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Why don't you post a picture of you finding coins or documents to prove you found them?
I'll go with this from a proven group. I'm thinking it could be potentially profitable.
He said he showed what he had to the Mel Fisher salvage group, and was told whatever’s there potentially is worth $4 billion to $5 billion,”because of the size of the ship and the age of the ship and what ships of those era carried.”
Anyway the focus is on melbourne so no need to worry raider.
I know melbourne is the deal but here is another write up on Juno. I still think it's worth permitting again.
16-century ship off Juno Beach might lie near sub artificial reef site
LOCAL By Eliot Kleinberg - Palm Beach Post Staff Writer 1
Kyle Kennedy, part of a group that found a 16th century Spanish galleon offshore a few years ago, stands near the Juno Beach Pier on January 20, 2017. (Richard Graulich / The Palm Beach Post)
Posted: 5:43 p.m. Friday, January 20, 2017
JUNO BEACH —
Palm Beach County agreed this month to pay $1 million toward the sinking of a Cold War-era sub off Juno Beach.
But another ship’s already there.
Or, at least, around the spot where the USS Clamagore would be sunk as Florida’s only submarine artificial reef if the private firm handling it can raise another $3 million. The 320-foot “Gray Ghost of the Florida Coast,” could be dropped perhaps as early as this summer as the newest addition to the county’s renowned 150-plus piece artificial reef program.
Tampa-based Seafarer Explorations says it has found debris from a Spanish galleon that went down in the 16th century and left treasure that could be worth billions.
When Seafarer CEO Kyle Kennedy read news reports saying the Clamagore’s resting place would be in 90 feet of water, about 1-1/2 miles off the Juno Beach Fishing Pier, that sure sounded like it would be in the 7-square-mile area, from about a half-mile northeast of the Juno Beach Pier to about 2-1/2 miles south, where courts have granted him rights to the ocean floor.
Not so, says Dan Bates, deputy director of the county’s Department of Environmental Resources Management.
“It may be that we’re adjacent to each other,” Bates said Friday. He said his site is on state lands and the county already has a permit to drop a reef there.
“We’ve had that for a long time. It’s one of our longest permanent sites,” he said.
“Then it must be a slightly different location,” Kennedy said Friday on hearing Bates’ comments. But he said he still worries about being too close to the sub.
“If it’s outside my area there’s nothing I can do about it.,” Kennedy said. But, he said, “when you have a lot of divers, they start looting that stuff.”
Kennedy said he’s not worried about losing any treasures, which would be buried under up to 23 feet of shifting sand. But he said other items that have just historic value — no less priceless— could end up on someone’s living room shelf.
“There’s plenty of room in the ocean,” Kennedy said Friday. “We just want to protect what we have.”
Kennedy first heard of his shipwreck’s possible existence from an amateur diver several years ago. He and the diver eventually split and Kennedy, in court, won full rights to whatever is found there now and in the future. Treasure salvagers are monitored by the state Bureau of Archaeology, which gets 20 percent of the value of the treasure, including its pick of the most archaeologically valuable finds.
Kennedy said he’s spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in research, including trips to Seville to view the archives of Spain’s American colonies. Also: visits to France and seven trips to Cuba. He still can’t find anything that would show the ship’s name, travel time, route, crew, or cargo. But, he said, “there’s absolutely a ship that sank there.”
He’s confident it’s there, and it’s Spanish, and from the 1550s to 1570s, and that the ship anchored during a storm and then was dragged toward shore and eventually sank.
That’s because the anchor’s still there, the cannonballs are linked to a specific period and Seafarer has found 1,000 items whose era can be determined.
“Nails, barrel rings, pottery, cannon balls, musket balls, lead sheeting, (and) serpentine jade,” a type of stone used for ballast, Kennedy said.
But he’s also found pieces of what he said is priceless Ming-era china. And he believes he eventually will find gold, silver, emeralds, and perhaps more.
