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there is good point there, but funny thing i just watch youtube video of entogenetic, they wanted government money, 900 thousand, the government said no. ento gentic are doing similar thing, but mr zinc says they cannot succeed. there will be politics involved, but here is my thought, kblb need big company anyway to take this to that level, or big company just buys kblb and hides the spider silks away so they can keep selling their kevlars.
, the dr
you have made too many prediction and they have all failed, mr manshoon said this fall would be next time of share price surge, i share the same view, it takes a long time and a long amount of work for Kim to get kblb to make the next big move. mr mojo today has new prediction for short term. "Maybe What is taking so long.. is that Kim not only have to verify pure spider silk.. BUT.. But has to verify that the offspring of the genetically changed worms don't have any side effects as well.. "" i bet mr zinc will disagree highly
,the Dr
yes, mr zinc told me to call him, we talk about kblb mostly
,the dr
i like kblb better, ben said he was very proud of Kim
go kblb go zinc
,the dr
he was nice, he has lots ob birds
the dr
was tipped to check this out, what ist he story here?
I probably will not buy, big red the day I first see it, cant be good.
,the Dr
the only that matters is being correct, and being correct makesyou money.
so far I am down 10 or more percentages, mr mojo was correct, but i plan to be correct in 45 days.
the dr
o jeez you know i mean saying bad thing about another person
no, idea for new companys
the dr
none taken, all i mean is to be courteous to one another, i dont think it help's anyones cause to make verbal attacks on one other, i dont support that behavior by anyone.
i wont be friends with the name callers. i was raised better.
KBLB
the dr
you sound quite pretty negative, no? I dont laugh at others misfortune, the ones you call names have not done onto you
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mr edward said he sold at .13, no? He did well and may buy lower cost shares now.
, the Dr
kim has more ideas than just spider silk,
, The Dr
I set the loss while I am unable to watch, and it is pretty low, only there in case of total disaster. I did watch link, i have not bought any stock he or anyone else recommended, even the stock ben hansel told me to check out, I probably won't touch, it should be me making all decision on my own with no 'hey check this out" stuff.
,the Dr
how can kblb surprise us, everyone already throw out 10 dollar per share prediction ,that is a lot of work on Kim to get us there.?
I mean "they' as in most on this board say dont sell, buy then hold, huge surge any day now, but it has been months and only we lose %%.
mr mojo say its wrong to hold in penny stock, i am only holding because I am not skilled enough to trade, but still feel stronly on kblb.
mr monshoon show the risk, ok I see the risk, so i have stop loss in just in case
the others that say things, negative things, i think do so because they were let down by finding out one of the risk.
mr kblabpatience, look to his name, he obviously believe in the company, and know it will take time, but he become angry time to time as he felt this company has a black eye, but the company still have 2 leg and 2 arms, and heart still a beating.
I bought shares knowing later this year at the earliest was the time, if that change, then i will be happily suprirsed mr zinc :)
i did talk to mr Ben hasel, but I wish not posting our conversation.
, the Dr
what if Kim is has already done most of those, keeping secrets for big release?
,the dr
even an acorn finds a blind pig once in a while.
russian proverb
,the dr
I hear ya, but what bout dr Randy and his plant silk?
,thdr
they saiy we will hit .20 next week, everyday for 2 months now, fine i will start making prediction, kblb will be at .096 tomorrow,
, the Dr
and kraig is using darkwin spider? or what spider
is kraig using
,the Dr
I have a lot to learn for sure, i go back and read old post to learn. i have to firs get some base understanding then i can build on that.
this is why i don't weight in on discussions of kraig biocrafts sec filings, w
so let me get something clear?
if insertion were done in june, kim would know already if there weere worms with modified genes but have to wait to test silk to know full result?
,the Dr
btw, I was born in Barbados, that can explain my english, we speak what is called bajan dielect.
Jag?
,the dr
'you said this "Next post: Why this time it will be only ten days (approximately) from the time of KBLB's receipt of the worms on 10 June until it knows whether the GMs were successful."
it is august the 22, and there is no kim announcement of zincfinger success or anything
I thinjk maybe kim is waiting for reason?
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,the DR
link havent worked for since I first saw webpage
, the dr
you say this on 16 jun
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We also know, but from Kim and SIAL, that it takes about a week to do GMs with the zinc fingers and that it takes only 48 hours to test them (and that SIAL includes the materials needed to do the test along with the zinc fingers) (Which can be confirmed at the SIAL link above (although I posted the proof very recently here). And, of course, Kim today us at the CC that they had just received the zinc fingers that day (10 June)
So early next week is when we could and should hear (unless someone leaves the cap off the hydrogen peroxide or some equivalent - highly unlikely, just pointing out, as usual, that nothing is ever certain in biotech.)
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Mr zinc your posts are very smart and uplifting about Kim, maybe kim is waiting for a new conference to announce these at?
,The Dr
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hi, can you e give me post # with answer or email me with answer to those as part, i was gone last week miust have missed teh post?
, th dr
also to be honest, ai am intimidated to talk to a ceo or ben, i
,the dr
no problem here is a good one , now keep in mind what i said b4,a p to e is based on any earnings number past present or future, refrence the current price.
just calculating the p to e is nothing, you want to verfy that it is worth that and will continue that p to e number.
so without peg orypeg, your company wont be allowed to keep its current p to e of 10, you have to have the growth in the future to back up your current valuation
The PEG and YPEG
Two commonly used applications of the P/E ratio are the P/E and growth ratio (PEG) and the year-ahead P/E and growth ratio (YPEG).
