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It's "crooks". And not a big deal, as this was already approved by shareholders. If you're concerned about the timing, well, there's generally a small window after earnings for this stuff.
upc
the "top 5" in what sense?
Here's a link for you: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3390252
Why do you think Intel (and Transmeta) are scrambling to add NX? Why is Microsoft pushing it? I guess they're all wrong, and you know better? <ggg>
upc
My guess is you're too far out on the 64-bit Dothan timeframe. Intel has no doubt been pursuing this since early this year. I'd say Q2/Q3 05 is more likely for a single core part than Q1 06.
I can't wait to see Nocona iAMD64 performance. I suspect it will leave something to be desired.
upc
Yes, let's be realistic. A *large* percentage of the attacks are of that type. I understand that you feel the need to downplay the importance of NX, at least until Intel manages to get it into Prescott and Dothan.
upc
You've been posting a lot of incorrect information lately. You should probably acknowledge your errors before rushing to declare that the false assertion in question didn't matter anyway.
To the matter at hand, it certainly is of consequence that all Noconas and Prescotts for sale in Q3 will lack NX support.
On the day of the SP2 launch in two weeks, only AMD parts will support it. Intel will be left saying, "we'll have that next quarter, at least in our non-mobile parts".
Furthermore, at the start of Q4, when the NX parts are finally available, there will still be non-NX parts in the channel. Prices will need to come down on those, relative to the NX parts.
And Dothan will not have NX for some time. That is important, too.
EDIT: And with Intel flailing and needing to launch 130nm Northwoods and EE parts on LGA775, *those* parts will not have NX either.
upc
That had no bearing. That was a 3.6 P4E vs. 3.4 P4EE. No suprise that the EE wins.
upc
mas, did you mean Intel's price cuts will slow down? When was the last time Intel increased prices on anything? (In your #1)
upc
Too bad none of the Socket-478 Prescotts, nor the 130nm Northwood and EE parts they're readying for release support iAMD64 or NX.
upc
wbmw has been making a large number of so-called "moot" (i.e. incorrect) assertions lately...
"Current Prescotts can have 64-bit 'enabled' at some point in the future"
"Nocona has NX virus protection"
etc., etc.
upc
So... "moot" = "I was wrong" ?
One wonders how many other assertions you've made would be considered "moot" upon challenge.
upc
Again, not true. Nocona does not have NX yet.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/30/intel_nocona_nx/
upc
but they are in Nocona. Not true.
NX ("XD") is not in Nocona yet, nor Prescott. Not until the E0 stepping in late September, October, respectively.
upc
Intel falls back on 130nm parts (!)
90nm Prescott is cursed.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=20366621
upc
golfbum: enuf yourself!
Intel sometimes makes freebie systems which they place with customers themselves, not through oems.
upc
AMD is not the motherboard manufacturer, so any costs are likely not being paid by them.
upc
And when they return the freebie Intel I2 evaluation system to Intel, what value does Intel then derive from it? And when Intel leaves the freebie evaluation system with a customer who doesn't want to pay?
upc
His point was Intel doesn't make I2 systems for sale
directly to an end user. Therefore no one would ever get
a machine for evaluation from Intel.
You have an interesting definition of 'therefore', considering your second sentence is false.
upc
Best not to buy Prescotts or Xeons until Q4.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=20366296
Otherwise, you'll have wasted your money on a part without NX hardware virus protection.
Nocona gets this in late September.
Prescott sometime later in October.
All Athlon64s, Opterons, Mobile Athlon64s, Mobile Semprons, and the Sempron 3100+ have supported NX from day 1.
upc
Ah, okay then. :) Would you agree that the increasingly large amount of time (and number of steppings) with little progress doesn't augur well for future improvement on this design/process combination?
upc
You're most welcome.
Where did you hear/read that Intel doesn't make Itanium systems, or did you just make it up?
In other words, was your source mistaken, or did you have no source for your claim?
upc
Kathy, I guess that means Intel is selling a lot of refurbished I2 systems, then.
upc
Nope. I have a friend at a tier2 (one that's done a lot of Itanium HPC business, actually). There may be links out there, try google.
upc
EDIT: This information is about 6 months old. The point is that Intel is most definitely in the business of assembling and testing Itanium 2 systems, and for a period of time, the only thing non-HP vendors could buy were these barebones Intel-assembled bundles.
I don't believe that intel makes any I2 systems.