He said he showed what he had to the Mel Fisher salvage group, and was told whatever’s there potentially is worth $4 billion to $5 billion,”because of the size of the ship and the age of the ship and what ships of those era carried.”
Kennedy said he has years ahead of him before he realizes his dream. He said current scanners have found scores of iron items but any gold or silver can’t be spotted that far down. He said he hopes future technology will change that. He also said he doesn’t believe anyone else has recovered any of whatever’s buried way beneath the ocean floor; “if someone found something, they’d have said something.”
Stone cannon balls photographed by Kyle Kennedy, part of a group that found a 16th century Spanish galleon off of Juno Beach a few years ago. (photo provided)
Worth a repost for new comers wondering if it's worth renewing Juno.
Lots of things are in the works also.....
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Worth a repost about Juno raider. You have always said you need to find ballast stones, pottery ect.
Capted, I seem to remember a video also of them showing artifacts including olive jars. We discussed the tag that they showed that had #00360 or something like that on one of the pieces, unless that was Lantana. Here are some old pr's on Juno. I know site 3 is our number 1 project but going back and rereading pr's made me feel like it was worth a look back at Juno to see what was in the missing grid of mag hits when KK feels it appropriate.
TAMPA, Fla., Dec. 23, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Seafarer Exploration Corp. (OTCQB:SFRX) ), a company focused on the archaeologically-sensitive exploration, research, and recovery of historic shipwrecks, announced today that the Board of Trustees of the State of Florida has granted them a 5 year Sovereignty Submerged Lands Cultural Resource Recovery Easement for excavation of a shipwreck site located off of Juno Beach, FL. This important announcement completes the fourth and final requirement for Seafarer to continue its testing, exploration, and recovery work of the very promising shipwreck excavation at the Juno Beach site.
"I want to start by expressing my sincere gratitude to Ms. Sue Jones and others at the Bureau of Public Land Administration for their diligent and prompt delivery of the easement instrument," said Kyle Kennedy, CEO of Seafarer. "We are very encouraged by some of the materials we uncovered from the Juno Beach Site last week including some jade, ballast stones, musket balls and cannon balls. With the state's help, we also continue to pursue our permit for another site located along the coast of Florida and we continue to research and target site number 4."
Mr. Kyle Kennedy, expressed, "We feel very
honored to have such a highly regarded marine archeologist join our team.
His insight and experience should prove invaluable as we move forward on
our first project."
The Company is pleased to release the following list of artifacts from
the Company's shipwreck site: (all dates are A.D.):
1. Shard of Ming Dynasty China (circa 1640 or earlier)
2. Middle Style Spanish Pottery, known as "Olive Jar" (circa 1580-1680)
3. Three different calibers of Cannon balls (4 lbs., 8 lbs., 12 lbs.)
4. Stone Cannon balls, often found on earlier Spanish Galleons (circa 16th
and early 17th centuries)
5. Large iron Spanish Galleon style anchor (circa 16th to 18th century)
6. Large iron fasteners, through holes. These are identical to what was
found on the Atocha wreck of 1622.
7. Lead sheeting, protecting hulls from wood boring organisms. Lead
sheeting is typically Spanish in technique. (circa 16th to 18th
century)
8. Round iron lock (for a chest or vault), which was identical to examples
found on the Atocha wreck of 1622.
The above references to the Atocha refer to a Spanish Galleon shipwreck
called the Nuestra Senora de Atocha ("Our Lady of Atocha"). The Atocha was
a 550 ton Spanish Galleon ship, carrying approximately USD $400 million
worth of Spanish treasure in today's dollars. This treasure includes, but
is not limited to: gold coins, silver coins, gold bars, silver bars, gold
chains, emeralds, and pearls. Found by the late Mel Fisher in 1985, after
16 years of searching, the Atocha is located off the coast of Key West,
Florida.
