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Given the context, the answer to the first part of your question is obvious.
With regards to Wessal, I state with a very high degree of confidence that any business entity named Wessal is either (A) a scam or (B) not connected with SLJB or (C) both.
SLJB is STILL a SCAM!
CAVEAT INVESTOR!
One possible explanation is that Jannie (along with many others) was duped. Maybe at the time of the nearly 2.5 year old post you dug up, Jannie was not yet aware she had been duped. Now she is.
That's not so hard to understand, is it?
SLJB is a SCAM!
CAVEAT INVESTOR!
No, the question for a few days now, since you brought it up, is what do you think is the probability of there being or having been a material amount of naked shorting on SLJB?
I'll give you some help here. A probability HAS to be between zero and one, inclusive.
Hey hock, did you ever come up with a probability that material naked shorting was/is going on for SLJB? Who do you think is behind it, if there is material shorting?
Still waiting on your answer...
Where, EXACTLY in post 298136 did Marketmann state or infer or even hint that HE thinks SS is blameless?
Oh, how long will it take you to answer my question about the probability of there being a material short of SLJB?
I guess you missed my question, hockmir. What do you think the probability is that SLJB is now or was in the past three years MATERIALLY shorted (nakedly)? By material, I mean at a level that would induce inclusion on the Threshold Securities List (0.5% of float).
hockmir, what do you think the possibility of there being or having been a MATERIAL amount of naked short selling of SLJB? By material, I mean an amount that would get SLJB on the Threshold Securities List (0.5% of float). What probability do you assign to this being or having been the case at any time over the last three years?
My guess is < 0.00001.
If you think there have been no definitive findings of fact, then why did you say SLJB is a scam earlier when you said you wanted to recover your losses?
That's right. There's enough evidence for the OSC to conclude that SLJB is a PUMP&DUMP SCAM and thus make the allegations, yet you continue to state there has been no wrongdoing just because the proceedings are still in process.
The OSC has made their conclusions.
http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/Enforcement/Proceedings/SOA/soa_20080616_sulja.jsp
So your logic is that no wrongdoing has occurred because the proceedings are still proceeding. I guess that means you would think no wrongdoing had occurred if a gunman shot someone to death in front of several witnesses, but his trial had not been concluded. Why do you feel that way, hockmir?
You are stating that the OSC has no authority.
I am afraid you are very wrong in your stated conclusion that the OSC has no authority, hockmir. How did you conclude that the OSC has no authority in this matter, hockmir?
So then no actual findings have yet been reached. That's what can be inferred from your summary of the situation.
There have been no findings by either courts or regulatory agencies yet, only allegations. Is that what you are saying?
Process:
Investigation => FINDINGS => Allegations => Indictments, trials, etc.
We passed the findings stage a while back.
SLJB is a SCAM. It ALWAYS has been. I think everyone who has followed it for more than a week knows this to be true; some just won't admit it.
For your supposition to be supportable, there must exist a finding of fact by a court or regulatory agency that states that a scam was, in fact, perpetrated.
WRONG!
The evidence available overwhelmingly confirms that SLJB is a SCAM. There is NO exculpatory evidence.
Game over, no more discussion needed. SLJB is a SCAM. It always has been.
If what I say is not true, then you should have no trouble providing VERIFIABLE evidence that SLJB (A) is not a scam, (B) is a going concern, (C) owns or owned any or all of the variously (and deceptively) named Sulja construction supply operations (which are all now closed).
Well?
In answer to your question, you ignore all answers given you and ask the same questions again and again. It's your turn, hockmir. Post evidence that SLJB is NOT a SCAM.
SLJB is and always was nothing but a SCAM.
No amount of attempts to divert attention away from this fact will change it.
I see this stock still has some days where it trades and some where it doesn't
Whether it trades or not on any given day, SLJB is still 100% SCAM! (And it always has been.)
all this positive activity here lately even after PV getting indicted. very little volume but still, i think its a good lottery ticket to tuck away in the drawer.
Yeah, anyone who believes in SLJB at this point probably also thinks they have a good chance of winning the lottery.
Anything new with regards to the allegations against SLJB?
maybe we ought to ask SHORTY that question...
Shorty who? There is no material short interest and no material naked shorting of SLJB.
IMO
I wish the new rule could be enforced immediately on SLJB... then, when there was NO short squeeze, the disingenuous arachnid would have to come up with another lie/talking point to explain why SLJB is so low.
IMO
I'm guessing that between 3.30pm and 3.40pm EDT there will be an SLJB trade that will pump the price back up to 0.0011 or so. Total value of the shares traded will likely be less than $20.
Anyone else care to comment or hazard a guess on today's tape painting?
IMO
Naked short selling is not relevant to SLJB.
The company is already in default with Nevada SOS.
In nine months SLJB will get revoked.
Earnest, when/if this happens will SLJB stop trading on the stinkies? I never learned the details of listing on the pinks, mostly because all my professors said most pinksheet stocks simply cannot be evaluated objectively using industry standards (due to opacity of finances, etc.).
Thanks
2008 or 2009?
Either way, wasn't 16 Novemeber the REAL, HONEST, I-MEAN-IT-THIS-TIME date that petard was going to publish the AF's?
