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fourkids,
Only about 600 mil shares left to go!!!
fourkids,
"and since i go by logic
and common sense .. why
is this stock not at no bid"
Did you ever think for a minute that just maybe that's where AERP ought to be --- no bid??
Here we have a company with:
No place of business
No active phone number
No product
No sales (except shares)
No employees (except Hunsnaker)
At least 2 lawsuits against them
Many lawsuit settlements that must be paid
And the list goes on.....
Only reason that it's not 'no bid' is Aero still has approx 800 mil shares yet to unload.
fourkids,
"from a co. that is compliant
based on their most recent
action ~ which was filing
their q a day early ~"
You know fourkids, there's a LOT more to being compliant than filing a 10-Q a day early. There's all sorts of forms that companies MUST file when conditions dictate. For a list see:
http://www.sec.gov/info/edgar/forms/edgform.pdf
In Aero's case there have been NUMEROUS times when an 8-K should have been filed however wasn't. We've been through these NUMEROUS times. I'm sure there were other instances re: other types of filings.
mtgman27
That's all Aero has ever been ..... "a bunch of nothing."
fourkids,
"no i can see the differences quite
clearly .. apparently one who is
*actually* invested .. into a co.
is considered a pumper .. which
isn't how the SEC .. defines it"
And just what about the person who is *actually* invested who makes it a habit to relentlessly posting items that are nothing more than <implied> suppositions, which are really --- absolute falsehoods.
Example -- (ref AERP board).....
"Posted by: fourkids_9pets Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:53:11 PM
In reply to: ronning999 who wrote msg# 157210 Post # of 157216
ronning he gets shares
for also being on the bod
AERP's CEO NEVER bought or recieved any shares since the reverse merger with FCCN. There was NEVER a Form 4 filed.
fourkids,
"yep .. but if *one* reads the filings
*ronning* .. the share count stayed the
same .. from the annual filed in oct of
2007 <ah the memories> to the annual
filed in oct of 2008 .."
I've read ALL the filings and I DEFINITELY understand what I am reading.
You, however, certainly implied in your previous post something other than what those filings have shown ----- that Bryan Reuel Hunsaker got shares from being on the BOD when he definitely did not.
Posted by: fourkids_9pets Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:53:11 PM
In reply to: ronning999 who wrote msg# 157210 Post # of 157216
ronning he gets shares
for also being on the bod
--
4kids
all jmo
fourkids,
"well one can surmise since aero filed
their annual .. and the share count
didn't change .. that the bod ...
didn't *award* themselves the shares
over the year covering 2007/2008 ~"
Well in your previous post you implied that Hunsnaker did get shares....
Posted by: fourkids_9pets Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:53:11 PM
In reply to: ronning999 who wrote msg# 157210 Post # of 157216
ronning he gets shares
for also being on the bod
Well, which is it fourkids, did he or didn't he get shares.
By the way, it's totally obvious that Hunsasker has NOT bought shares. So much for this stock being a credible investment when the CEO will not buy shares of his own company ---- at fire sale prices.
ROTFLMAO
fourkids,
I'm sure that SEC link has been used many times by many showing the MANY violations of securities laws that have been predominant with Aero.
fourkids,
"ronning he gets shares
for also being on the bod"
And just where are the Form 4 filings required by the SEC???????
Keep guessing ----- it's really fun!!
fourkids,
There are a lot of 8-K's that have NOT been filed that should have been.
fourkids,
"as for hunsaker not adding shares ..
curious if those who ask have ever
paid a visit to a financial planner
it's called diversification .. again
i'm not going to *defend* hunsaker's
20M+ shares .. if that is a concern
of *some* .. they can do what suits
their interests .. best"
And as you well know, Hunsnaker did not BUY those 20 mil. shares... they were part of the reverse merger into FCCN
Hunsnaker has NOT added to his position. Obviously he would be in a position to know if that were a prudent 'investment' or not. His actions, or lack thereof, says it all..... in spades.
fourkids,
"well for one very good
reason .. there has been
flat out falsehoods posted
as fact in this venue"
Yeah, lots of falsehoods like:
1) NSS
2) MOASS
3) Aero increasing sales
4) Aero profitable
5) Aero not diluting
6) Aero *terminated* Javelin (remember it was just the contract that was terminated
7) ALPS has Aero's backside
8) Aero is totally compliant in their filings
9) The Bryan Reuel Hunsaker up on weapons charges in a fight was not Aero's Bryan Reuel Hunsaker.
