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Sure thing! In the meantime I'm happy to start posting updates here when they do on social media... sans commentary.
They've been very active on twitter, LinkedIn and now instagram. They're also great about communicating with shareholders directly via phone, email or text. They're doing the regular webinars and there have been a number of updates via that channel as well. Finally, the helio website is constantly updated with content & marketing material that offers a window into the current efforts.
We're looking for name/ticker change details and a 2021-2022 roadmap in the next week based on recent communications. Propy is releasing their 21-22 whitepaper next week as well.
HOLY COW I LOVE SANITIZER NOW?!?!
It's rebranded as "Helio Group 24 Hour" sanitizer... which obviously will never work because what does a "Helio Group" have to do with keeping my hands soft and germ free?
Geez they're just so dumb. I hate it when a company I'm invested in doesn't have the same plan for their business that I do.
More dishonesty… and again you show that you take us for fools.
You peacock about drowning in new debt THEN YOU POST OLD NOTES AS EVIDENCE
This is manifestly dishonest and can’t be brushed off as “oh it’s just my opinion”
The new debt you specifically reference is convertible at .125 and .25.
Axle is right...
... my tone did change. But not in the way he's trying to narrate. The target is constantly moving.
I'm reminded of the narcissist's prayer:
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did…
You deserved it.
Prior to the fins being released I had no expectation they would provide any sort of meaningful lift in the share price. That's a nice conservative position. The true change was that my tone was basically "..." - and now I'm more like "sweet!".
I like the 2400% increase in revenue. I like the first 6 figure quarter in who knows how long. That's a promising sign in the first quarter post-acquisition.
Doesn't matter to axle though because it's always but, but, but. Revenues are up BUT what about the spending? Spending on product development is good BUT what about the debt? It's good debt at reasonable rates BUT what about the ticker change? The ticker change doesn't matter BUT what about the sanitizer?
It never ends unless and until you either shut up or 100% agree.
As for the ad hominem "pom pom squad" attack all I really have to say about that is RAH! RAH! SIS! BOOM! BAH!
Pom pom squad parties are hot. We have an open bar.
You take us all for fools.
Companies finance growth with debt. You act like it's some unheard of and unspeakable thing. That's the real "joke".
This isn't even a lot of debt... you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
You refuse to acknowledge that our revenues are higher in the first quarter post-helio acquisition than ever before because it totally destroys your narrative.
Incredible revenue growth q over q...
CYIO took on debt this quarter, but is clearly using it wisely... producing an incredible 2500% increase in revenue. I was expecting maybe $50k revenue and would have been thrilled with it, but to see $200k+ is shocking.
Prior to Helio, CYIO rarely made more than $10k in a quarter.
Convertible bonds are healthy... investors purchase them when they want to minimize their risk but be able to benefit if the stock price rises. They only have their max benefit IF THE COMPANY SUCCEEDS.
They brought in a little over a million needed dollars for a measeley 10-15 mil potential new shares that MIGHT convert one day when the company continues to succeed. OH NO! Our O/S could increase from 110 mil to 125 mil! What ever will we do?!
It's a good deal.
Negative cash flows are common and in the real world we live in - when coupled with increasing revenue - show that we're in a healthy company that institutional investors are willing to invest in.
I remain very bullish on CYIO and these financials only reinforce my positive sentiment when taken alongside all the other positive indicators I've shared.
As for valuation, I'll need to see a few more quarters of activity to be able to calculate that. Right now though, this pps is very low for the speculative value I see.
2500% revenue growth Q over Q... what's that mean?
REVENUES $219,993 VS. $8,861 PRIOR QUARTER
with only a partial quarter, immediately post-merger.
Geez... calm your gonads, Sally!
Last quarters filings were expected on the 20th & actually uploaded on the 21st.
This quarter no different. They'll be there tomorrow or monday.
Did you get back in? You're so excited!
Skullduggery, I say!
I gave 20+ good reasons why I'm bullish on CYIO.
I like my answers... they come with receipts.