FACT is, the price increase of SLJB is due to tape painting. $20 of trades accounts for ALL of the end-of-day price increases this week.
I suspect some disingenuous arachnid is trying to bid up the price at the end of day to give some cushion on Thursday, when the OSC will either continue the case or make the trading suspension permanent. Either way SLJB will fall.
And no, SLJB will not see the trading ban lifted on Thursday.
IMO
Oh! Did the challenged arachnid put the vucicevich curse on you too? That seems to be a common response to those who tell the truth about SLJB.
I hear an end-of-day tape painting coming!
Anyone want to guess how many shares and what price today's last trade of SLJB will be?
I guess 5000 shares @ 0.001.
That is encouraging news, but let's remember that Leslie has not exactly been a fountain of reliable information in the past. I hope it's true, but I will need confirmation from more than one source before I believe anything Leslie says about SLJB.
IMO.
Why on earth would a lumber contract or cement deal have any effect on SLJB? SLJB has no interest in any such operations. SLJB never has had any real assets or business operations.
IMO.
The Reasonable Person Standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_person
In short, courts often ask, "What would a reasonable person have thought or done in the situation in question?" If we apply the same test to SLJB, we must ask at least some of the following questions:
What would a reasonable person conclude if, after 19 months of investigation, a regulatory agency not only didn't apologize, not only didn't dismiss previous allegations, but added additional allegations?
What would a reasonable person conclude if, during the aforementioned 19 months, not one whit of exculpatory evidence were presented or discovered, even in the face of mounting evidence of deliberate malfeasance?
What would a reasonable person conclude if a C-level corporate officer stated publicly and for the record that the company in question always was a scam?
Any reasonable person, heck any average person, would conclude that the company was a scam and criminal wrongdoing had been perpetrated.
I suggest the following:
* If an article were to appear in the Windsor Star stating Petar Vucicevich took a plea deal to testify against Andrew DeVries and PV said SLJB was always a scam, then the longs/deniers/kool aide drinkers/liars/shameless pumpers would say either (A) it was just a hit piece by Gary Rennie and not to be believed or (B) PV didn't really know what was going on and was just scared he would go to jail and SLJB will be going strong in "just a little while".
* If PV and/or AD were indicted and convicted of illegal activities as part of the SLJB scam, then the longs/deniers/kool aide drinkers/liars/shameless pumpers would say there was a conspiracy to persecute SLJB, and that no illegal activity really took place.
In fact, I think the only way some of the longs/deniers/kool aide drinkers/liars/shameless pumpers would ever acknowledge there was any wrong doing with regard to SLJB would be if PV and/or AD laughed in their face and told them how funny it was to scam them out of their investment.
IMO.
So let me understand this: CNN is asking for people with tales of financial woe? Do they already have all the stories they need from people who are doing well? Or does that not fit their agenda? Are they attempting to do any statistical sampling to see population-wide trends in peoples' perception of the investing environment? Or are they just going to present anecdotal evidence that is the most sensational?
IMO.
By my reckoning it was $5. I think it was done by the same person who buys 5000 shares at $0.001 every day at about 3.30pm... someone who belongs in jail.
IMO.
IBox update?
The IBox currently has the following paragraph:
Established in 1986, SLJB carries a complete line of residential and commercial building materials. High-grade pressure treated lumber, GAF shingles for superior roofing technology and aesthetics, and an array of other quality raw materials combines with leading-edge technology and experienced management guarantee our customers the very best construction products available in any market today.
Given this week's revelations, should the above text be reworded to something like "The Sulja family operated a construction supply and home improvement supply business for 21 years. All of their business operations ceased in 2007. Although implied, there is no proof that SLJB ever had claim to any of the Sulja's businesses."?
IMO
Great find, Jannie!
C'mon all you alleged longs! Let's hear your spin on this one! I vote that slojon's parole date be moved up, just so we can hear how this is good for the company and his investment.
IMO.
Give five (5) specific instances when EarnestDD has been wrong about SLJB.
Does Sulja sell anything these days?
Nope. SLJB and its principals have nothing left to sell, including their souls.
IMO.
Haha! More giggles from Red! C'mon, everyone, you have to admit that red's fantasies are usually good for a few laughs. Also, he is showing through the evidence he posts the volume of positive, verifiable items that support claims of SLJB being (A) not a scam and (B) a viable investment. What's that? You say he hasn't posted any verifiable evidence to that effect? Well, then I guess THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SHOWING SLJB NOT TO BE A SCAM!
You are doing a great job of bashing SLJB, red, even if your efforts are too subtle for some to appreciate.
IMO.
Does that pair of crossings represent the double cross that SLJB (in the form of Petar Vucicevich, Andrew deVries and various others) perpetrated against shareholders?
IMO
Red, in your conversation with Larry Y at Turner Stone *LAST MONTH* (as in March, 2008), did he specifically state that he expects the AF's for SLJB to be completed? That is, are you stating that Larry Y claimed within the last 56 days that he expects to complete the AF's for SLJB?
Did he give any indication of when the AF's would be done, red? On what date did you speak with Larry Y. of Turner Stone, when you allege he said he expects the AF's to be completed?