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I think the idea is a long walk on a short pier. If the longs come out winners, I can't see myself changing my view of their methods.
..What he doesn't realize is that he is digging deeper for himself..When this reverses, it will go up big..the company is meanwhile working silently on a 'short killer'..lol
The above is from a recent post earlier today.
You said the company is meanwhile working silently on a "short killer" .
They are working silently but no PR on what that is. No PR for the last two months except for SEC filings.
I am not contradicting your statment but wondering if anything special led you to this conclusion. It would be nice to see a short killer but I guess it would have to be a surprise. Most have to be good at what they do or they would be in line for free meals.
What would make you think that?
Lowman.............................
Could you contact me @ boater_down@yahoo.com.
You can't count out anything with this company in either direction. On one end,I'm afraid of the concequences and on the other end, I can't comprehend the concequences. I promise that I will deal with the outcome either way.
I'm there with you. I started buying about two years ago and am down about 80%. I am sure that the sector is the future. I am still buying but can't afford to get in too much more. IMHO this company has a solid chance of making money and I want to be there. If I had any information,I wouldn't mind sharing but all we have right now is people speculating. That has been going on for a while as you know. Like you say,it tends to be counter productive in general. Most of us are looking for certification to be completed sooner than later. I am thinking that if it happens before end of Summmer, we should see good sales by the end of the year.
Rumors tend to bring all the morons out of the woodwork. If I find a news article that may interesting, I will certainly give the link on the board. I think it is good to keep all the longs well informed I feel bad if I were to missinform anyone. I have had my hopes go up on a rumor just to be trampled on at a later point.
One point: You haven't "LOST" anything until you sell or the company goes bust. It's nice to keep a positive perspective even when things seem to suck.
copleybmt....................................
Send me a yahoo.
I put in a buy this morning. It hasn't dipped to that point quite yet. I'm in no hurry. You make it sound as if at some point the price will trip a switch and someone put your kids in a foster home. Your time would be much better spent and extreemly rewarding if you would sponser a AA meeting. They need and want your help unlike most board members. You need to focus your pent-up energy in a more useful direction.
What do you have against helping people that actually want it?
If AA isn't your bag, I have a large list of other suggestions. I don't mind helping direct you to help othes.
Yep.....
http://www.athensnews.com/news/local/2008/mar/27/
I cut the back part of the short-cut off and found the article.
It's nice to get a refreshing post every now and then.
Thanks for your input. The bashers are a minority but thats where the wheels squeek the most.
Looks like trading is off to the same good start as yesterday.
You would think that people wouldn't pay attention to the pps when the volume is so low.
Is it just that all the nervous people have gotten out and the shorts have cashed in ?
It seems certain that the longs are sitting tight so shares for trade should dry up at this price.
People may sell on bad news but no news may just serve to get people curious as to what might be up. Tim jumped me on Yahoo because I suggested that something may be comming up with certificaton. I don't know why he would be so touchy about that.
Cash strapped. Can't buy but sure would like to. You might talk with jagman
This is the longest I've seen it go into the day with no trading. Is no one willing to sell at .025 anymore? I hope not. Other side is no one is buying at the ask either.
From the pps, it looks like people have started looking at the 10QNT. In prior post I suggested that it would be best not to look for income on that report.
I haven't seen any post by people admitting to be from California. I do agree that it would be nice if an investor were able to talk with someone at the booth.
I thought there was a PR indicating that ARSC was going to attend some function in April.
On the other hand, someone at a booth may provide as much useful information as F***k on a Talk show. I have become very cautious when someone leads off a statement with "We estimate"or"We expect". I don't know the man so I am not qualified to say good or bad things about him but his commenst on various audio interviews have given me cause to take anything he says with reservation. I feel as though I have to analyze the exact wording. A Press release with wording like "We have completed" or "We have shipped" will work for me.
"Nonetheless, ARSC is plumb beaten down at this point, and an investment here is near certainly a good play, since the general market rarely knows a good play until it's a tad too late for the best and most sizable positions.
