that what the market is for ? No one says anything when Corker makes money from the hedge funds he's invested in .
Absolutely!!!
I just hate reading some of the comments that say current lawsuits should focus on the preferred's and to let the hedge funds fight the battles for the commons .
War tactics 101 ... If your enemy is united , disperse them ...
All shareholders need to fight together regardless of class (I.e .. Common, preferred..ect...) in order to be truly victorious!
I seriously would like to see the numbers that prove that 40% of new home buyers are paying all cash !
Exactly !!!! Some people were saying he did this so that he could buy more shares , which is nonsense , if he wanted more shares he would have bought more than a measly 16 shares !
I'm long fnf... But I'm sorry I don't see this judge recusing himself positive . IMO just the fact that he bought a measly 16 shares means that he looked at this quagmire of a situation and perhaps wants the rule of law prevail but sees the gov. pressure to rule otherwise and figures he'd be better off sitting this one out . Pretty sad in my book!!
That is the truest statement today !!
Yea ... And in creating this new (but same ) corporation you are screwing the current "private investors " and then asking them to back you up again!!!! This whole thing is stupid.
My bad ... I had to re-read your comment I thought you were supporting that wast of space ..
I really hope that comment is sarcastic...
Thanks !!!
I'm starting to wonder why gselinks.com hasn't updated since Monday ... Maybe to much stuff happening.
That's funny !!! We now see congress distancing themselves from mr. Parrots damaging emails , it's time to run out of the burning building folks .
Much obliged !! Thanks zargis
Why isn't anyone talking about the BAnk of America fine to fnma being overturned?? And what it means for our cases against the gov. ?
That's some funny mess right there .... Shout out to Bird man !!! Respek !!!!
Exactly!!! You should have typed that in all capital letters
To the contrary my friend ... What he did was quite tacky and a bit desperate!! He seemed fixated on how much the hedge funds stand to make if the twins get released, as if that matters . The next time any of his investments are about to make money someone should block him at all costs . At any rate you must have seen a different video because everyone else saw a calm and composed "Fancy suit" explain that preserving the GSE's is what's good for America including the "tax payers " so again nice try but alas another FAIL !!!
Part of what you say is correct . But I must disagree with you , not everyone who bought shares after c-ship should be classified as greedy , many became aware of the situation and both understand the value of the gse,s and recognize a good investment opportunity . And after all isn't that the point of investing to make money ! Now as far as greed goes , if these post c-ship investors are not going on sites like these and trying to con others out of their shares in efforts to increase their amount of shares or other similar actions to gain more at all cost then greed doesn't apply my friend and it is my humble opinion that we as investors must refrain from alienating each other . Jmo
955 !!! My hats off to you my friend ... Excellent point .. NOT FOR PROFIT .... INDEED !!!!
Indeed !!! And at the same time by considering the framing of each case helps all to keep in mind what's at stake and to help the non -lawyer investors and non-technical investor not be swayed by disingenuous journalists and the like that would have us all believe that this is a lost cause that should be avoided at all cost . And also helps us to see that it's not the shareholders in this case that are greedy but in fact what they want is to be made whole and at the same time build up housing industry and economy in general while not excluding anyone vs. the current narrative which wants to exclude shareholders and decimate the general housing industry.
Best gse article I've read to date
Why Framing Is Important In Valuing GSE Litigation $FNMA
http://www.seekingalpha.com/article/3956304
It's truly funny how two people can see a judgment and come up with two completely different summations as to the effects that said judgment will have . Thanks Carney ( sarcasm intended)
Thank you sir !!! Easy to understand
I love those numbers , but I'm still trying to wrap my head around them ..
Yes I thought that info was interesting.. Sorta seems like the Gov's dealings with the GSE's is a conflict of interest !!!!
BUSINESS INSIDER
Another mortgage crisis might be just around the corner
Reuters/Reuters PhotographerDonald Duck peaks around the corner at the start of a Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony, in Los Angeles, California.
The U.S. could be headed for a new mortgage crisis by this summer, believes one analyst. Richard X. Bove, Vice President of Equity Research at Rafferty Capital Markets, said in a report dated March 1 that it’s looking increasingly likely that we will see one. He highlighted how much control the government now has over the nation’s mortgage markets and explained how this could be a recipe for disaster.
U.S. government controls the mortgage markets
Bove pointed out that the U.S. government now insures one-fourth of all new residential mortgage loans and purchases one-sixth of all residential mortgage loans issued. Further, government-sponsored enterprises Fannie May, Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae own or ensure three-fifths of all current outstanding mortgages in the country, and the problem is getting worse and worse every quarter, he said.
He added that the government continues to increase its direct ownership of the mortgages as well, suggesting that we could see a whole new mortgage crisis characterized by the government getting too deeply entrenched in it.
Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac rule the roost
Bove notes that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac together either own or insure 45.9% of the mortgage market right now, amounting to $4.6 trillion in total. In 2009, the two government-sponsored enterprises owned or insured 41.9% of the market. Following Fannie and Freddie is the private sector in terms of size, as he said it controls 38.8% of outstanding mortgages, amounting to $3.9 trillion.