Seafarer marine archaeologist, Mr. Jim Sinclair, commented, "The Juno
Beach shipwreck site is very exciting and promising, in that artifacts
recovered to date point to a Spanish shipwreck of the late 16th or early
17th century. The shard of Ming Dynasty China indicates contact and trade
with Manila Galleon vessels, which were bringing the treasures of Asia back
to Mexico and then on to Spain via the New Spain Fleet. The area is
directly adjacent to the main shipping route of Spanish vessels carrying
New World treasures back to Spain. Over the next 90 days of exploration, it
would be particularly encouraging to find artifacts of historic and
intrinsic value such as coinage or other forms of precious metal. We will
be working to identify the origin and possible identity of this vessel."
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Is this an area they haven't searched yet? I wonder how much of the total area they've searched and how much still needs to be searched?
Interesting. I wonder why no details? Glad they're finding stuff though.
That's the game Kyle has to play to get a recovery permit with the state. Same as gme lol.....who is failing because old school approach to politics.
Lots of treasure salvors struggle with this so KK is trying the correct route imo
It only takes a few hours to mag the wreck they're on lol
Must be well preserved and intact in that mud.....
"Two or three hundred yards?"
You don't know raider? Lol
What do you know about the new captain?
I haven't been following so just curious after checking in
Actually it's been a great trader with a real chance of finding treasure....all you can ask for here in pinkies land.
I might add a few more shares this week...
Bottom line is if SFRX finds treasure the stock price will rise no matter where they are in the permitting process. If you were an investor you would understand that the most important part of investing is making money....
Ok then. I'm not doing the run around with you because you don't like one of SFRX's attorney's.
Back to my original question. Has any investors here watched operations lately? I'm heading down in September and may stop by again and check it out.
"Kyle said they don't but the Palm Beach Post, who quoted Kyle said they do."
I have no idea what you're referring to or what time period your talking about but......
I'd be inclined to believe what Kyle says more than a newspaper but if you really want to know call Kyle and ask. I find you can get the most up to date info that way as long as it's legal for him to talk about. And for the record again & again & again & again...............................I only care about operations and treasure.....got it?
Any investors been out to observe operations lately?
Saw that..
Generally the best time to add...
I've done my own DD and suggest to any potential new investors to do the same.
What I am saying is permits aren't a problem. Finding anything valuable is where the focus should be.
Mr Kennedy is a permit getting machine. I have no doubt that he can get it. Let them find some treasure or anything historically valuable and then you will see.
Mr Kennedy will get the recovery permit when needed. Getting permits is Mr Kennedy's strong suit on the team he has put together.
Great news this is a huge deal coming to fruition
QEDN
For anyone checking SFRX out the state of Florida has always had their choice of 20% of any treasure finds in Florida waters with 80 % going to the finders. That's assuming you follow all the rules unlike heartland did when they started halling a bunch of silver platters up. Do your own DD and you will see that.
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Same here true...lots of possibilities!
Agree TB.
Absolute best scenario for SFRX! KK did another great job with this..
Well played! Much more to come.
Looking better everyday here. Folks should take advantage of the dips.
They were small is the reason I ask.
Do you think the artifacts found by heartland were magged targets or they just found them looking around the areas of mag hits? Probably no way to know for sure but what's your opinion?
I disagree...the technology today is much better and I believe it should take less time...
"Fisher looked for treasure for 16 years before he found the first traces of the Atocha site in 1971. Burnside said it turned out the scatter field from the wreck stretched 11 miles long, and was less than 100 feet wide."
Here's to success on/under the oceans floor. Hope the mud isn't to bad...
I know the current site is the main deal for SFRX but I missed this article last year and thought it was a good read.
Emerald Wreck is Gem of Jersey ShoreShy Savannah is Sanctuary for Shipwrecks ?
Juno Beach Galleon Embroiled in Permit Battle
Posted on August 31, 2016 by Ellsworth Boyd
Is the Juno Beach wreck the "last galleon"?
