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It can be expensive -- but it can also make for some nice winnings. Most posts exceed $100 before the flop and it is not uncommon for pots to be in the $200 to $300 before the flop -- one raise will take ti there quickly. Betting slows and people start dropping as $30 bets turn into $60 or $90. Pots of $500+ are not uncommon and they will occasionally approach or exceed $1000.
Of course, with 9-11 people playing, one wold not expect to win even most of the hands and it is easy to go 30+ hands without having a winner. Money management is a priority.
The nice part about the game is that with 11 people playing in a $15/$30 game, all you are committed to betting over the course of 11 hands is $25. I did not explain this but the two people to the left of the "dealer," which rotates left, place $10 and $15 bets, respectively, before the cards are dealt. basically they are blind bets. When the betting gets around to the $10 better before the flop, he must either add $5 to make the $15 bet or fold. The person blind betting the initial $15 then has, as does every other player after someone else has bet, the option of raising. Raises at that point are not common, but they do happen. That is a particularly nice position to be in if you have a very nice hand and a lot of people have stayed in for the flop. You can build the pot nicely since having already bet the $15, most folks will also stay in for the $15 raise.
I also left out that the house takes a capped percentage out of every pot. I do not recall what the percentage is, (five percent seems familiar, but I am not certain) but at the $15/$30 table I was at, it was capped at $4 per hand, as I recall. There was no pot so small that the house took less than $4, as I recall.
Omaha is fairly easy to explain, but far more difficult to gamble at.
Each player is dealt four cards, two of which must be used to make a five card hand. Five cards are common to all players, three of which will be used to go with two from a players hand to make the best five-card poker hand.
After all players have been dealt four cards, the first round of betting begins. Most tables have a set amount for this bet. The table I was playing at was $15 with three raises (unless there were only two players remaining in which case raises were unlimited). There are also $3/$6 $5/$10 $10/$20, etc., Omaha tables.
After the first round of bets is complete, the dealer will turn over three of the five common cards. This is called the flop. The flop is followed by a second round of betting -- with a $15 bet with the same raise rules.
After this round of betting is complete, the next common card is turned over and the bet raises to $30 with the same raise rules.
The final card is turned over and there is one final round of betting at $30 a bet with the same raise rules.
A table may have 11 people at it -- so these pots can get big, quickly.
Full houses are common, but it takes a least a pair on the board before anyone can have a full house. If the board has at least three cards of a single suit, odds are that someone will have two more of that suit for the flush. If the board has three of a suit and a pair of something, the flush is unlikely to win.
Thus, if the common cards were Q-d, 10-h, 7-d K-s 3-d, anyone holding the Ace of diamonds along with any other diamond would have the "nut" flush and be guaranteed a win. A-J or J-9 could also form straights, but otherwise the best hand would be three of a kind.
If the common cards are A-d, J-h, J-s, 3-c, 7-c, anyone with a J and either A, 3 or 7 would have a full house. The nut (full house) in this case would be a pair of Aces, since it would be the highest full house. Of course, anyone holding a pair of Jacks would be sitting really pretty, especially if someone else had the boat, and super especially the Aces full boat, since the betting would get heavy.
Pots can get big. It is also easy to lose money if one begins betting on the come on too many poor hands. Better to not pay to see the flop unless you have something decent.
At the $15/$30 table, it was not uncommon to see $2K+ in chips on the table in front of players.
I guess you would not take too kindly to Mcderfie either then? There ought to something marketable in that though.
My New Orleans trip a couple weekends ago had both high and low moments from a gambling perspective. Played at Harrah's.
Played BJ for about three hours at $50 or so ($25 to $100) a hand. Ended up +$300 -- but was down $1k at one point and was up as much as $500.
The Let-It-Ride table was not as kind. Dropped $1500 in about 90 minutes. Should not have played since I was not willing to spend hours sitting there. Stopped the losses and just left.
Blew off the house table games and spent the next four hours playing $15/$30 Omaha. Big ups and downs here. Was down about $2K at the low point, but ended up winning $700. Quit for the night at the high point after hitting two nice hands and pots in a row. A few of the regulars (locals) grumbled when I left after winning two nice pots in a row.
Ended up losing $500 overall and would have made money if I had stayed away from LIR when I did not plan on being able to weather short term losses.
Had fun though and that is what I wanted to do.