Pre-acquisition, helio was receiving 2-3 inquiries a day for loan amounts of $50k to $10MIL with 0 dollars spent on marketing.
Now - they're flush with cash, a new seasoned VP of Sales, Partnership with powerhouse PropyInc, media appearances, and impressive content and social media marketing...
With all the new marketing and sales resources do we think they're still only receiving 2-3 inquiries per day?
We already know they have written loans recently for $750K and $15MIL...
We already know they have developed the first Property-NFT-as-collateral crypto loan...
PropyInc has reported hundreds of Property NFT inquiries and 10's of these projects in the works on US soil as of a month or two ago
Helio has announced they are coding/building an NFT loan marketplace using the amazing @nftfi API (also part of Propy's roadmap)....
Helio partnered with top Crypto Lenders in the vein of Nexo, Salt, BlockFi & others for deposits and crypto loans... extended creative financing network 500+ other lenders through relationship with Matias Group.
Positioning themselves as THE go-to "Concierge" crypto lending service...
Amazing share structure... only 110 mil outstanding... most of which is restricted. Remaining float of approx 41 mil is mostly locked by true believers & longs.
Last run to .845... 61.8% extension showing $1.39... but with any news could see exponential growth before EOY in my opinion.
All of this is available in the public record and being bullish is not 'pumping'. Repeating the public record is not 'pumping'.
No back-room whispers or insider info needed... it's all out in the open if you explore. Insinuating that some would step outside of legitimate legal channels is an exercise in pathetic skullduggery.
Helio is an aggregator and is not underwriting or funding the loan. They’re paid by the lender for originating the loan.
Think “lending tree”.
This biz model is prevalent in all credit markets.
$21,000 minus whatever they paid Helio :)
$15,000,000 tranches crypto-backed biz loanS for a wealthy crypto investor using cash to invest in revenue-producing solar projects.
$700,000 crypto-backed real estate loan done at a 3% interest rate. 3 year loan, no fee to roll over when it comes to term.
Respect!
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#1 - Carnahan's buddy balmford converting 11mil shares @.001. Don't like it but you can't just nullify it. Blame for that falls squarely on Carnahan's shoulders.
#2 - 15mil+ of Carnahans shares cancelled (LOL! Buh Bye!)
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#1 - All Carnahan's sweetheart loans which stop as soon as O'Shea and Lewis take over.
#2 - O'Shea and Lewis ink a deal with institutional investor for $255k clean funding for .25 a share. Restricted until 2022.
NOW - wait til you see the next fins and we find out about the amazing deal they made to get us an additional $470k.
We're flush with clean cash.
Good riddance to the old guard. O'Shea and Lewis finally turned it into a company worth investing in.
Talking about debt - If you refuse to acknowledge the infinitely better position we are in as CYIO investors today versus under previous ineffectual management then you are not being honest in your assessment of CYIO.
You have old notes convertible at .001/share given to "buddies" during previous management... management who has not only been removed but had their shares clawed back by new management... This is the only debt being converted and is primarily responsible for the increases in OS. Which oh by the way - also took place under old management.
Then you look at debt issued under new management - larger dollar amounts but convertible at .25/share and even then not until 2022.
We're in much better hands since O'Shea and Lewis took over... and it shows.
If you have a problem with the debt, you can lay that blame squarely in Carnahan's lap and be THANKFUL that we have better stewards of our asset in O'Shea and Lewis. ANOTHER reason to be bullish.
Absolutely golden DD! The indicators are certainly there, and all the work that has been done behind the scenes on both the Protext and CYIOS entities in the last year PLUS some of the more recent communications from Lewis to individual shareholders (while purposely vague) does seem to indicate that something is brewing!
If you refuse to see it, I'm not going to waste my time repeating myself.
Bottom line ... CYIO / Helio are building the future of real estate and crypto finance. Longer term investors that I regularly interact with completely agree.
Trade your own way and quit wasting your time policing every bullish opinion on this board.