Is the Juno Beach wreck the “last galleon”?
When Nelson Waite, a commercial diver searching for fish and lobsters off Juno Beach, Florida, discovered what was later identified as one of the oldest Spanish wrecks in our waters, he wasn’t too impressed. In fact, he thought the artifact—an anchor with a 12-foot shank and large flukes—was from a relatively recent vessel. It appeared too elongated and wasn’t extremely covered with marine growth. He gave it one more glance as he glided by on his diver propulsion vehicle, then left and never thought about it until 10 years later.
In 1987, Waite read about the San Miguel de Arcangel, a Spanish treasure ship sunk in 1660 that was found by Jupiter Beach lifeguard Peter Leo while snorkeling during his lunch break. The 10 to 15-foot-deep shallow water discovery was just one mile north of Waite’s 80-foot-deep find, prompting him to return for a closer look. “I didn’t have the luxury of a lot of bottom time like Leo did on the Jupiter wreck,” Waite said, “but it was worth a try when I uncovered pottery shards, ballast rocks, lead sheathing and a large wooden beam similar to those on old Spanish ships.”
Juno Beach Wreck Anchor
Juno Beach Wreck Anchor
The Cleveland, Ohio, native who settled in Florida in 1970, wasted no time telling a friend, Judd Laird, who had the time and money to proceed with the next step. Laird contacted two widely acclaimed maritime authorities: the late Peter Throckmorton—designated “dean of underwater archaeology”—and Duncan Mathewson—the archaeologist who helped find the late Mel Fisher’s treasure galleon, Nuestra Senora de Atocha. Upon examination of the site and artifacts, the experts determined it was from the late 1500s, one of the oldest Spanish wrecks in the western Hemisphere.
Laird called it “the last galleon” when he submitted the claim in his name. Historically, it was the last federal Admiralty claim of a Spanish vessel just before passage of the Abandoned Shipwreck Act (ASA) which gives states all rights to shipwreck salvage within three miles of their shorelines. Admiralty law, sometimes referred to as federal maritime law, favors salvors by giving them more control over their discoveries without the bullying they claim to get from state officials under the ASA. Most salvors scorned the Act from the get-go when it was passed. (See “Federal Versus State Law in Maritime Cases,” Pacific Maritime Magazine, September, 2010). Although the state must adhere to federal guidelines, it still receives 20 per cent of any valued artifacts and remains responsible for issuing the search permit. In essence, it boils down to concurrent federal/state jurisdiction over the search site.
Archaeologist Duncan Mathewson (right) poses with Mel Fisher who holds treasure from Atocha. Mathewson surveyed the Juno Beach wreck site.
Archaeologist Duncan Mathewson (right) poses with Mel Fisher who holds treasure from Atocha. Mathewson surveyed the Juno Beach wreck site.
Laird named his company TULCO after the ancient capital of the Aztecs. With Waite, he opened JESCO: Juno Educational Shipwreck Conservation Organization, a working lab and small museum in Jupiter. Shea McLean, an archaeologist from Florida State University, who helped in the preservation lab said,” The cooperation between the salvors and the state was outstanding and served as an example for others to follow.” He praised archaeology interns who pieced together hundreds of shards from olive jars.
As time passed, Laird couldn’t afford to continue running JESCO and donated everything to various state museums. Years slipped by until he ran into Lyle Kennedy, CEO of Seafarers Exploration Corp., a salvage firm based in Tampa, Florida. For more than 20 years, Kennedy conducted business through companies that offered securities’ sales, trading and investment banking services. In 2008, he decided to try his luck in search of treasure. He had money to invest and Laird and his last galleon appeared workable. Waite dropped out and Laird joined Kennedy’s Seafarers group, a short-lived union that ended up in court. Seafarers sub-contracted the site from TULCO and Kennedy got the salvage permit from the state of Florida which was good for three years. Laird was displeased with the transaction and fought it, but unfortunately couldn’t follow through. He died in 2013.