You and I both know, the minute ARSC issues a positive development, acquiring a 200K+ position below .05 will be impossible, but right now, you can get all you want, if spread out over a day or two.
This is the loading zone, plain and simple."
The above is a quote from his message.
The part about an investment here is near certainly a good play, was taken by me to mean that buying stock in ARSC at this pps would be a good thing.
Later He said that he accepts that if ARSC issues a positive development ie.., "Certification", then acquiring a 200K position below .05 will be impossible. As a result, he said straight out that it might be a good idea to buy as much as you can slowly while the pps is where it is.
I agree that small purchases won't drive the pps too much in the upward direction. Small buys could load the truck up at below .027 ..... IMO
I don't know how else to take that except that hearing it from him, I find shocking.. Maybe he dumped his short load at around .025 and is buying in long for a ride up. I don't suggest that he is in for a long ride up.
I can't believe you would ever say the "BUY" word. Things must really be going to pick up shortly.
I don't know about .01 but you might hold out a few bucks for .02........
Your 2 Cents are very welcome.
I asked him if he could tell me what Ohio University got a grant for. He couldn't seem to be able to give me a direct answer. Maybe he can't grasp the concept of people working together. The concept of 2+2 doesn't have any mathamatical implications to him.
Concerning the Grants,both grants would have been a big win. Neither grant would have been a major problem for company support. The one grant that the university got speeks well of support for the ACE concept. I would say that the results were neutral.
I dare you to say what they got the grant for.
The only glitch I see is "certification of HydraStax pending".
The sooner they can get this done, the sooner they can start making money. Until then cash flow will only be in the outward direction. I'm sure they know this and would have had it done by now if there weren't any problems. The claim of tons of paperwork is being way overused and that kite's tail is so long it won't fly any more. I am sure they will get it done at some point but timming is a big factor. There are others working on other options as we speek and the first one to market will get the biggest piece of the pie. The longs here want the whole pie. I can't speek for everyone here but I'm greedy in this area. Certification can't come around soon enough. The thing about other countries not caring about certification doesn't fly too far either. They have to have a production model to sell to other countries and nothing has been seen yet except betas. Certification will come shortly after a production model is available.
I contacted Ohio Information Services and found out that they are currently meeting. They ,whoI don't know, and grants announcements will be made later this afternoon in a press release or maybe tomorrow morning. And I said that there would be no delays because it is comming from another Ograization. I think the word "Delays" is a universal word common to everyone that can be a source of information.
The results will be posted on the Govener's website when it is available.
Believe me, I am lashed down. Although they have the building, and that would suggest that someone is behind their effort, it doesn't mean that they will get a grant. I can say that the information will come out. There will be no delays on this because it isn't comming from them. We will all find out tomorrow,I guess at the same time. I see either a breath of fresh air for the company or we may have flashbacks of the movie "The Perfect Storm", with us on the boat. I don't see any middle of the road options here.
I have no agruement with that. I rolled my dice and this is the company I picked. I follow the course I have set even if the weather starts looking a little sour. I call it as I see it though. We all know that things almost never go as planned but if the car is broke,say the car is broke. If it needs a tune-up then say it needs a tune-up. Don't keep saying we are getting good milage with black smoke pouring out the tailpipe. Who would be fooling who? There is no need not to be straight forward with the investors in these matters. Do you think they would cause the stock to crash if they did ?......... NOT. I'll be around for the make or break and I'll accept the results either way. This boater can handle the rock & roll.
I can honestly say that they have made progress in the past two years and they continue to progress. Their progress is somewhat slower than most would like to see. The company's feet are much outpaced by the company's mouth. We may as well be keeping day to day tabs on progress inhabitating Mars.
Again, Occupation of the new building was left up to interpretation and they added that they would be planning. Is no one planning to be in the building for the nexr 6 months ? Do they mean occupation as in having a production line up and running? Are they not even moving the office there for that time period? If you take it at face value, Occupation would imply someone being there on a regular basis actually working on something. I would say, take it at face value and believe that they don't have any good reason to move from the university right now. They like those western dances,one step forward and two steps back then a side step. I'm sure it's some type of boogie.