The buffet at Harrah's sucked and was seriously overpriced at $25 a head. Since we ate upon arriving around midnight, I had not yet gambled and thus it was not comped.
Don't have any clue what kind of comps I earned, if any, since we left early the next a.m. I just never checked.
This Harrah's is not nearly as nice as the one in Shreveport, La.
My experiences with comps:
1. Not all casinos are the same. Find out in advance the rules and what they expect. Make it a point to meet, greet, and be friendly towards casino hosts (or whatever a particular place calls them). They are more likely to be nice to you if you have been nice to them. It is these folks, not the pit bosses, who will ultimately determine what you get.
2. If you want comps of any kind, you must have a players card. Do not play anything without a players card.
3. The casino is generally looking at both average bet and time played. They have computer programs that will figure out theoretical loses based on these factors. Comps are generally based on an allowance based on whatever computer model they are using.
4. Getting basic meals (cafe or buffet) comped is not a big deal and most pit bosses will give you a meal comp voucher if you have been playing for a while with $25+ average bet on the table. Don't think that this is a free comp. It is not. It will be recorded in their computer. In my experience, it is generally better to pay for your meals up front and then let it get comped on the back end. If you get lots of meal comps as you go along, some casino hosts will say "we have already comped you $100+ in meals."
5. In my experience, they will not generally comp rooms unless you play at least 4 hours a day with an average bet of $50 or more. If you want a suite (as I do in Vegas), you need to plan on having an average bet at or exceeding $100-$150 -- again depending on the casino and the real costs of the suite. They have some flexibility here, but not much. They may reduce your room rate to the "casino rate," but are unlikely to comp it unless you meet the basic time and bet requirements.
6. I try and establish a line of credit at the casino so I do not have to carry big wads of cash. I'd much rather take $5K in markers than carry around $5K cash. Taking the marker also ensures that they record your buy ins.
7. Whenever you get up and leave a table, talk to whoever has been rating you to confirm: (1) that they have all of your buy-ins; and (2) that they have your average bet figured correctly. This is the only chance you will ever have to make sure it is right. Once it gets into the system, it will never be changed. Also, if a shift change if approaching, ask the pit boss before the shift change how you have been rated. Games with single bets are easy to figure, at least so long as you are not significantly changing the amount of your bets. Games with multiple bets will vary from casino to casino. I once had a pit boss rate my Let It Ride play at $225 (the full three bets of $75 each). Some places will only rate it at one bet, which really pissed me off. The majority will rate it at 1.5 times the single bet. Just find out so you will know. Most places will not rate you at Let-It-Rride unless you are playing at least $15 per space on the bet.
8. I will also occasionally try and put $100 or greater chips away in my pocket. You always want to appear to minimize your winnings and maximize your losses. This works really well around shift change and deck change time. This is also nice if you happen to hit a big hand or two and end up in a situation where taxes may become an issue. Those chips pulled back may just help pay some of your taxes.
9. Be careful what you play and what you ask to be rated on. If you have been playing $50+ black jack hands, you do not want to go play $10 hands at some other table -- at least you do not want to be rated for it. It will kill your average bet very quickly. In some casinos, time of play is more important than a borderline average bet. Find out in advance and have your play rated accordingly.
10. Not all casino hosts are created equal. Some are looser with comps than others. Take the time to figure it out. Simply talking to them and checking on your "status" at least a couple times a day will give you some ideas.
11. Last, and most important, play the games not the comps -- which is the same as not letting the tail wag the dog.
Edit -- Jared's suggestions on playing at full tables and taking breaks (short ones) will also help. Just make sure that neither activity gets in the way of your gambling strategy.
I have played thousands of hands of Let It Ride at dozens of casinos. I have won big and I have lost big -- overall I am still well up, but the gap is closing over the last couple of trips. Here are my thoughts.
1. The odds are well in favor of the house, so if you hit a big hand, full house and above, get up and leave. If you do not, you will likely give some, if not much, of it back. The big hands will come but it sometimes takes a while. "A while" can sometimes be 5-10-20 hours of playing. I have had a dozen or so full houses with $150 to $225 on the table (the 11:1 odds make for a nice payoff). I have never had 4 of a kind or above, although I have seen several. The most I ever lost was after being well down and making it all back on a couple of very nice hands (a flush and a full house within an hour) and then not following my rule and leaving -- the next 8 hours were all loses. Like planning the trade and trading the plan, follow the discipline rules or be prepared to lose. I forgot (or had my ego chose not to remember it) it on that occasion.