Juno Beach Wreck Anchor
Juno Beach Wreck Anchor
At this point, almost 30 years had passed since the discovery of the last galleon, now known as the Juno Beach wreck. Why couldn’t it resurface? (pun intended). In a frustrating attempt to find the answer, this writer spent a week trying to get through to somebody in the state’s archaeology department, Division of Historical Resources, Tallahassee, Florida. Finally, a call from Dr. Mary Glowacki, Bureau of Archaeological Research, disclosed that the permit had expired due to no activity in the area and everything “was now under state stewardship and inactive Admiralty arrest.”
“Not so!” exclaimed Kennedy who responded immediately to my call. “We were magging (metal detecting) it less than a year ago. The state permit expired, but we paid $3,500 to a U.S. Marshal to arrest the site to us in the Admiralty claim.” He says Seafarers was awarded the entire site by a federal judge, but the state was slow to recognize this and put it in their appropriate legal terminology.” Kennedy added, “We follow proper principles and guidelines and have a team of experienced archaeologists working with us.” He likes to call his claim “a lottery ticket that never runs out.”
As the bureaucratic battle continues over jurisdiction, the Juno Beach wreck remains somewhere offshore buried in the sand. Or does it? The debris field hasn’t revealed any significant finds…no cannons, no treasure so far. But two ships of the 1715 Spanish treasure fleet, possibly sunk in the area, have never been found. Is the Juno Beach wreck lost forever or will it ascend from its grave like the mythical Phoenix rose from its ashes? Will the lottery ticket run out or be cashed in? Only time will tell.
Yes it is finally!
They have proven they can find artifacts and tresure. Let's hope this area is loaded!
Seafarer Exploration Corp. Discovers Silver Treasure Coins at Salvage Site
Marketwire MarketwireSeptember 13, 2011
TAMPA, FL--(Marketwire -09/13/11)- Seafarer Exploration Corp. (OTC.BB: SFRX.OB - News), a company focused on the archaeologically-sensitive exploration and recovery of historic shipwrecks, announced today that it has recently discovered a few small silver coins and pieces of coins off of Juno Beach, Florida. Seafarer has also located other interesting artifacts in the area. Seafarer, along with Tulco Resources, Ltd., has a three year permit from the State of Florida Bureau of Archaeological Research to perform recovery operations in a specified permit area off of Juno Beach.
Rachel Murrell, a diving archaeologist for Seafarer who found three of the silver coins, said, "Since receiving our salvage permit, we've approached the site from a different angle with different salvage techniques and it is beginning to pay off. We have been able to overcome obstacles and have discovered some incredible artifacts including several coins and coin pieces. I am excited to see what else our salvage site will yield in the future."
John Fitzgerald, the lead archaeologist for Seafarer, noted, "After the appropriate conservation and cleaning procedures were completed, it was determined the first silver coin found (artifact #00216) is part of a silver coin minted in Mexico between the years of 1572 and 1733. The only markings visible on the obverse side of this coin are the upper portion of the shield with the left upper box containing a castle. This castle represents the province of Castile in Spain and, along with the lion that would normally be to the right of the castle, represents the province of Leon, Spain. Together they symbolize the two provinces joining to become a united Spain. All of the Spanish Coats of Arms used as shields on the obverse side of Spanish coins, known as 'cobs,' from the year 1556 to 1746 have the castle in the upper right corner."
Fitzgerald continued, "On the reverse side of the coin one can just make out a portion of a Florenzada cross. This type of cross was only used by the Mexico mint on silver coins between 1572 and 1733. The Cruz Florenzada or 'Flowered Cross' can be identified by the ball at the pinnacle of the arms of the cross."