Ginnie Mae is wholly owned by the government, and although it currently sits at the bottom of the mortgage market in terms of size, he said it’s the fastest growing. Currently it holds 15.2% of the market at $1.5 trillion worth of mortgages. In 2009, its share was only 5.7%. In fact, Bove said Ginnie is growing so rapidly that it’s stealing market share not only from the private sector but also from Freddie and Fannie as well.
U.S. government keeps intervening
Further, he said the government keeps intervening in the mortgage payment insurance industry through three main agencies: the Federal Housing Administration, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Department of Agriculture. The FHA’s share of the market nearly doubled from 2004 to 2015 from 23.6% to 40.6%, and the agency has made sure to keep its iron grip on the market. Bove said that in 2014, its market share started to decline, and then in January 2015, the agency slashed its rates by 50 basis points to gain back the share it lost.
The Department of Veterans Affairs has seen its market share slip slightly over the last 11 years from 23.7% in 2004 to 22.8% last year. Mortgage insurers in the private sector are the ones giving up market share, he added. In 2004, they held a 66.6% share, but by 2015, private insurers’ share of the market had been sliced just about in half to 33.8%. One bright area Bove noted though is that they are beginning to come back after bottoming out at a 14.9% share in 2009.
Wikimedia CommonsA row of homes in Kansas City.
Insured mortgage payments reach a 100-year high
So exactly how did the government gain such a dominant position in the mortgage industry? For one thing, he noted that in the last mortgage crisis, officials established some programs to help homeowners who were about to default on their loans. Second, he said the government changed the banking rules, causing banks to pull away from mortgage origination.
Third, he said the government pushed mortgages from Freddie and Fannie back to the banks and then started reneging on the guarantees set through the FHA. And fourth, he said it allowed brokers and bankers to steal share from banks in mortgage origination. This last one is a big problem because brokers quickly discovered that the fastest way to get mortgages approved was through the FHA, and then to get it off their balance sheets quickly, they sold them to Ginnie.
A new mortgage crisis sparked by the government’s involvement?
Bove suggests that the current setup with the government dominating the mortgage industry isn’t sustainable. For one thing, it has ruled that Fannie and Freddie must not have any capital by the end of 2017 by taking all of their earnings, plus more, each quarter. This sparked a feud between Fannie and Freddie shareholders and the government as they fought back in an attempt to protect their investments. However, they have been unsuccessful and as a result, both GSEs have essentially become insolvent, said Bove, which contributes to his view that a mortgage crisis could be imminent.
Mark Wilson/Getty ImagesFannie Mae
The Rafferty analyst believes the mortgage market is too comfortable with the government’s controldespite Fannie’s and Freddie’s insolvency. He said lenders assume that both GSEs’ debt is guaranteed by the government’s credit, but it’s unclear that this is actually true. He added that it’s unclear that the government would even honor the debt if a crisis occurs.
True, the GSEs can draw down money from the U.S. Treasury after their equity runs out, and their respective managements insist that this will protect all that debt. Bove questions whether they will actually be able to borrow from the Treasury, however, even though they have the right to do so, and a mortgage crisis could result.
“What would happen if the politicians heard that the Treasury had bankrupted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?” he queried.
He believes that if either of them sought money from the government during election season, it would turn into an “explosive issue.”
“I do not believe that the current Administration could defend its actions in bankrupting both companies or in driving them into insolvency,” he concluded. “The whole government approach to financial stabilization, which is now not trusted because bank stocks are plunging, would be called into question. Time is ticking on the GSE issue because they are totally incapable of meeting their obligations if the country slips into recession – and Mel Watt, the GSE regulator knows it.
“If Fannie and Freddie seek more money from the government, the lynch pin will have been pulled on the government owned mortgage markets. The little boy will have pulled his finger out of the dyke and housing will be inundated.”
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New article covering the GSE struggle!!!!
http://www.businessinsider.com/another-mortgage-crisis-might-be-coming-2016-3
Agreed !!! I think your post should be in all capital letters and reposted !!
What I'm really waiting for is the mother of all short squeezes
Exactly !!!!!
Why isn't this thing running ??? The bid is more than 9x's the ask .. Gotta love the OTC (sarcasm intended ! )
Yea but you folks need to remember that trump cares about trump ,not the people he feels are below him . Will he care about The Gse hijack ?? Only if he benefits from restoring them , not for the "taxpayers "
The treasury. In the name of helping the "taxpayers "
This is the reason we are in this mess !! Uninformed people who have a voice to influence more uniformed people... The second I hear someone say that Fannie and Freddie were making bad loans ... I stop reading , do they even know who or what the GSE's do ??? I truly believe we need an even louder more informed voice to advocate for "taxpayers " !!
Don't get me wrong I am long FNMA but I don't understand this $799 pps reasoning, even the illustrious GOOGLE isn't trading that high ! Heck in the GSE's hay day it was a $80-$90 dollar tier stock how on gods green earth is it going to hit $800 !
Indeed !!!!!!
I don't think the term "nailed it " applied in this situation especially if he is the guy writing articles, blogs,and making statements that directly influence the pps. The proper term would be " manipulated it "