Well said! I share your sentiment (and so do the majority of the long shareholders). Pay no attention to the noise and manipulation. Some like to scream into the wind so they can hear their own voices.
I didn't say they sold 225k shares... I said they raised $225k (dollars).
I was wrong though... it was actually $255,000 straight equity funding from an accredited institutional fund.
They received an additional $370,000 straight equity in June PLUS an additional $100,000 under an existing funding structure.
They are flush with $725,000 cash they have publicly stated is allocated for expansion and near term business development.
As for the rest of your highly repetitive arguments, they continue to be straw men and gaslighting. Every new investor I engage with that has done minimal due diligence quickly sees right through them. The term "disgruntled former employee type arguments" has been mentioned more than once. We might start a pool.
No one I know cares about pre-merger helio revenue OR thinks that it's 'bad' that we don't care.
No one I know thinks existing shareholders are desiring to sell & can't find buyers. We existing shareholders talk, and we're not trying to sell :)
No one I know thinks helio does or should have some huge employee count or that it's bad that they don't.
No one I know thinks paloma is anything more than one iron in the fire that might eventually get hot (a good idea with potential built by smart people who get things done).
No one I know thinks the propy partnership is insignificant. We've done our homework, we've joined the webinars, we've spoken with leadership... and we know what's coming.
No one I know has ever said helio is "making money hand over fist". We have a very realistic expectation with regards to early revenues.
No one I know would turn down 24hr sanitizer sales, but also no one I know wants the company to spend precious man-hours trying to do that at the expense of the lending/nft business.
All of your arguments are so clearly and carefully designed to sow fear and uncertainty it's hilarious... but that's okay... keep clogging up the board with this junk. I and the rest of the shareholders that own a combined 35 million to 40 million of the float will just keep rolling our eyes and buying more shares as we can.
As for any potential new investors who would like to connect and discuss CYIO with actual heavily invested long term shareholders, please feel free to reach out! The coming weeks are going to be very exciting and the couple million shares left freely trading right now will not be there for long!
why would anyone "trade" this ticker when you could probably throw a dart at a list and get a better trading vehicle with more volume and bigger swings? my opinion it's just silly to try to use this ticker as an atm.
You know they've already told us what the OS was at the end of Q2 right?
Financials show a modest/healthy (not toxic) increase in OS over a number of years. Mostly issued to facilitate ongoing operations during a pandemic, employment and laying the groundwork for/completing the merger. Recent issuance is on extremely favorable and fair terms (225k$ @.25 non-redeemable until 2022). This is not toxic dilution... it's using equity to facilitate growth.
Even with increases, the OS is still ONLY 109 mil. Most of which is restricted and/or insider owned.
I see long term value here, not 'fear'. I see manipulation during market weakness to shake out impatient shares or flip for a few hundred dollars a week. 2 or 3 toxic traders are doing this... not the company. Hundreds of other shareholders are quite happy with the company and products.
I also see the company developing revolutionary systems that will have an impact in global financial, real estate & credit markets. I see partnerships and sales/marketing activities in coordination with major venture capital backed companies who have billions in transactions. I see our management engaged with some of the top money players in crypto & real estate.
Finally, I see upcoming announcements that will absolutely blow the top off our investment. I see multiple webinars with 500+ attendees. I see real estate brokerages and investors taking courses to learn how to leverage helio systems to better serve their customers.
Just not buying the negativity that seems to leach in to this board.
What's your definition of dilution? What, specifically, are you suggesting is happening?
Happy w/e Axle & all...
Totally agree if there's an opportunity to do something with choice wellness it should be done. If the distributor agreements with ESC allow it, they should go after the prospects you are thinking of... I'm sure you've written or called to make your ideas known to them so hopefully we'll see some movement on that.
That being said, the Dr's Choice side of the biz might be in a prime position at the moment. Seeing some rumbling about connected companies where if all goes as I think it could, it could allow CYIO to produce their own CBD and medical cannabis products.
Quick corrections... and not trying to be combative here... but the record should be clean.