Kyle Kennedy, CEO of Seafarer Exploration, said, "We are pleased with the discovery of these coins and we believe that we are just getting started. Mr. Fitzgerald is studying the other coins for additional clues to help determine the history behind them. Additionally, we have located several other artifacts, including what appears to be part of the ship's tiller and a hollowed out cannonball that may potentially be an early grenade type weapon. These artifacts and others allow us to speculate that we may be retrieving items from the upper deck. We will continue working diligently to continue to explore this exciting area in an effort to further the public's knowledge of the history of the site and we look forward to our next discovery in our quest to build shareholder value."
About Seafarer Exploration Corp. (www.seafarercorp.com)
Forecast as of 3:58 am EDT on May 7, 2017
Volusia-Brevard County Line To Sebastian Inlet 0-20 Nm-
Today
Northwest winds 5 to 10 knots becoming northeast early in the afternoon, then becoming southeast 10 knots late in the afternoon. Seas 2 to 3 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters.
Tonight
South winds 10 knots becoming southwest 5 to 10 knots after midnight. Seas 2 to 3 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds. Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters.
Monday
North winds 5 to 10 knots becoming northeast in the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters.
Monday Night
Northeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters.
Tuesday
East winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet. A light chop on the intracoastal waters.
Tuesday Night
Southeast winds 10 to 15 knots becoming southwest after midnight. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Wednesday
South winds 5 to 10 knots becoming southeast in the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Wednesday Night
South winds 10 knots becoming west 5 to 10 knots after midnight. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Thursday
West winds 5 to 10 knots becoming southwest in the afternoon. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Volusia-Brevard County Line To Sebastian Inlet 0-20 Nm-
Today
Southwest winds around 20 knots becoming west in the afternoon. Seas 3 to 4 feet with a dominant period 4 seconds. Choppy on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
Tonight
West winds 20 to 25 knots. Seas 3 to 5 feet with a dominant period 4 seconds. Very rough on the intracoastal waters.
Saturday
West winds 20 to 25 knots diminishing to 10 to 15 knots in the afternoon. Seas 3 to 5 feet with a dominant period 6 seconds. Rough on the intracoastal waters.
Saturday Night
West winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. A light chop on the intracoastal waters.
Sunday
West winds 5 to 10 knots becoming east 10 to 15 knots in the afternoon. Seas 2 to 3 feet. A moderate chop on the intracoastal waters.
Sunday Night
South winds 10 to 15 knots becoming west 5 to 10 knots after midnight. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Monday
Northwest winds 5 to 10 knots becoming northeast in the afternoon. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Monday Night
Northeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet.
Tuesday
Northeast winds 5 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Wow first time i've seen 1 to 2 ft on the water conditions in a while. Getting closer here folks!
Forecast as of 4:28 am EDT on May 3, 2017
Volusia-Brevard County Line To Sebastian Inlet 0-20 Nm-
Today
Northeast winds 5 to 10 knots becoming east 10 to 15 knots in the late morning and afternoon. Seas 2 to 3 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds. A moderate chop on the intracoastal waters.
Tonight
East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 3 to 4 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters.
Thursday
Southeast winds 10 to 15 knots increasing to 15 to 20 knots in the afternoon. Seas 3 to 4 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds. Choppy on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon.
Thursday Night
South winds 15 to 20 knots. Seas 3 to 4 feet. Choppy on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
Friday
West winds 15 to 20 knots diminishing to 10 to 15 knots in the afternoon. Seas 3 to 4 feet. Choppy on the intracoastal waters. Showers likely and slight chance of thunderstorms in the morning, then chance of showers in the afternoon.
Friday Night
West winds 15 to 20 knots. Seas 3 to 4 feet.
Saturday
West winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 3 to 4 feet.
Saturday Night
Northwest winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Sunday
Northwest winds 5 to 10 knots becoming northeast in the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Almost history hunting season, stay tuned folks.
Thanks, great update!
Hearing the same!
GNPT