Sort of like the Government's plan to go green or like saving a penny a week to buy a good pair of false teeth. You'll get there but by the time you have the money,you can't eat solid food any more.
I know what you mean. The warm and fuzzies are going to cold and flakies.
It isn't new but most of us don't get news from Germany.
In December 2007 the German government passed the world’s most extensive package of measures on energy and climate policy, requiring greenhouse gas emissions to be reduced by 40% by 2020. Fuel cells, as a key clean technology, are being used in an increasing number of applications that require emission-free and sustainable power.
My share buying time has passed. I'm all in this company and all out of funds for further investments. I will say that I have many shares but it's only paper. I have to keep telling myself that so I won't dwell on the Price Paid. I did slowly accumulate but I coulda shoulda accumulated more slowly. I could have double what I have now. I won't quibble if the company takes off. I can deal with wealthy or really wealthy. At what point does one say "That's enough."? I can live with poor but I would have problems with dirt poor. I have taken safty proceedures so that I won't pass poor on the down side.
Could you maybe expand on that just a little bit ? I suck at Jeporady.
How much money does it take to finance software. Get in the right sector at least. Shoot for a company that has a tangible product.
"Venture capital and/or friends and family finance many startups" So you wouldn't call these "Investors"? What is your point? Private verses public investment. You need investors and you admitt that. Who is kidding who ?
In a private initiative, do you think people just pump money in without keeping record of how much who put in ? Wouldn't it stand to reason that the people that put in the most would get a higher stake in the company? Converse with a cabbage patch kid if you want to win a conversation like that.
successful startup companies do an IPO on a major exchange after some initial success with their business.
Take a real leap and suggest how these startup companies can afford to have some initial success with their business.
Design a product,produce the product in enough volume to qualify as initial success and market the product before selling shares to make money. Maybe Bear Sterns gave them the money up front.
If you buy any 3 cent stock, and aren't dreaming, you are dillusional. No one knows if a start-up company is going to make it or not. People and the market is funny. Some handle a good product wrong. Othes make money on junk. Many products have failed only because of the way they were handled and not because they weren't good products. Tucker had a great automobile but his start-up company didn't make it because of pressure from the larger car companies. Think people didn't loose money then ? You think the guy that invented the slinky lost his assk. I think not. No one can be absolutely sure that this company will make it unless they have mental powers that exceed any mortal capacity. It doesn't mean that people can't dream about what could happen. Being under the radar, as they say , there is nothing solid to base a sound decision on for any start-up company. Does that mean to you that no start-up comapany is worth investing in ? If you don't have an immagination, you have more problems than a 3 cent stock.
I like the Power Point presentation on the Amreican Hydrogen web site also. I get skeptical when something seems too good to be true. I like that the HydtaStax has been running on an ACE for 6 months with no degridation. I don't like the implication from the Miami Herald Press release that the Fuel Cells will be available some time this Fall. I hope there are no further delays . We really need to see things start to happen ,at least by July. I wonder how many hoops will be put up before we see the ACE come out of the closet?? It is less complicated than the Fuel Cell so maybe it won't take as long to get certified. The grants are like the Event Horizon on a black Hole. The closer we get, time seems to start to dragging out. I'm sure that's the only similarity.
One other real possibility is that it could have been partial trades. I've had that happen to me when it was filled with partials.
Someone is trying to play with the pps. It is a speculative move by the investor. He or She is trying to buy back a lot more than was sold at the lower price. With low volume one hopes that people are watching and tries to induce a little panic selling. Some people tend to make quick moves on the ticker and others try to take advantage of that.
Grant information from Third Frontier.
We will be making award decisions for the Third Frontier Advanced Energy and Fuel Cell programs on March 25. All awards for those programs will be announced that day. There will be a press release with details posted on the Third Frontier Project web site.