The arrington property was located in Kyiv, Ukraine... definitely not russian (they're at war with russia). Ukraine today is closer to the EU and NATO than they are to russia.
Also, they didn't just use arrington's property... arrington XRP capital is one of the main investors in propy.
Finally on the topic of paloma, just keep in mind that the initial proof of concept app has been focused on cannabis retailers... BUT the founder of propy has specifically gone on the record saying she has the broader entire retail market in mind. If you haven't listened to her interview with Min, check it out. She's a sharp cookie. https://aroundthecoin.com/podcast/ally-medina-ceo-of-paloma-pay/
As for timing... I'm really happy with the progress so far. I think there are a lot of ducks to get in a row and some house cleaning that needs to be done... i'm sure you've come across it in your DD.
Once it's all in place, I think we'll be positioned for a steady stream of marketing and PR that will drive it where it should be QUICKLY. Look at the history on GBOX for a similar comparison.
Wow... great call-out... really interesting topic and gives lots of good weekend research to do.
That was my reaction too! haha
But dig a little deeper. This interview opened my eyes a bit. Skip to 13:48 to where it starts. Educational value for sure.
Happy W/E Axle...
I get where you're going with your questions so here are the plain and simple answers.
1&2 - "How much net profit..."
PRIVATE companies do not generally post this information and YOU KNOW any investor that is privy to this knowledge through discussions with the co. is bound by NDA not to disclose it. We are not entitled to this info and helio not sharing it is in no way a negative.
3 - "How many full time... Helio"
Helio lists 4 team members on their website. We know Min has changed to an advisory role so the final answer is 3.
4 - "How many full time... CYIO"
CYIOS lists 5 team members on their website.
5 - (paraphrasing) "How many people selling sanitizer products (not distributorship)"
Choice Wellness is ONLY a distributor. All the sanitizer products are made by ESC. Even the 24 brand gel sanitizer is just a white labeled product.
So excluding any distributorship agreements, there is nothing.
The only place you can purchase products through CYIO anymore is directly from the choice wellness website.
Even the products listed on amazon aren't coming from CW... they're from ESC.
CYIOS is keeping the website active and probably has a little inventory to sell off but from my observation the sanitizer side of the company is on the back burner so-to-speak.
Don't know about the CBD stuff, but I'm pretty sure they don't manufacture that either.
*** So now that we have the best answers available to the questions that you asked, let's think like a good retail investor and go a few steps further and ask some harder questions.
How can a company operate without a traditional full office staff? Does this mean if I call to order a tube of sanitizer or get a helio loan, that Lewis or O'Shea have to answer the phone to take my order? Since that obviously isn't the case, isn't that a bad thing?
Here's MY answer. Doesn't matter how many full time employees they have. That's not a key performance indicator in my mind. I've run businesses ALONE but hired contractors to hire & manage scores of other contractors to do the work to process 10's of thousands of complex transactions monthly. Company had 1 employee but generated hundreds of thousands in revenue each month. Does that mean that I was a failure because I only had 1 employee? Nope.
There are groups that provide professional front-office and back-office BPO (business process outsourcing) services. They literally hire, train and manage a staff of dedicated professionals to represent your brand, interact with your customers, program your tech/websites, and take care of the meneutia of day-to-day operations.
This allows the company principals to spend their valuable time on broader reach efforts like developing partnerships, courting investors & doing media outreach.
While there has been no press release around CYIO/Helio using these types of services... based on what I saw on linkedIn & employees listed, and from mystery shopping my educated assumption is that they are.
Now, before anyone tries to spin this as a negative... understand that almost every recent startup - including groups like slack, skype and github - and almost ALL the top major corporations - including AT&T, Bank of America and Pfizer - use some form of BPO service.
As a business owner and investor in other businesses, I understand all of this & am actually quite thrilled that CYIO is not making the mistake of trying to do everything in-house at this point.
Another hard question... why can't I have confirmation of this? It should be simple to produce right?