10) Containers are coming in all the time
11) Aero has off-loaded their liabilities to Flo-CO
I could go on, however, this list of falsehoods should be sufficient for now
TRUSTUNITS,
Don't count on it!!!!
fourkids,
"right now
i'm more interested in the jones
acq being finalized and 8k'd ..
and moving onto the next phase"
You're about to 'move onto the next phase'. Probably something less than a billion shares left in the treasury, and, at the rate they are leaving, probably less than a month before the Authorized share limit is hit. Then the 'next phase' starts.
Oh by the way.... great NON answer. Hunsnaker obviously knows something that is 'not so great' or he would have been increasing his holdings all along. And as mks429 so aptly puts it....
"Maybe much like ALPS....Hunsaker is waiting for *true valuation*....LOL"
StockSpock,
" guess you missed the fact that AERP has been fully compliant in their filings as both a pink sheet and as listed on the OTCBB."
Even though Aero has filed all their 10-Q's and 10-K's I guess that you missed the following....
The financials presented in those 10-Q's and 10-K's look like they were done by a plumber. There are so many errors Q to Q to Q it's hard to list them all.
There are also a vast number of 8-K's that have NOT been filed on quite a few 'material events' that have occurred.
Looks like Aero has NOT been forthcoming as required in the NASCAR lawsuit....
05/28/2009 12.000 MOTION TO COMPEL Comments:
response to request to produce & ntc of svc of interrogs by Nat'l Assc for Stock Car Racing
knowles,
Either one, an RS or an increase in Authorized, will have the same basic effect....... the ability for the company to continue their massive DILUTION, thus, being VERY detrimental to existing shareholders.
But keep guessing..... it's really fun.
StocksXpert,
"Those that got issued millions of shares would only dump and the price would drop like a stone."
Those millions of shares are already in the market and the price has already 'dropped like a stone'.
"what purpose would an R/S serve right now?"
Aero is FAST approaching the Authorized Share limit. The HUGE reverse split will then allow continued DILUTION on a grand scale. Remember Aero has lawsuit settlements to pay, past due notes to pay, a NASCAR suit staring them in the face, $2 mil for Jones (if it ever happens) and NO way to get CASH other than selling shares. Probably less than 1 billion shares to go.
fourkids,
All info regarding the court cases re: Hunsnaker and Geddes was taken directly from the Utah District Court calendar database at ....
http://www.utcourts.gov/cal/
knowles,
When the court calendar is updated I will post Bryan Reuel Hunsaker's court date on his weapons charge in a fight, which by the way, you said quite some time ago that they were thrown out, however, you were WRONG AGAIN as they were NOT.
However, in the interim, Gregg G. Geddes, aka Gregory G. Geddes, aka Gregg Gordon Geddes, aka Gregory Gordon Geddes, aka Greg G. Geddes has his Prelininary Hearing on Wed., June 3, 2009 at 9:00 am
PRELIMINARY HEARING NLO 091100082 State Felony
STATE OF UTAH ATTY: LACHMAR, BARBARA K
VS.
GEDDES, GREGORY G ATTY: RASMUSSEN, THOMAS V
OTN: DOB: 04/29/1966
F2 - COMMUNICATIONS FRAUD - 09/08/08
F2 - COMMUNICATIONS FRAUD - 09/08/08
F2 - THEFT BY DECEPTION - 09/08/08
fourkids
"high risk
potentially high reward"
More like ULTRA high risk. Especially since the deck has been stacked against you from the start.
mtgman27,
"Anyone able to sell their shares at these prices?"
Yes, Aero Performance Products!!!!
knowles,
WRONG AGAIN....
"And with AERO, not one suite (by the way, it's suit) has been filed against them, not one, nada, zippo, nothing........"
"Aero Performance Products, Inc. is involved as an added defendant in two of the lawsuits being brought against its subsidiary TTRHP."
Keep guessing ---- it's really fun!!!
fourkids,
I cannot speak for mks, however, I personally did not talk to the realtor.
However, as it has been well over a month since you talked to him and reported to this board that Aero was current on the lease, maybe it’s time to revisit that.
Since that time the latest 10-Q was filed. Obviously the Aero financials as shown in this recent 10-Q are a disaster and cannot support lease payments on a building that is NOT being used, except maybe for storage.
fourkids,
First, I never implied in that post that I did talk to the realtor, you only surmised it.
Secondly, I did imply that your previous DD re: the realtor may now be out-of-date as it's been well over a month and maybe that you should recheck it.
knowles,
WRONG AGAIN.
The Annual Shareholders Meeting required by the company's (Aero) own Articles of Incorporation have absolutely nothing to do with when the company listed on the OTCBB.
fourkids,
There is a reason *it* went unanswered as no question was asked by you relative to my post #156743. Seems like you only made a statement.