2. You have to be prepared, time-wise and dollar-wise, to play for a long time. I have been down $5K over two to three hours and made it all back and more in the next hour. I have also treaded water for hours. Treading water at this game is good -- it gives you the opportunity to stay around until the big hand comes.
3. While you have to be prepared to be well down, you must also have a real stop-loss limit. No game is worth losing more than you can or want to lose.
4. Unless you just happen to get lucky, this is not a game you are likely to win at if one is willing to only wager $100-$200 on $10 bets. It is very easy to be down 20-30-50 bets before hitting a string of good hands. It is also not a game where one is likely to do well if one only has 30-60 minutes to play - unless you get lucky and hit the nice hand quickly. Of course, if you do, get up, tip the dealer, and walk away.
5. Like all the games, play them because you enjoy it, not because you expect to make money at it. Winnings are a bonus.
~~~~~COMPX 03/03/2003~~~~~
Last Close: 1,337.52 +13.58
WTMHouston 1301
I am going to again be out all week (the same trial is running long) so I'll just take 1301 all week. Of course, that just means 1350 (from last week) will be winner at some point.
~~~~~COMPX 02/24/2003~~~~~
Previous Close: 1,349.02 +17.79
1350 WTMHouston
1359 Phil
1362 shao
I am going to be out of town or in trial all week, so if someone will enter it for me, I'll just take 1350 each day. TIA.
Did not know they had gone public and just as well I did not.
Too bad they got greedy, but looks like someone was trying to get some money out while the getting was good.
~~~~~COMPX 02/20/2003~~~~~
Previous Close: 1,334.32 -12.22
1316 WTMHouston
1320 Susie
1326 AKvetch
1345 Phil
1351 shao
1354 Albert
1368 MB
Pliers and screws and drivers, oh my.....
Tape and rope and soap, oh my.....
A toolbox is simply another diversion for a creative imagination.
And republication waives any damages...dickweed.
Plus, isn't truth always a defense? It may be personal, but it cannot be an attack, unless it is untrue. If it is true, it is just personal.
That depends on the size of the fee you pay and the continuing quality of the bribes.
Well, carpola......
I was going to say.....Try the new Churak and KKD survey....
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/do_board_survey.asp?board_id=1417&Survey_Num=3
But 1/3 of it is now meaningless.
Try the new Churak and KKD survey....
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/do_board_survey.asp?board_id=1417&Survey_Num=3
I think Churak wanted 1369. Lucky 13 and the position he wishes he was in instead of getting screwed.
Would that be a bite before or after a shower?
In case you somehow missed it, you have been bitten -- chomped down on, as it were. You are becoming one tough client.
Of course, if you offered to have him bite your KKD, then you might get somewhere. Try practicing this a few times "Matt, bite my KKD." I know it is four words, not three, but I have confidence you can manage it.
Sheesh...just like most clients: wants all the advice but never wants to follow or pay for it. The fees is fix'n to rise.
I doubt annie can vote, but since I'm not in Jail I would not know for sure. We can just presume that she'll vote no for herself -- but that may not be a safe assumption.
Otherwise, folks can only vote once. Try it a second time and see what Bob has built in to prevent that.
~~~~~COMPX 02/18/2003~~~~~
Previous Close: 1,310.17 +32.73
1301 WTMHouston
1310.17 SagDec15
1315 Phil
1332 AKvetch
Wait a minute. Churak needs a continuance since I have not yet been paid. Retained does not equal paid. Justice delayed is justice paid.
Of course, he could avoid all of this by following the free advice and bribing the sheriff and judge with a couple dozen of the allegedly offending sugar-fixes. Once the sheriff and judge have finished destroying the evidence, dismissals will be the order of the day and the court.
Since wanttobe has chosen to defend himself, he ought not to get the benefit of the spoils, as it were. He has to appropriately grease the wheels before getting his just deserts.
And since it is here, I'll take the palindrome grub
Speaking of annie, here is a survey for expressions of real feelings....
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board_surveymenu.asp?board_id=1417
The judge does not appear to be in.....
Thus, the best way out is a bribe of the sheriff.
With multiple aliases, the 12th of never comes quickly to mind.
Maybe resetting them again would be in order as well.