You would be wrong, then. In fact, for any tier 2/3 player, the only way to get I/I2 parts has been as part of an Intel built-and-tested system bundle.
upc
Right, you send it back. And then what happens? Does Intel sell its customers USED I2 systems? Or are those USED I2 systems then junk?
upc
I have never seen any evidence of any Intel I2 freebies
at any time although a few people have tried to make this
claim.
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20031208corp_a.htm
SANTA CLARA, Calif., Dec. 8, 2003 - With its Intel® Itanium® 2 processor boasting record-setting performance, several operating systems and the availability of 1,000 applications, Intel Corporation is challenging companies to compare Intel Itanium 2-based servers head-to-head against proprietary systems during a free trial period [...]
it looks like IPF freebies now only exist in the
overactive imagination of a few FBs.
Looks like IPF FBs have their blinders on.
upc
I still think Intel is speculating about 4GHz in Q1. What gives them any confidence that their binsplits will improve from Q4 to Q1? They've been trying to produce Prescott on their 90nm process since last Q3 or earlier. They've been through steppings A, B, C, D, and now apparently know that the E stepping will not get them to reasonable 4GHz yields by December. Why should some theoretical stepping F manage any better? If it were only 6 or 9 months in, I'd say they had a better shot, but they've been working on it for over 1 year as of NOW, and moved from 3.2 GHz to 3.4 GHz (with the occasional 3.6GHz part).
I guess they could always fall back to water cooling / overvolting by Q1 05, in a real pinch.
upc
It certainly is a much better part than Prescott, although it currently has weak FP, no AMD64, no NX.
upc
New Windows 64 beta on Monday.
Look down further in your article.
upc
he has no idea, as he's not a process guy. (eom)
Thank god Opteron blows away Xeon in 32-bit performance too, then.
upc
perhaps dense caches are leaky caches at higher clockspeeds?
Not true. Intel hiding performance data for a released part is most definitely circumstantial evidence of lackluster performance for said part. Or do you think Intel marketing/PR has suddenly taken a turn for the worse?
upc
Good job. Exactly right, and applicable here. Read closely:
Evidence: No Intel Nocona 64-bit performance PR
Attendant Circumstance: Intel is ashamed of Nocona 64-bit performance.
Fact in dispute: Intel Nocona 64-bit performance sucks.
Now, plug these in to your definition. See? Easy.
upc
Didn't last long, did it? (eom)
with the usual hacks lol
What does that mean?
Win Xp 64 is beta...til 1st half next year of course...
Exactly, but anyone buying a new server should be somewhat forward looking. That's why benchmarks are important if a major OS upgrade is coming within the year.
And finally, why should anyone who knows not be able to comment? Nocona was launched on June 28, no?
upc
Yes, we have one website saying it sucks, but what else do we have?
A TOTAL and COMPLETE absence of benchmarks from Intel more than 1 month after the part launched. If it were at all competitive, Intel would be advertising its performance. They aren't. That's circumstantial evidence. Do you know what that is?
upc
Intel CEO sets caps-lock key for next irate memo
LOL!!!
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/gmsv/9283262.htm
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"This is not the Intel we all know." That's what CEO Craig Barrett wrote in a recent companywide memo reprimanding employees for the delays and production missteps that have plagued the chip manufacturing giant in the past year (see "Intel CEO: The buck stops there"). But after the company's most recent announcement, I bet even Barrett is wondering if he spoke too soon. On Thursday afternoon, Intel said that the 4GHz version of its Pentium 4 processor that was scheduled for release this fall won't ship until the first quarter of 2005. Another unfortunate miscue for a company that this year alone has recalled a new chipset (Grantsdale), delayed the launch of another (Alviso), and canceled one chip entirely (Tejas), but one that suggests that the company is perhaps reconsidering its traditionally quite aggressive schedules. "I think it's a consequence of Craig Barrett having laid down the law to Intel last week that he didn't want any more broken schedules. When management says, 'Meeting your schedules is a priority,' then the natural outgrowth of that is people make more conservative schedules," Nathan Brookwood, principal analyst with Insight 64, told NetworkWorld Fusion. "I think there must be some sort of amnesty program. If your schedule is in trouble, this is the time to admit rather than the month before it's due. You can finesse a lot of stuff, but if you said you were going to have 4 GHz by the end for the year and you don't, somebody is going to pick up on it."
Can't Nocona run Linux or the Win64 beta yet? Why not?
Good argument. A nice logical refutation. (eom)
I'll take that as a 'no'. LOL. A bit concerned about the performance of Intel's current iAMD64 implementation, are we?
upc