In any case, bigEZfor3 pretty much said it all and explained the situation with Aero
BROADWAY10,
WRONG AGAIN!!!
It wasn't at all hard to find the info based upon Aero's PR. Others also added to the facts.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=34965442&txt2find=commerce|consulting|group
BROADWAY10,
Sure did know it. Commerce Consulting Group, Triarc, James Cannon, etc was a very huge topic of discussion for a few days right after the PR came out Jan 21, 2009.
I suggest that you go back and review all those posts and refresh your memory
Let's see, when did Aero hold it's last 'annual' shareholders meeting?????
The company's Articles of Incorporation says the Annual Shareholders Meeting is supposed to be held *annually*
If I were an SOR I would be VERY concerned that there has NOT been one for well over 1-1/2 years.
What is Aero trying to hide?? ----- I think it's rather obvious.
fourkids,
As it has been well over a month since *you* checked with the <landlord> about whether or not Aero is current in their lease of the Bluffdale facility, maybe *you* should recheck that 'fact'.
Also, maybe the only reason Aero might be current is because it was a <prepaid> lease.
Yeah fourkids,
Just look at Aero's financials for the last 2 Q's and tell me again that Aero could afford rent!!! ROTFLMAO
knowles,
Courtesy of mks429...... (keep guessing... it's really fun)
By: mks429
24 May 2009, 10:58 PM EDT
Rating: Rate this post: Msg. 16216 of 16218
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Knowles....plenty of people are aware of all the businesses using the Austin Address of: 3801 S Capital of Texas Hwy #330....including the businesses managed by JAMES EDWARD CANNON...WestHill Holdings LLC and Commerce Consulting Group LLC to name just 2.....but....the FACT of the matter is......3801 S Capital of Texas Hwy #330 is VACANT and available for lease....$4,447.58 per month....evidently ALL the entities using this address couldn't afford the price of rent..LOL.
Just call the listing agent- Troy Holme of CB Richard Ellis: (512) 482-5509
yep...just like all the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty together again...and just like AERP couldn't afford the digs in Bluffdale...and just like TTR HP is insolvent due to BRYAN REUEL HUNSAKER'S inability to run a business....James Cannon's Commerce Consulting Group, LLC and James Cannon's WestHill Holdings, LLC ETC can't afford the office located in BARTON CREEK PLAZA II (3801 s capital of texas hwy #330)..........
doubleupfollowme,
"Ok,, discounted @ what price? @ Also, what price are these convertible?"
The CD's state that they are convertible at a 50% discoult to the market price on the day of conversion.
However, most every CD in the past has been defaulted on. The company is then sued in a Florida court by the CD holder and a settlement is reached. All of these settlements have been at 7 to 20% of the market price in 'free trading shares'. VERY highly dilutional.
doubleupfollowme,
"I mean ,, all you have to do is drill ,, right?
They've drilled this quite a few times. Each time there has been nothing economic in the assays. I suggest you read the Behre Dolbear report among other things. It basically says that whatever they may have drilled out is not of sufficient width to make it economic at the grades encountered.
Just answer this question for yourself .... why does it take well over 5 years to 'refurbish' a small mill when you could build a whole new one in less than a year (and for less money)???
BROADWAY10
WRONG AGAIN.......
Sorry but that info on Commerce Consulting Group and James Cannon was known quite some time ago, in fact, within a day of when the PR came out on Jan 21.
Check out this post from Jan 22 ---- #147128
And Commerce Consulting Group is NOT an IB.
StocksXpert,
Did you miss this part? Looks like you did.
"Preparation of Audits. Buyer and Seller acknowledge that it is necessary for the Company’s financial statements for the years ended December 31, 2006, and 2007, to be audited (the “Audited Financial Statements”) to permit Buyer to undertake the securities offering contemplated by which Buyer intends to raise sufficient funds with which to pay the Purchase Price at Closing. The Audited Financial Statements shall be prepared at the expense of Buyer. Sellers agree that they shall fully cooperate, and cause the Company to fully cooperate, with Buyer and the auditors in the expeditious preparation of the Audited Financial Statements."
By the way, where is Aero getting the money to pay for these audits???
knowles,
The 'registered agent' of Commerce Consulting Group is as you say......
Registered Agent: THE LAW OFFICES OF SHERIDAN C. ERNSTMEYER, P.C.
11824 JOLLYVILLE ROAD, SUITE 502
AUSTIN, TX 78759
(512) 992-2471
However, you are totally in error in that this is NOT the business location or the phone number for Commerce Consulting Group. It is in fact....