If Churak had just professed a preference for KKD Jelly (definitely tastes better than vaseline -- less filling too, in a backwards kind of way), he would not be in this mess.
Yippi-ki-aye......I'll leave the rest of the movie line off.
The good news......
If truth is a defense, then you have a good one since any donut is poison on your diet.
The bad news.......
Everyone thinks that the diet defense is just an excuse made up by greedy lawyers to get guilty folks off.
BTW, if you stay on this diet, you will be too small to kick anyone's arse.....
Back to where I started -- da bribe, da bribe. Use what works is the best motto and I see nothing in the TOU prohibiting bribes.
Where do we return said gift?
I think the hurling idea comes close.....
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=771839
ROFLMAO......a real shame I have to get some work done.
There you went and sued your third post without offering a respectable bribe. I can't help you if you won't suck it up and puke the advice.
Good use of your posts....at least the rest of us won't have to watch you hurl anymore.
Be careful....that is two down....
I suspect a bribe is in order -- a dozen ought to work.
Your host will not be back today...he (along with some others) got Jailed for questioning the real quality of the best donut in the world. The Jail is getting full today.
So serious that you got it too....ROFLMAO....
Especially since it was a question and not an answer.
I stopped playing Caristealen Stud after two hands in Aruba five years ago.
I got back-to-back full houses and the dealer qualified on neither. It really took the fun out of it.
On BJ, I usually bet $25 to $50 per hand and will never increase my bet after winning a hand. After several losing or push hands, I will frequently bump my bet for a hand or two on the potential that a winner is now more likely. If things are going poorly and no one is joining or leaving the table, I'll sometimes skip a hand, if no one else does, just to mix up the distribution.
I prefer 5-6 people at a table since it lets enough cards come out at one time to more easily get a feel for the card distribution. 7 tends to get too crowded (the tables ought to be bigger) and 3 or less tends to move too quickly.
I will not play one-on-one with the dealer. The most money I ever lost at BJ was doing that.
A successful gambling trip for me is the room (suite preferred) and all hotel meals comped and losses that do not exceed the value of the room and food comped. Winnings are a bonus. I usually end up with winning trips (by my definition) 5 out of 6 trips. On pure gambling money, the win-loss is more like 3 out of 5, which is good enough for me.
As for tipping, if I am doing well, I'll tip on big win hands (double downs, splits with both winners, etc.) and when the mood strikes me otherwise. If things are not going so well, I'll still tip, but usually only as I am leaving the table and not as well. I always keep some extra dollar chips just for tipping if I feel like it. Cocktail waitresses always get $2 for a mixed drink (if I am drinking (smaller bets, less playing time)) and $1 for a soda. When I smoked, I'd give them $3-$4 for a pack of smokes.
I was in New Orleans this weekend and actually saw women walking around with the old candy and cig trays.
OT -- both the most money I have ever won and lost was at Let-it-Ride. Thousands each way are very real possibilities. I have done well at 3 card poker, but it is just luck.
Two summers ago, I spent a week in Vegas -- way too much time there even though I won money. Did see a lot of good shows though. Three to four days is about right.
A new Annie Spammie Survey....
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board_surveymenu.asp?board_id=1417
Said what? To whom? Where?
Got the shirts last week. As Tony the Tiger would say, "They're GRRRRRRRREAT."
The wife looked a bit perplexed at first as she opened one as one of her birthday presents.....as nice as they were, though, I am glad it was just one of several gifts or I would have been in deep do-do.
The teenage son is still trying to figure it out -- but, that comes with the age. It is almost fun to try and induce that "look." "Hey, you could wear it to school" did not go over too well. When we are in Boston this summer, I'll make him wear it around Cambridge -- he will put up a small fight, but not as much as at home.
Since it is a non market day, I'll just post this here....
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All 4 of the posts are second apart. She must have drafted them all in different windows and then hit submit post pretty much in succession.
It still looks like a glitch on the 3 post limiter -- even if just a small one. Then again, any glitch that lets annie spammie post her garbage more than permitted is a LARGE glitch.
While I have been in favor of letting jailed inmates have more than 3 posts a day, annie makes the case for cutting it back to one. Hell, aside from multiple aliases, she is the case for das boot.
Annie is way past potential help with a shower. We still have water pollution laws -- and I suspect they would be violated if annie spammie was hosed off in the jail. She just needs das boot. RB is her home and it should remain that way.