No doubt they have this data, but I don't feel entitled to it. Why would I expect CYIO/Helio to spell out the secrets of day-to-day operation in extreme detail? That would be wrongheaded... no good company would do that. I want companies I'm invested in to protect this kind of sensitive data from competitors, detractors, etc.
I'll invest based on my knowledge of how businesses are run & what the company is telling me and what they report in filings. Not based on who is cleaning the bathrooms, or even if they HAVE a bathroom.
As for all that other stuff regarding private helio revenues, acquisition info & all that, it's NUNYA... and that's totally fine with me. I'm certain the info was available to the folks with need to know... and I'm perfectly happy not being one of them today.
Appreciate the response Axle.
All of these acronyms, funding efforts, alliance efforts, coin base like entity, tricks, confused descriptions, etc. you mention are simply a lot of noise that have nothing to do with Helio.
The value proposition is quite simple. You can use your cryptocurrency holdings as collateral for a fiat loan from helio. They have been and are lending directly and earning an APR, and they are referring loans to other lenders and receiving a fee for those referrals. It's happening now.
That's it. Plain and simple. Our performance metric now is loan volume.
I suspect all the confusion you may be referencing might be just a simple projection of some investors own confusion on to the rest of us.
I don't mind being in a minority, but I believe that the adjective "infinitesimal" to describe the number of investors who agree with my assessment of the potential is weak hyperbole. The market caps of mainstream cryptocurrencies say different than you.
I like the stock and I like the company/leadership. The progress in the last couple months has been outstanding.
If a few traders are fudging the pps with the couple million shares that remain not locked in the public float, fine. I really don't care. I load the same amount every week and I suspect you and I agree that days/weeks/months from now when a certain class of longer term investors are introduced to CYIO we'll all be very happy to have the shares we have accumulated and held.
There is literally zero connection between what Helio does and the article you posted. Zero... period. Seems like an attempt at pure FUD.
It's like saying people shouldn't eat food because once someone had an allergic reaction to shellfish.
I think for a while it was the toxic MM's that were taking advantage of low volume to continue to degrade price & accumulate larger positions.
Last week or two they have stepped back and it has looked a lot more like retail swing traders doing the same... buying a chunk, throwing it up on ask to stall price movement... waiting on bid for bored traders to give them their shares. Much clumsier than the toxic MM's.
Regardless there are certainly some traders who would like to enter but don't like this recent action & are turned away.
In any event, it's simply a test now to see who will lose patience first. I suspect most who accumulated millions of shares ea in the .02 range continue to hold and won't be shaken out. What's 8, 10 or 12+ more months if you've already held for 6 or more? Might just be projecting though.
Eventually we'll see retail short term traders find the ticker again en masse like in jan/feb OR the company will take action to support a more healthy sustained pps increase. O'Shea has said he's not looking at share price NOW... but that doesn't mean that he won't ever. At some point they'll be ready to look at uplisting and will need a concerted IR push to bring in the right kind of investors and get the stock to the levels required.
In the meantime I just continue to buy my weekly allotment no matter the price and lock as much of the float as possible. That and try to keep curating a record of events as they occur. Even though it's kind of fun to watch intraday shenanigans, really all of that is just noise.
The recent real estate & NFT news is linked in the intro. Also, I've curated & linked to some of the high points in a twitter thread here https://twitter.com/XeroeKC/status/1404135019778564105?s=20
Propy has also been doing a great job of professionally packaging a lot of this news on their blog here https://propy.com/blog/
Very STRONG movement... the NFT news is getting found in the mainstream
NEWSWIRE: Helio Lending (a CYIOS Corp. Subsidiary) and Propy Inc. Partner to Offer First Ever Crypto Loan Utilizing NFT Real Estate Asset as Collateral - Newsfile | 06/10/2021
https://www.newsfilecorp.com/release/87202/Helio-Lending-a-CYIOS-Corp.-Subsidiary-and-Propy-Inc.-Partner-to-Offer-First-Ever-Crypto-Loan-Utilizing-NFT-Real-Estate-Asset-as-Collateral