Commerce Consulting Group, LLC.
3801 S. Capital of Texas Hwy. Suite 330
Austin, TX 78704
Tel : (512) 334-1082
I strongly suggest that you call CCG at (512) 334-1082 to find out and then correct your DD....
Really good "Due Diligence" Pays off, anything else is just guesswork! Keep guessing --- it's really fun!!!
Oh by the way....
Commerce Consulting Group also has the same phone Number, address and principals as....
Triarc Capital Group LLC
3801 S Capital Of Texas Hwy, Apt S
Austin, TX 78704-6640
(512) 334-1082
StocksXpert...
Commerce Consulting Group is NOT an 'investment banking' firm. Call them up and ask for yourself (which I and others have previously done.)
From that very same PR you cited...
"Aero Performance Products has engaged Austin based M&A advisory firm Commerce Consulting Group, which has its primary offices in the Texas market. It is expected that Aero Performance Products will finance its acquisitions through the issuance of senior and junior debt that will be serviced from the cash flows of the target company. Commerce Consulting Group has been retained to assist in this process and has been actively engaged in the due diligence process along the way.
Anyway, CCG appears to be a rather small outfit, no web page, and it's principals have a rather storied past. Certainly not a very becoming to say the least.
StocksXpert,
From an Aero PR...
"Aero Performance Products has engaged Austin based M&A advisory firm Commerce Consulting Group, which has its primary offices in the Texas market. It is expected that Aero Performance Products will finance its acquisitions through the issuance of senior and junior debt that will be serviced from the cash flows of the target company. Commerce Consulting Group has been retained to assist in this process and has been actively engaged in the due diligence process along the way."
A little more info on Commerce Consulting Group...
Posted by: ronning999 Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:22:45 AM
In reply to: LoanStew who wrote msg# 146986 Post # of 156689
LoanStew,
Same phone number and address as;
Commerce Consulting Group, LLC.
3801 S. Capital of Texas Hwy. Suite 330
Austin, TX 78704
Tel : (512) 334-1082
Manta on Triarc:
Triarc Capital Group Llc
3801 S Cpitl Of Texas Hwy, Austin, TX 78704-6640
Contact Phone: (512) 334-1082
URL (web address):
Business Category: Investor in Austin, TX
Industry (SIC): Investors, NEC
Business InformationThis company profile is for the private company Triarc Capital Group Llc , located in Austin, TX. Triarc Capital Group Llc's line of business is investor.
Company Name: Triarc Capital Group LlcIs This Your Company?
Address: 3801 S Cpitl Of Texas Hwy, Austin, TX 78704-6640 (Map)
Alt Business Name:
Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: View Details
Est. # of Employees: 2
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 2
Year Started:
State of Incorp:
SIC #Code: View Details
Contact's Name:
Contact's Title:
NAICS: Miscellaneous Intermediation
And......
Posted by: LoanStew Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:56:42 AM
In reply to: None Post # of 156689
More DD on the Jones deal and related parties...
Courtesy of Bayou610.
Triarc Capital Group, LLC and Commerce Consulting Group LLC share the same address, phone #, etc. Heck, they even share the same registered agent(More on that a bit later).
However, it appears Commerce Consulting Group LLC was first born as WestHill Advisors, LLC with the name change to Commerce Consulting Group taking place on 6-17-2008.
The "Manager" of Westhill Advisors, LLC which is now Commerce Consulting Group LLC appears to be James Cannon (who has a rather storied past with the SEC).
There is a James Cannon residing in Austin,Texas-address-3316 WESTHILL Drive-Phone listed as-512-441-5930. Funny thing is that 512-441-5930 and 3316 WESTHILL Drive also appear to be the address for the following 'companies'--- Oxford Bridge Capital LLC and Tejas Holdings. Oxford Bridge Capital contact is listed as Jim Tannon(I'm guessing this is really Meant to be Jim Cannon)---Tejas Holdings contact is listed as Jim Cannon.
Now......back to the "REGISTERED AGENT" for Triarc Capital Group and Westhill Advisors AND Commerce Consulting Group LLC----- Sheridan C Ernstmeyer. According to US BANKRUPTCY Court WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS, Public Records, a Sheridan Coleman Ernstmeyer filed chapter 13 BK in 2008. I wonder if the 2 Ernstmeyer's are the same person?
***If that's the case, I sure do wonder if this "Commerce Consulting Group" actually has the funds to handle any kind of deal, or, for that matter, a reputation worthy of connecting with Aero to complete the deal.
It still comes down to Aero needing 2 million bucks less 25K. They don't have the money. It will cost something to get it. That would be shares.