The PEG simply takes the annualized rate of growth out to its furthest estimate, then compares this with the trailing P/E ratio. Since future growth makes a company more valuable, it makes sense that higher growth rates should increase a company's valuation. Relying solely on a trailing P/E in this regard would be like trying to drive with your eyes fixed on the rearview mirror.
For instance, if a company is expected to grow at 10% a year over the next two years, and it has a P/E of 10, it will have a PEG of 1.
10 trailing P/E / 10% projected EPS growth rate = 1.0 PEG
The lower the PEG ratio, the more cheaply a company is valued. If the company in the above example only had a P/E of 5, but was expected to grow at 10% a year, it would have a PEG of 0.5. If the company had a P/E of 20 and expected growth of 10% a year, it would have a PEG of 2.
While the PEG is most often used for growth companies, the YPEG is best suited for valuing larger, more-established ones. The YPEG uses the same assumptions as the PEG, but it looks at different numbers. Rather than basing the P/E ratio on trailing earnings, it compares the stock price to earnings estimates for the year ahead. It then uses estimated five-year growth rates, which are readily available from several quote sources. Thus, if the forward P/E is 10, and analysts expect the company to grow at 20% over the next five years, the YPEG is equal to 0.5.
Fools should view the PEG and YPEG in the context of other measures of value, rather than considering them magic money machines.
Multiples
Rather than trying to look at growth rates, many investors simply look at estimated forward earnings, then guess what fair multiple someone might pay for the stock. For example, suppose XYZ Corp. has historically traded at about 10 times earnings, and it's currently down to 7 times earnings because it missed estimates one quarter. If the missed quarter was just a short-term anomaly, it would be reasonable to expect that the stock will return to its historic 10 times multiple.
When you project fair multiples for a company based on forward earnings estimates, you start to make a heck of a lot of assumptions about what that company will do in the future. With enough research, you can reduce the risk of being wrong, but it will always still exist. Should one of your assumptions prove incorrect, the stock probably won't go where you'd expect it to. That said, most of the other investors and companies out there are using this same approach, making their own assumptions as well. In such a worst-case scenario, at least you won't be alone.
In a modification to the multiple approach, you can also determine the relationship between the company's P/E and the average P/E of the S&P 500. If XYZ Corp. has historically traded at 150% of the S&P 500, and the S&P is currently at 10, many investors believe that XYZ Corp. should eventually hit a fair P/E of 15, assuming that nothing changes. This historical relationship requires some sophisticated databases and spreadsheets to figure out, and it's more often used by professional money managers than individual investors.
my head hurts really really hurts
the dr
I understand, its just that my email basically said hi kim/ben i explained i am a shreholder and my two questions, then sincerely Mikael Graham.
thank you for youtube of jim cramer, but really i am less than 1 year in stocks so i am only using him as a basic learning tool. I have not used anyon'es advice on buying or selling except my own gut.
,th dr
They can say stock y i s trading at 8 times next yaear earnings, and earnings expected to grow by 10 percent, then they say that stock is UNDERVALUED because should be trading at 10 p to e based on future guidance
, the dr
GO KBLB
hi, no thank you, there are p to e based on the past and p to e based on FUTURE performance
and like i said
if future growth goes from 10 percent to no growth a company won't be allowd a 10 p to e anymore
there are trailing p to e and fowrard p to e
the allowed p to e is based on past present and future
the simple current p to e is price over earnings.........that is for current.
dr
I have called both phones kraig phone, and hasnel phone only once each though, last week, NO ANSWER
I will not call you or any other one names, or attack you or others so please do not do to me.
how am i to know it is acepted that they refuse to answer email? that is not acceptable, I have strong beliefs in this stock but i would apreciate them to answer emails. ALSO IT IS FASTER TO ANSWER MY QUESTION IN EMAIL THAN TALK TO ME FOR 52 MINUTES.
i understand not to answer the phone, they might be busy at that time i call, but my email is there for 3 weeks and ignored is accepted?
you have yourself a good day
The Dr
IF FUTURE EARNINGS ARE NOT TO BE GROWING AT THE SAME RATE THEN THE ALLOWD P TO E WILL BE LOWERED...........
like if a stock has p to e of 10, it will take 10 years to earn the amount the market cap. is
if the future guidnce is LOWERED the stock will immediately go down
IF YOU WERE RIGHT THEN THE STOCK WOULD NOT GO DOWN, because you claim it only past performance
all of my reseearch shows that they use past present and future numbers.
I have a lo t to learn about sec. filings my focus right now is basic stock principles.
, the dr
garcias amigo
,the dr
i have emailed kraig labs emails and ben hasel emails......I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A REPLY YET, several emails for the past few weeks.......
all i asked was simple questions.....he spent 52 minuts talking to tacobellsucks, all i want is 1 minute for email reply!?!?!?
can anyone tell me? is monsterhybrid increasing to production numbers RIGHT NOW? at dr fasers lab?\
still holding
,the Dr
now ya gotta figure out how to get rid of another 1m
the dr
found it, ok a p to e can be based on past or future ,so you both are not compltley correct.
they are alowed those p to e ratio because of year to year growth(proven) which include future reveneu guidance.
how I have come to undrstand it is that if your company plan to grow income by 10 percent in the future next 12 months then the company will be allowed to trade at 10 times the E or earnings number.
i have been watching jim cramer and reading jim cramers books since early this year.. too bad he didnt write a book on spider silk lol.
I am with yall and hope kblb to keep growing. if we swap emails I can tell you more when I find the page numbers he talks about that?
go kblb
, the dr
what is appropriatevalue of kblb right now?, thanks!
the Dr
thought this would be higher now? good movement, watching since months ago.
,the DR
insiteful comments http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=59911372
GO KBLB
,The DR